Why do the liberal Democrats want to take guns away from Americans? page 153

Originally posted by issendorf:

Ignorance is the actual stereotype of conservatives –

Well, you could argue that some hypocrisy can stem from ignorance, though that does become pointless after awhile.

Well issendorf/twilight, are you guys through with insulting conservatives? Can we get back to the OP now?

Originally posted by jhco50:

Jenn, I tried to explain to you awhile back why I didn’t want to post to you or visa-versa. You didn’t understand so I will explain it to you. When you first signed on to Kong, I Pm’d you that I didn’t want us to argue on this forum as it would cause problems. I asked you to stay neutral between us, but you didn’t. You not only follow me around, like Karma, but you have said things that were way out of line. You have overstepped what is considered acceptable and been very disrespectful to me. I am trying my best to not post to you so that we can stop the constant insults you seem to want to throw at me. You even sent your husband after me for something that he evidently didn’t understand. So, I am asking you again to stop posting at me and making innuendos. I don’t consider them funny and I don’t consider what you are doing clever. There are hundreds of posters on this forum you can post to and debate with. I do not want to debate with you. Next time you send Jim after me, at least give him all of the details.

Couple problems here—I am not following you around or posting at you any more than anyone else. I also post at other people; just a simple check into the number of topics I post on will verify that. I have also not been insulting or made personal attacks on here. Like anybody else’s argument, stuff people put up for political discussions (their opinions, not themselves) is up for debate. That’s kind of what a forum is there for. This whole post smacks of an “I’m a victim” vibe, and you should stop it; you are not being treated unfairly.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Well issendorf/twilight, are you guys through with insulting conservatives? Can we get back to the OP now?

I’m not “insulting” conservatives. I have friends/family who are conservative and some conservative values myself. The fact is, I don’t want the party “Conservative” to get a bad name, and I know better—being crusty, racist, sexist, etc. does not a great conservative make, and I felt it important to make that distinction. So quit with that already.

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by scoopolard:

You’re about as close-minded as it gets, Karma.

Yes yes, personal attacks and the like. Now that you got that out of the way, you can start responding to his counter-arguments.

How about targeting your own? Do you just not read anybody else’s posts? Read Karma’s. It’s ridiculous.
And I’ve already responded to this type of argument. Go back to page 120’ish. I’ve been on this thread for a while.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by scoopolard:

You’re about as close-minded as it gets, Karma.

Yes yes, personal attacks and the like. Now that you got that out of the way, you can start responding to his counter-arguments.

I would be greatly surprised were he to have done anything else.

So, now…I’m going to get back OT and repeat what I said earlier. Only a few ppl who daily bathe in fairy sprinkles actually believe guns will cease to exist and the general populace won’t have them. Only those ppl fail to understand that “gun control” is NOT aimed at the average American. It is an effort to get guns out of the hands of those who wish to harm others…the innocent.

Epicuras said: The laws exist FOR the sake of the wise, not that they may not do wrong, but that they may not suffer it.

I believe most sane ppl UNDERSTAND that in order to do anything much about gun control regarding criminals is very likely going to have to require some “sacrifices” by the “wise”. Good grief, how hard is it to understand this? Ya have to break the eggs to get an omelette.
Peace & safety don’t come w/out a price.

Of course, my solution is to make using a gun for a criminal act result in some very, VERY dire results by the govt.

Originally posted by Ketsy:

And because it will come up:

We get that Karma does personal attacks too. That doesn’t justify doing them yourself. If you don’t like him making personal attacks, flag his posts.

LOL,,,,no, I attack the idea…not the person. That it is often very hard to differintiate the two is quite understandable. Usually because the idea being assailed is one that is a strongly held PERSONAL one.

Being able to attack the idea rather than the person is somthing I’m rather adept at doing. Hence, (while I don’t know if I’m being flagged), I have nearly zero posts removed.

AND, yes…I “bake” my ideology, my points, my possitions in a very “hot kitchen”. If ya can’t stand the “heat”………..

