Close to discovering Higgs Boson

Pop some corks, everyone! CERN has discovered a new particle that has consistent properties to the theoretical Higgs Boson, also known as the God particle. (The particle has a mass between 125 and 126 gigaelectronvolts (GeV) and is at the level of 5 sigma.) It is the particle that gives all others their mass, and is the last piece of the puzzle of the Standard Model of matter, which explains all properties and interactions of matter, which includes dark (invisible) matter, which makes up 96% of all matter, and is “visible” matter’s counterpart in some ways. This find is said to be analogous to the discovery of DNA in 1953.

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I think this achievement, and the ultimate discovery of a true Higgs Boson will raise the sciences (especially physics) even further in the hierarchy of popular culture. Further, it should convince able governments (including the United States) to (re)fund (particle) physics research programmes. Whether the former occur, just like many discoveries in science, finding the Higgs Boson will launch a new field of research in physics.

The most obvious question is: Has the particle been discovered? CERN says that this year, it will decide whether the particle (and its sum characteristics) has been found, or whether it doesn’t exist. The latter decision doesn’t rule out a mass-forming particle, it simply nullifies one with the aforementioned properties.

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What implications does the discovery of the Higgs Boson have on science and popular culture? Moreover, will this rile up governments to further fund physics research? To those who are competent: Do you think CERN has found it?

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Journalistic source from the Sydney Morning Herald

Official press release from CERN

Spare me the detail and answer me this, does this mean we will be able to evolve into pure energy now?

Originally posted by Narrenburg:

Pop some corks, everyone! CERN has discovered a new particle that has consistent properties to the theoretical Higgs Boson, also known as the God particle. (The particle has a mass between 125 and 126 gigaelectronvolts (GeV) and is at the level of 5 sigma.) It is the particle that gives all others their mass, and is the last piece of the puzzle of the Standard Model of matter, which explains all properties and interactions of matter, which includes dark (invisible) matter, which makes up 96% of all matter, and is “visible” matter’s counterpart in some ways. This find is said to be analogous to the discovery of DNA in 1953.

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I think this achievement, and the ultimate discovery of a true Higgs Boson will raise the sciences (especially physics) even further in the hierarchy of popular culture. Further, it should convince able governments (including the United States) to (re)fund (particle) physics research programmes. Whether the former occur, just like many discoveries in science, finding the Higgs Boson will launch a new field of research in physics.

The most obvious question is: Has the particle been discovered? CERN says that this year, it will decide whether the particle (and its sum characteristics) has been found, or whether it doesn’t exist. The latter decision doesn’t rule out a mass-forming particle, it simply nullifies one with the aforementioned properties.

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What implications does the discovery of the Higgs Boson have on science and popular culture? Moreover, will this rile up governments to further fund physics research? To those who are competent: Do you think CERN has found it?

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Journalistic source from the Sydney Morning Herald

Official press release from CERN

Yes, I’m super excited about what CERN can discover soon!
I’m not quite sure as to what a Higgs Boson is – I had never gone into physics such as these, and heard of it vaguely only a few months ago.

And if we all pop a few corks, we’ll be too drunk to get anywhere. :)

Boring.

What would have truly been news is if we’d NOT found it.

Well, we didn’t find the Higgs boson. We found a boson with similar properties.

Originally posted by Narrenburg:

Well, we didn’t find the Higgs boson. We found a boson with similar properties.

The Higgs has been pretty much for all intents and purposes “confirmed”.

The chances of us actually finding the physical particle is very rare, since it’s theorized that there are at most only 5 in existence.

For people who don’t know what the Higgs Boson is.

If they didn’t find it, the standard model might have to been remodeled.

Does not this mean someone could use it to cause the universe to explode?

Originally posted by lSWATLLAMA:

The chances of us actually finding the physical particle is very rare, since it’s theorized that there are at most only 5 in existence.

I… What?

So finally we can claim that a God does actually exist! All hail and praise the God Particle!!!!

It’s very exciting times of course, because it pretty much confirms the standard model or at the very least puts it beyond “just a theory”, as in can be used to answer new questions or advance in technology.

Not that I’m an expert on the subject but as far as I know the standard model doesnt explain dark matter just yet, but I suspect (or hope, excitingly) that’s what they’re going to work on once they’ve become certain they found higgs boson.

