Why do the liberal Democrats want to take guns away from Americans? page 232

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Sorry Jan, between Karma and Vika (the Bobsy twins) I get a little jumpy. Those two can take all of the fun out of discussing any subject. I am beginning to think Ritalin would be good for them.

I had to look that up, but I was very amused when i found what it was. i thought you meant maybe marykate and Ashley or some other famous twins, but indeed, this does do justice!

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards. But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

To be honest I kind of feel like echoing Rodney King’s platitude, “can’t we all get along” (and if like me, you despised the bastard, please raise a toast in celebrating the bastard’s death) because as much as i enjoy a good argument, this constant ideological mayhem is really going nowhere fast. Somedays I wish Saint Ajora would come back and discharge my duties, but I have a tempting suspicion that she was batting for the libs all along, so the comparisons were faulty.

Yes, it is getting tiring and if you notice, I have backed way off in my posting. I get tired of having my posts deleted when I respond to personal attacks and such tactics as name calling when they don’t really have an argument. Then you have the total lack of knowledge of some subjects, but they insist they know everything. Firearms is one of those subjects as you can tell. It doesn’t matter that I know the subject in depth and could really educate them, they would rather blindly go on with their stupid arguments.

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards.

How is that any different from Kong?

But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

Yea, there are a few posters, right across the ideological spectrum, that I’d love to just take out, tie them by their genetalia to my back towbar, and then see if I can push the speedometer to its limit.

Thinking about it, I’m not sure there’s room back there for all of them. Maybe tie some to the bull bars on the front instead.

But, the forum does still have some value the specialist ones lack. Lots and lots of idiot-questions. Kong is really, really good at idiot-questions, and truly bizarre viewpoints – which do sometimes trip inspiration for something that’ll actually work.

because as much as i enjoy a good argument, this constant ideological mayhem is really going nowhere fast.

Agreed. If we could stop trying to shove everyone into little boxes and just treat each other as individuals, it would be so much more productive here. Even if just the regulars did it.

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Originally posted by jhco50:

Oh, but it will Vika. It will give the government that is untrustworthy a location of every firearm in the US. It only takes a stoke of a pen to then go house to house and pick them up. I think the key word in your newest proposal is track. If you are a law abiding citizen it doesn’t matter when they come to your door. All other gun owners will be affected by your naive thinking. Our government is now out to take all of the money it can get and control the populace, the very thing our founding fathers warned us about.

I proposed a system once before, that addressed this very problem. At the time you dismissed it telling me it was somehow an attack on the constitution (you never explained how it was),and spent some time ranting about how it proved I wished to destroy the constitution or some-such nonsense. I will repost that argument below, as it is basically, the answer to your concerns.

Try actually reading it this time:

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Ok then, Jhco. What about this?

We create the gun registration system for all citizens, and when we create it we give it its own constitution – laws all future updates must abide by, that is set in stone and involitile. We appoint a watchdog organisation, probably from the NRA to see the registration-constitution is followed to the letter.

One of the key parts of that document outlines that whilst it must be possible to search the registration system for owners of a gun matching evidence found at a crimescene, or an owner a particular gun is registered to, or even search the system for all owners of a particular model in a given area up to the size of a state, it is absolutely never-to-be-permitted that the system shall be created in such a way as to allow lists to be made of every gun owner of any gun type in any given area.

Likewise the document sets out very clear guidelines as to how the records may be stored. Encrypted, digital storage only. No hard copies are to be made of any part of the data unless it is pertinent to a criminal investigation, and then only permitted within the scope and timeframe of that investigation. Breach of this mandate to be made a federal offense.

That should render the system itself a useful resource, but one which does not permit absolute control over gun owners. It is not possible to use it for a witch-hunt for all gun-owners unless you are searching for locals who own a specific make of gun as part of a criminal investigation. No politician can ever change the micro-constitution binding the system, and no amendments are possible.

Would you be more willing to consider such a mandatory registration system under those conditions?

It would be usurping the rights we already have in the Constitution and transfer them to a document (not part ot the Constitution) that could be modified whenever the government felt like it. It would be the same as giving up our rights and making them a privileged to be amended out of existence.

You think your are gods gift to America and you are just another liberal willing to take the rights of Americans in the name of equality to your way of thinking. In reality, your kind is the enemy of American freedoms. You and Karma are both socialists (although he tries to deny it and you don’t) with nothing more than disdain for our country. If you hate it so bad, don’t come back. Stay overseas where you think you are living the life of Riley. If that is your cup of tea, drink it and leave America alone, we don’t need you here.

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Yea, there are a few posters, right across the ideological spectrum, that I’d love to just take out, tie them by their genetalia to my back towbar, and then see if I can push the speedometer to its limit.

But, the forum does still have some value the specialist ones lack. Lots and lots of idiot-questions. Kong is really, really good at idiot-questions, and truly bizarre viewpoints – which do sometimes trip inspiration for something that’ll actually work.

My thought exactly. You are talking about Karma, right?

