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Except the American founding fathers were exceptionally good at taking continental philosophy and making it their own. Jeffersonian liberalism is way different from Lockean etc. They made themselves independent from Britain not just politically but in their mindset (or worldview, as you like) too.

Whereas OUR Canadian founding fathers were undistinguished sycophants of the Crown up through and extending beyond Confederation. You can’t blame ‘media’ or ‘US hegemony’ on the fact that everyone knows about the federalist papers and its debates and historical figures, but nobody knows much of anything about what Laurier and MacDonald stood for, other than the bland motto ‘peace, liberty and good government’. Hooray Canada.

 
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(jhco)

Yes, you live in China. What you perceive as a problem in the US, only the liberal mush-minds perceive as a problem in the US. Most Americans don’t perceive firearms as a problem.

Please quote statistics, as I don’t think you can represent most Americans.

Now let me ask you this. You sit at your computer and worry about what you think America’s problems are while overlooking what we perceive as extreme problems in your country. Things like killing your children if they are of the wrong gender, or people living in a box the size of a closet to be able to work in the city.

Yes, I do discuss Chinese problem in Chinese communities using the Chinese language. The problem is that many people, like you, don’t know a shite about China while babbling like they do. Therefore, I rather talk my own problems with somebody who understand the issues.

You sir live in a country that is fully communist.

So your TARDIS actually works? But how can you access the internet in the 70s?

A form of government most Americans reject.

Yes. You can stand on the moral and political high ground to look down upon us, but sadly, your two-party system is also like garbage in Europeans’ eyes. Don’t call people noobs when you have only started the game not long ago.

Do you honestly think you opinion, considering your background should be considered when it comes to our freedoms?

Logic coming from an American is logic, while logic coming from a Chinese isn’t. Did you take your racism pills this morning?

Now to think about it, Karma does a great job at tolerating you. He even bothers to reply your whole posts. Why he can stand your bigotry is totally beyond me.

 
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jhco jhco

You sir live in a country that is fully communist.
You think China is fully communist? I’m sorry but you sir have no clue what you are talking about. Absolutely no clue.
Pulsaris remember jhco is from the old world view…people of his age are slowly fading away along with their ideas. The fact that the world changes is what scares people jhco.

 
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Originally posted by Pulsaris:

(jhco)

Yes, you live in China. What you perceive as a problem in the US, only the liberal mush-minds perceive as a problem in the US. Most Americans don’t perceive firearms as a problem.

Please quote statistics, as I don’t think you can represent most Americans.

Now let me ask you this. You sit at your computer and worry about what you think America’s problems are while overlooking what we perceive as extreme problems in your country. Things like killing your children if they are of the wrong gender, or people living in a box the size of a closet to be able to work in the city.

Yes, I do discuss Chinese problem in Chinese communities using the Chinese language. The problem is that many people, like you, don’t know a shite about China while babbling like they do. Therefore, I rather talk my own problems with somebody who understand the issues.

You sir live in a country that is fully communist.

So your TARDIS actually works? But how can you access the internet in the 70s?

A form of government most Americans reject.

Yes. You can stand on the moral and political high ground to look down upon us, but sadly, your two-party system is also like garbage in Europeans’ eyes. Don’t call people noobs when you have only started the game not long ago.

Do you honestly think you opinion, considering your background should be considered when it comes to our freedoms?

Logic coming from an American is logic, while logic coming from a Chinese isn’t. Did you take your racism pills this morning?

Now to think about it, Karma does a great job at tolerating you. He even bothers to reply your whole posts. Why he can stand your bigotry is totally beyond me.

Pulsaris, yes most. The democrats tried to come up with a fictitious 90% of Americans wanted gun control. They will give you fake numbers hoping to affect the people psychologically into believing others want something they want passed and those who disagree with them might tag along with the majority. surprisingly, it sometimes works.

Well I’m glad you are trying to clean up your own back yard. Until you do don’t try to clean up our back yard. So of the two examples I gave you, which is incorrect? The killing of children of the wrong gender or the living in small areas the size of a closet? News gets around you know. Just keep in mind when you are discussing issues with your people, just because they disagree with you doesn’t mean they don’t know shit. It could be they just don’t agree with your views. I have found liberals believe they can live your life better than you can and that is why they are always trying to equalize by taking from the producers to give to the non-producers. Pure folly.

