Profiles In Communism page 2

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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

tenco-

1. He responded with the idea that he knew something I didn’t. I let him know that he’s wrong.

Then why did you clarify the part that wasn’t wrong?

Real-Life Communism is the only one that has existed in the real world,

Which also can’t really be called communist because it often get twisted far out of proportion to what it originally was.

3. Let me clarify. Unless you are going to say something actually related to the topic (trying to defend communism, “it’s not all bad” etc etc.), than you can join kevin in his cave.

Okay.

You can’t actually fault communism for all those bad deeds because the system those countries were under wasn’t actually communism, but instead some bastardized form that was either like that from the start or got changed because of corrupt or corruptable leaders.

Also, I would suggest making two terms, one to refer to the pure form of communism and the kind that is being used and called communism.

 
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Would you say then, that the pure form of communism, would almost certainly require either a hive mind or a group mind, in order to function to its fullest potential? After all, with every member voting on every issue as an equal well, shareholder I suppose, could get unwieldy, without some form of direct, continuous link.

 
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So, where did you get these facts and figures?
I am sorry I need a list of references:
This is a forum of a gaming platform and a guy named “PatriotSaint (sic)” is starting a disscussion about Weltanschauungen. Presenting some data about death toll in communist countries (that, reffering to him, are actually not communistic countries), that are without references.

For Example: Searching for Sovjet Union Domestic Death toll gives you the following site:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinsche_S%C3%A4uberungen#Anzahl_der_Opfer (I’m sorry, it does not exist in English its translated name would be something like Stalinistic Cleansing)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Terror

these sites tell you:

Stalin:
No one has any idea how many got killed. Todays assumptians range from 4 – 20 Million

Lenin:
0,25 – 1 Million.

So your assumption (just for the Soviet Union) is at the upper limits in the current discussion. And that appears highly improbable to me: a fact at one of the extremes.

FYI: none of the countries you named are nearly “communist countries”, neither named by themselfes, nor by their “enemies”:

Soviet Union: Räterepublik / Soviet republic (system of government)
Democratic Kampuchea: Einparteiendiktatur / Single-party dictatorship
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea: Volksrepublik (Songun; Juche) / Juche single-party state
Republic of Cuba: autoritäres Einparteiensystem / Unitary Marxist-Leninist socialist semi-presidential republic
People’s Republic of China: Sozialistisches, autoritäres Einparteiensystem / Single-party state, collective leadership

The best generalisation would be dictatorship, and then it is irrelevant, if the dictator is a person, a party, a class, power or money

Conclusion:
If you start an argument/discussion and you want the discussion to be serious, start it with facts, and not just some propaganda.

 
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Yeah, thanks for reminding me.

I’ll have a list of sources shortly.

These were communist countries because they are the only type of communist country that can exist among humans.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

tenco-

1. He responded with the idea that he knew something I didn’t. I let him know that he’s wrong.

Then why did you clarify the part that wasn’t wrong?

Real-Life Communism is the only one that has existed in the real world,

Which also can’t really be called communist because it often get twisted far out of proportion to what it originally was.

3. Let me clarify. Unless you are going to say something actually related to the topic (trying to defend communism, “it’s not all bad” etc etc.), than you can join kevin in his cave.

Okay.

You can’t actually fault communism for all those bad deeds because the system those countries were under wasn’t actually communism, but instead some bastardized form that was either like that from the start or got changed because of corrupt or corruptable leaders.

Also, I would suggest making two terms, one to refer to the pure form of communism and the kind that is being used and called communism.

1. Dude, now you’re just prolonging a meaningless argument.

2. It is the ONLY proportion because it is the ONLY form of communism that ever has, can, or will ever exist among mankind.

3. The two terms are:

Theoretical Communism: The one all those dreamy communist leaders thought they were practicing.

Real-Life Communism: The only form of communism that can ever exist. This is what these communists were actually practicing and will always practice, as long as someone new is there to make another grab for Theoretical Communism and fail.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

1. Dude, now you’re just prolonging a meaningless argument.

And when you avoid the question, you are too.

2. It is the ONLY proportion because it is the ONLY form of communism that ever has, can, or will ever exist among mankind.

Which is exactly why humans have created a type of communism that is actually communism and nit the bastardized form you keep claiming is still communism. (Note: you never said how it had to exist.)

3. The two terms are:

Theoretical Communism: The one all those dreamy communist leaders thought they were practicing.

Did not know you knew the thoughts of political leaders.

Real-Life Communism: The only form of communism that can ever exist.

Which is exactly why “theoretical communism” exists.

This is what these communists were actually practicing and will always practice,

And here’s a problem with your terminology, it falls apart when you refer to people who believe in “theoretical communism” and those who believe in “real-life communism” as the same. Big shocker, someone can actually believe in the type of communism that hasn’t been used in practice often.

This seems to be a recurring problem with you and communism, you admit that there are several types, but then you label it all as the same, often times due to you referring to “communism” as communism instead of creating a new term or sticking to your original distinction.

as long as someone new is there to make another grab for Theoretical Communism and fail.

