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Originally posted by beauval:

Much as the missionaries of old, many Christians would likely see these aliens as intelligent barbarians needing to be ‘saved’, or as a threat to ’God’s divine people’.

There is, of course, an outside chance that they could see us in the same light. America has shown that is is possible to be technologically advanced and still wallow in ancient world superstition.

It was bad enough having the Jehovah’s Witnesses based at the end of my road, missionaries from space doesn’t bear thinking about.

beauval, your point is as (humorusly?) interesting as it is plausible.
Lest we forget our own (American) forays to “alien areas” that had little-2-nothing to offer in the way of commercial interest,, but wherever there were souls to be saved…we made huge efforts to go save them via Christianity. Michner’s Hawawii comes to mind.

Who is to say that the first envoys from “out there” just might not be anything but simple missionaries?

Your mention of Jehovah’s Witnesses conjured up an image of two “little green men” at my door wanting to tell me about _________ (fill in the blank). LOL

Now, for your other post:

Originally posted by beauval:

…. religion could be important in any meeting with extraterrestrials. There aren’t too many places here where religion still isn’t taken seriously, and if ET turned out to be religious too, both sides could see the other as potental converts.

True.
All too true.
The same can very easily be said of “commerce”.
Where there is a buck to be made,,,
there will be some “businessperson” there to make an offer.

We really don’t want to start a holy war with ET,…

LOL
Our history tells us that we all too often very easily fall into this “adventure”.

… especially since, if he comes to us, the chances are that he wll turn out to be a lot more technologicallly advanced than us.

The very point that should be made,,,,
AND, taken very seriously.
BUT, our history also tells ut that such really doesn’t do much to prevent a “call-to-stupidity”.
LOL

And, now for PatriotSaint:

Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

Oh, yeah, just Christians. Because Christians are the only religion in the world. (Worth raging about

Please see my post in the Gay Marriage thead.
It touches on & (hopefully?) might offer an insight about why ya (mistook?) beauval’s “words” on this matter.

… in a topic that has nothing to do with religion.

While I don’t want to dispute//disagree w/ your opinion here,,
I do want to share w/ ya something that comes from a writer whose work I am very fond of;
Khalil Gibran’s “The Prophet”: wherein he touches on the concept of religion

A couple of lines from it:
And an old priest said, “Speak to us of Religion.”
And he said:
Have I spoken this day of aught else?
Is not religion all deeds and all reflection,
And that which is neither deed nor reflection, but a wonder and a surprise ever springing in the soul, even while the hands hew the stone or tend the loom?
Who can separate his faith from his actions, or his belief from his occupations?

Your daily life is your temple and your religion.
Whenever you enter into it take with you your all.

Mankind didn’t “invent” religion
(a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.)

In a very broad sense, mankind IS “religion”.

That is why I would see the concepts beauval is putting forth ARE germane to this discussion.
The very meeting of various factions of mankind (and of those “out there”) will involve this interaction of “religiosity”.

 
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Originally posted by thecartm:

Infinite Space * Infinite time before humanity = Infinite chance of alien life 2

Alien life is inevitable.

 
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Originally posted by thecartm:
Originally posted by thecartm:

Infinite Space * Infinite time before humanity = Infinite chance of alien life 2

Alien life is inevitable.

You were pretty clear the first time.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by thecartm:
Originally posted by thecartm:

Infinite Space * Infinite time before humanity = Infinite chance of alien life 2

Alien life is inevitable.

You were pretty clear the first time.

Maybe he just likes (needs?) talking to himself.
LOL

BUT, I am glad he cleared up all of that.
I’m not really very good at math,,,,
and I’m just not able to get a good handle on this infinity thing. 0¿~

 
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By the laws of evolution, it is literally impossible for there not to be intelligent extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe.

 
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I am very sure that there is life out there. To say that bacteria ’hasn’t formed on an other planet or satellite’ Would be the question, not ‘Has life formed on other planets or satellites.’ I doubt That Bacteria like Deinococcus radiodurans hasn’t formed anywhere else in our universe.

 
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Originally posted by DakotaDante:

By the laws of evolution, it is literally impossible for there not to be intelligent extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe.

No, evolution is meant to be applied to Earth. The Drake Equation might be what you’re thinking of there.