I don’t look down on you, I just don’t accept your form of government as viable for America. You and your country do what you want, just leave us alone. You see, it is you who despises America when you really have a lot of work to do with your country. I don’t think you will find anywhere I said anything about China until you attacked us.

There you are wrong, logic is logic no matter where you come from. It just happens I don’t think you are being logical. You are judging America based on your knowledge of China. I am surprised you call me racist when you were the one who attacked me first. Hardly racism in any dictionary I know of. I’m sure Karma could pull some off the wall definition out of his orifice, but the real dictionaries are pretty specific.

Karma is a hippy from the 60s who never grew up. I could care less if he tolerates me or not. I would just as soon he shut his pie hole.

 
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Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:

jhco jhco

You sir live in a country that is fully communist.

You think China is fully communist? I’m sorry but you sir have no clue what you are talking about. Absolutely no clue.
Pulsaris remember jhco is from the old world view…people of his age are slowly fading away along with their ideas. The fact that the world changes is what scares people jhco.

Flabby, I gave him two examples of his culture to think about. Instead of trying to fix his country he is on here trying to fix mine. One thing the liberals and I agree on, America has no business interfering with other countries unless they are a threat to us. I think that should be reciprocated.

 
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Maybe a couple of links is in order to show why we cherish the Bill of Right so much.

http://www.whyguides.com/why-is-the-bill-of-rights-important.html

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-bill-of-rights.htm

 
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jhco,

1. How did Pulsaris even “attack” you, I wonder. We are discussing gun control in america, not problems around the world. It appears you think that only americans should fix this american problem. It appears people should fear to state their “originating country”, otherwise they would have no right to post here.
2. Gun ownership is a part of the bill of rights, but not the entire thing. There is a big difference between gun ownership and the rights you have regarding soldiers taking your house, or freedom of religion. We are still discussing, the gun ownership debate.



The democrats tried to come up with a fictitious 90% of Americans wanted gun control. They will give you fake numbers hoping to affect the people psychologically into believing others want something they want passed and those who disagree with them might tag along with the majority.

I would like you to prove this line. I sadly cannot believe you on your blue eyes. As you say, you take in alot of information. But luckily, there is the option to look back at your browsing history.



And a request on the side note: Lets keep the debate/discussion on topic and factual. If someone proves you wrong, or states you are wrong, you try to counter the argument, not the person. In such a case, where you do counter/attack the person, you show you aren’t able to get a “win” out of the debate, and are going for the draw, as we can hardly debate insults and/or accusations.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Maybe a couple of links is in order to show why we cherish the Bill of Right so much.

http://www.whyguides.com/why-is-the-bill-of-rights-important.html

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-bill-of-rights.htm

Congratulations, you have settled a non-issue that is being non-discussed here.

Originally posted by Wave_Rida:
And a request on the side note: Lets keep the debate/discussion on topic and factual. If someone proves you wrong, or states you are wrong, you try to counter the argument, not the person. In such a case, where you do counter/attack the person, you show you aren’t able to get a “win” out of the debate, and are going for the draw, as we can hardly debate insults and/or accusations.

So this makes, what, the fifth person to say somtehing like this to jhco?

 
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A few points:

~China’s nearly as capitalist as the US, and way moreso than the EU. They’re communists in name only – the danger comes from their authoritarianism more than anything else, and luckily that’s all domestic politics, nothing for us to worry about (yet).

~Jhco dislikes foreigners criticizing america about anything. ‘Criticizing’ here having a rather broad meaning. Canadians get a pass though (hooray!). To be fair, he rarely criticizes anybody else’s country.

~Karma does a ‘great job’ of tolerating jhco insofar as they’re two peas in a pod. One’s extreme right and the other’s extreme left and they’ll battle it out forever. I prefer the flag-waving bigot to the self-righteous dyslexic, but that’s just me…The former tends to be less of a deliberate douchebag.

And a request on the side note: Lets keep the debate/discussion on topic and factual. If someone proves you wrong, or states you are wrong, you try to counter the argument, not the person. In such a case, where you do counter/attack the person, you show you aren’t able to get a “win” out of the debate, and are going for the draw, as we can hardly debate insults and/or accusations.

You must be new to SD. Or the internet.

 
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1. I didn’t attack, nor did I ever express my opinion on gun issues recently, but I just pointed out a fallacy and that’s all.

