Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. page 2

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Hmm… It seems that many posts in this thread have to do with attaining knowledge, and through schooling to boot… Not an enjoyable experience for most.

When I made the thread, I was thinking more of entertaining one’s self in the purest sense of the word. For example, could a life spent playing video games be construed as a worthy endeavour, so long as they enjoy themselves? What about watching movies? Chatting non-stop with friends? Having sex? Playing board games? Eating fine food?

What is the value of enjoyment itself, to you, independent of other considerations? Can a life spent enjoying one’s self be considered “worthwhile” by your definition? Does enjoyment’s value vary based on the activity? The variety of activities you pursue? If one person watches movies their whole life and another engages in every purely enjoyable activity under the sun, is one’s life less “wasted” than the other?

Finally, drugs are another interesting facet of the puzzle. Do drugs make a life less worthwhile by diminishing sober reality? Or do they make life more worthwhile by altering perception? How do they interact with your answers to the questions posed above?

 
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I would say enjoyment is everything, it is the purpose, it is the drive, it is all. The problem arises, to my opinion, in that we enjoy far too many things. Frequently many conflicting things. Things that can conflict immediately, things that conflict later, things that conflict out of ignorance, out of knowledge and so on and so on. I would say pleasure is everything, but few really know what they want, or how to get it. There is an artistry, a challenge in living a pleasant life.

I would suggest drugs a natural extension of a pleasurable life, but hardly mandatory. They come with their potential consequences, back to conflicting pleasures. I’ve all about renounced alcohol after a series of brutal hangovers, cost and consequence.

Even those stoics who suggest they are not chasing after pleasure, I believe in essence are and can be shown as such. There are pleasures in self denial, in haughty indignation, in being perceived as strong willed and powerful. It is merely a different idea of pleasure.

 
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You do not waste your own time

However, you may just waste that of other people

To waste something is to perform a given task for no profit and, at times, even lose pension

Yet subjective benefit justifies an act- regardless of initial intents: be they maligned malediction or rightful good

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:

Chemistry, not really my forte. However, I can create a variety of explosives, a handful of lethal gasses, and predict how a blaze will react depending on what materials it encounters – I fell in with kinda the wrong crowd in college. It is a heck of a lot of fun sometimes.

Physics – is regrettably one of the solid underpinnings of my profession. It gets in the way more often than not, but that’s what refinement is for,.

Biology – again, one of the underpinnings. I use that every day.

French – I’m not that great at french, but I know enough to get by when I’m working in French territory – which has happened a time or twelve.

German – a smattering of words only. Really not enough to get by on, and I’ll have to do another course on that at some point.

Psychology – Use it quite often in diagnosing how the problem has affected the patient, and what needs to be addressed. Use it all the time n dealing with coworkers and bosses.

History – as they say, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Knowing what has been attempted before, by whom, and how it worked out is a cornerstone of any well-rounded persona. That has served me well throughout the years.

About the most useless one was Shop. I cannot hammer a nail in straight to save my life. But even there, with a little guidance, and a lot of encouragement, I’m helping to renovate the disability access routes around my home. The ramps we’ve finished even look servicable.

Everything has a use. It is far better to be over-prepared than to be unprepared.

you know i have to respond right?

Chemistry: so you had some fun doing illegal things. doesn’t seem fruitful.

Physics: well the basics seems important, other than that it’s quite a specialisation. shouldn’t it be much better for people to learn how to grow their own food? or how the global economy works?

Biology: understanding your own body seems quite imporant. you have to be able to look after your own health don’t you? other than that its borders with Geometry are ill-defined, and it’s really not very relevant.

languages: by god should Americans learn a foreign language. speaking two languages really opens up the mind. without it, you will never realise the arbirarity of syntax, and your mind will never be truly open to other cultural persectives.
but beyond one foreign language…well basics in other languages can be nice – they may become a lifesaver at some point. but other than that screw it.

Psychology: i would murder for that to be introduced to our curriculum, but unfortunately there is no Psychology in our schools. the one interesting and probably fruitful subject… :/

History: they don’t teach you fuck at History, not over here. they only teach you names and dates, and only names and dates of one particular historical line leading up to the Western culture, and only of those periods in which the Western societies were dominant.
it should be renamed to modern era politicology, because that’s what it is. it doesn’t deal with paradigm shifts, with how technologic understanding or ability progresses, development of intellectual ideas… it just gives dates and names without a context to them. it’s completely and utterly useless.
and it completely passes over Persia, Ottomans, Islamic caliphates and a whole bunch more. it’s pure and uncamouflaged propoganda, and the only reason people don’t take it in as propoganda is because we don’t have any outside reference, because school has a monopoly on truth and teaching, challenged only by church.
(they don’t even teach us about the Holy Roman Empire over here, which is the freaking origin of our country. that would be like American schools not teaching about British colonies)

Geometry: what the fuck IS Geometry? it’s a miscelaneous group of subjects with no connection. and don’t bullshit me with “earth-related studies”. ecology should be a part of biology, as should tactonics. culturology should be merged with history. sociology fits in with psychology and anthropology and maybe philosophy.

