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so,what do you think about the art of bio warfare?
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We’re going to need more to work with than that to have a discussion. But biological weapons are extremely dangerous, I will say that.
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From a purely military standpoint they are somewhat worthless for general use. I remember seeing documentaries of early chemical warfare (different but similar in application), in which troops would unleash the weaponry only to have the wind blow it right back. Although a military does not need pinpoint accuracy to be successful, weapons that readily turn on their users are generally useless in the grand scheme of things.
I have a book called _How to Lose a Battle_ by Bill Fawcett that explains at least one incident involving this.
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Any war tactics or weapons that can potentially target innocent civilians is pure cowardice, at best. War should not involve a nation’s civilians in any way, only its soldiers who voluntarily signed up for combat. Leave the attacking of the innocents to the terrorists.
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okay,let,s talk about ebola virus
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Ebola has too high and too fast a fatality rate to effectively spread.
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> *Originally posted by **[CapnShep](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972146):***
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> Any war tactics or weapons that can potentially target innocent civilians is pure cowardice, at best.
There was hardly any war after WW1 which did not target the civilians. Vietnam: 1 million dead Vietcong, but 2 million civilians. Same procedure in WW2. Air strikes always hit the civilians, even if you don’t intend to, you can be pretty sure to kill more civies than combatants when you drop a bomb. Even with smart bombs and radar-guided artillery.
Bioweapons kill randomly, but that’s nothing unusual in battle.
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biowarfare is something that will go wrong for sure. when there war was still without rules, somewhere in east Asia the people used blankets infested with the Plague as a weapon during sieges. one of the people got the plague and took a boat to Europe. the Plague started to spread. Result: 25% of the inhabitants of Europe died because of the plague.
there is not much to discuss about the Ebola virus. it is not that dangerous to humanity. it kills you before you can spread it.
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> *Originally posted by **[SaintAjora](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972170):***
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> Ebola has too high and too fast a fatality rate to effectively spread.
That’s the point. You don’t want the disease to spread in a region you want to conquer. That’s why they love anthrax so much. It’s very resistant and can take out a significant number of foes, but won’t spread, as the victims won’t infect any other people. In fact, ebola would work well if it was airborne.
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chem weapons work incredibly well in enclosed spaces such as buildings. mustard gas a bunker everyone inside dies. its dissipates rather quickly and is easily produced. nerve gas war heads that penetrate buildings can work atrocious wonders too. i think everyone got the idea wrong in how to use chem weapons. chem weapons are not front line munitions they are for taking out key locations and causing massive lose of life with minimal structural damage. bio weapons are rather ineffective altogether. however ricin could be used much like a chem weapon. i think as a whole bio weapons would be more effective if they targeted agriculture. poison the food supply and the population will go down but if you are trying to eradicate a population why use bio warfare.
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> *Originally posted by **[kirdaiht](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972177):***
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> biowarfare is something that will go wrong for sure. when there war was still without rules, somewhere in east Asia the people used blankets infested with the Plague as a weapon during sieges. one of the people got the plague and took a boat to Europe. the Plague started to spread. Result: 25% of the inhabitants of Europe died because of the plague.
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> there is not much to discuss about the Ebola virus. it is not that dangerous to humanity. it kills you before you can spread it.
i heard that the Hun’s launched dead bodies over the wall of a city they were laying siege to, the dead bodies were infected with the plague, but the people in the city didn’t know that because it was common practice to launch dead bodies over the walls to scare people, but the people then took boats that landed in Sicily where it spread throughout the rest of Europe that way.
also, some people have an immunity to the Ebola Virus, so, people wouldn’t necessarily die out alltogether if it was spread.
but biological warfare has been regulated by treaties and conventions throughout the last century and a half, so they really are not used anymore. plus they are too inneffective most of the time, not killing the people, only incapacitating them, which means they can get back up later and fight on.
