Is God really real? page 8

^ You didn’t claim it explicitly, but it was implied by your “dictation” that God s “only as real as someone believes him to be.”
Correct me if i’m wrong. Unless you were speaking metaphorically- of which I highly doubt. The literal transcript reveals that message.

I think we’re talking about the God of the Jews and Christians- the deity of Abraham as mentioned in the Bible.

In that case: Yahweh cannot exist, at least not as commonly believed.

Yes. =3

the world is going to an end. A new world is coming. This world has been abandoned by God. But if you believe in Jesus that he has risen from the dead and paid for the sins of the world with His blood, your body might be destroyed but you’ll keep on living in love independent from this world.

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

the world is going to an end. A new world is coming. This world has been abandoned by God. But if you believe in Jesus that he has risen from the dead and paid for the sins of the world with His blood, your body might be destroyed but you’ll keep on living in love independent from this world.

Error: Critical lack of proof detected!

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

the world is going to an end. A new world is coming. This world has been abandoned by God. But if you believe in Jesus that he has risen from the dead and paid for the sins of the world with His blood, your body might be destroyed but you’ll keep on living in love independent from this world.

Why do I need to believe in him if my sins have already been paid for?

sleepallnight: Jesus expected the world to end in his lifetime, as has every other fervent believer. Also, I reject the doctrine of sin; it is unjust and somewhere between a confidence trick and a protection racket. Kindly take your preaching elsewhere; it’s unproductive here.

Originally posted by 404WindStalker:

Where have I claimed that I know this “God” does not exist? I am merely led to believe what I do given my standard of evidence; faith, scripture, and testimony/anecdote are inadmissible.

Just so we’re clear: which “God” is this thread asking about?

I’m thinking it’s the Christian/hebrew God. We don’t know God’s name therefor we simply call him/it God.

The Bible is real and God is also real we know the Bible is real because its not just from one author? its from
hundreads and hundreads of authors from a span of 2630 BC and 1225 AD and the Old Testimont and the New Testimont and that Jesus died on the cross for (OUR) sins and rose again on the third day aka (Resurretion Sunday aka Easter Sunday is real and if you do not believe that then get up from the computer right now go outside and i want you to look at the trees, sky, and dirt and you think to yourself could all of this have been a “Accident” could this have revoled
by soom coincidence? or could a humanhave made this I think not this world is so beautiful that its really hard to imagine that anyone could have made it so not a acciedent and not a coincidence and we have thousands of pages of proof that talks just about God THE one and only God? and there are so many martyrs that gave there life for Christ not for some “fake” no.. for the Savior the one who died for you and me?. when you really think about it that way, and you ponder it its truly amazing that someone you dont really yet know can love you more than anyone else you’ll ever know and knows how many hair are on your head? I would like you to go to your local Christian book store and buy a Bible and I want you read that for awile and when your comfortable you can go to your local Babtist church and and I hope that God will touch your heart and he will work in your life like he has done in mine that you may know Jesus as you personal Savior, Friend, and Maker thank you for reading this

Originally posted by DigYou:

The Bible is real and God is also real we know the Bible is real because its not just from one author?

That… Makes no sense.

its from
hundreads and hundreads of authors from a span of 2630 BC and 1225 AD and the Old Testimont and the New Testimont and that Jesus died on the cross for (OUR) sins and rose again on the third day aka (Resurretion Sunday aka Easter Sunday is real and if you do not believe that then get up from the computer right now go outside and i want you to look at the trees, sky, and dirt and you think to yourself could all of this have been a “Accident” could this have revoled
by soom coincidence?

1. Use more punctuation.

2. The “this can’t be an accident” card has been pulled multiple times, and each time it’s used it’s been refuted.

or could a humanhave made this

Arguments tend to be better when you can understand them.

I think not this world is so beautiful that its really hard to imagine that anyone could have made it so not a acciedent and not a coincidence and we have thousands of pages of proof that talks just about God THE one and only God?

Are you intentionally being illiterate so no-one can actually argue with you?

Also, false, and Bible =/= proof.

and there are so many martyrs that gave there life for Christ not for some “fake” no.. for the Savior the one who died for you and me?.

>implying there are only martyrs for Christianity

Yeah, no.

when you really think about it that way, and you ponder it its truly amazing that someone you dont really yet know can love you more than anyone else you’ll ever know and knows how many hair are on your head? I would like you to go to your local Christian book store and buy a Bible and I want you read that for awile and when your comfortable you can go to your local Babtist church and and I hope that God will touch your heart and he will work in your life like he has done in mine that you may know Jesus as you personal Savior, Friend, and Maker thank you for reading this

… For some reason I take offense to this.

Originally posted by DigYou:

Alright, first of all, argument from ignorance. All of that. That’s not a valid argument for anything. Especially when this anything goes against everything we know (as in know, not as in believe, which you seem to confuse with know) about the world today.

Secondly, buying a bible. Are you freaking nuts? What would Jesus say if he saw you making a profit from his message to the world. You have reserved yourself a place in hell already.

When the universe didn’t exist, when there was a singularity point, there could be no time. Time exists in our universe. With no time, there’s nothing that can happen. How then did god create the world? How could there be a god when there was nothing?

