dd, I’m glad ya “went there” in addressing samuro’s somewhat overly-simplistic point. Yes, on the surface…that very brief 2 minutes might seem very inconsequential (can one really enter the room, remove clothing to “present micturition device”, empty bladder, redress, wash hands, & leave in that amount of time)?
But, ya really hit the nail squarely on the head,,,,
and beat me to it at the same time.
I think I did point this out several pages ago, tho.
I have been at a urinal and seen men pass up using them & go into a stall to piss.
I’ve walked up to use a urinal, pissed away while the guy next to//nearby eventually just gave up without doing anything & walked away….so “shy” was he.
Which brings me to a thought that—I hope isn’t seen as a “challenge” to yours (and somewhat mine, too)—should be included in this issue. In our pluralistic society, we are going to have all manner of ppl w/ a very wide range of abilities. The thought: you can make ALL of the ppl happy SOME of the time; SOME of the ppl ALL of the time; but ya can’t make ALL of the ppl happy ALL of the time.
In trying to be fair to one group, ya’re probably going to end up being somewhat “harmful” to another….even if such is only for the exceptionally rare “2 minutes”. For this situation (while it really isn’t that feasible for all public establishments), I am seeing more & more of a “uni-gender” toilet right along w/ the typical men’s//women’s. Of course, this room accommodates only one person & is much smaller & (obviously…duh, lol) has a lock.
There is a corporation, Quick Trip, whose older units initially provided men’s restrooms w/ a lock & only the commode. Obviously, this arrangement served very poorly…mostly due to the well-intended fact that the unit (gasoline & “grab-&-go” items) operates around a very fast turnover of customers. I would see several men waiting to use the facility. I wouldn’t wait if the women’s wasn’t being used…I’d use it.
In their newer units, Quick Trip totally redesigned the men’s restroom: no lock on the door, a urinal & a commode in a stall. Their Gen-3 units have 3 urinals (a “shortie” for the small boys) and 2 stalls. However, they yet have not caught on the need for those who “require more privacy” & have installed the small uni-gender facility.
I wonder if this is because the corporate heads thought that even though they are now responding very well to their customer base’s needs….that very marginal group of “overly-sensitive” guys doesn’t merit the expenditure: need vs. cost. As ugly as it sounds, such is how large corporations operate. I guess they figure such guys are very few and/or their “issues” aren’t really all that great that they can’t “fit in” somehow——if they need to piss//crap all that badly.
NOW, to (somewhat?) contradict what I have just presented and show strong agreement w/ YOUR (dd) point. I have another old saw that also applies to those who are on the more “progressive” side of this issue in that they feel the use of a restroom by the very marginal group of transgenders (whether pre-op or post) SHOULD BE “allowed”: Having the right to do something doesn’t mean it IS right to do it.
This can be seen as a situation where the asshole “pushy” trannies who would flaunt this “right” need to reel it back a notch or two and have some respect for the situations others have to also cope with.
I hope that what I’ve presented above shows that while this “problem” is very (by degrees, of course) small…not all of the world (U.S. anyway) isn’t aware of it and is doing something about it. I wonder how other countries handle this issue?