Communism Vs. Capitalism

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Discuss which is a better system, and why it is better.

 
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Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Capitalism the trade and marketing are owned by a select few. Anytime something is owned by a select few people this obviously means that they have most of the power. Since the marketing and trade isn’t controlled by the government, many items and supplies can easily get through into that country. This is great for war, but can cause many internal conflicts. Capitalism is by far flawed as well.

Since it is a select few owning the power, this can also easily lead to a monarchy or a Dictatorship where one person/representative has all of the power. This also is never good if the ruler has evil intentions.

Each system has its flaws but, I do feel that there are far better choices that these to for a government.

PS: Sup its ethan :D

 
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Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

 
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Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

That still doesn’t change my point that some people would still have more land than the majority giving them more power.

W-w-well Du its hitman HAH! :P

 
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Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

But then there is no reason to work harder if it won’t get me ahead. That’s why the system is ineffective, work ethic is at an all time low.

 
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Originally posted by Immortal7777:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

But then there is no reason to work harder if it won’t get me ahead. That’s why the system is ineffective, work ethic is at an all time low.

Yes, it is still flawed, by all means.

 
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Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by Immortal7777:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

But then there is no reason to work harder if it won’t get me ahead. That’s why the system is ineffective, work ethic is at an all time low.

Yes, it is still flawed, by all means.

Every government system is flawed though. Maybe one day we can find a perfect one.

 
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Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by Immortal7777:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

But then there is no reason to work harder if it won’t get me ahead. That’s why the system is ineffective, work ethic is at an all time low.

Yes, it is still flawed, by all means.

Every government system is flawed though. Maybe one day we can find a perfect one.

Thats literally impossible just because of human nature, and how everyone has different opinions. Its basically like trying to create a eutopia, we all wish it, but it cant happen.

 
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Lol, yeah I guess :P

 
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Communism and capitalism are actually quite compatible, and the best systems seem to be a hybrid of them.

Consider if you will, a cooperative firm where every member owns an equal share of the business, and has a direct incentive to do their best to grow the business as it benefits them directly. Quite common in small village firms, and some smaller supermarkets.

That cooperative is then one firm of many all vying for business in a capitalistic system.

At the top of that capitalistic system, the local government regulates what businesses can and cannot do, on the basis that all citizens under its care have equal rights, and because they are equal, certain practices that would undermine that equality are completely out of the question.

It’s not pure capitalism, nor pure communism, but a mixing of the two systems, that produces a much more flexible system than either is capable of doing alone.

 
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Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by Immortal7777:
Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

But then there is no reason to work harder if it won’t get me ahead. That’s why the system is ineffective, work ethic is at an all time low.

Yes, it is still flawed, by all means.

Every government system is flawed though. Maybe one day we can find a perfect one.

That will never happen.

 
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Originally posted by HitmanPwner:
Originally posted by CaptMilkshake:

Well, they both have their ups and downs so I don’t think there really is one that is a better system. In this case its all a matter of opinion so, you won’t get one truly factual answer.

Communism allows all property to be publicly owned. This means that your property cant be seized and often will stay within the family. There is a fault to this though. The rich will own most of the property leading to a select few that own all of the property. This can easily lead to an uprising and anarchy starts. In my opinion, Communism is very flawed and an inefficient government system.

In Communism, everyone is equal, and money is equally distributed to everyone. There is no rich or poor.

And duh, its Ethan :P

No that is not communism and that so many believe you shows how crappy schools are in some places.

Communism and capitalism have one and only one core difference. The answer to who owns and may invest into nonhuman resources necessary for the production and the providing of goods and services.
In communism the ownership and investments of these lie with the people as a collective, while in capitalism the ownership and investments belong to private individuals (who may or may not share Ownership with other private individuals).

Other commonly assigned attributes like free-market-vs-planned-economy or in-communism-everyone is equally paid so there is no incentive to work hard are false. In communism its perfectly fine to both have a free-market and people getting paid on merit. And neither is a free-market necessary attribute of capitalism.

Now to which system is better. That depends on what you looking for.

It is correct that communism reduces the difference in wealth of people since the only way to get ahead is individual pay for work, gambling and money lending with the last two being more limited since you can´t make a business out of it. The easy way investing Money into businesses and letting Money work for you(a true meaning of Capitalism) is not possible, since thats done equally by everyone.
On the other side organizing a functioning Communist economy has shown to be much harder than a Capitalistic one. One of the hardest issue is how to invest the owned resources, without the distribution of investments being controlled by a Person who has a vested interest in the investment paying off.
Ironically any successful Company where the Owner and Manger are not one and the same shows how it can be easily and successfully done.

