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Originally posted by jhco50:

Because our government is no longer trustworthy. They are supposed to represent the people and they don’t.

So if the people voted to restrict guns heavily and the government changed the constitution accordingly, you would be totally fine with that?

 
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Of course he would not.

He would assume that the voting machines had been compromised, and the government was lying when it said the majority of Americans voted for that. Leaving him with no option but violence in retribution against those evil bastards in power.

On the other hand, if the people voted overwhelmingly to lift any and all restrictions on armaments owned by citizens, and the government enacted that, he would not assume any tampering had taken place, or that the vote was rigged in any way. Instead the government was finally telling the truth and doing what was right.

 
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The issue of gun control would never reach the people for a vote. A majority of the citizens believe in less gun control. Here is just one instance of a response to new legislation.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/1/calls-from-gun-owners-overwhelm-the-illinois-state-house-%96-legislators-back-down-from-vote-on-semiautomatic-firearms-and-magazine-ban-for-now.aspx

 
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Originally posted by ColtArmy:

The issue of gun control would never reach the people for a vote. A majority of the citizens believe in less gun control.

Just leaving this here.

 
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Originally posted by ColtArmy:
Here is just one instance of a response to new legislation.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/1/calls-from-gun-owners-overwhelm-the-illinois-state-house-%96-legislators-back-down-from-vote-on-semiautomatic-firearms-and-magazine-ban-for-now.aspx

Well ignoring that it's the NRA and extremely one-sided, I would like to see some actual numbers, like how many people supported/fought against the bill, and possibly even how many more are being shot down or brought up.
 
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I don’t see a “core problem” necessarily getting solved, just abilities being gained.

Also, I don’t think you fully understood what he was trying to ask.

Perhaps I misunderstood, but people inherently have the desire to feel safe. Owning a gun satisfies that desire. Perhaps it’s not a ‘core problem’ but it is a fundamental desire people feel and a firearm is how many choose to satisfy it.

 
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Originally posted by issendorf:

Perhaps I misunderstood, but people inherently have the desire to feel safe. Owning a gun satisfies that desire. Perhaps it’s not a ‘core problem’ but it is a fundamental desire people feel and a firearm is how many choose to satisfy it.

issen, from what I’m gathering about this issue from discussion ON this forum & in RL, it really isn’t this “entry-level” of gun ownership/use that is continuous (at least among rational ppl). It is the “other areas” involving the “guns-in-America” which are the focus of the contest ATM.

OR, in other words….we’re right back to: There is very little sensible push for BANNING of guns….just some kinds of better REGULATIONS that will target (<— pun) the real issues of the extreme ABUSES that so catch the attention of the public at large.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

I’m sensing you don’t like him much.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

I’m sensing you don’t like him much.

Da boy certainly does have “issues”…
hell, ya might even say has a life-time “subscription”….lol
Seriously, I wonder just what is in his “past” that causes him to be sooooooo “irritated” by little ol’ ME?

AND, I’m guessing from what he sez that NONE OF YOU on this forum actually live in the real world….ergo, anything ya might be contributing is limited to ONLY the “life of SD”. After all, the boy did say EVERYTHING….lol.

And, da boy has the audacity to question why I have him on mute. ha ha ha hahahahahh aha

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

I’m sensing you don’t like him much.

Da boy certainly does have “issues”…
hell, ya might even say has a life-time “subscription”….lol
Seriously, I wonder just what is in his “past” that causes him to be sooooooo “irritated” by little ol’ ME?

AND, I’m guessing from what he sez that NONE OF YOU on this forum actually live in the real world….ergo, anything ya might be contributing is limited to ONLY the “life of SD”. After all, the boy did say EVERYTHING….lol.

And, da boy has the audacity to question why I have him on mute. ha ha ha hahahahahh aha

Your socialistic ideals

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Your socialistic ideals

He was talking about Jan, and I’m assuming because he’s Canadian he doesn’t really mind socialism. Also, how many times do I have to remind you that socialism is still not green beans?

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Your socialistic ideals

He was talking about Jan, and I’m assuming because he’s Canadian he doesn’t really mind socialism. Also, how many times do I have to remind you that socialism is still not green beans?

I apologize to Jan. No, I changed it to peas.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=k3DKuN2ey80&amp;feature=endscreen

Congratulations, you have found someone (seemingly) contradicts themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=0bDJW97xBAE

I… I’m a little confused here, what exactly is the point of sharing this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8es6M_9HKk

Yes, he didn’t show any knowledge of the classifications of guns, he still does have a point there, it’s just getting overshadowed by his lack of information regarding guns.

EDIT: Heh… 666.

 
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Tenco, the second link was a representative in Illinois who was pushing a ban on semi-auto firearms and some ammo. Gun-owners called the state and flooded the lines. They also flooded the capitol with emails and the amendment to the bill they were trying to pass was dropped. This video is her letting everyone know they decided to not even discuss the amendment right now. Did you notice the applause in the background?

