Nanny state censorship?

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The Home Office in the UK has recently announced plans to monitor e mails and social media communications. The present government state these measures are to combat terrorism and paedophiles. There are 60 million people in the UK at risk of their government spying on their internet use. Is this an invasion of our human right to privacy or are they justified in trying to protect people from two evils?

 
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E-mails need to be treated like normal mail. Without clear evidence there is no justification for opening someone else’s mail, not even if it is the government. There is now way that this law could get pushed through against the people’s will. It’s a clear violation of their privacy.
Btw. could you post a source on that? I’d like to read some more details on how they plan to do that and who originally suggested it.

 
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who originally suggested it.

Probably someone who has no idea how social media/the internet works.

 
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I think America is already doing this. They have managed to justify it through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security

 
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Yes.

I would absolutely be terrified if my mails are checked, my messages are read, and my conversations are saved, by people other than the ones I talk to.

 
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Well it can be fun to just create an program that automatically writes emails with certain treating content. Then create an email address and start sending emails to another fake email account. Then hold a contest with a friend by taking a look at the header and see who scores the most scans.

 
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There are 60 million people in the UK at risk of their government spying on their internet use.

We’ve carried that risk for some time now. The police etc. can already check your internet and phone use via your service provider without a warrant. They can easily check which sites you have visited or which numbers you have called. They still need a warrant to read your emails. The proposed bill is a somewhat misguided attempt to keep up to date with the rapidly changing way people use communications, and extend those powers to cover social networking, Skype etc. As with any proposal of this nature, it’s doomed to be out of date by the time it is passed into law.

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

who originally suggested it.

Probably someone who has no idea how social media/the internet works.

Spot on. Certainly someone hasn’t heard of proxy servers.

The government doesn’t have even a tiny fraction of the resources needed to monitor everyone’s internet and phone use. So you are only at risk of having your emails read if you are already a suspect. As usual, the civil liberties lobby is making a huge fuss over something I rather think they understand about as well as the government does.

 
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Originally posted by EPR89:
Btw. could you post a source on that? I’d like to read some more details on how they plan to do that and who originally suggested it.

Source 1

Source 2

The Bill

 
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I have to ditto jhco50
At least for the Americans on the thread, we already have the patriot act so theoretically the gov’t could be doing it to us as well. Our gov’t just doesn’t like to be as outright with our monitoring.

 
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At least continental Europe has responded with resounding “Hell no!” to that type of legislation.


To answer the question: I’d rather not have anyone snooping through my files, and I have no desire to disturb my government. However, if this legislation were to be passed, the relationship would have to form a two-way street. I should be able to see what my representative and Chancellor and president have to say about any topic whatsoever.

 
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At least continental Europe has responded with resounding “Hell no!” to that type of legislation.

Doesn’t look as if everybody was listening Or if you prefer it in English

 
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1. this isn’t censorship.

2. isn’t this merely a way to legalise what they’ve been doing for decades?

 
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The Us Goverment is already doing It, I Think The U.k Is also. Do i feel Comfortable Knowing that some one with veiws differrent From mine is Looking through My Files? No I Don’t. I can’t even Read About Nuclear Stuff on wikipedia! Why not? The goverment is always watching and will arrrest me If i Get Deep in how a Atom Bomb works.

 
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If you’re not doing anything wrong, then there’s nothing to be afraid of.
I don’t understand what the problem is.

 
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Well, quite. All governments do it. The proposed new legislation in ther UK is simply to update and include new types of media – Skype, Twitter etc.

Even if we attract the attention of the police by accident, having them looking at our porn collections private correspondence is, to my mind, a small price to pay for the security of knowing that we are less likely to get blown up by some politicaly misguided lunatic. Over here I see no more than a very noisy and very small minority making a fuss about it.

 
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Thanks, beauval, Happy, Bob, & Omega…for putting what I see as a “rational spin” on this issue.

Yeah, I don’t think anyone (as in us everyday, ordinary “small ppl”) want BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT watching our every move and plotting against us in what Mr. Paranoid (ppl like jhco) deems as a need for constant vigilance (through the sights of a gun) or we will soon//likely find ourselves in shackles.

We “little ppl” & our pathetically BORING lives ARE NOT what govt. is interested in in regards to this kind of surveillance. Such “prying eyes” is looking for “trends”//movements that would reflect POSSIBLE initial steps towards “trouble”.

This trouble is typically less some kind of malcontents trying to “rabble-rouse” the citizenry into some Coup d’état,,,,and more of two kinds of trouble. One: those radicals whose actual desire is to ATTACK (9-11) America. Two: Likely the very simple efforts of the Political “party-currently-in-control” wanting to know the trends on how their “policies” are working and what they need to do in order to stay “in power” so that their ideology will dominate.

While numbers One & Two appear—on the surface—to be quite different,,,are the really. The means certainly are different,,,,but, aren’t the goals similar?

Have we sooooo soon forgotten Edgar J. Hoover? He He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders,2 and to collect evidence using illegal methods.

Are we forgetting how businesses use our purchases (or even on-line “looking”)-whether linked to us personally or to its customer base as a whole—to have its “finger-on-our-pulses” in concerns regarding what they should do? Look at what goes on right here. Whatever a thread is talking about, advertising reflecting it is “popped up”.

Let’s say a “less-than-friendly” govt.//authoritarian group—using this surveillance info—decides to do a little “rounding-up-of-the-trouble-makers”. Take heart, jhco & his NRA are there to protect us….lol. This really isn’t funny. Help me out here, you Brits…wouldn’t this be something akin to what was (is?) happening in Ireland w/ the PIRA?

The really stooooopid part of what the NRA dosen’t “get” is how the govt. IS CONSTANTLY TRACKING the “gun nuts” who play “week-end warrior” w/ their strong gun power. The govt. knows who is “trouble” (David Koresh":http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2045.html) & who isn’t,,,,even the truly “minor” minions.

One “minion” is the Aryan Movement. These nut-wads do plenty of “hate-American” crap, have guns, etc. They are closely watched by the govt.,,,by the media,,,by most anyone who luvs to what the “circus”. BUT, have they & their efforts been “attacked” by the govt.?

I like what beauval said just above….it pretty well sums up what I’ve just said.

 
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Originally posted by HappyAlcoholic:

If you’re not doing anything wrong, then there’s nothing to be afraid of.
I don’t understand what the problem is.

Anything wrong, at the viewpoint of the governmant you mean.

You know what annoys me? How nobody gets what is going on in America. They used a pretty similar tactic during the Cold War, and they are using it now yet again, and that is: To use the threat of a outer enemy as a excuse to increase its control over the population. We already can be sent to prisons without having the right to a trial. We already have things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA floating above our heads. We are already submitted to pat downs in the airports. And now, we are giving the governmant the right to read our emails. There are plenty of emails that are not related to any criminal activities whatsoever that I wouldnt want my neightbour to read( For a example, details on my personal life ). Why would I want the governmant to read then? Tell me something, America: Where does it stop?

 
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If you think something’s private, take one for the team.

 
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Originally posted by HappyAlcoholic:

If you’re not doing anything wrong, then there’s nothing to be afraid of.
I don’t understand what the problem is.

You clearly don’t get it…