^God is transcendent. He is not restrained by mortal constraints. Well, wasn’t that obvious?

o_O Is “he” constrained by physics? If not, then he denies physics, something that he supposedly made. he’s going against himself.

They are still debating the reliability of Big Bang, and some scientists still reject the notion of there was infinite past. They believe that if there were such as infinite past then our current state should be formless. This shows that in the future the world would be formless.
But God is the designer and the source of all the workings of all the laws including laws of physics in reality, by His initiative there would be a new world new body and the resurrection of the dead.

Now if from the very beginning existence could be, how come now we are clueless on how to become a part of love? I mean how come now we don’t know what rules should we obey in order to dance lovely with other laws in the universe? The answer must be we have lost the ability somewhere in the past… just like what’s written in the bible.
If this intelligent universe created by God, why couldn’t God connect with us intelligent beings, if I read the bible I see that it answers it, God really is real, he Has and still connecting with us.

@EPR89

Why do I need to believe in him if my sins have already been paid for?

Because it’s God who paid for the sins, not you or me. The next step is to become a family of God. Independent from God, we can’t sufficiently give thanks to everyone, could you repay your parents for all they’ve done for you? Could you repay Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Jesus, Budha, Gandhi, Louis Pasteur, and others for the benefits we enjoy? We must face the fact that we have no sufficient abilities to maintain our sources of solutions appropriately, if we could then we don’t have to face this problems of global warming, scarcity, and else.
The scarcity of the world is not of time, nor energy, nor money, but of mutual solutions. Therefore we actually could have limitless richness, but we couldn’t because we haven’t been able to properly maintained our sources of solutions.

If Jesus chose to stay alive, He would/would’ve exterminated all evil and made this world lovely again. He is the King who could discover and realize a state of zero decay, in my terms zero entropy. But in the process he would have to exterminate all sinful humans as well. He chose to die so that God could miss him, and if God miss somebody the person would become real. After that Jesus will say to God, I’m incomplete without my disciples, and so automatically God will miss the followers of Jesus to.

More questions or criticism please? (and I know my grammar sucks why can’t English be more like Bahasa Indonesia, just spit all the vocabs then most likely you’ll get a good working sentence… hahaha jk English is supposed to be very efficient if you know how to use it properly)

Yeah, I see a load of stuff about god being awesome without any scientific/credible proof to back it up.

These arguments will be repeated on Kongregate forever. We should just have one 7,523 page thread instead. :/

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Yeah, I see a load of stuff about god being awesome without any scientific/credible proof to back it up.

Why atheists have to claim that their interpretation of proofs are scientific and others are not? It’s an interpretation, no one can prove common descent yet nor uncommon ancestry has been proven wrong.

Uh, what?

I don’t get what you’re saying. At all.

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Uh, what?

I don’t get what you’re saying. At all.

The proof is there in the world around you and in the school textbooks.

Originally posted by Sleepallnight:

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Uh, what?

I don’t get what you’re saying. At all.

The proof is there in the world around you and in the school textbooks.

Cite the source please.

The bible is does not fall under proof. And I also fail to see why ‘’looking around’’ will show me proof of a god.

Evolution as an interpretation, and school textbooks as proof, or something like that, I’ll try to really get into in a big post. I just need to take a few days to organize my thoughts on this notepad here…

Originally posted by WwarMmachine:

Evolution as an interpretation, and school textbooks as proof, or something like that, I’ll try to really get into in a big post. I just need to take a few days to organize my thoughts on this notepad here…

Evolution as adaptation is fact. But atheist used to have a different interpretation of evolution, only after they changed the definition then there’s no debate against it. So I said uncommon ancestry is not yet proven to be wrong, instead of saying evolution is wrong. Common ancestry is just an interpretation of the facts, yes.

Edit: Adaptation is behavioral not genetics, evolutionists in the time of darwin used to think that creatures could alter the essence, or now we recognize the essence as genetic codes, of their kind. Now we know that the causes of the variations/mutations are independent from the ancestors’ survival purposes.

Let me try to expand on this… I may repeat this on another post… Let’s say we sorted out every scientifically fact around us, or at least what people know so far, into groups of cards. Every little stack showed we can see and every possibility (from what we can come up with our science in this day and age) of what this thing could mean. If we looked at every stack and reorganized them into patterns and threw out some of the cards (and Atheistic scientists always reject the cards with God involved) until we got stacks of cards that made good or at least descent sense together, could we do this several times?

go to your local Babtist church

Why can’t I be roman catholic?

The Bible is real and God is also real

The arguments you give for this:

1. There is more than one author.
2. It is not supposed to be possible that the universe was formed in any other way.

The first one is easily dismissed by saying I can get a group of friends together to write a story. The second one is easily dismissed by then asking how you know that (since all you do is say “any other way is impossible!”). If you know it from the Bible, then you’re using circular reasoning.

Why atheists have to claim that their interpretation of proofs are scientific and others are not?

First of all, stop using “atheists” there. It is simply not the right concept. Second, something is found to be scientific if it doesn’t conflict with science. Rules are set up for this. If you don’t follow these rules, you’re not performing science.