Originally posted by jhco50:

It would be usurping the rights we already have in the Constitution and transfer them to a document (not part ot the Constitution) that could be modified whenever the government felt like it. It would be the same as giving up our rights and making them a privileged to be amended out of existence.

It would not be ursurping any rights of the constitution, it would be codifying the second amendment into its own, secondary constitution, this one specifically unable to be amended, and overseen by the NRA, in case anybody should try. I’m going to go out on a (quite sturdy) limb here, and say you didn’t actually read it.

You think your are gods gift to America and you are just another liberal willing to take the rights of Americans in the name of equality to your way of thinking. In reality, your kind is the enemy of American freedoms. You and Karma are both socialists (although he tries to deny it and you don’t) with nothing more than disdain for our country.

Isn’t this the same garbage rant you gae last time? It’s as much grade A bullshit now, as it was, back then. Why do your arguments never change? Are you honestly incapable of taking new information on board, or something?

If you hate it so bad, don’t come back. Stay overseas where you think you are living the life of Riley. If that is your cup of tea, drink it and leave America alone, we don’t need you here.

Why would I be trying to fix the flaws and inequalities if I hated it? Why would I be trying to address the points where people have urinated on the constitution, if I hated it?

As usual Jhco, your arguments are full of logical falacies and flaws.

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EDIT: Oh, by the way, Karma’s not a socialist. He’s a moderate. Someone who listens to all sides, and goes down the middle.

I wouldn’t say I was one either. I see great value in some types of socialism (there are many), and I see great value in constrained capitalism. But neither system will address all the needs of the country. We need a quite complex hybrid (and indeed we already have one, sickly though it is), if we are to bring the nation back to health.

Your understanding of our government and Constitution are really lacking. There can be only one constitution. Codifying wouldn’t make it a constitution but a law. Do you even know how the constitution came about?

I get tired of your self aggrandizement.

What makes you think anyone but you and your far left friends want to “fix” the constitution? the only people urinating on it are your friends, Bush in his last four years and Obama. Let me just say our government. Do you even know what is in the constitution?

Your edit. To bring our nation back to health we need a real leader and not some egotistic socialist who would like to see America as a 3rd world country.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Your understanding of our government and Constitution are really lacking. There can be only one constitution. Codifying wouldn’t make it a constitution but a law. Do you even know how the constitution came about?

Yes, I know how it came aout, and no there is nothing to say we cannot have other government processes that use the same basic concept. Carve it on a stone tablet as an eternal truth. Give it to those whose own self-interest is in keeping things exactly the way they are. Add that this law must always stay the same, as an amendment to the main constitution.

It works Jhco. The logic is sound. It protects all gun owners from the evil gobernment, that wants to kill every American citizen and bury them in a mass grave in New Mexico, 300 million deep. You’re safe from the nasty feds. You don’t have to blow their brains out of the back of their heads anymore.

I get tired of your self aggrandizement.

Stop talking to the mirror and talk to me.

What makes you think anyone but you and your far left friends want to “fix” the constitution? the only people urinating on it are your friends, Bush in his last four years and Obama.

I never realised George Bush (Jr) and Barack Obama were my friends. Do I hang out with them often?

Your edit. To bring our nation back to health we need a real leader and not some egotistic socialist who would like to see America as a 3rd world country.

Well, its a good job we don’t have one of those then, isn’t it?

Yes, it is getting tiring and if you notice, I have backed way off in my posting. I get tired of having my posts deleted when I respond to personal attacks and such tactics as name calling when they don’t really have an argument. Then you have the total lack of knowledge of some subjects, but they insist they know everything. Firearms is one of those subjects as you can tell. It doesn’t matter that I know the subject in depth and could really educate them, they would rather blindly go on with their stupid arguments.

mm, I agree.

@Vika

It’s an odd thing. I’m unsure what to make of it exactly, but i think…well the general theory goes that liberals are much less tolerant than they suppose to be. I mean, i’d agree 100% with mytie’s irritation of the constant ‘agree or your a bigot’ rationale, except that i’d be giving him ideological ammo he simply doesn’t deserve. But it’s not like the liberal commentators deserve ideological ammo themselves. i’m just as disgusted with their cavalier ’let’s fuck over rather than understand the torys’ attitude that inevitably prevails here. I see guys like you and karma, and i’m reminded why i deserted liberalism in the first place. You don’t try to understand your enemies, and you sympathize overmuch with your allies, to the detriment of your arguments, in order to better solidify yourselves with the ranking ideology.

A perfect world for me would be mutual suspicion, each side disagreeing with each other over the right course to make, agreeing only on the most rational option, but citing disagreements to that proposal. That is, giving in, when the situation calls for it, but being at each other’s throats up until then. It’s why i’ve never sat well with european democracies, but have always felt a special kinship in US republicanism (via constitutional, not party grounds), thoroughly lacking in my own democracy, where everyone gets along, or else.