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Your socialistic ideals

Actually, if YOU doing a major sans-equipment, self-perfomed colonoscopy on this “socialism” fear ya so luv to whine about, ya’d see that America ALREADY IS socialistic
Best link
AND

jake-o, it really isn’t all that hard to fine decent info//data on the issue of just what social//economic “system” America is….that is unless one is soooooo utterly fucked by egocentrically bias, false-consensus effect, and a whole host of other decision-making, belief and behavioral biases that they have NO desire//need//interest whatsoever to make even a token effort to realisitically listen to opinions which conflict w/ theirs.

Yup, that sounds about right…eh?

 
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Yes karma, the second link was the best. I found the following to be of interest.

Whenever the government gets involved in a free-market economy, a little bit more individual liberty is lost.

You still haven’t convinced me I need to give up my 2nd Amendment. Good try.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Yes karma, the second link was the best. I found the following to be of interest.

Whenever the government gets involved in a free-market economy, a little bit more individual liberty is lost.

You still haven’t convinced me I need to give up my 2nd Amendment. Good try.

First, it is extremely subjective to INFER that every time EVERY govt. gets even the most remotely INVOLVED in (just what exactly is…?) a free-market economy there are individual liberties lost?

Without “govt. REGULATIONS”, we here in America would be totally FUCKED by our capitalist “friends-at-the-top”.
When one lives among an extremely large, dense, complex, diverse group of ppl….ya’re damned fright some “INDIVIDUAL liberties” are going to have to be “CURTAILED”. They are not “LOST”….just subjugated to the concept of: let’s have fun playing by some rules that do limit our freedoms rather than make life hell because a few fuckers wanna have it all their way and spout a lot about “FREEEEEEEDOM” as some kind of putrid support for their selfish greed.

Shiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhhh. I guess Santa deemed ya much too “naughty” to bring ya the gift of rational I requested for ya. I had hoped ya’d find some something in your stocking that would allow YOU to understand that NO ONE….ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, of sound mind, is gong after “YOUR” 2nd Amend to make ya “give it up”….NO ONE.

That YOU insist on this line of thinking is what makes progress on the issue extreeeeeemly difficult….if not totally impossible. And, all the while, more senseless slaughters continue.

 
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One last post tonight. I appreciate your asking for a gift for me. Have you ever heard the saying,“give government and inch and they will take a mile”? That is how they work and you can see it with a plethora of programs and even in the taxing of the country. Every year they need more and more money. why? To give to other countries, to give to those who don’t wish to join the working people?

You think we are in such great economic shape now, that our world is a utopia. You have your beloved president and you have all of the wonderful give away programs, but you don’t have any way to sustain all of this except to borrow and give away. We have had four years of nothing but bad news and all we have to look forward to is another four years of the same.

I look at the news and we have stabbings, child abuse, shootings, robberies, suicides, and on and on. I have never seen our country in such turmoil before. What causes this? Could it be a lack of hope for our future? Maybe it is the loss of everything we have ever worked for? I look at what our society is becoming and it is sickening. Gay rights, now pedophiles making the same claims, abortion, murder, etc. Our country is splitting at the seams and there is really no reason we should be in this situation. We are in this situation because we have a president and a congress who only worry about their bank accounts and the power they can wield over the people.

You people blame the firearms, but you don’t look behind the political curtain to see what is really happening. Guns have been around for 250 years, but all of a sudden they are evil. Why is it you pick an object to concentrate on when so much is wrong with the world? It isn’t just our country, this is a worldwide phenomena. But it is America’s guns that you blame. Such shallow thinking as this is why we are in the economic and stressed situation we are.

 
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Oh yes.
The debate on guns is what brings the country down.
Sure.
I mean, it’s obvious, isn’t it?

The debate on guns and the socialist-communists. Jews probably too, right?


Why is it so difficult for you to get the difference between gays and pedophiles and abortion and murder?
It’s not rocket science, you know?
I find it hilarious that you make fun of people who don’t understand what an automatic gun is and then come up with that kind of stuff when it doesn’t even have anything to do with the topic at hand.

 
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source: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/06/long-term-trend-in-homicide-rates.html
that doesn’t look like the US is becoming more violent. In fact it looks like all the spending is having an effect.

 
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Originally posted by EPR89:

Oh yes.
The debate on guns is what brings the country down.
Sure.
I mean, it’s obvious, isn’t it?

The debate on guns and the socialist-communists. Jews probably too, right?


Why is it so difficult for you to get the difference between gays and pedophiles and abortion and murder?
It’s not rocket science, you know?
I find it hilarious that you make fun of people who don’t understand what an automatic gun is and then come up with that kind of stuff when it doesn’t even have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Actually EPR, Pedophiles are trying to get the laws changed to allow sex with children. It was in one of the English newspapers. they are using the same arguments the gays are.

Ummm, I like Jews.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Actually EPR, Pedophiles are trying to get the laws changed to allow sex with children. It was in one of the English newspapers.

… As in the country or the language?