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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:
Originally posted by thijser:

If we are going to quote Hitler
“As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.”
So if any stance Hitler takes is bad Christianity is now evil? Hitler build a lot of highways and rail roads does that make those evil? Hitler hated smoking does that make smoking good? Hitler ate sugar does that make sugar evil? Ad to that that in your quote he is only saying the subject races shouldn’t possess arms not the “higher races”(who he did wanted armed)

Hello? Are you in there?

By “Christian” he meant “Nazi Christian”.

He was one of the biggest narcissists in the world, so of course, he made a new religion, basically, in which HE was God, complete with hymns (to Hitler, of course).

The stuff he built was necessary to any war effort.

Hitler already had bad breath, smoking would not have helped. ;)

You do manage to agree that he restricted the gun rights of the “subject races”. So it can be reasoned that you do think that it is a bad thing that they were disarmed.

Double-standard, huh?

I’m not attacking Christianity I’m pointing out that a bad person doing something does not make the action bad. Hitler loved dogs are dogs evil? He has written and said quite a number of things that weren’t bad (trough obviously they have been overshadowed by his evil). That is a logical fallacy here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar

Note Hitler did in fact reduce gun control for German people.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

You do manage to agree that he restricted the gun rights of the “subject races”. So it can be reasoned that you do think that it is a bad thing that they were disarmed.

Double-standard, huh?

He did not actually agree. And they were not actually disarmed at least not in the sense of the quote from the book Hitler’s Table Talk: His Private Conversations, 1941-44 (not written by Hitler, but heavily edited hearsay of what Hitler supposedly said) and especially its context. Which continues: “So lets not have a native military or a native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for maintenance of the law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories…”
Guess what, Hitler did arm a native Police and Military in Russia(and elsewhere).

 
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What was it you anti-gunners told me? We don’t want to ban you guns, just regulate them. Well contrare monsewers. You see, the gun organizations that scare you….and the prez it seems aren’t playing nice anymore. Here is Obumers real agenda boys. And now it is public.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-25/a-doj-memo-shows-why-the-nra-wins-on-gun-control

And here is the NRA’s respnse:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2013/2/obama-justice-department-reveals-truth-about-state-of-the-union-claims.aspx

 
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What was it you anti-gunners told me? We don’t want to ban you guns, just regulate them. Well contrare monsewers. You see, the gun organizations that scare you….and the prez it seems aren’t playing nice anymore. Here is Obumers real agenda boys. And now it is public.

I’m not sure you actually read that article. Frankly, the memo is right. The measures currently proposed by the president would have nearly no effect on gun crime, and more extreme measures would be needed to actually cut down on gun crime. The more extreme measures, which would almost certainly be favored by democrats, are a political impossibility, thus the president and fellow democrats are not supporting them. In fact, they actively oppose them, and show no sign of changing their stance anytime soon. So… conspiracy?

Your paranoia is getting a bit out of hand. This is all just standard politics.

 
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I read it, but it didn’t give the body of the memo I wanted to show. This sudden push for gun-control doesn’t have anything to do with sandy hook or any other crime. It is part of an agenda he can’t complete as long as the citizenry is armed. He is aiming to disarm us, in quick steps. I suppose I should try to find the memo. I no the administration went bonkers when they found out the NRA had the memo.

I think with the memo becoming public, it will be an impossible task to implement. Openly, no they won’t support stricter laws, but politicians don’t work in the open. Everything is done behind closed doors. In my state, the governor. who was willing to sign legislation on gun-control is starting to waver with all of the pressure he is getting from the pro-gun groups and citizens.

John, this isn’t just politics as usual. We are getting a lot of crap coming at us right now and it isn’t just gun-control. For instance, the administration is discussing taking over peoples 401k’s. These are the retirement plans people and companies have been paying into for years. It is estimated there is 9.7 trillion dollars saved in 401k’s and Obama wants it. I’m sure it will be using the lie we are too stupid to take care of our own retirements and we need government to show us how to budget the money, as if they have done any of their budget right. Oh wait, they haven’t passed one since Obama has been in office.

 
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I was going to respond to jhco’s post w/ a mere Civil Defense Warning of an impending full scale BULLSHIT attack.