Pro-tip: Never use absolutes. There will never be a time in your or anybody else’s life where using an absolute will be true or useful in any sense.

 
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Tenco, have you ever heard the saying, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely?

 
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United States of America
Dictators: Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, The Illuminati
Domestic Death-Toll: 0 million

 
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Originally posted by SocialSynergy:

United States of America
Dictators: Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, The Illuminati
Domestic Death-Toll: 0 million

Does the Civil War count?

 
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Whoa, 3 posts removed. I wonder which moderator disagreed with me and abused his power.

Again, another one of those communism topics has popped back up, so before you jump over there to defend communism on a debate about communism that wouldn’t exist if you lived in a communist country in a forum that would not exist under communism on a computer that would not exist under communism, it might be a good idea to have some statistics in your head while you do it.

It’s all perspective, good vs bad.

What’s good about communism, and what’s bad?

I don’t know what’s good about communism, and neither does a single refugee who escaped from any one of those cesspools.

I know what’s bad. If you choose to look, you will to.

Many of you will not look and pretend it was never there, many of you will not care, many of you will dismiss it as a hoax, many of you will call it a necessary loss, and many of you will do more than one of these things, or all of the above.

 
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If you make posts like that, with no content and only opinion, you should not be surprised that they get deleted.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

on a debate about communism that wouldn’t exist if you lived in a communist country in a forum that would not exist under communism on a computer that would not exist under communism

Citation needed.

 
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Originally posted by EPR89:

If you make posts like that, with no content and only opinion, you should not be surprised that they get deleted.

Opinion is content, which you seem to agree with by expressing your own opinion.

I should be surprised that posts were deleted as it is not the job of the moderator to have an opinion. It’s the moderator’s job to watch for posts against good standards, which does not include opinion.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

Opinion is content, which you seem to agree with by expressing your own opinion.

Pretty sure when he said content he meant stuff relevant to this thread’s topic.

… What was the thread’s topic again? Communism is bad, M’kay?

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

Opinion is content, which you seem to agree with by expressing your own opinion.

Pretty sure when he said content he meant stuff relevant to this thread’s topic.

… What was the thread’s topic again? Communism is bad, M’kay?

And your post is on-topic? Troll harder.

My post was ABOUT the thread’s topic itself and the data within.

Unless you are going to actually say something related to the topic, and not to me, than go back to your cave under the bridge where the trolls sleep.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

My post was ABOUT the thread’s topic itself and the data within.

See, this is where I disagree.
I may have worded my previous post wrong, though, so let me clear it up a bit.
You voice your opinion, which is perfectly fine, but you don’t voice it as your opinion. You voice it as fact.
This is the real problem with that post.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

And your post is on-topic? Troll harder.

Except I’m not trying to pass it off as on-topic.

My post was ABOUT the thread’s topic itself and the data within.

You mean that one that got removed because it was baiting people, or the one that had the line to EPR responded to about your posts being removed?

Unless you are going to actually say something related to the topic, and not to me, than go back to your cave under the bridge where the trolls sleep.

No after you, I insist.

This is why I don’t like calling people trolls. It does nothing.

EDIT: Okay, that’s not entirely true, it does do something, but that something is similar to that stupid trope in media where a person confronts someone who they know to be evil or dangerous about how he’s going to tell on the them, and then that person gets killed for their troubles.

 
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Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

My post was ABOUT the thread’s topic itself and the data within.

See, this is where I disagree.
I may have worded my previous post wrong, though, so let me clear it up a bit.
You voice your opinion, which is perfectly fine, but you don’t voice it as your opinion. You voice it as fact.
This is the real problem with that post.

I did not say that my opinions are facts. Opinions are what they are. Statistics are facts. I have statistics, and sources, too. I made this post so people would know that the statistics are here on page 1.

So while you are debating about communism, you can think of all the “necessary sacrifices” communism has taken. If you know what I mean.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

And your post is on-topic? Troll harder.

Except I’m not trying to pass it off as on-topic.

My post was ABOUT the thread’s topic itself and the data within.

You mean that one that got removed because it was baiting people, or the one that had the line to EPR responded to about your posts being removed?

Unless you are going to actually say something related to the topic, and not to me, than go back to your cave under the bridge where the trolls sleep.

No after you, I insist.

This is why I don’t like calling people trolls. It does nothing.

EDIT: Okay,that’s not entirely true, it does do something, but that something is similar to that stupid trope in media where a person confronts someone who they know to be evil or dangerous about how he’s going to tell on the them, and then that person gets killed for their troubles.

1. Than don’t bring it here.

2. The one that stated that it’s a good idea to have statistics with you.

3. If that’s your one rule, you must be exempt from it.

And you might want to edit your edit. It has some grammar errors so it sorta lost it’s slaptheotherguyintheface heat.

 
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Originally posted by SocialSynergy:

United States of America
Dictators: Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, The Illuminati
Domestic Death-Toll: 0 million

I lol’d.