Read the bold. That’s bullshit and you know it. Don’t make me pull up the garbage on your profile wall.

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:

Originally posted by scoopolard:
And I suppose you wishing for all the guns to be taken away makes you, dare I say it, open-minded? I think Hitler liked taking away people’s guns too…I wonder if he was open-minded.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/971cC.jpg[/IMG]

Wrong while the Nazis did take away guns from German Jews(non-German Jews could still apply for gun carrying permits), they also drastically relaxed gun regulating laws for normal citizens.

Your history and my history contradict one another. From what I’ve read (which I believe would qualify as fairly extensive), Hitler relaxed gun control on those identifying with his party only (National Socialist Party). Don’t get me wrong here, though. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, I’m just disputing your claim.

Also, I’m fairly certain that Stalin enacted gun control laws as well…And, honestly, I would’ve faced Hitler’s death camps before submitting myself to Stalin’s “Purges”.

Originally posted by scoopolard:

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:

Originally posted by scoopolard:
And I suppose you wishing for all the guns to be taken away makes you, dare I say it, open-minded? I think Hitler liked taking away people’s guns too…I wonder if he was open-minded.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/971cC.jpg[/IMG]

Wrong while the Nazis did take away guns from German Jews(non-German Jews could still apply for gun carrying permits), they also drastically relaxed gun regulating laws for normal citizens.

Your history and my history contradict one another. From what I’ve read (which I believe would qualify as fairly extensive), Hitler relaxed gun control on those identifying with his party only (National Socialist Party). Don’t get me wrong here, though. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, I’m just disputing your claim.

Also, I’m fairly certain that Stalin enacted gun control laws as well…And, honestly, I would’ve faced Hitler’s death camps before submitting myself to Stalin’s “Purges”.

1938 German Weapons Act

http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/alex?aid=dra&datum=1938&page=443&size=45

Its in German and original(sorry did not find anything in English). They relaxed Gun control in general not just party members. You might have your misconception because some People who have published about it forgot about the already strict gun laws from before 1933. Or because the gun control laws were made especially lax for Party Members and some others.

They did also use the per-existing gun laws(and the ones they made, though did not really have to make them) to take away guns from some minority groups they did not like, but this did not include the general population as such.
This taking away was easy done under the preexisting gun-laws by having the police reject such peoples application for establishing “trustworthiness” and using the preexisting gun-records to confiscate guns.

This taking away was easy done under the preexisting gun-laws by having the police reject such peoples application for establishing “trustworthiness” and using the preexisting gun-records to confiscate guns.

Johnny, this is why I don’t get my Concealed Carry Permit. When you go for the CCP you become a registered gun owner. Since open carry is legal in my state and doesn’t cost like the CCP, I just carry open.

Of course when you buy a gun from a gun shop, you also have to give a lot of information when you fill out the 4473 form for your background check. The government is supposed to delete the information they receive within 72 hours, but you know they don’t. The gun shop then keeps the form you filled out in their files.

I have never been real trusting with any government, but am especially distrustful of the current one. I am not alone and firearm sales are still way up and ammunition is almost ridiculous in price. More and more new gun owners are appearing. One of the reasons we are fighting to keep Obama from getting a second term is because he is anti-gun. He is smart enough that he didn’t push anything his first term and is waiting for his lame duck term to go after them. I believe he is going to try to go through the United Nations to get them by signing on with the act they are trying to pass.

Originally posted by jhco50:

This taking away was easy done under the preexisting gun-laws by having the police reject such peoples application for establishing “trustworthiness” and using the preexisting gun-records to confiscate guns.

Johnny, this is why I don’t get my Concealed Carry Permit. When you go for the CCP you become a registered gun owner. Since open carry is legal in my state and doesn’t cost you for the CCP, I just carry open.

Of course when you buy a gun from a gun shop, you also have to give a lot of information when you fill out the 4473 form for your background check. The government is supposed to delete the information they receive within 72 hours, but you know they don’t. The gun shop then keeps the form you filled out in their files.