 
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Originally posted by thecartm:
Originally posted by thecartm:

Infinite Space * Infinite time before humanity = Infinite chance of alien life 2

Alien life is inevitable.

Where do you get the “infinite time before humanity” bit from, please? That does not mesh with the expanding universe models we have.

 
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Originally posted by DakotaDante:

Evolution applies everywhere, idiot.

I think you forgot to include “where there is life” after “everywhere.”

Also, his point was that the theory (not law) of evolution doesn’t talk about life elsewhere or how likely it is for life to form, which is what you were saying it does, and that The Drake Equation does. That, and evolution as we know it is meant to detail how life is so diverse on our planet, and not others. It could fit for other planets, but we just don’t know that.

 
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Wow, how long did it take you to figure that out? The quote “No shit, Sherlock” comes to mind. Of course evolution doesn’t occur in the vast emptiness of space where there isn’t any life just floating there randomly, though there is a chance there might be such a lifeform.

Evolution is a theory in the same way that gravity is a theory. Stop being an idiot. By evolution, life forms everywhere. I’m not talking about probability. The Drake Equation is on a different side of the sphere that the subject of my statement is on. You completely missed my point.

Evolution means species that adapt to change. Without this, species can not survive. You don’t know anything of evolution, not even its definition. That doesn’t surprise me.

 
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Originally posted by DakotaDante:

Evolution is a theory in the same way that gravity is a theory. Stop being an idiot.

Which is why it’s not a law, don’t deny what you wrote.

Wait, I said that evolution is a theory, how am I wrong?

By evolution, life forms everywhere.

Everywhere life could form.* There’s a pretty obvious difference that for some reason you think doesn’t needs to be made.

Also, that’s not evolution that says that, that’s abiogenesis. (Biogenesis? Whatever it’s called.)

I’m not talking about probability.

No, even if you don’t think you are, the formation of life is very intertwined with probability.

The Drake Equation is on a different side of the sphere that the subject of my statement is on.

Care to explain? Because I obviously am an ant to you’re intelligence, so you must explain this to me.

You completely missed my point.

You point was that evolution states that intelligent life is inevitable, am I wrong?

Evolution means species that adapt to change.

Change in their environment.* You don’t like to be specific, do you?

Without this, species can not survive. You don’t know anything of evolution, not even its definition.

And how did you come to this conclusion, again?

That doesn’t surprise me.

Well obviously, you don’t seem to be someone who likes to not snap at others.

 
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Originally posted by DakotaDante:

By evolution, life forms everywhere.

Just felt like chiming in here, because of the sweet irony.
Evolution says nothing about how life forms. It’s only concerned with how life evolves.

Cut down on the insults, will you?

 
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Ok people, explain this.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Ok people, explain this.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

Sorry, I kinda can’t when the link borked up.

 
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Idk,But I really don’t think there is any really close to us but there may be further away in other galaxies but still I highly doubt it.

 
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I am somebody who will trust in anything, until it gives me a reason not to, aliens being one of those things. As so many have said before me, the chances of there not being other life in the universe are just way too slim. I don’t know if any of the ‘encounters’ people have had, be it documented or undocumented, are necessarily true, because they may not have the technology to communicate with us, but if they are true, well, then obviously alien life is an actual thing.

What I find intriguing is people thinking from their point of view, if they do exist, we would be aliens to them. Which leads me to another point, what if they’re not tiny green men like depicted, (I hardly believe they are) but are just like us, which cannot be distinguished by any special characteristic. If so, would they know they are an alien, or would they just live a normal life?

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Ok people, explain this.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

Sorry, I kinda can’t when the link borked up.

Then highlight it and drag it to a new tab, not really hard.

Main problem I have with that report is that it has been written for a website that charges people for “the truth”. The creator, Steven M. Greer, claims to of seen UFO’s at age 8 and 18 and has made quite a lucrative career out of trying to show people “the truth”. He claims to be campaigning for “the truth” in the interest of mankind though I can’t help feeling his wallet is the real benefactor.

This man has fronted ‘disclosure projects’ to try and protect so called whistle blowers and has been making UFO conspiracy films since the 1990’s. Why would anyone then give him access to such a highly classified specimen as the one in “Sirius”? They know he will immediately broadcast it to the world (for a fee) so why invite such a person to view such classified material?