2. jhco: Actually what you’re saying is kind of like the Chinese government, who treats even a tiny dissent as “inciting subversion of state power”. I just pointed out a fallacy in a person’s argument by logic; I did not attack your country or its policy.

3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

You must be new to SD. Or the internet.

first option, might be possible, I am not a greatly acive person on these for the timespan I have been here. second one absolutely not. Maybe I just had a better image of the people in here than the reality. Which would dissapoint me actually. I am active in several forums, and to see such behaviour in here, is , well, sad.

 
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Damnit Janto! Quit scaring away the new folks.
The “Gun Issues” thread has a certain flavour. You get used to it.

 
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Since when the hell do you get to say the full “F” word on kongregate?

 
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Originally posted by Ungeziefer:

Damnit Janto! Quit scaring away the new folks.
The “Gun Issues” thread has a certain flavour. You get used to it.

I think it might actually attract new folks, only the kind you do not want for a serious debate…

 
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Pulsaris, yes most. The democrats tried to come up with a fictitious 90% of Americans wanted gun control. They will give you fake numbers hoping to affect the people psychologically into believing others want something they want passed and those who disagree with them might tag along with the majority. surprisingly, it sometimes works.

The 90% in support of background checks (the argument of whether or not those checks are actual gun control is semantics and not terribly interesting, at least not to me) have been pretty consistent in polling across the board.

Now, do the majority of Americans perceive guns to be an issue is a bit difficult to answer. We could perhaps look at whether or not people want more gun control laws:

The date of this was taken ~ 1 month after Sandy Hook and even then, people satisfied with gun control legislation lead those looking for stricter laws 43-38. If you look back over the previous 11 years, since 2002, the gap has been 15-20 points in favor of those who are satisfied with current gun control laws.

This question could also be looked through the prism of whether or not people want Congressional action (since the previous one could factor in state politics). I posted this a few pages back and it has a poll that shows people want a Congressional bill 49-45. This is within the margin of error for the poll and USA Today tracks how swiftly support has fallen. A plurality (at least if this poll is accurate still), not a majority, then would see guns as a problem, but judging how support is consistently fading, I would imagine in a couple of months the numbers would flip if Congress continues to do nothing.


Logic coming from an American is logic, while logic coming from a Chinese isn’t. Did you take your racism pills this morning?

His thinking is that if you aren’t American, then you can’t possibly understand American domestic policy as well as an American. It isn’t a racist notion – it’s just an incorrect one.

 
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Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:

jhco jhco
Pulsaris, remember jhco is from the old world view…people of his age are slowly fading away along with their ideas. The fact that the world changes is what scares people jhco.

Pulsaris, THAT is what helps me “tolerate” jhco. LOL

Like him, I am “older” & fully acknowledge that things do change over time.

Maybe like him, I am content to be happy to be alive & therefore “allowed” to continue to go along for the ride. For me, the wonder of what will happen next is thrilling.

Probably unlike him, this wonder is because I see a great deal of it as being very positive. I was born in ’46, first of the baby-boomers—meaning a whole lot of babies were born as the guys came home from the war—and made up for “lost time” w/ their women. So, I grew up listening to a great amount of discussion on world events & how strife plays into the world scoical//politicial//economic picture, past & future. Much speculation was made on these parameters.

But, one can’t be very accurate on speculations when data is limited by the slowness of acquisition of it. The Atlantic was a formidable barrier. Air travel was very limited. Jet power was increasing post WWII,, making it easier to have faster news. What really sped things up was the laying of the Transatlantic telephone (underwater) cable…circa ’58.

Satelite communications have shrunk our globe to the point that we are truly “next-door neighbors”. The huge amount of data able to be gathered & analysed by computers is astounding. One major aspect of this is spying via hacking.

THIS is the reason why isolationists like jhco just really don’t “get it” that such isolation is utter folly. It is also the reason his ideology—“stuck” in the past & very likely to stay there—is utterly counterproductive & hugely detrimental to rational growth of America. It is why America is constantly losing ground in many important areas of globalism.

It is shown in his adamant need for smaller Federal govt. & stronger state govt….like it was in the “old days”. He fails to grasp the dynamics of the “closeness” of ppl in today’s life.