As far as what the effects will be of this, I doubt they will be very dramatic, apart from the partying. There has been so much focus on the standard model far beyond just trying to prove/disprove it, that all it really does it make all the related scientists make a huge sigh of relief that they don’t have to throw it all away and start over (paradigm shift) and continue doing science as usual.

Same goes for technology, I doubt this sole discovery won’t poop out any fancy new sci-fi devices just yet. What I’m hoping for ofcourse, is that they get closer to understanding dark matter with this discovery, now that just reeks of technological evolution.

But if we’re going to dream, if they learn how to manipulate the higgs boson/higgs field, thats when it can get really scary. I can already smell hollywood budget sci-fi movies coming.

Until this news is more than just a theory, that’s it. Is there really any meaning behind this discussion? Just to let you know, the odds of it being true are low. The odds of dark matter, antimatter, and bent laws of gravity, etc all forming together to create a particle that explains everything seems unrealistic. Antimatter usually cumbusts when touching matter. For those of you who think it’s “already been confirmed” the handful of physicists who’ve even seen it have no more than caught a glimpse at best using a Large Hadron Converter. Remember, this is about an atom they believe makes non-mass based particles filled with mass. Assuming they are what Scientists claim: the answere to the universe, the ultimate creator of mass, they are ultimately afflicted with a new question none of you seem concerned with: where did these God Particles come from? Therefore, even if these particles did exactly what we thought they did, they wouldn’t. At least, they wouldn’t explain it all.

Furthermore, I’d be very happy if they were what we think they are, as it could lead to a new era of planetary construction and off Earth exploration, we might find the change between what happens to us after we commercialize the Higgs would have a similar appearance to what happens to the world when Electricity became commercialized.

Of course the very problem with this discussion is it’s all speculative and not many people know what it’s supposed to do. We can’t possibly guarantee this particle exists for a few reasons:

1 it turns massless into mass. How is this possible if no mass=nothing?
2 The observation tools have limits. Do you honestly think they’ve zoomed in on quite possibly the only higgs boson on the continent? Maybe the world? There are atoms EVERYWHERE. They just smashed particles together and were hoping for it. Also, remember it’s not even an atom. It’s a particle (sub-atomic). Which for now is assumed to be the only one we’ve ever seen with so many electrons.
3 Their existence is a total paradox. According to the theory, the big bang started with dense, massless matter that began in an infinitely small, non-mass egg, which exploded ONLY AFTER the Higgs Boson appeared, which is thus nothing more than saying they just magically appeared and forced stuff to have mass. How could a mass filled particle force its way into existence with the entire universe consisting of non-mass? The answer begs more questions. If matter cannot be created or destroyed, how can it both be there, waiting for a higgs, and then be filled with nothing?
4 They have yet to confirm its existence. Yes, they’ve said it seems right, but they have yet to say it’s more than circumstantial evidence in a long run of decades of research. What we have is a candle light of hope, and before I waste hope on something that doesn’t seem likely to be discovered so quickly, I need a bigger garuntee than, “… We think it’s the Higgs.”
5 All they say is it seems to be smaller than an atom and has an enormous amount of electrons. You know they never saw it force non-mass into mass.

So, yes, I suppose this might be a discussion based topic, but let’s not go further than “it’s only speculative.” Because even if it does everything we hope it does… we’d likely never see it commercialized or put to good use until long after our grandchildren are dead. We have very little control over atoms, let alone sub-atomic particles, nor could we even afford such a thing were a device to be made of them.

So if they find it think they can weponize it to crush tanks and ground airplanes while creating shields and weapons that can disintigrate anyting including black holes and…planets.

Originally posted by hitman8:

So if they find it think they can weponize it to crush tanks and ground airplanes while creating shields and weapons that can disintigrate anyting including black holes and…planets.

I’m sorry what?

Wait, did this thread suddenly turn into a sci-fi book idea and I just didn’t notice it?

It’s the God particle. Ergo, we can use it to be as Gods.

That’s how it works.

(As an aside, the name apparently comes from someone calling it “The Goddamn Particle.” But I have no idea how credible that is.)

Originally posted by Ketsy:

It’s the God particle. Ergo, we can use it to be as Gods.

That’s how it works.

(As an aside, the name apparently comes from someone calling it “The Goddamn Particle.” But I have no idea how credible that is.)

