Fat Acceptance

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So, I’m of the belief that a healthy mind and body are things that everyone should work for. When I see someone bulimic or anorexic I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for how misguided they are when it comes to being obsessed with skinniness, and their mistaking being thin for being attractive, healthy, etc.

However, there is another beast, that’s just as dangerous to a healthy body, mind, and spirit. Fat acceptance. It’s the belief that instead of solving a problem, it’s best to just accept it and pretend you can’t do anything about it. I suppose I can empathize to a small extent that it’s a coping mechanism with their body type, but unless they’re in the minority of obese members of society that have a medical condition which aboslutely can’t be solved no matter how much they diet and exercise, then fat acceptance does more harm than good. It’s a better philosophy to think that if you hate who you are, become who you’d love to be. No, that doesn’t mean destroy who you are, but if your the cause of your own problems, you can also be the solution.

How do you guys feel about the concept of fat acceptance?

 
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I don’t see the issue. If they are going to shorten their life span or live unhealthy it’s there choice and because of it they will probably have a lot more problems.

 
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IF they want to ruin their lives, it’s their own fucking problem.

 
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Originally posted by Immortal7777:

I don’t see the issue. If they are going to shorten their life span or live unhealthy it’s there choice and because of it they will probably have a lot more problems.

Originally posted by Helltank:

IF they want to ruin their lives, it’s their own fucking problem.

That is alot easier to say when you don’t live in a country with free health care and a broken benefits system.

Sadly in the UK if people want to be so fat they can’t work and need medical support then healthy working people pay for them to carry on being fat dole slobs

 
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Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:

I suppose I can empathize to a small extent that it’s a coping mechanism with their body type, but unless they’re in the minority of obese members of society that have a medical condition which aboslutely can’t be solved no matter how much they diet and exercise, then fat acceptance does more harm than good.

Its not just them. It also occurs to those with lower limb dysfunction, or a severe respiritory system dysfunction – uncontrolled asthma, bronchitis, emphysema, even pneumonia can make it hard (albeit this one is usually transitory).

If you cannot work your lower body to exercise properly or you cannot successfully breathe whilst your body is under stress, then you’re going to put on weight even if there’s nothing otherwise wrong with your metabolism. It doesn’t exactly help that specialised physio-exercise sessions to deal with such conditions are few, far between, and heavily overbooked.

You probably do realise this, but I’m just pointing out the affected groups are significantly larger than just those with a metabolic disorder.


It is a severe problem for much of the rest of the population. Partially the fault lies with cheaper food being far less healthy for you than the more expensive varieties – You can buy a McDonalds burger for yourself for less than £1. Good luck getting warm food containing meat for that price anywhere else (not that McD meat contains much actual meat).

Partially the fault lies with efforts to make slim beautiful and fat ugly. If an overweight person hates their body, they’ll frequently become depressed (especially if they lack the resources to do anything about it), and quite frequently eating is a coping mechanism to deal with depression. Very easy to become locked into a vicious cycle there. Exercise will help of course, but exercise doesn’t yield results very quickly, and if a person is depressed, they’re going to give up in despair long before results start to show, unless their exercise program is managed by a healthcare professional who can nag them to death about going – see previously-mentioned heavily overbooked services, with dietitians as part of mental health services added to the list, also heavily overbooked.

The rest of the fault lies with the overweight person themselves. They are far from blameless in the situation, even if they frequently don’t shoulder all the blame. How to get such people out of the spiral is a difficult proposition at best, but shaming them is absolutely not going to work. It’ll just make the problem worse.

 
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This post made me cringe a bit. Let’s try to understand why:

Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:

So, I’m of the belief that a healthy mind and body are things that everyone should work for.

Sounds good to me!

When I see someone bulimic or anorexic I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for how misguided they are when it comes to being obsessed with skinniness, and their mistaking being thin for being attractive, healthy, etc.

I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for how misguided the general public is when it comes to eating disorders. See how I used your own words there? What you are saying is a common stereotype. Eating disorders no longer come in “if you’re skinny you’re anorexic, if you throw up your bulimic, if you’re not skinny you’re EDNOS,” etc.

Funny story, they just got rid of EDNOS. Want to know why? They actually found that those who were being misdiagnosed with EDNOS were more likely to die compared to those who were diagnosed as anorexic/bulimic. Isn’t that strange? That those who were deemed of regular weight so they weren’t deemed “as serious” of a case actually ended up dying more?