HOWEVER, it appears it is full-body tin foil armor time……..AGAIN.

I went A’Googling in hopes I could find the author of: People who will believe anything are capable of DOING anything. This MIGHT apply, in some odd way, to all the shit jhco is spewing about the """"coming revolution of the RIGHTeous"""".

BUT, I found this instead.

How apropos….indeed.
Most befitting.
Un hun.

While the link focuses on the “younger” generation, I’m going to go out on a twig here and say it apples equally (if not even more so) to the “older” one.

The following is an excerpt from the link emended so that is can be applied to folks like jhco:
The young older generation in the world today is so ignorant and all about “junk” media. Most do not even try to verify the facts. It’s all about headlines. {and shit-talk radio/TV (FOX)/etc. & “coffee-with-the-boyz”}

Many do not take the time to research the facts that they base their opinions on. They think that they are experts on international {and most all others…?} affairs since they have read some “reliable” source on the web {"heard" it on the radio—how many times has jhco said this?}. How many of them have checked in detail the facts whether such “profound” information is reliable fact or tabloid propaganda?

It’s a “fast food” generation world that does not want to spend any of their valuable “Facebook” soap-boxing time to verify such claims and are willing to put out the junk. That is why I call this “junk” media. Anybody can sit at home behind their computer screens {etc.} and drum up support for something they don’t even have a clue about.

AND, before MY protagonists can toss “bombs-0-blasphemy” at me for being a “hypocrite” about this….
I want to point out that this form of “errant-endeavor” on being “experts” on issues can be applied to all of us,,,,
TO SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER.

I’m talking BELL-CURVE here….differing-shades-of-gray and how the more extremes applies to those ppl who are very adept at doing the backstroke in the swimming pool of bullshit-dark-gray.

Oh,,,oh,,,oh.
I almost forgot.
On that 401K issue.
But first, I want to make it very clear that I know absolutely NOTHING at all about what jhco is referring to (dat boy sure can “distort” the realit of things)….other than this: perhaps all this “takeover” really amounts to is that the “gumment” wants to do something to ensure that some asshole corporation doesn’t fuck some hard-working Americans out of their 401’s….eh?

 
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The following editorial in our local newspaper (Wichita Eagle) reinforces my post above…at least the part about how jhco is sooooo fucking wont to “extend” HIS ideology upon his fellow Americans—esp. Gay marriage & abortion issues (the latter there is the primary focus of the letter-to-the-editor).

Here is the link. But, rather than attempt to direct ya to the specific letter, I’ll just post it here. It is short.

Control issues?

How is it that so many Wichitans seem to know what’s best for complete strangers, and are so terribly concerned? I read here daily not about “open arms” and love for one another but of hate and intolerance, especially as the opening of the essential South Wind Women’s Center {abortion clinic} nears.

To write that abortion is always the wrong choice for everyone is both shortsighted and deeply offensive. How do we know? We don’t. So should we be saying that we do?

Of course people have strong feelings about this issue and have the right to voice their opinions. But let’s not forget the importance of “I”-centered statements to this conversation.

Trying saying “I feel…,” rather than the all-knowing, all-threatening “You must….”
Let others hear how you feel, but let us make our own decisions without judgment and intimidation.

And maybe think about that other difficult concept – acceptance.

BREON W. KRUG
Wichita

This letter-2-the-editor well says what many of us on this forum have been trying to get across to jhco et.al. And, yes…I fully realize the central thrust of the letter is about abortion. However, its real focus is about how a society can better function if it were to behave more along the lines of: All I ever really needed to know, I learned in kindergarten

The letter applies to this gun thread via the really weird stances jhco takes…SO VERY OFTEN in his responses to the very rational challenges to his ideology on the subject.

 
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Karma, I was going to just let you rant on, but then I thought you should have an answer to your one sided attacks. You seldom actually add to a discussion as you are so busy trying to impune me. Your idea of the perfect of America is what is odd to me. I look at you and see what is wrong with America. Sir, you lack any real information on the crap you spew, but try to make out you are a genius on all of life. You are one person in 300 million people, but you are like a bluegill in a sea of trout, a misfit. Your link was a shot in the dark and it missed.

