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Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

I’m not going to quote that mess you call a post so I will just answer you.

Well, for awhile…YOU couldn’t even use a “broken-apart” quote function….lol.
Maybe ya still can’t.
BUT, more likely….ya just wouldn’t be able to make good DIRECT arguments to specific points I make….SO, ya just redial up bullshit rant #37 about how socialism is evil and YOU are the only person in the world to know this.

I don’t care about your explanation of the risks involved in whatever surgery you had.

Nor do I give a shit about yours.
SO. Why did ya even bring up YOURS?
OH,,,,that’s right.
This is what YOU so luv to do.
Shuck & jive.

I have gone through surgeries myself and yes my doctor told me I had a 50/50 chance of not making it out of surgery.

And the winner was……

Insurance companies make a bet with you that you will never get sick and you make a bet with them you will. That is just a simple explanation for you so you can understand it.

Well….I’m well aware that the simple expanation is the one YOU are able to make.
All others certainly seem to elude ya,,,,since YOU weren’t even able to address how this bet MADE AMONG THE ENTIRE POOL OF INSURED actual IS socialism at its very nature.
Is THAT “simple” enough for ya?

It isn’t socialism as it is an elective to buy or not.

Boy, can YOU ever twist sense & sensibility to your own distorted ends.
It’s interesting (and fun to watch) how ya do this…..lol

BTW, Walmart insurance just shot up 39% because of Obamacare.

Source?
AND, a lot of ppl’s insurance goes up EVERY YEAR.
THAT is one of the problems that “Obamacare” will remedy.
OH, one of the other ones is: A WHOLE LOT OF PPL WILL ACTUALLY HAVE HEALTH CARE.

Our insurance paid about 3/4ths of my hospital bill and I paid the rest.

My hospital bill was $493,573.94. Do YOU want to pay 3/4 of THAT?
Many ppl couldn’t.
Many ppl couldn’t pay whatever amount YOU say ya did.
So, are we to just let them die and/or suffer?
C’mon, jako-o…THAT is what is at the heart of this discussion… simple humanity.
Regardless of what name it goes by (Obamacare, AHA, blah),,,it simply boils down to human decency.
Regardless of how inefficiently it is INITIALLY established,,,,it is a good thing for America to do. Esp. since we sooooooo lag other modern nations. Maybe YOUR “great America” can actually do a little of this thing YOU are so proud of and roll up its sleeves and put some effort into DOING THE RIGHT THING….eh?

I did not ask for a handout from the government or demand you pay for my surgery.

YOU made a specifice “demand” when YOU “signed (a contract) on” for your insurance policy. This inference of a demand that I pay is just more of your ridiculous bullshit ya use to distort the mechanisms of the issues being discussed.

That is the difference between us, I take responsibility for myself and you want me to take the responsibility for your problems. Socialism?

NO.
The real difference is that one of us ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS the issue…
and the other one has his head so well implanted up his ass inorder to NOT allow one shread of truth or enlightenment reach it.

I find it ludicrous how YOU daily function in a socialistic society,,,,
yet aren’t able to see it for what it is.
I, also, find it to be extremely entertaining to watch how YOU make such silly efforts to deny it.

You have explained the socialism you wish people to believe before.

Well….yes & no.
BUT, what is interesting is that YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY MADE even an attempt to explain YOUR “socialism” which ya so rail against….even under extreme “fire” from many for a long while to do so. What YOU do do is the simple “one-step” program of just BITCH about some obscure “evil”.

To me you are just trying to water it down so you don’t get the reputation you deserve for helping to destroy our country with your foolhardiness.

Absolutely right….TO YOU
AND, no amount of facts, data, discussion is going to dissuade ya, obviously, from such “thinking”. Most of us here on the forum already know this……all too well. LOL

Socialism, no matter what watered down variety you use is still socialism.

And, YOUR bullshit,,no matter how well marinated w/ utterly insane rational,, is still just bullshit that won’t fly.

Stick that in your pot pipe and smoke it

LOL…I’m most happy to do so.
As are Coloradoans and other states that now (or will soon have) legal recreational pot which will force the hand of the Fed to decriminalize it also. Now, lookie here. YOUR precious state’s rights at work AGAINST that evil Federal govt. LOL

I’m sure you could claim communism and Marxism comes in many forms as well, but let’s keep it simple and to the point.