Economy: should be about Economy, not Business. all they teach you at Economy is skills you need when you run a business. it’s completely and utterly a specialisation.

school = bullshit. complete waste of time.

 
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History: they don’t teach you fuck at History, not over here. they only teach you names and dates, and only names and dates of one particular historical line leading up to the Western culture, and only of those periods in which the Western societies were dominant.
it should be renamed to modern era politicology, because that’s what it is. it doesn’t deal with paradigm shifts, with how technologic understanding or ability progresses, development of intellectual ideas… it just gives dates and names without a context to them. it’s completely and utterly useless.
and it completely passes over Persia, Ottomans, Islamic caliphates and a whole bunch more. it’s pure and uncamouflaged propoganda, and the only reason people don’t take it in as propoganda is because we don’t have any outside reference, because school has a monopoly on truth and teaching, challenged only by church.
(they don’t even teach us about the Holy Roman Empire over here, which is the freaking origin of our country. that would be like American schools not teaching about British colonies)

My point exactly and clearly, finally.
Gotta go.

 
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Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

you know i have to respond right?

Chemistry: so you had some fun doing illegal things. doesn’t seem fruitful.

I can defend myself without resorting to guns, and I can take out a large tree root without having to break my back digging it up. This does come in handy.

Physics: well the basics seems important, other than that it’s quite a specialisation. shouldn’t it be much better for people to learn how to grow their own food? or how the global economy works?

The last two are different subjects, but yes a basic understanding of physics is essential for everyone,really. So you understand how the world works. That’s all high school covers; the basics. College and university cover so much more.

Biology: understanding your own body seems quite imporant. you have to be able to look after your own health don’t you? other than that its borders with Geometry are ill-defined, and it’s really not very relevant.

Especially considering geometry is a math discipline, yes. Biology and all its implications are again essential study.

languages: by god should Americans learn a foreign language. speaking two languages really opens up the mind. without it, you will never realise the arbirarity of syntax, and your mind will never be truly open to other cultural persectives.
but beyond one foreign language…well basics in other languages can be nice – they may become a lifesaver at some point. but other than that screw it.

Growing up, I learnt three different languages, which should be enough: Scots, American, and English. However, I’ve worked in France. So some basic French has been handy. Yes, the people I’ve worked with spoke English, but you try finding a restaurant where the maitre de speaks good English, especially in Brest.

Psychology: i would murder for that to be introduced to our curriculum, but unfortunately there is no Psychology in our schools. the one interesting and probably fruitful subject… :/

Psychology starts at college level. It is quite an in-depth subject so it makes sense to make it elective after the students have proven they can actually study.

History: they don’t teach you fuck at History, not over here. they only teach you names and dates, and only names and dates of one particular historical line leading up to the Western culture, and only of those periods in which the Western societies were dominant.

Yes, having studied history on both sides of the pond, it is quite..interesting… how the facts used in the states don’t always align with the facts taught elsewhere.

Geometry: what the fuck IS Geometry? it’s a miscelaneous group of subjects with no connection. and don’t bullshit me with “earth-related studies”. ecology should be a part of biology, as should tactonics. culturology should be merged with history. sociology fits in with psychology and anthropology and maybe philosophy.

Geometry is the study of shapes in math. What you are referring to is a political ‘feel-good’ effort. I cannot remember what it was called in my schooling days, but we did have it. I tended to spend those sessions in a different room to the rest of the class. Usually the library. Might as well get some actual work done, whilst that lot does sod all.

EDIT: Tactonics is not related to biology. It is related to geography, and geology.

Economy: should be about Economy, not Business. all they teach you at Economy is skills you need when you run a business. it’s completely and utterly a specialisation.

Yup.

I was lucky at school, we didn’t have a ‘computing’ subject, but we had a very bored teacher whose subject speciality was computing, and they had him teaching shop. So he’d give a small group of us lessons in computing after school. My very first DOOM LAN party was there, as one of the classes. Was educational too, taught us Mr Brown was a complete lunatic with a plasma rifle, oh and a lot about networking and connectivity as well :P