I’ve found that many ppl who hold this view are well represented by what jcho said about me:

Karma is a hippy from the 60s who never grew up.
Interesting that he can see only that being a hippy was all negative. That he was so negative about PROGRESSION even back then is a huge clue about why he is so regressive to changes needed to stay abreast w/ advances made worldwide.

I could care less if he tolerates me or not.
I wonder how much less that would be? LOL
Sorry, I luv to play w/ those who pay so little attention to what they are saying…esp. when it is totally inappropriate for what they mean.
I find that this mentality usually is the one that merely repeats that they hear,,,,at the expense of doing any real thinking on it. They just filter information through their Id and call it Gospel.

That he fails to give any merit to toleration is NO surprise.
He has demonstrated this time & again via staunch bigotry on several issues….including being unable to tolerate input//criticism by ppl who aren’t American. That Janto lauds him for not returning criticism (which he does & is shown to usually be greatly wrong) is propably more due to a great lack of relevant knowlege.

He even goes to even greater elitism of intolerance by holding that EVEN AMERICANS who disagree w/ his ideologies hate America, should leave it, & are trying to kill the Constitution//Bill of Rights so that a Tyrannical Dictatorship can be set up solely for the pleasure//benefit of left-wing, socialists. Yeah, I know the two ideologies are diametrically opposed…LOL But, that is jhco in a NUTshell.

Now, for Jantonists:
~Karma does a ‘great job’ of tolerating jhco insofar as they’re two peas in a pod. One’s extreme right and the other’s extreme left and they’ll battle it out forever. I prefer the flag-waving bigot to the self-righteous dyslexic, but that’s just me…The former tends to be less of a deliberate douchebag.

I guess by two peas-in-a-pod he might be trying to demonstate an “astute” understanding that, indeed, there are TWO diametrically oppossing ideologies (Yin-Yang) in the world (pod). I wonder if he has noticed that there are a lot more “leftie peas” than I on this forum….and a hellua lot more than the “righties”?

This “pod”, a world where each of us lives so interactionally close that TOLERATION is of paramont importance. Due to my extensive contact w/ those of differing ideology (combined w/ a penchant to understand its basis),,,I learned that ya can get a much better picture of reality about life if ya don’t approach it w/ negativity. To be sure, toleration DOES NOT MEAN that one has to like a situation….or even has to accept it (which can take many forms….preferably NOT aggressive anihalation.) & can opt to extert time//energy//money to CHANGE that which isn’t “acceptable”.

A lack of toleration & a strong desire to avoid that which is different is demonstrated by jhco’s: “I would just as soon he shut his pie hole”. I guess the fact that what I say is written & he is under no oblication to read it somehow gets lost on him. Much like the fact that he & his family don’t have to go to Gay Pride Parades and watch them fagots prance around.

I don’t agree w/ Janto’s assessment that I am extreme left. He is certainy right about jhco being far right….at least many on this forum concur. Some have disagreed w/ jhco’s accussation that I (along w/ a few others here, & esp. Obama) aren’t nearly as left in reality as he would like—NO, actually does believe—place us. Of course, all of this is a relative-perspection viewpoint thing. I would be highly disappointed were jhco to think most any ideoloty differing from his wouldn’t be “left”.

LOL, I find it interesting that Janto isn’t able to connect bigotry w/ being self-righteousness.
But, I guess I could be accused of seeing mySELF as being “right” on particular asessments of life issues. I’m not clear on why he says I am dyslexic. maybe he meant a different vision-related condition, myopic. Maybe he was pressed for time & took the easiest route to be able to toss an isult at me. LOL

I only marvel that he would even care to comment on my demeanor on this forum. Maybe it is cuz he’s jealous,,,because if it is anyone on here who is (does it take him “effort”?) a deliberate douchbage, it obvously is he. Janto usually spares no spleen in his regard for ANYONE on here. Hell, I would be miffed if I weren’t included. That I am at the acme of it, I see as some dubvious “honor”…LOL
AND, talk about how opinions are delivered in a self-righteous manner,,dat boy dun does good……LOL

I am concerned how he tends to “stalk” me by pointing out my piccadilios when I really not all that removed in ideology & “passion” from several others here. Me thinks the boy has some real issues—(return insult successfully lobed…LOL).

 
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Originally posted by fyoutoo:

Since when the hell do you get to say the full “F” word on kongregate?