Actually…ya’re right.
You ARE SURE about a lot of thing.
Also, YOU are just as “wrong” about a lot of things.
AND, just an FYI….APPLICATION OF INTERPRETATION of communism & Marxism most certainly does come in many forms.

You are a socialist, pure and simple.

Tell me,,,what definition are ya using here?
YOURS?
Okay,,,fine.
Whatever.
That means absolutely NOTHING.
Hell, even piglatin is understandable once the parameters are established.
YOUR “distorted” views on issues discussed here are typically NEVER given much in the way of meaningful parameters…..just a lot of angst-filled, knee-jerk rhetoric.

The problem we have is I look at things logically and you look at them as a fool.

Either YOU are as thick as a brick and don’t know how to write so that ya don’t cross the posting guidelines drawn by Kong resulting in getting your posts removed…..
OR, ya do it on purpose and actually mean to insult the person rather than the idea.

Actually, the way YOU have phrased it….ya’re saying that YOU look at things in a logical way (logicallly = adverb) and that I look at them as being fools (a noun).

Maybe ya should have said: The problem we have is that I look at things logically and you look at them foolishly. It saves ya from likely having your WHOLE post removed cuz ya said I was a fool. NOW, wouldn’t that be rather foolish? LOL

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by softest_voice:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Gun sales is up 400% again.

If true, it’s because paranoid gun owners, who have zero reason to think anything will happen, are all running scared and buying all the hardware they can get their ignorant, crazy hands on.
You know who likes it when gun owners get paranoid?
Gun manufacturers.

A bunch of stupid hicks are freaking out, and soon I won’t be able to afford going to the range, due to spiked demand and prices for ammo.

Producers are laughing all the way to the bank while these idiots scramble around, thinking a President that has already expanded gun rights is now going to 180 and come after your guns.

Morons.

/completelyunrelatedtotopic

So you are suggesting all gun owners are stupid hicks?

NO…he ISN’T.
This is an area YOU really, REALLY—obviously—have a serious problem with.
I think it’s a lot like Latinos who “can’t speak English”.
They “speak it” when it serves their purpose.

BUT, back to YOU.
There is a huge difference between saying that ALL gun owners are stupid hicks.
OR, that even a portion of them (large or small) are and it is they who are also causing this spike in firearms sales.

He IS SAYING that those who fall for MARKETING CRAP are behaving in a foolish, stupid-hick manner. This can be applied to a whoooooole lot of ppl doing “buying into” a whoooole lot of things. After all…"tis the season.

I would suggest liberals are ignorant fools.

NO.
Ya needn’t “suggest” it….
Ya usually just blurt it out…
lol

Doesn’t that kind of parallel your thinking?

Well,,, yes & no.
It does IN YOUR MIND.
BUT, it doesn’t in reality,,,
cuz that isn’t what softest_voice said.

Those who don’t want socialism are hicks while those who do are intelligent beings?

Well…when YOU twist words to your own advantage,,,one might have an inkling of how YOUR “mind” operates.
BUT, if we want to twist words//concepts…let’s do this: Those who don’t understand that they ACTUALLY DO LIVE IN A SOCIALISTIC SOCIETY already most certainly DO DISPLAY some “deficiency” of some order. I guess we could ignorantly call it: being hicks.

AND, yes…most “intelligent” ppl do understand that socialism is quite an effective method of managing a very large populace.

Why is it all you people can do is call others names?

LOL
Pot~kettle~black.

Are you afraid those hicks may rise up and come after you liberals? Well, they might so be afraid and call them names. I’m sure that will make them think twice about coming after you.

There ya go again.
Making these veiled threats….of gun use.
This is why I’ve said that is scares the shit outta me when ppl who are of this mentaility are granted permission to carry//own firearms.
Just to be clear…I’m gonna say ya meant to say: “Are you afraid those hicks may rise up and come after you liberals? Well, they might. So, be afraid if you call them names. I’m sure calling them names will make them think twice about coming after you.”

Now, that last senctence could be taken (at least?) two ways:
1) That nutty-gunners actually ARE afraid of names and will give second thought about going up against a fiesty “name-calling” liberal while armed only w/ a firearm.
2) That the very act of calling nutty-gunners names will cause them to gives serious second (and maybe, THIRD?) thoughts about ethnic cleansing of the evil liberals.