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> *Originally posted by **[darkninja210](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972250):***
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> bio weapons work incredibly well in enclosed spaces such as buildings. mustard gas a bunker everyone inside dies. its dissipates rather quickly and is easily produced. nerve gas war heads the penetrate buildings. i think everyone got the idea wrong in how to use bio weapons. bio weapons are not front line munitions they are for taking out key locations and causing massive lose of life with minimal structural damage.
Why not just use precision bombing. After all, the technology necessary to carry out those functions does not have to be biological.
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> east Asia the people used blankets infested with the Plague as a weapon during sieges
I believe that was Christopher Columbus and the Native Americans, actually. Why we celebrate that man, I will never know.
But it was common practice in Europe to fling carrion into besieged cities to taint water supplies and spread disease.
> also, some people have an immunity to the Ebola Virus, so, people wouldn’t necessarily die out alltogether if it was spread.
Very, very few people. It’s hardly a prolific trait (but then, it’s also not a particularly necessary trait for most of the world).
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> *Originally posted by **[Rolazu](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972173):***
> > *Originally posted by **[CapnShep](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972146):***
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> > Any war tactics or weapons that can potentially target innocent civilians is pure cowardice, at best.
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> There was hardly any war after WW1 which did not target the civilians.
So you understand my point.
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goes right up there with nuclear warfare
in terms of stupidity and deadliness
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> *Originally posted by **[FuzzyBacon](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-972256):***
> > east Asia the people used blankets infested with the Plague as a weapon during sieges
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> I believe that was Christopher Columbus and the Native Americans, actually. Why we celebrate that man, I will never know.
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> But it was common practice in Europe to fling carrion into besieged cities to taint water supplies and spread disease.
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> > also, some people have an immunity to the Ebola Virus, so, people wouldn’t necessarily die out alltogether if it was spread.
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> Very, very few people. It’s hardly a prolific trait (but then, it’s also not a particularly necessary trait for most of the world).
you are right. blankets with scary sicknesses were used in america. it was the dead bodies that were used to bring the plague here.
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i totally agree with you^……..
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Let’s use bacteria instead of bullets!!!
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The huns using dead bodies during a siege was not them alone. It was actually a typical tactic. Not only are you preventing your men from getting sick from the rot, you’re attacking the morale of your enemy’s troops. Like Fuzzy Bacon mentioned.
It’s human nature to use every weapon you have access to. Bio-Warfare is one of them. In fact, if they can get past the sticky problem of reliability, I would expect it to be used by people who want the buildings, vehicles, and resources without dealing with the people. War is hell, Bio-warfare just makes it contagous.
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…I can’t remember the name of it, but there was this short science fiction story about two giant underground bunkers, each from opposing super powers, that did nothing but create and unleash bio warfare onto what amounted to a dead planet.
Finally it came to a point where they were no longer fighting each other, but the evolved product of centuries of bio-warefare. Long story short, if we keep it up, it won’t be long before all we have to fight against is our own diabolical creations.
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> *Originally posted by **[jitters](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-978174):***
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> …I can’t remember the name of it, but there was this short science fiction story about two giant underground bunkers, each from opposing super powers, that did nothing but create and unleash bio warfare onto what amounted to a dead planet.
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> Finally it came to a point where they were no longer fighting each other, but the evolved product of centuries of bio-warefare. Long story short, if we keep it up, it won’t be long before all we have to fight against is our own diabolical creations.
Second Variety?
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Ok, Hardly any country tries to conquer another anymore. Diseases, bacteria, viruses, and chemicals smoke could be released by plane. Then you wait.
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> *Originally posted by **[unproductive](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-978234):***
> > *Originally posted by **[jitters](/forums/9/topics/44681?page=1#posts-978174):***
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> > …I can’t remember the name of it, but there was this short science fiction story about two giant underground bunkers, each from opposing super powers, that did nothing but create and unleash bio warfare onto what amounted to a dead planet.
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> > Finally it came to a point where they were no longer fighting each other, but the evolved product of centuries of bio-warefare. Long story short, if we keep it up, it won’t be long before all we have to fight against is our own diabolical creations.
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> Second Variety?
It was just one of many short stories in a Hugo award compilation.
Philip K. Dick is a prophet.
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