Why do the liberal Democrats want to take guns away from Americans? page 225

Why are we discussing rotten food in a gun control thread? How did we get here? :) I will say this though. If you don’t take care of the meat you have taken you will end up with rancid meat. Also, I haven’t hunted for several years. The main reason is I’m getting too old to sleep on the hard ground, but a side reason is the wasting disease many of our deer are getting. It is a form of mad cow disease. I see no reason to take a chance of getting it.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Why are we discussing rotten food in a gun control thread?How did we get here? :)

Because Bob made a shitty pro-gun argument.

I will say this though. If you don’t take care of the meat you have taken you will end up with rancid meat.

Salt + refrigerator = success

You bet. I know a hunter that got an Elk close to dusk. by the time he found it, it was dark and he was alone. He walked out to camp with the intention of getting it in the morning and when he got back something had eaten a large portion of it.

Originally posted by jhco50:

You bet. I know a hunter that got an Elk close to dusk. by the time he found it, it was dark and he was alone. He walked out to camp with the intention of getting it in the morning and when he got back something had eaten a large portion of it.

Undeniable proof that bigfoot exists.

Originally posted by tenco1:

Originally posted by jhco50:

You bet. I know a hunter that got an Elk close to dusk. by the time he found it, it was dark and he was alone. He walked out to camp with the intention of getting it in the morning and when he got back something had eaten a large portion of it.

Undeniable proof that bigfoot exists.

LOL! And hungry. Check this out, it is interesting to look at. http://www.bfro.net/

Originally posted by jhco50:

LOL! And hungry. Check this out, it is interesting to look at. http://www.bfro.net/

Oh dear God, there’s so much South Park I can think of.

Yes, but it is fun to look at these. Some of them supposedly happened about 10 miles from where I live. I can attest to this since something ate my wife’s flower bed.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Yes, but it is fun to look at these. Some of them supposedly happened about 10 miles from where I live. I can attest to this since something ate my wife’s flower bed.

Sounds like a certain bigfoot is looking for love.

*Insert porno jazz music here *

Yes it does. My wife has these flowers that grow everywhere, including cracks in the streets and neighbors yards. I love that Bigfoot.

Yep. They have had sightings here in Colorado right near Pikes Peak, and even put up a sign

Democrats don’t. If they did then we would already have our gun rights taken away.

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:

Yep. They have had sightings here in Colorado right near Pikes Peak, and even put up a sign

No kidding? They put up a sign? LOL!

Originally posted by Rpoman2009:

Democrats don’t. If they did then we would already have our gun rights taken away.

Democrats don’t what? Please expand on this.

He’s answering the question in the OP. He’s saying that Democrats don’t want to take guns away from Americans.

Not all of them anyway. some of my friends are Demi’s and they are big time shooters and hunters.

Nice to see that you recognise that not every left-leaning person are anti-guns :)

Oh I always knew that. They also don’t want restrictions of any kind. However, they aren’t here and the people on this thread seem more than willing to take anything they can from our constitution, as long as it makes them feel good. Where have you been anyway?

Hi jhco. I’ve been around, just not as active. These topics have a way of making you repeat yourself over and over again :)
Gun restrictions isn’t such a big issue for me either. I feel my home country (New Zealand) has it right, as do most other Western countries. I guess Americas gun culture is a very important part of its citizens identity.

I know what you mean flabby. I sometimes wonder if the opposing side even tries to understand what is being said or if they just want to argue. Some nights I just don’t feel like arguing with them. It’s like telling my dog something and it looking at me as if to say, “What the ___?” :)

Yes, the gun culture has been with us since our beginning as a country. I don’t think citizens are going t give them up anytime soon. I read 67% of the citizenry say no to more regulations. That is a lot of people.

Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:

Nice to see that you recognise that not every left-leaning person are anti-guns :)

Originally posted by jhco50:

Oh I always knew that. They also don’t want restrictions of any kind.

I greatly DOUBT that. MAYBE there are a very FEW “liberals” who might have issues w/ “thinking” as to hold such a position.

However, they aren’t here and the people on this thread seem more than willing to take anything they can from our constitution, as long as it makes them feel good.

Oh, c’mon jake-o…WTF? Why do YOU insist on continuing this idiotic rant about ppl—both domestic and esp. foriegn—wanting to "destroy the Constitution? Such is just more of YOUR “hyperbolic” crap trying to lend “credible support” to YOUR positions.

Yes, guns in America ARE NOT going to be “banned”.
HOWEVER, it is YOU who cannot understand there is a difference betwee REGULATION & BANNING. It is such cognitive failure that is of true danger to the Constitution.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
HOWEVER, it is YOU who cannot understand there is a difference betwee REGULATION & BANNING. It is such cognitive failure that is of true danger to the Constitution.

This is a problem with a lot of the more conservative older generation – the tendency to see everything in black and white. It tends to be the greatest contrast between the two sides of the spectrum, and leads to the greatest challenges in communication.