Seriously, why is it liberals cannot have a discussion without calling names?

Probably the same reason the “conservatives” aren’t….and even fail more miserably in their efforts. LOL
 
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Moved to the gun thread, where it belongs.
I don’t think veiled threats of “revolution” have anything to do with this.

 
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softest, he’s been doing this for quite some time now.
For about as long I’ve been holding his feet to the fire,,,hoping he would further define this “revolution” of his. I’ve even build a huge fire of concern that were it to be of a more violent nature (guns & killing) w/ the NRA having a much greater advantage than peace-loving lefties wielding flower power

Yet, jake-o has remained mute and appears to luv revelling in the ambiguity of his “predictions” on this.

I don’t think he quite sees the revolution as other are….at least the start of it.
The cause he sees can well be the start.
But, he sees it as being the “overly taxed” middle class going after those free loaders on welfare and bloated govt. in general.

Yes, “poor ppl” just might (as in being the initial CAUSE) give up and just fail to simply be the “working poor” any longer. jake-o so luvs to rail against the lack of responsibility of this “poor” for taking care of themselves. I wonder how our society would fare were they to actually stop working and become the problem of a caring society?

Would we simply lure them into bread lines and use those lines for firing squads….or maybe spike the kool-aid? I wonder why jake-o hints at “there will be blood running in the streets” if his precious middle class is further taxed…mostly for providing health care for the huge lower classes. Which, btw, includes (at least in the area of health care) now includes a lot of the middles classes. Yes, the tax burden is carried hugely by the middle class. YET, oddly enough, they still don’t want the uppers classes (esp. huge corps.) to kick in their FAIR SHARE in providing for the general welfare of our society.

Hell, maybe we would have to call in a really large number of “illegals” to support the upper classes in the style to which that are accustomed by this cadre of working poor. I wonder what would the outcome be were this working poor workforce to unionize and demand wages and benefits just like any other group of employed workers? I wonder what we would do w/ the “illegals” brought in to replace the “striking” poor.

Also, maybe these steps towards elevation of their economic status in our society would be the start of a revolution that is, in actuality, only a long overdue EVOLUTION of socio-economic fairness. I know vika has already pointed out that this slower concept of “economic-correction” is what typically happens in a society that has at least 9 brain cells. She has a “meter” that can actually count them. 0¿~

 
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Originally posted by softest_voice:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Gun sales is up 400% again.

If true, it’s because paranoid gun owners, who have zero reason to think anything will happen, are all running scared and buying all the hardware they can get their ignorant, crazy hands on.
You know who likes it when gun owners get paranoid?
Gun manufacturers.

A bunch of stupid hicks are freaking out, and soon I won’t be able to afford going to the range, due to spiked demand and prices for ammo.

Producers are laughing all the way to the bank while these idiots scramble around, thinking a President that has already expanded gun rights is now going to 180 and come after your guns.

Morons.

/completelyunrelatedtotopic

I find the price of gold/the current stock market situation to be a more accurate measurement of paranoia. I feel that it also shows if people actually have something to worry about.
http://www.anglofareast.com/wp-content/uploads/gold-price-daily-2006-2012.jpg
I really hate how they truncated the y-axis though…

NOTE: Not trying to argue with this point…just thought you might be interested.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

softest, he’s been doing this for quite some time now.
For about as long I’ve been holding his feet to the fire,,,hoping he would further define this “revolution” of his. I’ve even build a huge fire of concern that were it to be of a more violent nature (guns & killing) w/ the NRA having a much greater advantage than peace-loving lefties wielding flower power

*Yet, jake-o has remained mute and appears to luv revelling in the ambiguity of his “predictions” on this.

I don’t think he quite sees the revolution as other are….at least the start of it.
The cause he sees can well be the start.
But, he sees it as being the “overly taxed” middle class going after those free loaders on welfare and bloated govt. in general.

Yes, “poor ppl” just might (as in being the initial CAUSE) give up and just fail to simply be the “working poor” any longer. jake-o so luvs to rail against the lack of responsibility of this “poor” for taking care of themselves. I wonder how our society would fare were they to actually stop working and become the problem of a caring society?