You clearly have no idea on eating disorders. Sure, some people may have an eating disorder because they think being thinner is the better standard of beauty (but who doesn’t though? We have been forced into our subconsciousness on some level due to advertisement that thin women are beautiful, thin women are graceful, thin women are models, etc). However what you’re missing are the rest of those who have eating disorders. There are those who see their diet as a way to be “healthy” and there are those who have one because it gives them a sense of power, something that they can control (that no one else can).

Eating disorders can happen due to trauma, distress, abuse, depression, anxiety, etc. It’s not just because they think they want to look thin, eating disorders happen for a variety of reasons and saying that it’s only because of vanity is most definitely deadly. If those who were previously diagnosed as EDNOS had a higher chance for death then clearly we were missing out on a huge aspect of eating disorders until recently.

You cannot tell if someone has an eating disorder or not. Yes of course there are those who clearly look like they are underweight. But the majority of people with eating disorders actually are not underweight. Eating disorders stay with you for life. You can enter recovery. You can recover, in a sense. But at the back of your mind that eating disorder will always be there. There is more to eating disorders than bulimia and anorexia. Another thing you’re missing is that men have eating disorders too.

However, there is another beast, that’s just as dangerous to a healthy body, mind, and spirit. Fat acceptance. It’s the belief that instead of solving a problem, it’s best to just accept it and pretend you can’t do anything about it.

Maybe what you don’t understand is that there is a double edge to this. Marketing overall tells the public that thin women and men with muscle are the ideal type: healthy bodies, minds, and spirits. However is that type of body actually achievable? No, it is not. What you’re looking at when you see advertisement is a myriad of countless editing, retouches, sometimes actually erasing parts of a body to slim it down, etc. Then there is the other campaign that tells women to “love who they are” or the “women have curves” campaign. However then most people actually start bashing the other side of the weight spectrum.

I don’t think honestly anyone accepts who they are, “thin” or “large,” everyone has their own insecurities. You can definitely parade during the day that women should be of all sizes but at the end of the day you can go home and think, “I wish I was like _____ from _____ today.” I mean, are you going to try to say that men don’t think that too? Men clearly think just the same as women do on the same issue.

No one just “pretends” they can’t do anything about it, a person due to financial/economic status, job(s) status, and a variety of other issues can lead them to be “unable” to find time to workout. If you are working 12 hour shifts every day, are socio-economically lower class, I would highly doubt that person would be able to buy organic fresh food and cook daily instead of going to McDonalds which would be a 5 minute drive from where they are. I highly doubt that they’d have time to exercise if they have 12 hour shifts; The exhaustion from their job only further distances them from this “healthy” living style that advertisements have created.

No one just pretends they can’t do anything about it and accept it, that person most likely internalizes the fact that they are not of societies standard of beauty daily.

I suppose I can empathize to a small extent that it’s a coping mechanism with their body type, but unless they’re in the minority of obese members of society that have a medical condition which aboslutely can’t be solved no matter how much they diet and exercise, then fat acceptance does more harm than good.

I would say that any type of “fat shaming” or “thin shaming” does more harm than good. Back to what I was saying about EDNOS and other eating disorders, you do not have to be thin to have an eating disorder. It is actually worse if you do not appear to have an eating disorder and have one because doctors have a much lower chance of catching it.

Let me tell you a story as to why I think you shouldn’t judge a person by how they look.

I used to work in retail for one and a half years. At one point I was working in the plus size women’s department. One time I had this customer–they were most definitely overweight. She asked me if I could find a shirt for her in a different size. It ended up being that I would help her for an hour picking shirts from sizes 1X-3X (she fit better in the 2X and 3X shirts). I actually enjoyed helping her but what puzzled me was that she was completely happy with her body. She let me–an associate–see her in her bra as she would change shirt after shirt.

I was definitely puzzled as to what could give this woman so much joy.

While checking her out it came to be that I would find out her life story. Her entire family was obese. She told me that her family all had to be connected to tubes because they were fat enough that they could no longer walk. She did not want that life style so she began losing weight.

She had lost over 150 lbs by the time I had met her. The fact that I judged her for being larger made me feel ashamed that I did not even think of her life story before I judged her. She was proud that she lost that much weight and I definitely congratulated her on it. She is the one customer I have never forgotten (which if you have worked in retail, you know that it’s rare) and probably never will.

Society tells us to judge how one appears before you get to know them. Most likely anyone who has walked by her thought that she should lose weight, that she was too large for society, etc. But what they never knew or asked was that she lost 150 lbs for herself, not for others, herself.

