would a artificial human have rights?

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Lets say it’s 20XX and man has found a way to artificially make humans down to the last detail. meaning they can feel pain, love, hate, learn ect
do you think they would have rights? why or why not?

 
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The real question is why would we do that? After all the procces of making a new human is fairly simple (a bit time and resource consuming before adulthood but still) And itś hardly like we are moving towards a future with to few humans in it.

 
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thijser, it’s not a problem of how many (quantity) humans are in our future, it is a factor the quality of them….reduced disease susceptibility, elimination of genetic maladies, etc. We are largely talking about genetic engineering something along the line of old-fashioned selective breeding to produce a more desirable crop/herd.

There are thousands of genetic goof-ups that could be corrected….maybe every easily in the future—20XX.

But, 15man is likely talking about androids; something that doesn’t come from an existing life form, that is something altogether different than the above. He is proposing we invent a very complex machine….one that isn’t ALIVE.

I ask this: would this machine still be OWNED by someone?
If so, we likely could give it rights that only befit its property value.

However, this movie from this book very well addresses this “problem”.

 
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Originally posted by 15man:

Lets say it’s 20XX and man has found a way to artificially make humans down to the last detail. meaning they can feel pain, love, hate, learn ect
do you think they would have rights? why or why not?

We actually already can. We just duplicate Genes but, this is HIGHLY illegal! But, let me answer your question with another question, when the whites found the blacks, did they have equal rights??? No. So I think that they wouldn’t for a long time but, maybe some day.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

thijser, it’s not a problem of how many (quantity) humans are in our future, it is a factor the quality of them….reduced disease susceptibility, elimination of genetic maladies, etc. We are largely talking about genetic engineering something along the line of old-fashioned selective breeding to produce a more desirable crop/herd.


There are thousands of genetic goof-ups that could be corrected….maybe every easily in the future—20XX.


But, 15man is likely talking about androids; something that doesn’t come from an existing life form, that is something altogether different than the above. He is proposing we invent a very complex machine….one that isn’t ALIVE.


I ask this: would this machine still be OWNED by someone?
If so, we likely could give it rights that only befit its property value.


However, this movie from this book very well addresses this “problem”.

Yes but those genetic “goof ups” (mutations) are how we adapt. You never know if one day a disaster will strike and those with the mutation will survive and those without it wont. So making these artificial people could in reality make us much more susceptible to diseases and such.

 
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…when the whites found the blacks, did they have equal rights??? No.

Some of them had equal enough rights to become Roman Emperors.

 
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no because CROWS will not be giving their human slaves any rights :>>>

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

…when the whites found the blacks, did they have equal rights??? No.

Some of them had equal enough rights to become Roman Emperors.

facedesk talkin about when White Americans found blacks and made them work on plantations. lols :)

Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

no because CROWS will not be giving their human slaves any rights :>>>

No no my friend you have it backwards, The humans don’t give their slave crows any rights :P

 
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beauval, I told ya that you should have put out the extra bucks and gotten that Mind-reading Chip at your last refitting.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

beauval, I told ya that you should have put out the extra bucks and gotten that Mind-reading Chip at your last refitting.

He can have it, but it’s not going to do him a lot of good. Implanted in beauval’s head, it’ll read his own thoughts as opposed to anybody else’s. (oh and yes, such devices do exist)


As to the OP, I’m assuming they’re referring to organic humans, as opposed to embodied artificial intelligences. The OP’s too nebulous to really tell, but ‘exact in every detail’ would tend to suggest genetics.

It’s quite possible we may at some point decide to create a being with an engineered genome. Think Gattaca here. Or the Outer Limits episode with the same theme but a different take on it whose name eludes me. Using gene engineering to create smarter, stronger humans. A species to replace homo sapiens sapiens as the dominant lifeform on the planet.

Certainly doable from a pure science perspective, but from a rights perspective, they will probably start out with equal rights as designer babies, then have that status questioned as their physical and/or mental superiority becomes more and more obvious. Ultimately there would come an ‘interesting time’ when the issue of whether such beings should still be classified as humans, the equal to humans as they are slowly edging untampered, ‘pure’ humans out of every field, and thus pose a threat to humanity as it were.

I can quite easily see a near-future world with three ‘separate’ species sharing a common genetic profile, sharing this world.