I have met people like you before. They, and you, are leftovers from the 60s when being stoned was the biggest desire of the day. I remember going to the airport and being hassled by all of you flower children with pamphlets pushing one odd ideal after another until the authorities made you stay out of the area. Thankfully, people like you are far and few between.

Now let me ask you a question. What do you consider the facts? I’m serious. The internet is fraught with lies and deceit. The media, which is supposed to be unbiased, fair, and honest is a sham. Now what is a persons beliefs? How do they develop? I would suggest they are mostly opinion and have been developed over many years from experiences they have had.

You want to change America into a socialist utopia that you want, without thinking about the whole of society. “You” want to decide what you feel is right and wrong in the society….“You”. You think you can accomplish this with the help of a socialist regime in Washington, You hope to belly up to the the treasury trough and feed on the taxpayer along with the other misfits of society. Socialism, simple and basic greed.

Now what do I want? I want a society that functions on their own, who take responsibility for their own needs, who function as individuals. I want a country that worries about the freedoms of their people instead of subjugation. I want a government that performs their duties and only their duties as assigned them by our founding documents. I want the freedoms promised to me by that document, no I demand them.

You love to call my integrity into question. This makes you feel more powerful and correct in your attempt to inform the mushy minds on this forum. It is a common argument used by the left to win an argument when they really have nothing to stand on. I look upon people like you with pity. The dredges of society wanting to be noticed. What is it you want from people like me? You want to talk us into giving up our freedoms. You want us to bend to your ideals and just give up everything we have had in our lives to do your bidding, and if we don’t you go out of your way to insult, degrade, and slander them. This is typical of uneducated people with little or no real facts desperately reaching for socialism (in your case).

This subject, along with the others you mention, have nothing to do with knowing what is best for complete strangers. It has to do with stability of the society as a whole. If the majority of the society (or sub-society in this case) don’t want an abortion center in their neighborhood the majority will rule. In other words, the trout will push the bluegill aside. I love how you always fall back on mushy minds of this forum when you wish to impress a majority, as if this forum is the last word in anything. Bluegills in the sea of trout. Your facts consist of a letter from a woman sitting at home with nothing to do but write to a local newspaper to express her uneducated views.

My weird stances, as you call them, have given you a lot of actual facts which you and the other oddballs on this forum have dismissed in the hopes they can salvage their quest for the destruction of a country they don’t like and are envious of.

 
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WOW-0-WOW!
I must have slapped the bull on the nose
or however YOU so luv to tout about yer own “prowess” be.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Karma, I was going to just let you rant on, but then I thought you should have an answer to your one sided attacks. You seldom actually add to a discussion as you are so busy trying to impune me. Your idea of the perfect of America is what is odd to me. I look at you and see what is wrong with America. Sir, you lack any real information on the crap you spew, but try to make out you are a genius on all of life. You are one person in 300 million people, but you are like a bluegill in a sea of trout, a misfit. Your link was a shot in the dark and it missed.


I have met people like you before. They, and you, are leftovers from the 60s when being stoned was the biggest desire of the day. I remember going to the airport and being hassled by all of you flower children with pamphlets pushing one odd ideal after another until the authorities made you stay out of the area. Thankfully, people like you are far and few between.


Now let me ask you a question. What do you consider the facts? I’m serious. The internet is fraught with lies and deceit. The media, which is supposed to be unbiased, fair, and honest is a sham. Now what is a persons beliefs? How do they develop? I would suggest they are mostly opinion and have been developed over many years from experiences they have had.


You want to change America into a socialist utopia that you want, without thinking about the whole of society. “You” want to decide what you feel is right and wrong in the society….“You”. You think you can accomplish this with the help of a socialist regime in Washington, You hope to belly up to the the treasury trough and feed on the taxpayer along with the other misfits of society. Socialism, simple and basic greed.


Now what do I want? I want a society that functions on their own, who take responsibility for their own needs, who function as individuals. I want a country that worries about the freedoms of their people instead of subjugation. I want a government that performs their duties and only their duties as assigned them by our founding documents. I want the freedoms promised to me by that document, no I demand them.