In short, it’s all made up for Mr Greer’s bank account

 
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“Everywhere life could form.”

Life can form everywhere. There is life in burning hot suns, lava, ice planets where no other life could survive, asteroids zooming a light speed through space. Do you know nothing of science? As iIve said before, you are an idiot half-witted individual.

“And how did you come to this conclusion, again?”

Well for one, if a species can not adapt to change, then it will be killed off very quickly. That’s just common god damn sense. I’m not going to continue this conversation. There’s no point trying to prove the most basic of science to a retard. Goodbye.

“Evolution says nothing about how life forms. It’s only concerned with how life evolves.”

And where did I say that evolution tells us how life is created? You are just as stupid as he is. I said life forms everywhere because of evolution. You do know what evolution is, right? I doubt it.

 
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Originally posted by DakotaDante:

Life can form everywhere. There is life in burning hot suns, lava, ice planets where no other life could survive, asteroids zooming a light speed through space. Do you know nothing of science?

Obviously not, becvause I’ve never heard this be label as scientific truth, so how do you know it is?

As iIve said before, you are an idiot half-witted individual.

Little redundant but whatever.

Well for one, if a species can not adapt to change, then it will be killed off very quickly. That’s just common god damn sense.

I was talking about how you came to the conclusion of how I know nothing of evolution and by extension, how you are the end-all be-all source of knowledge on the matter.

I’m not going to continue this conversation.

Yeah, don’t try to actually discuss something with something resembling patience, just insult people, that’ll be a great idea.

And where did I say that evolution tells us how life is created?

… Whenever you said evolution talks about how life forms! How is that not in any way talking abut how life is created?

You are just as stupid as he is.

Which “he”? EPR or the other guy who is not you?

I said life forms everywhere because of evolution.

And life forms is exactly the same as saying life is created. You have to realize that just because you think phrasing it one way works fine, doesn’t mean it actually does, you can make mistakes.

You do know what evolution is, right? I doubt it.

*sigh *

Humor me. Tell me exactly what you think it is, why, and if there’s anything verifiable backing you up when you say that life can form even if it’s never been shown that life could exist inside a star.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Ok people, explain this.

PDF from Sirious Disclosure website.

Is there a link that is not directly from that ufologist website? Like research data published by the university?



Originally posted by DakotaDante:
Originally posted by EPR89:
Evolution says nothing about how life forms. It’s only concerned with how life evolves.

And where did I say that evolution tells us how life is created? You are just as stupid as he is. I said life forms everywhere because of evolution. You do know what evolution is, right? I doubt it.

By evolution, life forms everywhere.
This is what you said.

I can only repeat myself: evolution tells us nothing about the creation of life. It doesn’t tell us how, where or when life can come to be. Evolution only deals with existing lifeforms and how they develop.
Maybe you meant something like: By evolution life spreads everywhere, and this is all just a misunderstanding?

And insults really do not help your arguments. If you think that people make points that are wrong then explain why you think that they are wrong.

 
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Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Ok people, explain this.

PDF from Sirious Disclosure website.

Is there a link that is not directly from that ufologist website? Like research data published by the university?

No.

According to Stanford University’s database, the university itself knows nothing about this Atacama Humanoid. I doubt any of their researchers have laid eyes upon it.

EDIT:

From Stanford University’s Microbiology and Immunology staff listing I found Dr. Gary Nolan. He is a cancer and immunology specialist. His list of published papers clearly show that the identification of ancient human remains is way outside his field of study. There is not a chance in hell, he was on any such team. It’s like a neurosurgeon leading an archeological dig with no prior training in archaeology. It’s just not going to happen.

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by thecartm:
Originally posted by thecartm:

Infinite Space * Infinite time before humanity = Infinite chance of alien life 2

Alien life is inevitable.

Where do you get the “infinite time before humanity” bit from, please? That does not mesh with the expanding universe models we have.

There is infinite time before humanity. There is no way to prove this is wrong or right. There is also infinite space, meaning if there was a 1 * 10 -9999999999999999999999999999999 percent chance of life times infinity space, there is infinite chance of life. Chance > 100% = Inevitable

 
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Originally posted by thecartm:

There is infinite time before humanity. There is no way to prove this is wrong or right.

So you’re just saying it is because it is.

Originally posted by thecartm:
Chance > 100% = Incorrect math

Fix’d.