  • ‘Natural’ untampered with humans evolving blindly the old-fashioned way
  • Highly genetically engineered specimens with enhanced bodily control, muscle density, reworked spinal structure and genius-level intellect as standard
  • Technologically augmented individuals with inorganic parts replacing part or all of the original body, members drawn from both the above camps.

As both the latter groups are intrinsically going to have capabilities well above those in the first group, it’ll come down to number distributions, as to whether the latter two groups keep equal rights, or have those rights more and more brazenly contested by old-fashioned humans who fear they are losing their place at the top of the food chain; becoming obsolescent. A fear-based reaction to beings with far more capability than they, competing for the same jobs and living in the same environs as they.

 
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If you’ve got any memory chips, I’ll take a few. And if someone builds an android, he’ll be needing some.

 
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Are we talking about people who are the product of genetic design, like something out of Blade Runner or highly sophisticated androids?

Either way, I would probably support their rights to humane accommodation as I would a normal human. If they were done precise enough, would we even know the difference?

 
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Probably yes, unless you’re conservative guy, who thinks true AI can’t be created, because he was told so by certain institution.

Revolution, anyway. I would support AI-kind.


While I think, we would fight for AI’s rights, I don’t have 100% certainty… we could always ignore designing true AI’s or treat them like slaves forever (in some kind of galactic dystopia).

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

If you’ve got any memory chips, I’ll take a few. And if someone builds an android, he’ll be needing some.

If only. They haven’t advanced to the level required to interface long-term with the human hippocampus yet, anyway. Soon as they do, I’ll let you know (Well, soon after, since the shorter the waiting line to get one, the better I like it).

An android or gynoid brain has the advantage there; there’s no existing wetware that their artificial memory has to interface with. Which means scar tissue buildup and implant rejection aren’t problems they have to deal with. Their memory will be designed to function optimumly with their brains.


Originally posted by yeasy:

Probably yes, unless you’re conservative guy, who thinks true AI can’t be created, becouse he was told so by certain institution.

What are you referencing, please?

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

If you’ve got any memory chips, I’ll take a few. And if someone builds an android, he’ll be needing some.

Get in line, bub.
I’ve been in it for…for…hmmmmm… damn, I forget how long.
 
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Originally posted by 15man:

Lets say it’s 20XX and man has found a way to artificially make humans down to the last detail. meaning they can feel pain, love, hate, learn ect
do you think they would have rights? why or why not?

This will not happen because everyone would be afraid they would have rights.

 
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Originally posted by 15man:

Lets say it’s 20XX and man has found a way to artificially make humans down to the last detail. meaning they can feel pain, love, hate, learn ect
do you think they would have rights? why or why not?

We have rights?
But on a serious note, perhaps. Probably not as much exercised.

 
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See Bicentennial Man starring the late Robin Williams. It’s a movie about one robot’s quest to become completely human.

 
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Originally posted by Aleazor:

See Bicentennial Man starring the late Robin Williams. It’s a movie about one robot’s quest to become completely human.

Saw it (several times), loved it, highly recommend it…because its time definitely will come.
 
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I think that if this ever happens, then no, we should just exterminate all artificial humans. This may sound harsh but first off, they are just a pointless contribution to overpopulation. Although, if we ever get advanced enough to make an artificial human that is the exact same we will have probably overcome overpopulation via colonizing other planets. If this is the case then we should still exterminate all artificial humans if we ever allow them into society because it is completely pointless, in fact it is really cruel. Just think about it, if you knew that every emotion you ever felt is because of what happened in a lab then you would just feel worthless and depressed and then you would think that THOSE emotions are simulated and then that these thoughts are simulated etc etc. Imagine on the flip-side, if you were in a relationship with someone who is perfect for you and then you find out that they are lab-made. You will be so upset to find out that ‘the one’ isn’t even a biological being. the only possible advantage to an artificial human is for lonely people, but if they are kept only for lonely people and they have human emotions then they will feel like tools, and if you take out the emotions that they would feel if used like that then the lonely people would be more aware that they aren’t talking to a human.

So to sum it all up, we should never make these things and if we do we should immediately get rid of them all.

 
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Originally posted by 15man:

Lets say it’s 20XX and man has found a way to artificially make humans down to the last detail. meaning they can feel pain, love, hate, learn ect
do you think they would have rights? why or why not?

A Dumb question from a dumb brony.