You love to call my integrity into question. This makes you feel more powerful and correct in your attempt to inform the mushy minds on this forum. It is a common argument used by the left to win an argument when they really have nothing to stand on. I look upon people like you with pity. The dredges of society wanting to be noticed. What is it you want from people like me? You want to talk us into giving up our freedoms. You want us to bend to your ideals and just give up everything we have had in our lives to do your bidding, and if we don’t you go out of your way to insult, degrade, and slander them. This is typical of uneducated people with little or no real facts desperately reaching for socialism (in your case).


This subject, along with the others you mention, have nothing to do with knowing what is best for complete strangers. It has to do with stability of the society as a whole. If the majority of the society (or sub-society in this case) don’t want an abortion center in their neighborhood the majority will rule. In other words, the trout will push the bluegill aside. I love how you always fall back on mushy minds of this forum when you wish to impress a majority, as if this forum is the last word in anything. Bluegills in the sea of trout. Your facts consist of a letter from a woman sitting at home with nothing to do but write to a local newspaper to express her uneducated views.


My weird stances, as you call them, have given you a lot of actual facts which you and the other oddballs on this forum have dismissed in the hopes they can salvage their quest for the destruction of a country they don’t like and are envious of.

No, jake-o….all I’ve done is finally get ya to condense & summarize YOUR “zealous manifesto” so that all of us oddballs & mushy minds & bluegills of this forum who CONSTATNLY debunk your weird stances in the hopes we can salvage our quest for the destruction of a country we don’t like and are envious of are able to see what a “poster-boy” for common, everyday destructive “conservatism” is.

AND, I DO NOT impune YOU
I tear into yer ideology in a manner befitting such UNAmerican zealotry.

I live in a “Red state” and don’t very often actually hear such ideology expressed so blatantly.
I could respond, line by line, to YOUR RANT there…but for ANYONE w/ much of an understanding of life at all is able to see it exactly for what it is.

I will—ONCE AGAIN—point out to YOU how it is YOU who should stop believing that YOU are “reminding” posters on this forum that America is a REPUBLIC.

YES…we are a republic.
BUT, you make a statement that is totally contradictory: If the majority of the society (or sub-society in this case) don’t want an abortion center in their neighborhood the majority will rule. In other words, the trout will push the bluegill aside.

In a democracy…..yes, a simple majority DOES “make the rules”.
BUT, in a republic….that document, the Constitution, YOU so luv to (usually wrongly) refer to is what IS THE RULES by which we live.
AND YES, even “bluegills” DO HAVE the right to—what was it YOU said above?—oh yeah, “I want the freedoms promised to me by that document, no I demand them.”

Ya know, from MY (and maybe the other “oddballs & mushy minds”?) perspective….one just might see YOU as an ideologue whose positions are a product of—what was it that YOU called it?—oh yeah, “The dredges of society wanting to be noticed.~~~ This is typical of uneducated people with little or no real facts desperately reaching for socialism an America,-my-way-or-the-highway, (in your case).”

Yeah, I think yer rant above just gave much credence to the statement: We have met the enemy…and he is us While ideology such as YOURS is very widespread and holding a lot of sway in the current political arena, it is actually NOT all that representative of the HUGE MAJORITY of Americans…..contrary to what YOU want to believe.

We have shown YOU many times how this is the reality of life in America.
BUT NOW, after yer post above….it’s not really all that hard to understand why we haven’t made a single dent yer position. In fact, as YOU have so often stated, we have only succeeded in making yer resolve to cling to zealotry even stronger.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

You and all of your mushy-minded friends on here should ask yourselves this. Are you doing better than you were 8 years ago? No? Well welcome to reality. Taxes are going up, our economy is contracting, the dollar is almost worthless, and the people are losing everything they ever worked for.

According to Google, I am $14,555.52 per annum better off now, than I was eight years ago, Jhco.

This is the problem with making such sweeping generalisations without one lick of evidence to begin with. At best it is still a generalisation, and at worst it is completely wrong.

There are some people currently unemployed, yes, however the number has been contracting for a while, and the economy is showing signs of recovery – as has been linked in this same thread countless times before.

Also, I would point out that at this point in time, everyone has a ‘mushy mind’. It is incredibly plastic, and changes constantly based on new associations and housecleaning of old memories. The past eight years of continual research improvements have made it ever more clear how mushy the mind really is – even yours.

You have shown me nothing, just babbled on with your irregular ideals.