You cannot judge by how someone looks if they have an eating disorder, nor can you tell if that person is trying to become healthy and lose weight. You can’t tell that until you actually talk to them and get to know them.

It’s a better philosophy to think that if you hate who you are, become who you’d love to be. No, that doesn’t mean destroy who you are, but if your the cause of your own problems, you can also be the solution.

How do you guys feel about the concept of fat acceptance?

That is the worst [expletive] I have ever heard of. Society pressures us to hate ourselves enough as it is and stuff like that just makes it worse. You’re saying “don’t destroy who you are” but then you’re saying “become who you’d love to be.” Hypocritical much?

That also can be triggering for those with eating disorders. Let’s think of it this way, if you’re the cause of your own problems then that must mean that the weight you are at means it is your fault. So if you can be the solution that must mean finding unhealthy ways to lose that weight. Not everyone can become who they want to be. If I could become what I would want to be, I’d suddenly grow 7" and have a bigger chest. But that’s never going to happen, that’s unrealistic. That entire “philosophy” is unrealistic because not everyone can just "become who [you’d] love to be].

I’m actually late for my orchestra rehearsals so I’ll edit this post with what I think about the concept of fat acceptance later.

If you feel like responding back, feel free to message me on Kongregate because I’m avoiding my 1k post until after I finish my 1k thread. Otherwise check my edits on this post. Thanks for reading!

 
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Fat people are disgusting. Sure there are good people who are fat, but only because they have other qualities that make up for it; if they were not fat they would be an even better person.
And I don’t buy the “no time to cook” thing. Just cook a bunch of rice, beans and chicken on the morning and put it in the fridge, you’ll have food for the whole day or even the next 2 days.
And if you dont have money for gym, just do bodyweight exercises. You wont get ripped but it’s still better than nothing.

 
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I would just like to add that people who got fat as kids because their parents didn’t fed them right, have my full sympathy (and those parents deserve a good whipping for messing with a child like that). But if you got fat while older already then you have no excuse.

 
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Yes, there are a lot of “fat” ppl.
Yes, there are a lot of “poor” ppl.
Yes, shitty, high-calorie food is typically cheaper,,,
easier to “prepare”, and sooooo heavily"promoted" by the fast-food industry that one would likely feel un-American if they didn’t buy the body-poisoning crap.

 
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Originally posted by MmeBunneh:Long wall of text

Okay, let me explain some stuff to you. I was trying not to get off topic with the concept of eating disorders, but it seems you want to put a generous helping of words into my mouth.
I’m trying to promote people being at a healthy body weight. I brought up eating disorders as an example of people being wrong with what a “healthy” body type is.

However what you’re missing are the rest of those who have eating disorders. There are those who see their diet as a way to be “healthy” and there are those who have one because it gives them a sense of power, something that they can control (that no one else can).

Again, I didn’t want to get huge into eating disorders in the OP, but if you’re so hell bent on pushing the discussion that direction, okay. I was using eating disorders as an example of people being misguided on what’s “healthy” not promoting anorexia.
Maybe what you don’t understand is that there is a double edge to this. Marketing overall tells the public that thin women and men with muscle are the ideal type: healthy bodies, minds, and spirits. However is that type of body actually achievable? No, it is not.

Not that I’m saying everyone should adhere to the most specific body type Hollywood jams down our throats, but people saying “I’ll never be pretty so why even try to be all that I can be” is just plain pathetic.
I don’t think honestly anyone accepts who they are, “thin” or “large,” everyone has their own insecurities.

True, and that should motivate them to fulfill what the person they think they should be.
I mean, are you going to try to say that men don’t think that too? Men clearly think just the same as women do on the same issue.

Not at all, in fact the issue applies to men as well as women.
No one just “pretends” they can’t do anything about it, a person due to financial/economic status, job(s) status, and a variety of other issues can lead them to be “unable” to find time to workout.

Knocking out 10 pushups doesn’t take more than a minute (I hope) and if you can work that into your schedule at regular intervals. You don’t need to set aside a 2 hour block of time every day to work out, even if you decide to regularly go to the gym, you only need to make about 3 hours per week. I recommend not even getting a gym membership, though, unless it’s for the social aspect. You’ll save money and you don’t need to make a special trip, and you don’t feel like people are watching you at all.
would highly doubt that person would be able to buy organic fresh food and cook daily instead of going to McDonalds which would be a 5 minute drive from where they are.