Would we simply lure them into bread lines and use those lines for firing squads….or maybe spike the kool-aid? I wonder why jake-o hints at “there will be blood running in the streets” if his precious middle class is further taxed…mostly for providing health care for the huge lower classes. Which, btw, includes (at least in the area of health care) now includes a lot of the middles classes. Yes, the tax burden is carried hugely by the middle class. YET, oddly enough, they still don’t want the uppers classes (esp. huge corps.) to kick in their FAIR SHARE in providing for the general welfare of our society.

Hell, maybe we would have to call in a really large number of “illegals” to support the upper classes in the style to which that are accustomed by this cadre of working poor. I wonder what would the outcome be were this working poor workforce to unionize and demand wages and benefits just like any other group of employed workers? I wonder what we would do w/ the “illegals” brought in to replace the “striking” poor.

Also, maybe these steps towards elevation of their economic status in our society would be the start of a revolution that is, in actuality, only a long overdue EVOLUTION of socio-economic fairness.* I know vika has already pointed out that this slower concept of “economic-correction” is what typically happens in a society that has at least 9 brain cells. She has a “meter” that can actually count them. 0¿~

Seriously…can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell what in the name of Christ you’re talking about, and where you’re getting this information from? I have been DYING to know for so long now.

 
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Well, to be fair, he has a lot of (out of context) pictures, much like his recent post in the guns thread.

Aside from that, though, it looks like a lot of baseless speculations about the paramilitary role of the NRA, and sniping at jhcos worries about a tea-party style revolution (by offering equally vague and ludicrous counter-predictions).

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Well, to be fair, he has a lot of (out of context) pictures, much like his recent post in the guns thread.

Aside from that, though, it looks like a lot of baseless speculations about the paramilitary role of the NRA, and sniping at jhcos worries about a tea-party style revolution (by offering equally vague and ludicrous counter-predictions).

Oh. Thank Jesus.
God bless you, Janton. My soul can rest easy now lol.

 
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Weren’t we discussing healthcare? I know we haven’t been for the past page and a half, but still…

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Our insurance paid about 3/4ths of my hospital bill and I paid the rest.

My hospital bill was $493,573.94. Do YOU want to pay 3/4 of THAT?

Well technically it would be 1/4 of that (since the insurance paid 3/4), but I see what you are saying….1/4 of that is what? Over $123,000? I can see how that would be difficult to pay.

 
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Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Our insurance paid about 3/4ths of my hospital bill and I paid the rest.

My hospital bill was $493,573.94. Do YOU want to pay 3/4 of THAT?

Well technically it would be 1/4 of that (since the insurance paid 3/4), but I see what you are saying….1/4 of that is what? Over $123,000? I can see how that would be difficult to pay.

Instead of determining who is going to pay that much money for the hopsital visit, the real question, which should be obvious, is why health care costs so much. Here is a great source ( http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/why-does-health-care-cost-so-much/ ), that cites two economists, one liberal, and one conservative. The only thing they both agree on is that Obamcare will NOT fix the cost problem, which is the real problem.

 
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That does seem like a pretty solid source. If I could guess at why healthcare costs so damn much—because it’s really insane and scary, these prices—I would say that it’s because rules and regulations have evolved over the years to cause two things:

(a) Dr’s and nurses need much more training for more advanced procedures than they used to
(b) Now that lawsuits are a very real possibility, medical professions pretty much need to carry and maintain costly malpractice insurance

My dad went in a year ago for open heart surgery and after the surgery and the nursing care, the total cost was around $2 million. Like I said, insane.

 
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Actually, the training received is comparable to other countries. Malpractice lawsuits account for 2% of the spending on healthcare in the US. The problem is that people, like your dad, will pay 2 million for heart surgery, or 2 billion, or 2 trillion. Life is priceless to the individual. There is no consistent pricing on healthcare, and care providers can demand as much as they want, often fraudulently, and insurance will pay. There are three ways to go about addressing this unlimited bill with no oversight problem:

1) Government regulation. There are benefits and drawbacks to this plan. The benefit is it guarantees that healthcare industries will not charge too much. The drawbacks is that it hinders growth in the industry, as well as encourages monopolies, government over regulation, and we have to pay government to make sure we aren’t being charged to much, which is like buying a smaller bill.