If they are so irregular, how come the leadership of the country is not in tune with your ideals? After all, if the regular American believed as you do, wouldn’t the polls reflect that?

Also I would like a source on the dollar being ‘almost worthless’, please. I doubt you can find a solid source for that on YouTube, so you might have to stray out of your comfort zone in your search for one.

 
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There are some people currently unemployed, yes, however the number has been contracting for a while

Unemployment contracts because people stop looking for work. We’re struggling to create enough jobs for standard population growth, let alone help the people who are unemployed.

and the economy is showing signs of recovery

Usually people don’t see shrinkage in Q4 as recovery – well, unless they’re trying to defend the Obama Administration.

Also I would like a source on the dollar being ‘almost worthless’, please. I doubt you can find a solid source for that on YouTube, so you might have to stray out of your comfort zone in your search for one.

It may not be worthless now, but its Inflation 101: printing more money makes the current money worth less. All the FED is doing is pumping more dollars into the economy, trying to maintain the budget charade as long as possible. It isn’t sustainable and if it does collapse, it’s going to make the Eurozone crisis look like a pimple.

 
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Note: all following quotes will be of jhco.
Well, I didn’t get around to picking apart his rant.
I’ll do so later….time allowing.

Well, jhco….since this is a thread about guns,, and since ya DID NOT mention guns in either of yer last two RANTS nor show any of a tie in for them—yet have admonished me (& others) for not staying on topic (on guns & other topics)…this form of HYPOCRISY is one of the many things that so very greatly WEAKEN your positions/points on issues being discussed here on this forum.

Another penchant of yours,, that is usually found most commonly in children,, is to use hyperbole. I always thought your use of it was because of simple childishness. Ya know, the exaggeration used to convince “mom”: but mooooaawwwwwmmm, ALL OF THE OTHER KIDS are going to the mall.

But now, I see that your use of hyperbole is much more….shall I say: involved.
I now am seeing smatterings of “evidence” that,, in YOUR mind,, ya actually DO BELIEVE that these very broad stokes of (near?) all inclusive assignments of “facts” ARE THE TRUTH. Here, as I’ve done sooooooo many times before (the definition of socialism being one, BIGOT, prejudiced a couple of others), have a read at the definition of DELUSIONAL
1.false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric condition
2.mistaken notion: a false or mistaken belief or idea about something

However, as I pointed out a few post above: (quoted from the link given) Many do not take the time to research the facts that they base their opinions on. They think that they are experts on international {and most all others…?} affairs since they have read some “reliable” source on the web {"heard it on the radio"—how many times has jhco said this?}. How many of them have checked in detail the facts whether such “profound” information is reliable fact or tabloid propaganda?

So, jhco….it is not like YOU are taking the TRUTH and distorting it all ON YOUR OWN. You are being helped….NAY, actually being very subtly (yet quite strongly) prodded along by some very excellent mouth-puppets hired by those who stand to gain A LOT by the gullible masses following a “pied piper” of a salacious carrot-of-crap ideology they so magnificently dangle in front of ya & a minion of very bigoted, prejudiced, hate-mongering, fearfull of change, uber “patriotic”, highly close-minded souls in America.

It’s like vika said about EDUCATION: The same with lax enough education standards and general ignorance. If you are forming a religion {{or political ideology}}, or strengthening one, nothing works more in your favor than if you decrease access to education and let a silver tongue do your work with people who don’t know any better – precisely because they’ve only known an inferior education.

Another definition that comes to mind upon encountering your ideology on this forum is: EGOCENTISM. “Egocentrism is characterized by preoccupation with one’s own internal world. Egocentrics regard themselves and their own opinions or interests as being the most important or valid. Self-relevant information is seen to be more important in shaping one’s judgments than do thoughts about others and other-relevant information. Egocentric people are unable to fully understand or to cope with other people’s opinions and the fact that reality can be different from what they are ready to accept.”

While the author of that link speaks a lot about the issues involving culture…one could just as easily expand it to show that it is merely a part of ideology. America is not only a “melting pot of cultures”, it is also a melding of ideologies….always has been. Does anyone really believe that our culture & ideologies in any form greatly reflect those of the Native Americans?