You don’t need to go all out to just eat healthy. You can eat beans and rice to get your protein and carbs, and it would still save you money as opposed to going to McDonalds. True it may take another 5 minutes to prepare your meal, and then wash up afterwards, but don’t pretend that eating out is a good way to save yourself money.
The exhaustion from their job only further distances them from this “healthy” living style that advertisements have created.

Don’t even try to justify laziness. Just don’t. Trust me, I’ve worked 14 hour+ days, and still had energy to work out. If you’re “too exhausted” every day, you’re just making excuses.
No one just pretends they can’t do anything about it and accept it, that person most likely internalizes the fact that they are not of societies standard of beauty daily.

Yes they do. They don’t acknowledge it, outwardly or internally, but they do.
It is actually worse if you do not appear to have an eating disorder and have one because doctors have a much lower chance of catching it.

You keep going back to telling me I think that eating disorders are a good thing. I don’t. Not sure how I can make this any clearer. Here, I’ll put it in bold so you stop using that. I DO NOT THINK THAT EATING DISORDERS ARE GOOD. There, now we can bury that hatchet.
While checking her out it came to be that I would find out her life story. Her entire family was obese. She told me that her family all had to be connected to tubes because they were fat enough that they could no longer walk. She did not want that life style so she began losing weight.

That’s a story I can respect. She didn’t want to be obese, so she decided she would do something about it. I do remember posting in the OP, however, that I wasn’t directing this thread at those who are unable to lose weight, but rather those who choose not to.
Society tells us to judge how one appears before you get to know them

No, it doesn’t. Society tells us to accept everyone and be rainbows and love. Instinct teaches us otherwise. Stop trying to blame problems on society as a whole.
You’re saying “don’t destroy who you are” but then you’re saying “become who you’d love to be.” Hypocritical much?

Not really, you can remain largely who you are while still striving to improve yourself. Why do I have to be at one extreme or the other?
So if you can be the solution that must mean finding unhealthy ways to lose that weight.

No it doesn’t. You’re obviously just trying to say that in order to shy from one extreme, one must go to the other extreme.

 
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Originally posted by Helltank:

IF they want to ruin their lives, it’s their own fucking problem.

It’s a (typically) immature remark, but I agree with the sentiment. I’m uncertain if you have a problem with fat/skinny people in general or just with the illogic of fat acceptance. I’m betting on the latter, however, neither is of any particular business of yours, is it? I mean, if it’s a tax thing, fine, but you mention it nowhere in the OP, so it’s not that. Are you a fat person, or formerly fat, and you got skinny and now you don’t like social coddling of your former fat peers? That would be rather petty IMO.

Or, in fact, do you have any vested interest in the matter whatsoever, apart from a stated belief that people should be healthy? Personally, I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for people who are obsessed with society running ‘logically’ (that is, according to their value standards), and being frustrated when it doesn’t comply.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:
Originally posted by Helltank:

IF they want to ruin their lives, it’s their own fucking problem.

It’s a (typically) immature remark, but I agree with the sentiment. I’m uncertain if you have a problem with fat/skinny people in general or just with the illogic of fat acceptance. I’m betting on the latter, however, neither is of any particular business of yours, is it? I mean, if it’s a tax thing, fine, but you mention it nowhere in the OP, so it’s not that. Are you a fat person, or formerly fat, and you got skinny and now you don’t like social coddling of your former fat peers? That would be rather petty IMO.

Or, in fact, do you have any vested interest in the matter whatsoever, apart from a stated belief that people should be healthy? Personally, I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for people who are obsessed with society running ‘logically’ (that is, according to their value standards), and being frustrated when it doesn’t comply.

Apparently I don’t need to post.

 
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Fat doesn’t kill people.
High cholestrol and heart attack do.

 
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Fat people need to be unapologetically shamed to stop their bad habits. We need to institute a fat tax. Anyone in or around the overweight or obesity range needs to be taxed extra every time they eat by logging it on the glitchy obamacare website. It needs to be in the public records so people can see who is getting fatter and start shaming them to start losing weight.

This is a tough policy but it will be for the greater good.

 
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Or, in fact, do you have any vested interest in the matter whatsoever, apart from a stated belief that people should be healthy? Personally, I can’t help but feel a little bit of pity and a little bit of disgust for people who are obsessed with society running ‘logically’ (that is, according to their value standards), and being frustrated when it doesn’t comply.

Mostly that people should be healthy. On a less obvious note, I insurance, but true, not really the central issue. What’s wrong with a society running logically? I’m not on some power trip trying to get everyone to comply with what I believe, simply asking people what makes them think it’s a healthy attitude to be happy living an unhealthy lifestyle.