2) Deregulation. There are benefits and drawbacks to this plan. The benefit is that it encourages health insurance competitors to enter the ring. It’ll make it more likely that the health care industry will have to deal with many smaller insurance providers, and instead of negotiating large contract prices with a few major providers, the industry will have to come up with set pricing that is palatable to large numbers of companies. That would, in effect, force the health providers be more competitive in their pricing. It would break up monopolies, and encourage preventative medicine practitioners. The drawback, is that with various small insurance providers, you have the chance of bankruptcy within them. The nice thing is, with more competitors always entering the field, they are ready to buy those contracts off of bankruptcy sales.

3) Subsidization aka, nationalized healthcare. This has it’s drawbacks, with it’s one obvious redeeming quality. The benefit is, anyone that needs healthcare can walk in any place and get it without fear of a bill. The major major major drawback is, it pays costs inflation. It gives no incentive to practice quality, nor lower prices. The bill is always paid, no matter how much. Why not run every test in the book? It’s wasteful, and expensive. True, many economies are able to burden the costs, and effectively provide this service. But, it isn’t necessary to have such a leech on society.

My opinion is, diversify the insurance industry to drive down costs, by breaking up monopolies. Couple that with a set limit to pricing set by law. Deregulate actual practice, and let the market decide what services cost based on providers and customer needs.

This isn’t rocket science.

 
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Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Our insurance paid about 3/4ths of my hospital bill and I paid the rest.

My hospital bill was $493,573.94. Do YOU want to pay 3/4 of THAT?

Well technically it would be 1/4 of that (since the insurance paid 3/4), but I see what you are saying….1/4 of that is what? Over $123,000? I can see how that would be difficult to pay.

Yeah…my math was “fuzzy”.
And, for a routine OHS…$2,ooo,ooo is outrageous.
BUT, ya know what?
Likely it is because the hospital has to charge that much for “paying” customers in order to cover those who don’t pay yet have to receive care.

This is what I’ve been trying to get across to jake-o: WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR HEALTH CARE for those who don’t have insurance.

THEY DO HAVE IT: IT IS CALLED OURS
A comprehensive health care plan that did a much, MUCH, MUCH better job at doing it for a helluva lot less would be a most wondrous thing.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:Likely it is because the hospital has to charge that much for “paying” customers in order to cover those who don’t pay yet have to receive care.

Insured customers pay for the care that uninsured customers receive. That is wrong. But, making everyone pay for everyone else’s care is right? Why don’t we just address the costs and make healthcare affordable?

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Yeah…my math was “fuzzy”.
And, for a routine OHS…$2,ooo,ooo is outrageous.

California’s outrageous. That’s my take on it, anyway. If I ever thought when I lived there that we paid more money for a lower quality of life, this proved it. Don’t get me wrong—they did a great job with Dad’s heart—but 2 mill total? I think a family member of mine got his done in Colorado for 100K or something. Dad told me that each surgeon who worked on his heart (there were two) collected 250K that morning. They were good, but perhaps like MyTie said…they can charge whatever. Maybe there needs to be some regulation on that so everyday HMO’s stop being predatory to potential clients and taking them to the cleaners.

 
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Twilight, it’s a bit late for your dad, but this is a bit of an eye opener about how to get the job done at a tiny percentage of his cost. I know the article is seven years old, but even so it’s quite clear that someone in the US is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment.

 
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Co-worker of mine got his hip replaced in India. Now he gets to have the hip replacement taken out, and replaced, because it is crap. Instead of walking, he hobbles around like his hips are fused together.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

Twilight, it’s a bit late for your dad, but this is a bit of an eye opener about how to get the job done at a tiny percentage of his cost. I know the article is seven years old, but even so it’s quite clear that someone in the US is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment.

Someone is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment because some people in the US dont spend their whole adult lives partying or playing video games or involved with drugs. Instead they pay a tremendous amount of money and even more amount of time studying and learning. You are probably ticked off that these doctors dont make $10 an hour. Believe it or not some professions take determination and time. If we Americans wanted cheaper health care then we Americans as a collective whole should start spending more time investing in ourselves.

 
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Why would I be ticked off about doctors earning a salary which reflects their dedication? And that still doesn’t explain a 2 million dollar bill for heart surgery.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

Why would I be ticked off about doctors earning a salary which reflects their dedication? And that still doesn’t explain a 2 million dollar bill for heart surgery.