However, once again…this problem certainly isn’t something that is exclusive to YOU. It is rampant in America….it’s just that ideologies such as yours (one ya’ve presented on the forum here) are of the…shall I say: MORE EXTRESIST in nature. This link touches on the nuances of egocentrism in America. From that link: “We come from homogenous countries, where one culture prevails. However, here, in the United States, there is no one tradition that can unite all of us.”

So, jhco…this brings us to IMMIGRATION. Yes, yes, & yes….ILLEGALL immigration has its own set of issues. BUT, just like drug dealers…were it not for drug USERS they would not exist. Without a culture that nurtures illegal immigrants (jobs & housing & other monetary gains for Americans),,,why would they make the arduous journey only to be turned away?

And yup…it is those "mushy-minded, old hippies that misquidedly put “watering stations” along the trails used by illegal immigrants from Mexico so that they don’t die along the path to THEIR American Dream. Ya know, the one being promised to them BY AMERICANS willing to hire, house, and flat out “use” them.

So, jhco…old man, old chap, old boy,,,YOU (and those “extremists” like you) ARE NOT AMERICA. Get used to the idea….deal with it. And, ya best git crackin’ at it. America is becoming even more diverse, and strongly so, each day. The zealous ideology being pushed by a very misguided (against their own best intrests) army of extremist “conservatives”—which is supplied w/ all manner of “ammo” by the wealthy, the xenophobic, etc.—is as non-representative of America as is the clamorous din so projected into the national limelight.

Again, jhco….ya really shouldn’t be all that upset because of your angst caused by the evolution of American “values”. Ya have a lot of “company”….just not anywhere near a “majority” as ya want to believe. No, it is—if ya take a good look at the Tea Party—old, white ppl who just don’t like seeing the America they “know” dying right before their eyes. Rather than be tolerant & adapt & evolve, they opt to dig in and make little sense to the “progressiveness” that is a fact of life….always has been, always will be. It is similar to Manifest Destiny thought THAT kind of “progressivism” wasn’t very good for most anyone who didn’t share the ideology of the “true American”. Do YOU see the parallel? Somehow, I doubt it.

NOW, to tie MY rant to the OP issue.
As I’ve said before, it scares the shit out of me to know that there are delusional & egocentric ppl “out there” who have guns.
Does this make me (and the others on this forum who want these ppl to NOT HAVE guns) an “anti-gunner nut”?
Maybe.
BUT, by comparison to those nuts….not so much.

 
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Originally posted by dararararr:

I’m taking it no one read KKK’s useless drivel?

more like TL;DR

 
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Originally posted by dararararr:

I’m taking it no one read KKK’s useless drivel?

Okay, I don’t get this, if you don’t like the way someone makes their posts why care so much? It also doesn’t make sense that you would say that in particular, because it assumes that no-one reads what he says, which is obviously false because you had to read it to judge if it’s useless or not, and you assume that it’s useless even though that is also blatantly false because there are very few things that are really without use. It’s really just unimaginative to call something useless when you think about it, more-so if you want to try and insult them.

 
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Tenco, it is obvious that a well thought out post in response to Karma is not acceptable. Funny how he makes direct attacks on me and if I respond, my post is deleted. Something is a bit strange there and people are noticing. This has been an ongoing problem with the liberals, both on this forum and in the administration. I have fouond Karma can rant with his diarrhea of the mouth without worry of having his post deleted. That speaks volumes to me. I expect this post to be deleted too.

 
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Well, I didn’t get around to picking apart his rant.
NOW, to tie MY rant to the OP issue.

Responding to a rant with… a rant. Brilliant.

Well, jhco….since this is a thread about guns,, and since ya DID NOT mention guns in either of yer last two RANTS nor show any of a tie in for them

Lets see, you:

1) Call Jhco delusional

2) Call Jhco a sheep

3) Imply Jhco is uneducated

4) Call Jhco egocentric

5) Talk about immigration for reasons God only knows

6) Call Jhco an extremest

So, not only is your rambling post full of ad hominems (remember, you wrote an OP decrying ad hominems), it’s completely off topic, something you are equally annoyed with while at the same time go off on several tangents on a given post.