I’m uncertain if you have a problem with fat/skinny people in general or just with the illogic of fat acceptance. I’m betting on the latter, however, neither is of any particular business of yours, is it?

Smart bet. Maybe it’s not any business of mine, but it is sad to see people just give up and accept a problem instead of look for a solution.

Apparently I don’t need to post.

Then why did you?

 
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I thought I would pass this along as it fits right in (interesting little post about “healthy obesity”). Essentially, it points out looking at someone overweight and saying “You’re unhealthy!” is far too simplistic.

Or, in fact, do you have any vested interest in the matter whatsoever, apart from a stated belief that people should be healthy?

Online already touched on this, but yes it is my concern. If the government is going to mandate everyone have health insurance (and that insurance companies cover everyone), then people who have unhealthy lifestyles make the patient pool sicker. Sicker pool means higher premiums for me. I don’t want to pay higher premiums. If you want to smoke, drink heavily, or eat a half dozen McChickens three days a week, that’s your choice – just don’t be wildly offended if people resent you making their insurance more expensive.


Yes, there are a lot of “fat” ppl.
Yes, there are a lot of “poor” ppl.
Yes, shitty, high-calorie food is typically cheaper,,,
easier to “prepare”, and sooooo heavily"promoted" by the fast-food industry that one would likely feel un-American if they didn’t buy the body-poisoning crap.

Totally disagree with this. A bowl of cereal or oatmeal is, what, $.40 cost in the morning? Making a PB sandwich for lunch is available for pennies as well. For dinner, things like canned vegetables and many cuts of chicken are incredibly cheap (or whatever bulk quantitiy your meat department has on sale that week). Cooking yourself is almost always cheaper than eating out. Things like rice and beans (online mentioned those too) are super cheap and super filling. This myth that healthy food is super expensive and poor people only have access to the dregs of the food pyramid needs to end.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:


Yes, shitty, high-calorie food is typically cheaper,,,
easier to “prepare”, and sooooo heavily"promoted" by the fast-food industry that one would likely feel un-American if they didn’t buy the body-poisoning crap.

The thing about this is that even doing a little bit of reading online allows you to find cheap and near enough instant healthy food. And if somebody is really obese they can cut down the amount they are eating and spend their money on less, but healthier food.

And it sucks that the industries promote misinformation etc. However it isn’t too hard to inform yourself on whats healthy and not and adjust your diet accordingly.

 
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What extaly do you mean by fat acceptance? Like when one is fat but doesn’t care?

 
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Originally posted by Cwovictor:

What extaly do you mean by fat acceptance? Like when one is fat but doesn’t care?

The movement that promotes that fat people should not be criticised or discriminated against for being fat pretty much. It’s a pretty tiny movement as far as I know, just that a certain imageboard likes to blow things like this out of proportion by posting every extremist post they can find.

 
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So OP, are you saying that fat people should not be accepted? That they should be discriminated against, looked down upon, or viewed as inferior?

 
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Originally posted by fma1:

So OP, are you saying that fat people should not be accepted? That they should be discriminated against, looked down upon, or viewed as inferior?

Maybe i worded it too harshly but this makes it sound alot worse than it is.

 
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I like how one of the only ways to get conservatives to want to help other people be healthier is to tie their bank account to the situation.

 
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Correct – I’m not much of a humanitarian and even with my bank account tied to unhealthy people in Mississippi, I still don’t really care all that much about them. I just resent them a little bit more.

 
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Originally posted by TheBSG:

I like how one of the only ways to get conservatives to want to help other people be healthier is to tie their bank account to the situation.

I guess that makes me a conservative. On the whole I don’t think it is anyone’s damn business unless it’s due to health insurance/health care. Societies don’t run logically because people don’t run logically and I see no point in attempting to impose order through such narrow bands. Apart from that it’s one more example of how some people (especially on the internet) will blindly swear that more logic is always better, not realizing how ridiculous that becomes when applied to the macro level for human beings.

However as I pointed out, the health insurance reason is not in the OP at all, so until online admitted to it later, there didn’t seem to be any good reason for him to care.

The idea that people should want to help other people because of reasons outside the realm of their personal self-interest (apart from exceptional cases like individual charity, seeing a crime committed, etc) is probably the silliest of them all. It’s something that’s preached alot as an ‘ought to do’ but is rarely if ever followed up on.

 
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