Shoulda checked groupon first

 
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Originally posted by pacaholic:
Originally posted by beauval:

Twilight, it’s a bit late for your dad, but this is a bit of an eye opener about how to get the job done at a tiny percentage of his cost. I know the article is seven years old, but even so it’s quite clear that someone in the US is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment.

Someone is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment because some people in the US dont spend their whole adult lives partying or playing video games or involved with drugs. Instead they pay a tremendous amount of money and even more amount of time studying and learning. You are probably ticked off that these doctors dont make $10 an hour. Believe it or not some professions take determination and time. If we Americans wanted cheaper health care then we Americans as a collective whole should start spending more time investing in ourselves.

This is a myth. Americans consume less alcohol and smoke than many other first world nations, and spend very little on healthcare that could be related to obesity, and much more on other stuff, like incidentals and prevention. Yet, Americans spend more than twice as much as any other nation on the same treatment. While I’m not saying that obesity, alcohol, and drugs are not contributing factors to our healthcare costs, this simply isn’t the prevailing issue. The issue rests in the unique subsidization relationship that government has with healthcare insurers, as well as corruption and waste in the provider industry.

Sources:
http://reforminghealth.org/2012/02/28/obesity-fact-vs-fiction/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/22/alcohol-obesity-and-smoking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

Twilight, it’s a bit late for your dad, but this is a bit of an eye opener about how to get the job done at a tiny percentage of his cost. I know the article is seven years old, but even so it’s quite clear that someone in the US is making a great deal of profit on medical treatment.

Flew to India? My goodness. I know what you’re saying though; I have heard of people getting elective surgeries for a fraction of the cost by going to a physician they know across the border, like to Mexico.

A few things about Dad—he had been having pains for a while and went into his PCP in CA who hooked him up to an electrocardiogram. When she saw how bad the readings were she told him to sit still and called an ambulance—he was taken straight to the nearest hospital pending surgery.

He has had two twenty year jobs, both with excellence insurance that provide him full HMO coverage. Not even a co-pay for him. The thing that worries me about that $2 million—someone was getting seriously screwed by the cost, even if it wasn’t him.

Originally posted by pacaholic:
You are probably ticked off that these doctors dont make $10 an hour. Believe it or not some professions take determination and time. If we Americans wanted cheaper health care then we Americans as a collective whole should start spending more time investing in ourselves.

Not quite, pac. It’s not that black and white. I’m not ticked at all Dr’s aren’t making $10/hr, or we wouldn’t have Dr’s. What I am a little aghast about is that they are making $200,000/hr, rather than something more reasonable like $50,000/hr. I’m pulling these figures out of my ass, but you get the point, don’t you? The fact that there is a disparity of millions of dollars between different states in the union, even if the quality of procedure is the same? Something is going on there, and it smacks of greed.

 
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Originally posted by MyTie:

3) Subsidization aka, nationalized healthcare. This has it’s drawbacks, with it’s one obvious redeeming quality. The benefit is, anyone that needs healthcare can walk in any place and get it without fear of a bill. The major major major drawback is, it pays costs inflation. It gives no incentive to practice quality, nor lower prices. The bill is always paid, no matter how much. Why not run every test in the book? It’s wasteful, and expensive. True, many economies are able to burden the costs, and effectively provide this service.

You know I’m going to call bullshit on this, don’t you?

We only run as many tests as are necessary to find out what is wrong. Every test we ask for, costs the department money from our annual budget. When that money is gone, it is gone – no more patients can be attended to.

Pretty much every nationalised healthcare system works this way, with trusts set up to oversee a given area, deciding which treatments they will and will not pay for, as well as how much money each department in local healthcare gets. Its much the same as any business – once the money is allocated, that’s the end of the story. No more coming until next financial year.

So no, its not a case of shipping in rubinium specially, for funzies, and ‘lets see what the new MRI machine can do’, it is very much still a case of only sending patients for necessary diagnosis, so we can work out what we need to fix.

The bill is always paid, no matter how much.

The cost of treatment is worked out in advance, and part of the referral process is to run it by the departmental management to see if we actually can afford to do this. That’s part of why referrals take a little while.