I have never been real trusting with any government, but am especially distrustful of the current one. I am not alone and firearm sales are still way up and ammunition is almost ridiculous in price. More and more new gun owners are appearing. One of the reasons we are fighting to keep Obama from getting a second term is because he is anti-gun. He is smart enough that he didn’t push anything his first term and is waiting for his lame duck term to go after them. I believe he is going to try to go through the United Nations to get them by signing on with the act they are trying to pass.

Thats ridiculous. Its the typical right wing bullshit that you could hear all time before his first election. How he was going to destroy America, by taking away all guns and turning America into a socialist/communist muslim country. He did not do so and now all the obama doom-preachers go on about how he is just waiting for his 2nd term.
Its total bullshit especially since even if he did intend to do so he would need the congress to back him, but then i guess all the other elected democrats are certainly secret socialist Muslim infiltrators all just waiting for Obamas second term to destroy America.

He is up to a lot of things already. The democrats in the house are wanting to call a Constitutional Convention to change the 1st Amendment. They are upset because the churches are refusing to knuckle under on the contraception giveaway and they can’t shut the conservative talk shows up. Now they are pretty sure the SCOTUS is going to rule the heathcare bill unconstitutional. Of course the states are not going to allow them to do this, but still, just the idea they would attempt this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

While my post here, as well as some of those above by other posters, may apper to be Off Topic….the original OP clearly evokes the political arena of liberal ideology (Democrats?) wanting to reduce//restrict//remove guns in America. Of course, this activity is opposed by the “conservative” mindset. I want to delve into this mindset by discussing jhco’s post.

Perhaps it is, once again, time for me to make clear why I usually put the word (and others) “conservative” in quote marks. This is because the word or term is somewhat ambiguous…can be interpreted many widely differing ways by many ppl….and is highly subject to context.

Maybe if I establish some rough form of parameter…..mind ya, EVERY ROUGH. And, as I am so often wont to do, I use the bell-shaped-curve-of-distribution in applying this parameter. I doubt if it will be of any use to jhco since the last time I presented it,,,,all he could do was to “make fun” of it.

As in a pyramid, the base (numbers of) conservatives is large…it is MODERATE in its ideology…it is often quite difficult to pin down just which political leanings they have. This is due to the “amalgamation factor” that allows an individual the capability//freedom to behave according to their polictical//relicious//ect. beliefs…. the ability to "vote their concience.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Well issendorf/twilight, are you guys through with insulting conservatives? Can we get back to the OP now?

Well, jhco…are YOU through w/ the soap opera drama of airing your dirty laundry on this forum? Ya do know there is this Krazy function here called PRIVATE messaging….that is probably the best place for this interesting “insight” to your “thinking” (more on that “thinking” later in this post).

Originally posted by jhco50:

Jenn, I tried to explain to you awhile back why I didn’t want to post to you or visa-versa. You didn’t understand so I will explain it to you again.

Well, either I missed that first explanation or it was in a PM….where THIS ONE probably should have been. Your not wanting to post TO her is entirely YOUR option. However, as far as your desiring & requesting that she not engage YOU on this forum seems to be a weeebit delusional in that ya seem to diegn that ya have some “power” over how this forum is run.

When you first signed on to Kong, I Pm’d you that I didn’t want us to argue on this forum as it would cause problems.

What problems? How? Why? This is a forum that pretty much IS ABOUT DISCUSSING PROBLEMS. Are YOU trying to tell us that YOU are setting terms for how others use it?

I asked you to stay neutral between us, but you didn’t.

Asking is one thing. Bitching because ya didn’t get your way is quite another….esp. when it places a limitation//restrictions on T-ninja.

You not only follow me around, like Karma,

Paranoid much? This is the kind of “thinking” I said above that I would address here. Will YOU please explain how this ""follow me around"" works? Is this some kind of weird: which came first, chicken or egg? Does who made the very first post establish who is following who?

but you have said things that were way out of line. You have overstepped what is considered acceptable and been very disrespectful to me.