I can’t give ya an exact date; but I can tell ya “why” it is allowed (written April, 2011):

Guidelines for responding to posts and threads:
1. Excessive cursing, swearing and vulgar language may result in a hidden post and/or a silence. It may seem harmless but in reality, it only weakens your post and makes you look cruel.

If ya feel a post “violates” that GUIDELINE (meaning much less than a strict-meaning rule), then simply flag it. BUT, I caution ya to be mindful that our moderators are now few & do have a life outside of refereeing this (& others) forum. Please have respect for their time & understand that I am probably the most egregious user of such language and I haven’t (yet) been asked to “tone it down”.

And, please don’t take my post as some kind of licence to do as I do.
Be yourself & “speak” as ya naturally would.
That usually works best.

 
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Originally posted by Pulsaris:


3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

What, they never heard of breastfeeding? Free formula, nature produced.

 
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Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by Pulsaris:


3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

What, they never heard of breastfeeding? Free formula, nature produced.

But you forget: Asians have no boobs.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by Pulsaris:


3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

What, they never heard of breastfeeding? Free formula, nature produced.

But you forget: Asians have no boobs.

Implants!
Wait… that doesn’t work…

 
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Originally posted by Draconavin:
Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by Pulsaris:


3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

What, they never heard of breastfeeding? Free formula, nature produced.

But you forget: Asians have no boobs.

Implants!
Wait… that doesn’t work…

Definitely working for Koreans.

 
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Originally posted by Pulsaris:
Originally posted by Draconavin:
Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by Pulsaris:


3. Jantonaitis: Perhaps there is nothing for the US to worry about yet, but elsewhere, baby formulas are constantly out of stock due to sheer demands from Chinese parents… There is nothing more humorous, entertaining and unthinkable as reality.

What, they never heard of breastfeeding? Free formula, nature produced.

But you forget: Asians have no boobs.

Implants!
Wait… that doesn’t work…

Definitely working for Koreans.

I don’t know if tenco was being his occasional mirthfully pithy self, but a huge majority of the Chinese women I see actually ARE fairly small-breasted. I’m certainly not a medical doctor, but I would imagine a breast so lacking in glands might not be all that capable of milk production.

Second, I would also imagine that the (probable?) very low income level for the bulk of Chinese ppl might make food intake so small that the extra needed to produce milk might be taxed. But then, that body made a baby….so, WTF do I know? LOL

NOW, enough about titties….I’m getting a woodie.
And, we all know that God gave us men only enough blood to operate one “head” at a time.
So, before the brain runs outta juice,,,
I wanna present this
jhco really ought to luv this….it is a hat-trick:
1: It is a real boom for gun affecionados.
2: It is the real-deal for “state’s rights”.
3: It actually allows that fucktard Federal govt (via its employees) to be arrested & jailed.

This is the state I live in.
Gov. Brownback is a former U.S. Senator.
He is part of a huge “right-wing” conspiracy to return America to those golden years of far-right conservative paradise….where we have prayer in school, niggers are discriminated against, worthless old ppl are put out to pasture to be on their own, and public education beyond 6th grade is unnecessary…if ya don’t have enough money to pay for private (church?) school, ya won’t really be needing much smarts to be able to flip burgers.

Brownback does NOT believe in evolution.
He is a very “fundamentalist” Christian who really isn’t very Christian….like DUH.
A lot of money came from “somewhere” to help defeat moderate Republicans for state congress so Brownback’s conspiracy-agenda would be supplied w/ consenting puppets who are his army-against-progressive-liberalism.

My really good buddy Leonard Pitts sums up rather well this huge shift by the GOP to the far right:
His editorial

 
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Thank you to Issen for the data, that was an interesting read. I was really surprised at how high satisfied was. I expected the gripe rate to be higher for more and less control.

It certainly seems the largest total of americans are content with the status quo. But I daresay that still looks primed to shift. If the majority do support alterations, then what? What sort of laws do you think would be enacted, what would be the bent of the changes?

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
..return America to those golden years of far-right conservative paradise….where we have prayer in school

Nothing wrong with that, IMO, as long as it’s not forced on anybody. It actually rather irritates me when they remove “under God” from the pledge of allegiance and other stuff like that. I’m not that old, but I grew up pledging it in a public school with no problem.

 
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I would continue arguing, but I don’t think anything is going to change the world on a forum.