How do you explain varying conditions and individual merits to someone whose mind does not allow compromise and sees only in absolutes?

Vicka, you may think the older generation are set in their ways, but it is the older generation that got the things done that allows the younger generation to enjoy what they have today. We and our ancestors built this country into this strong, energized world that allowed for the colleges, technology, and foundation you used to peruse what you wanted to do with your talents. It was the older generations that give you the freedoms you enjoy. Excuse us for being strong willed, but you might thank us for what we have allowed you to accomplish with your life. With age comes absolute. We have the experiences that gave us the knowledge you will have at our age. At our age we pretty much know what works and doesn’t work, what is valuable for society and what is damaging. This is the basis for my views on different subjects on this forum.

If you will notice, there are really only a few subjects that I offer an argument on. Gun control, politics, abortion, and gays. These are subjects that stick in my craw. These are important subjects that affect society and the quality of life for our society. Through years of living in this world I have seen the good and the bad. I have met the people who hate our country and wish it destroyed, or at the very least changed to what they see as impotent. Those who are dissatisfied with just living their lives and wanting to just create havoc for others. Forgive me if I stand up to these types of people and tell them enough is enough.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Vicka, you may think the older generation are set in their ways, but it is the older generation that got the things done that allows the younger generation to enjoy what they have today.

when they were younger, yeah. Very few tend to keep ‘getting things done’ after they have retired, and those who do, are usually the moderates and the liberals – those who think of others before themselves, and those capable of seeing the big picture. Those whose philosophy puts themselves first, put themselves first much more so after retirement.

However, as I said, it is those whose philosophy only allows them to see black and white as opposed to shades of grey – or even other colors – who are the problem. Those to whom one size fits all, and no solution other than an absolute blanket solution is even worth considering.

This is where you are wrong. conservatives are hard hearted. I have helped many who were down and wanted a hand up, or young people who needed guidance in their lives. You are trying to use your black and white to describe people and their contributions by their a political party. Yes, I am hard right, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have compassion. There is a difference between compassion for your fellow man and taking your fellow mans dignity through too much compassion. You cannot give everything to a person without taking that dignity and sometimes those who take that dignity never realize they are doing it.

I know a few that wonder why I have never taken handouts from the government when I had lean times. It is because I have pride. I know that I can do things for myself without those handouts, maintain my dignity if you will. No, I never become rich financially, but I am rich in ways that matter to me. I raised three children who I am extremely proud of. They in turn gave me six grandchildren that I love without question. In these ways I am rich beyond imagination. I fight to maintain a quality of life for these young ones, a quality that gives them the same chances at life I had.

Change for changes sake is not valuable. Changes come slowly with thought of the consequences of those changes. When our founding fathers created our Constitution, they didn’t just throw a bunch of words together and call it good because it represented change. The thought about what the consequences would be to the people. They discussed all of the outcomes of what they were doing. Then they sent the document to the various states who also discussed it before accepting it. There were no shades of gray.

Originally posted by jhco50:

This is where you are wrong. conservatives are hard hearted.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call them ‘hard hearted’. I stay with my previous statements, that older conservatives past retirement age tend to put themselves first and others second. That does not mean they are hard hearted, although I can see how you would infer that. Some are, same as some liberals are, some moderates are. It does not mean all are.

You are trying to use your black and white to describe people and their contributions by their a political party.

Actually, I was using you as an example of someone who is incapable of seeing in other than black and white. This is evident in your immediate assumption that conservatives = one specific party. It doesn’t, its an ideology. Rather than trying to pidgeonhole people into one specific party’, try looking at right-leaning as a whole, and pick out some common trends. Its outside of your black/white mentality (yours specifically) so I rather doubt you will manage to do it.

I know a few that wonder why I have never taken handouts from the government when I had lean times. It is because I have pride. I know that I can do things for myself without those handouts, maintain my dignity if you will.

Here we have another example of black/white thinking. Not everyone is in the same position you were. Sometimes they need those handouts to make ends meet. Sometimes they can’t live without an extra helping hand at their lowest point. It’s all about individual circumstances and a case by case basis. I know you will never understand how individual circumstances can be different from your own, and that is what Karma was getting at when he said that points of view like yours – no shades of grey possible – are the greatest threat the constitution will ever face.

You always interpret it strictly literally, and never any room for alternative meanings or compromise. It has to be rigid and unbending, in your view. A dead document to create a dead society.

Then they sent the document to the various states who also discussed it before accepting it. There were no shades of gray.

Times change. This isnot he same world our founding fathers lived in. Our country is not the same, other countries are not the same. Our lives are not the same, our technologies and capabilities are not the same as theirs.

Unless you wish to force America back to exactly the same in all aspects as it was the year the constitution was signed, then you have to accept that our laws have to change with the times, and some parts of the dead document, could do with living again. Its all about understanding the differences in different circumstances.