 
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Keep in mind that it’s alot less relevant now than it was 20-30 years ago to study communism. Even the fact you only see one major difference is because of the changing face of Chinese Communism, the only true one left [n. korea was never one, Cuba idk]

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Keep in mind that it’s alot less relevant now than it was 20-30 years ago to study communism. Even the fact you only see one major difference is because of the changing face of Chinese Communism, the only true one left [n. korea was never one, Cuba idk]

China only attempted to achieve a fully communism governnment. They got a good start, but they didnt get even close. Cuba is the closest anyone has gotten to a fully communism system of government, but they arent all the way there yet.

 
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No that is not communism and that so many believe you shows how crappy schools are in some places.
It’s amazing that the schools are told to teach that. It’s not even personal bias from the teachers – that’s part of my state’s curriculum, to make sure that incorrect detail is emphasized. As you said, it’s for the means of production.

Other commonly assigned attributes like free-market-vs-planned-economy or in-communism-everyone is equally paid so there is no incentive to work hard are false. In communism its perfectly fine to both have a free-market and people getting paid on merit. And neither is a free-market necessary attribute of capitalism.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s also not that there’s exactly equal pay, right? The lawyer can still get more money than the janitor, but there would be a lower gap.

 
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Originally posted by SWATLLAMA:

No that is not communism and that so many believe you shows how crappy schools are in some places.

It’s amazing that the schools are told to teach that. It’s not even personal bias from the teachers – that’s part of my state’s curriculum, to make sure that incorrect detail is emphasized. As you said, it’s for the means of production.


Other commonly assigned attributes like free-market-vs-planned-economy or in-communism-everyone is equally paid so there is no incentive to work hard are false. In communism its perfectly fine to both have a free-market and people getting paid on merit. And neither is a free-market necessary attribute of capitalism.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s also not that there’s exactly equal pay, right? The lawyer can still get more money than the janitor, but there would be a lower gap.

Your as highlighted correct. Paying people differently for their work is totally in accordance with communism (and was and is actually practiced in all tries at communism). The lower gap is made up by people not being able to privately accumulate and increase their Money by investments into businesses.

 
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Both are fine and different.

It’s all about proper design.

 
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You guys weren’t around to see the effects of communism in Russia. People would wait in line for hours just for a loaf of bread. They lived in squalor with shortages of all the essentials of life. It was a dark time for the people. The false idea of everything being divided equal is only in fairy tales. Communism only benefited the elite of Russia and the rest of the people went hungry. I have no idea where you guys have come up with communism being so wonderful, but you are wrong. Socialism isn’t much better with government owning the media, for instance, and only giving you the information they deem important. If they think it should be different they modify it. It is a form of communism.

Any time you have a form of government that becomes too powerful, you lose the very thing that makes it great. America was above all the rest, giving it’s people what it needed and then standing back to allow them the freedom to excel, but now it suffers from a too powerful government destroying the fabric that made it great. The inventiveness of a people who reaped rewards from their imaginations, their drive to better themselves. With a government that stifles it’s people, progression to a better life dies and becomes stagnant.

I will never understand why you young people can’t see the benefits of a free society. Yes, right now we are in deep doodoo because we have an administration that leans toward socialism and is destroying our country to rebuild it into a socialist society. Of course you are unable to see this with your limited understanding of what America has really stood for in the past. You only see what is left of a once great country before politicians and self-righteous people started tearing the heart out of the country.

 
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Communism only benefited the elite of Russia and the rest of the people went hungry.

Then it’s not really communism. Soviet Union communishm was it only by name, not how it was ran.

I might as well say that the terrible camps/cities that corporations set up where they got paid in tokens only spendable there discredits capitalism as a whole.

 
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You guys weren’t around to see the effects of communism in Russia.

That’s what history books are for. Not as good as personal experience, but it’s better than nothing.

Socialism isn’t much better with government owning the media and only giving you the information they deem important.

You’re equivocating things that don’t have to go together. A blending of different things is very often the best approach. There are socialist programs we have in place that the vast majority of people find beneficial and good, yet don’t realize that it’s a socialist policy. Firefighters? Socialism. Roads? Socialism. Public schooling? Socialism.

Any time you have a form of government that becomes too powerful, you lose the very thing that made America great.

What made America “great” was an entire continent filled with vast resources and no limit on room to expand because they had no technologically advanced neighbors and were separated from the other superpowers by the oceans.

what America has really stood for in the past.

Yeah. Let’s see, what was it…killing the natives, slavery, monopolies, the paranoia of the cold war, and more corporatism. We definitely need to go back to our roots.

 
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Lucas, would you care to elaborate on those terrible camps you speak of? How about examples. I won’t say capitalism can’t be abused but overall it is the best form of government ever devised.