The T-ninja saying ""things" that are “out of line”?….seriously?…WTF! “Stepped over”…WHAT? WHO SEZ what is "acceptable? OH YEAH, the Kong admin & mods do.

""Bewen disrespectful"???? Wow-O-wow. Unless I have missed some of her posts, she has been a kitten when compared to some of us on here that “disagree” w/ ya.

I am trying my best to not post to you so that we can stop the constant insults you seem to want to throw at me.

Again,,,WOW-O-wow…just how ridiculous is that? I don’t care if YOU do your “best” or not when it comes to YOU posting to her. If YOU are on this forum, YOU (your opinions, etc.) are subject to confrontation. THAT is just how things work around here. AND, if there are actual “insults” (of a personal nature),,,flag ’em and move on.

You even sent your husband after me for something that he evidently didn’t understand.

The plot thickens….lol

So, I am asking you again to stop posting at me and making innuendos. I don’t consider them funny and I don’t consider what you are doing clever. There are hundreds of posters on this forum you can post to and debate with. I do not want to debate with you. Next time you send Jim after me, at least give him all of the details.

Has time & reality suddenly melted into one seething mass of confusion? Am I supposed to believe THIS makes any REALISTIC sense? Good grief.

jhco, if YOU are so proud to be a “conservatitve” and can actually manifest your post as something represenative of “conservative” thinking…..then there’s small wonder that “conservatives” have such an obtuse stance on what “liberals” are doing about “gun control”. YOU go even farther w/ “thinking” that reeks of near paranoia w/ the below post.

Originally posted by jhco50:

He is up to a lot of things already. the democrats i th house are wanting to cal a Constitutional Convention to change the 1st Amendment. They are upset because the churches are refusing to knuckle under on the contraception giveaway and they can’t shut the conservative talk shows up. Now they are pretty sure the SCOTUS is going to rule the heathcare bill unconstitutional. Of course the states are not going to allow them to do this, but still, just the idea they would attempt this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Where, oh where do YOU get this crap?
Oh yeah, from far right-wing sources….the ones who have agendas that would be laughable (like the idiots standing on street corners w/ the “The-World-Is-Doomed” signs.) if they weren’t so seriously fucking up common sense and hurting a lot of ppl in the process.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Well issendorf/twilight, are you guys through with insulting conservatives? Can we get back to the OP now?

I’m a conservative – I didn’t think I was alerting you to anything new by mentioning how the left characterizes those on the right. My point was that partisans on both sides claim the other side to be hypocrites. By saying that the perception of conservatives is that they’re ignorant isn’t me saying conservatives are ignorant. Thanks for trying to twist my words though!

I think guns should be banned. They are repsonsible for killing millions of people in the USA each year. If we just took the guns away there would be no more crime becuase people wouldnt have guns to comit it with. THerefore we should not allow people to own guns, especialy ones that arednaerous like the assault weapons ban banned. There was no crime when that was in place. Just a thought to ponder.

This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator

This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator

If we just got rid of the guns we would take away the main thing whites use to murder though. Just look at zimmermurderer.

Derp.

Originally posted by aweSoMeDuDE9000:

I think guns should be banned. They are repsonsible for killing millions of people in the USA each year. If we just took the guns away there would be no more crime becuase people wouldnt have guns to comit it with. THerefore we should not allow people to own guns, especialy ones that arednaerous like the assault weapons ban banned. There was no crime when that was in place. Just a thought to ponder.

You really have a lot to learn about the subject. Let me explain the so called assault weapons you mention. A true assault weapon is selective fire. This means you can fire semi-automatic, bursts, or fully automatic. I think the military arms in the US military will fire bursts, but not fully auto nowadays. What you see sold to the public are not assault weapons but look a likes. they fire only semi-auto and cannot be made to fire full auto or burst…thus then cannot be considered true assault weapons.