Tell me you’re trolling, right? Have you read anything about the particle or did you senselessly say that? You know, even if it was what you seem to think it was, there’d be no way to control it, let alone know where non-matter is. I went into it in my earlier post.

Originally posted by ted_Stevens:

Tell me you’re trolling, right?

Well if trolling=joking now, I guess.

Ted_Stevens, although I admit I don’t know much of the higgs boson/higgs field, you apparantly understand even less, if not nothing.

Yes I’m too lazy/apathic to go through and analyze your comment, and even less get into an argument with you about it, but

The odds of dark matter, antimatter, and bent laws of gravity, etc all forming together to create a particle that explains everything seems unrealistic.

No The odds of their data arent low because you find it unrealistic that it is "responsible for giving particles with mass its mass). To be honest, this sentence is illogical, if it even makes sense.

For those of you who think it’s “already been confirmed” the handful of physicists who’ve even seen it have no more than caught a glimpse at best using a Large Hadron Converter

It hasnt been confirmed, but there hasnt just been “a handful of scientists” who have seen it. All the related data to the discovery canbe found on the internet. I believe they made a 4hour presentation of the data. And the term “caught a glimpse of it” is just silly to use when you’re refering to the large hadron collider, which collides particles and near light speed and then gobbles up as much data as possible at that millionth part of a second time moment when the particles collide.

Remember, this is about an atom they believe makes non-mass based particles filled with mass.

No. This sentence doesnt make sense and shows that you do not understand the subject. If anything, it gives mass-based particles its mass, but that explanation is still ridiculously simplified.

assuming they are what Scientists claim: the answere to the universe, the ultimate creator of mass

No, that’s not what scientists say. That’s what radical atheists say so they have another imaginary rock to throw at theists.

1 it turns massless into mass. How is this possible if no mass=nothing?
2 The observation tools have limits. Do you honestly think they’ve zoomed in on quite possibly the only higgs boson on the continent? Maybe the world? There are atoms EVERYWHERE. They just smashed particles together and were hoping for it. Also, remember it’s not even an atom. It’s a particle (sub-atomic). Which for now is assumed to be the only one we’ve ever seen with so many electrons.
3 Their existence is a total paradox. According to the theory, the big bang started with dense, massless matter that began in an infinitely small, non-mass egg, which exploded ONLY AFTER the Higgs Boson appeared, which is thus nothing more than saying they just magically appeared and forced stuff to have mass. How could a mass filled particle force its way into existence with the entire universe consisting of non-mass? The answer begs more questions. If matter cannot be created or destroyed, how can it both be there, waiting for a higgs, and then be filled with nothing?
4 They have yet to confirm its existence. Yes, they’ve said it seems right, but they have yet to say it’s more than circumstantial evidence in a long run of decades of research. What we have is a candle light of hope, and before I waste hope on something that doesn’t seem likely to be discovered so quickly, I need a bigger garuntee than, “… We think it’s the Higgs.”
5 All they say is it seems to be smaller than an atom and has an enormous amount of electrons. You know they never saw it force non-mass into mass.
So, yes, I suppose this might be a discussion based topic, but let’s not go further than “it’s only speculative.” Because even if it does everything we hope it does… we’d likely never see it commercialized or put to good use until long after our grandchildren are dead. We have very little control over atoms, let alone sub-atomic particles, nor could we even afford such a thing were a device to be made of them.

And this is pretty much just something you pulled out of your ass. Cant even be arsed to explain how bullshit it is.

Until this news is more than just a theory, that’s it.

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Can people start learning what the concept of “theory” means now?

Basically they don’t give mass they are the part of other particles that is the mass.
They are difficult to observe because they are normally part of other particles. If you have an atom it’s made out of all sorts of objects electrons neutrons protons which are themselves made out of other particles. You have to do something to split these particles into the tiniest pieces in order to see them so there may be only a few of these particles at any time free of anything else but we can make them (with a very expensive piece of equipment).
The findings made by CERN are already being used while making new computers (we have transistors that are less then 40 atoms big).

Originally posted by thijser:
The findings made by CERN are already being used while making new computers (we have transistors that are less then 40 atoms big).

Sauce pls.

Hollandaise or béchamel?

This was rather interesting. Makes the 40 atom transistor look so last year!