NOW, to tie MY rant to the OP issue.
As I’ve said before, it scares the shit out of me to know that there are delusional & egocentric ppl “out there” who have guns.
Does this make me (and the others on this forum who want these ppl to NOT HAVE guns) an “anti-gunner nut”?
Maybe.
BUT, by comparison to those nuts….not so much.

Saying “I want gun control and I’m not crazy!” at the end of your incoherent, off-topic mess doesn’t automatically unite the two. They are in no way connected.

 
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Originally posted by dararararr:

Are you done yet?

I would assume that me finishing a post would mean I finished a post, so yes.

I didn’t insult anyone.

Then what did you do?

If anything, you just did the same thing. Hypocritical much?

How, exactly?


I probably should have mentioned that this was also partially in response to a removed post near the top of this page. My bad.

Originally posted by issendorf:

Responding to a rant with… a rant. Brilliant.

When does a rant become a… Not rant? Obviously not when the person making the post labels it as such, but still.

Lets see, you:

1) Call Jhco delusional

Not exactly wrong, at least not always. Might be a little exaggerated, though.

2) Call Jhco a sheep

I must have missed that part, or is it in a different post?

3) Imply Jhco is uneducated

Well if you want to go there, you could argue that because Jhco has not gotten (recent) education, he is uneducated in some areas, and a lot can change in a few decades so some information could be incorrect or missing.

4) Call Jhco egocentric

If you want to go with a more literal definition, a lot of people are egocentric

5) Talk about immigration for reasons God only knows

Why do you expect clarity when Karma responds to Jhco?

6) Call Jhco an extremest

Again, not wrong.

it’s completely off topic, something you are equally annoyed with while at the same time go off on several tangents on a given post.

At least he tried. It may not be above mediocre, but it’s more than can be said about you, darrararr (I feel like we’re in the presence of an alt), jhco, and me.

 
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When does a rant become a… Not rant? Obviously not when the person making the post labels it as such, but still.

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.

I must have missed that part, or is it in a different post?

“You are being helped….NAY, actually being very subtly (yet quite strongly) prodded along by some very excellent mouth-puppets hired by those who stand to gain A LOT by the gullible masses following a “pied piper” of a salacious carrot-of-crap ideology they so magnificently dangle in front of ya & a minion of very bigoted, prejudiced, hate-mongering, fearfull of change, uber “patriotic”, highly close-minded souls in America.”

EDIT: Karma in his Corporation post more or less said the same thing about me, that I’m being blinded by the nasty corporations and believing things that aren’t in my best interests.

At least he tried.

I guess we lower expectations with Karma?

 
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Originally posted by issendorf:

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.

Many people here accuse many other people hereof making rants, I’m asking when does a regular post become a rant if the person’s posting style stays the same.

“You are being helped….NAY, actually being very subtly (yet quite strongly) prodded along by some very excellent mouth-puppets hired by those who stand to gain A LOT by the gullible masses following a “pied piper” of a salacious carrot-of-crap ideology they so magnificently dangle in front of ya & a minion of very bigoted, prejudiced, hate-mongering, fearfull of change, uber “patriotic”, highly close-minded souls in America.”

You could also infer that he’s calling jhco a puppet, blind, ect. Though, those could be called synonyms.

I guess we lower expectations with Karma?

This is exactly why picking little parts of a sentence can be a bad idea, sometimes it can leave out pieces of information that are important to the context. I wasn’t syaing that we should (just) lower expectations, it’s that he did try and we didn’t.

 
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Many people here accuse many other people hereof making rants, I’m asking when does a regular post become a rant if the person’s posting style stays the same.

I guess when one qualifies there own post as a rant, I tend to assume they know when they are ranting.

You could also infer that he’s calling jhco a puppet, blind, ect. Though, those could be called synonyms.

Semantical arguments go nowhere.

This is exactly why picking little parts of a sentence can be a bad idea, sometimes it can leave out pieces of information that are important to the context. I wasn’t syaing that we should (just) lower expectations, it’s that he did try and we didn’t.

Again, simply saying your gun control views to a massive post that had nothing to do with gun control doesn’t unite the two. If I want to write a thousand words about cheese and then say at the end, “That’s why gun control is a useless venture,” my discussion of cheese has nothing to do with gun control, just as Karma’s running objections with Jhco has nothing to do with gun control.