There is so much misconception of firearms because of the news outlets and media in general. They portray all firearms as assault weapons. At one time the big snow job was that all guns used in crime were Saturday night specials. For awhile they were called Black rifles, Another misnomer. I have heard so many different terms given different firearms to make them look evil, all to give people the wrong perceptions of firearms in general.

You cannot ban firearms and think they will disappear. It just doesn’t work that way. all of these people who post that their country doesn’t have the present of firearms are just wrong. Firearms are everywhere in the world, not always in open view, but they are there. In reality, firearms save more lives every year than they take.

You say there was no crime when the assault weapons ban was in place, but you are wrong. The bill did nothing to make a difference one way or the other. It didn’t work and was allowed to sunset because it was nothing but feel good legislation.

Firearms and firearm owners are not evil. They are people just like all other people. My doctor is a firearms enthusiast, so is my dentist and his assistants, my shoe repairman, the cafe owner down the street. They all have different backgrounds but they still have firearms in common.

Originally posted by Overshire:

Derp.

?

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Originally posted by Overshire:

Derp.

?

Let me change it to make his intent more obvious.

Originally posted by Overshire:

I am spam.

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Originally posted by Overshire:

Derp.

?

Derp is a second cousin to D’oh.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Originally posted by aweSoMeDuDE9000:

I think guns should be banned. They are repsonsible for killing millions of people in the USA each year. If we just took the guns away there would be no more crime becuase people wouldnt have guns to comit it with. THerefore we should not allow people to own guns, especialy ones that arednaerous like the assault weapons ban banned. There was no crime when that was in place. Just a thought to ponder.

You really have a lot to learn about the subject. Let me explain the so called assault weapons you mention. A true assault weapon is selective fire. This means you can fire semi-automatic, bursts, or fully automatic. I think the military arms in the US military will fire bursts, but not fully auto nowadays. What you see sold to the public are not assault weapons but look a likes. they fire only semi-auto and cannot be made to fire full auto or burst…thus then cannot be considered true assault weapons.

There is so much misconception of firearms because of the news outlets and media in general. They portray all firearms as assault weapons. At one time the big snow job was that all guns used in crime were Saturday night specials. For awhile they were called Black rifles, Another misnomer. I have heard so many different terms given different firearms to make them look evil, all to give people the wrong perceptions of firearms in general.

You cannot ban firearms and think they will disappear. It just doesn’t work that way. all of these people who post that their country doesn’t have the present of firearms are just wrong. Firearms are everywhere in the world, not always in open view, but they are there. In reality, firearms save more lives every year than they take.

You say there was no crime when the assault weapons ban was in place, but you are wrong. The bill did nothing to make a difference one way or the other. It didn’t work and was allowed to sunset because it was nothing but feel good legislation.

Firearms and firearm owners are not evil. They are people just like all other people. My doctor is a firearms enthusiast, so is my dentist and his assistants, my shoe repairman, the cafe owner down the street. They all have different backgrounds but they still have firearms in common.

Stupid moron. Lokk it up there was no crime from 1990-2003 when the assault ban was in place.

Originally posted by tenco1:

I am spam.

LOL

Originally posted by aweSoMeDuDE9000:

If we just got rid of the guns we would take away the main thing whites use to murder though. Just look at zimmermurderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

It’s not murder if it’s self-defense, and since you’re innocent until proven guilty, that’s what this is until we have the trial.

Originally posted by issendorf:

Originally posted by aweSoMeDuDE9000:

If we just got rid of the guns we would take away the main thing whites use to murder though. Just look at zimmermurderer.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

It’s not murder if it’s self-defense, and since you’re innocent until proven guilty, that’s what this is until we have the trial.

Thats brainwahsing at its finest. HE SHOT MARTIN BECUASE MARTIN WAS BLACK!!

Originally posted by issendorf:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

It’s not murder if it’s self-defense, and since you’re innocent until proven guilty, that’s what this is until we have the trial.

As amusing as aweSoMeDuDE9000 is sometimes, it looks like straight trolling. Check out what he put in the abortion thread.