You don’t try to understand your enemies

I can’t. I have tried, but thinking of everyone else as pieces of shit to be ground underneath my shoes, to spit at them in the street, and to laugh out loud, clutching my sides with laughter when someone is killed in a multiple car pile-up is beyond my capability.

That’s all I’ve been able to get out of the hardliner mindset, Janton. That they truly don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Even on this board, they refuse to compromise, ever. I have to compromise with them. Give ground, knowing I’ll never get it back. That at the next conflict, I have to retreat again, as they won’t give an inch. Jhco does it, MyTie does it, OmegaDoom does it.

Even when I compromise, its never enough for them. I have to agree wholeheartedly with their argument or I’m wrong, in their eyes.

There’s nothing to work with there.

So I try to use reality to smack them with. Pointing out how things actually work, over and over, and over again. I doubt any of it is actually sinking in, but what other choice is there?

being at each other’s throats up until then.

I’m never happy with that kind of world. There’s too much physical violence as it is. Too many use their fists to argue their ideology. Usually they come from the same ’I’m holier than thou’ crowd.

It’s why i’ve never sat well with european democracies

Most of them I find too slow and clunky, waaay too conservative and stuck in their ways. I’m a girl of action. I need progress, change, improvement. Too many ‘jobs for the boys’, and adherence to how things were traditionally done, is cloying.

The biggest problem I think, is the humans. They’re such dim-witted, slow, instinct-bound creatures for the most part. Half the time I feel its a wonder anything gets done at all.

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Except guys like jhco or scoop know i’m not with them, or Ung isn’t with them, but they know that we’re not with you either. And I know i’m not with Ung, or Beauval, or Issendorf, and vice versa. I make no attempt to cover my buddy’s ass when he stumbles (unless he’s tenco and he’s worth it), and nobody covers my ass when i stumble. But you guys do it constantly, and that’s the clearest indication to me that you’re in a camp, and by what you say to the opposition, it’s irresolvable.

Nope, not at all. I cover the ass of people I respect, when I understand what they’re trying to say, but they’ve made a hash of it, or someone’s trying to challenge who clearly doesn’t know one end of their weapon of choice from the other.

I do it to you, I do it to Twilight, Karma, Beau, Softest, Ung, Issendorf, the list goes on and on. Ideology, and PoV has got bugger all to do with it. Your arguments are solid, are understandable. More often than not, are downright useful. I know you don’t like Karma very much, but I find his PoV is brilliant. I disagree with it half the time, but he provides a point of view I myself would never have, that I can understand.

He’s a moderate to me, because he is way, way, waaay to the right of me. I would put Twilight and Issendorf in the same category. Great points of view, pervasive, solid arguments from sound minds. That’s the closest I come to caring about ideology.

Scoop and Jhco get my scorn, not because they’re conservatives, but because they can’t put an argument together worth a damn. no sources, flawed reasoning, a refusal to bend even when someone tries to bend for them. Being conservative doesn’t mean your brain is leaking out your ears.

I am a bit elitist, in that the person I’m talking with has to have a brain, and know how to use the damn thing. I don’t care if their argument is diametrically opposite to mine, so long as they have covered their bases, and it is solid. Their reasoning is backed up and well thought out. Sources are a bonus too.

If it is solid, I can pick it apart and learn from it. If it is wishy-washy and threatening to collapse under its own weight, it is completely useless.

If I can learn from it, then the person earns a bit of my respect. If they keep posting like that, then yes, I’m going to defend them when they slip.

I deleted that post because it was starting to sound lecture-y.

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

I had to look that up, but I was very amused when i found what it was. i thought you meant maybe marykate and Ashley or some other famous twins, but indeed, this does do justice!

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards. But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

Naw you should stay here, I think this is an interesting and eclectic group we have going.

Although if you need another forum, might I suggest Jedi Council Forums. It discusses everything from politics to movies.

Or city-data….although that tends to be broken up into geographic locations.

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

It’s an odd thing. I’m unsure what to make of it exactly, but i think…well the general theory goes that liberals are much less tolerant than they suppose to be.

I think in some instances this is true. For instance, in the California State University system, where I last attended college, they were all about “celebrate diversity”—they had a Gay Pride events, Muslim week, all that—as long as diversity didn’t include traditional matters like Christianity, veterans, etc.

Liberals by definition are supposed to be open-minded and progressive (it can be a positive attribute), but when the open mindedness of some evolves into being open minded only about certain things, it loses it’s original intent and becomes just an opposing ideology.

So the GOP has killed a bill that would have EXPANDED hunting rights, because it also legislated conservation measures.
I thought conservation of the land that you hunt would be common sense, especially when it comes hand in hand with more rights to hunt that land.
Apparently not.

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That is interesting. I wish I could see the actual bill as there must have been something in it that was a rider that so often gets attached to the bills. Either that or the republicans can’t be trusted either. I don’t know where to turn sometimes as both parties are so corrupt.

I have said this before and I didn’t get any takers. This guy did and you see the results.

Introduced some antis to shooting
They were against guns and admited they were only against guns because they haven’t been around them. My cousin (pink) is from Chicago, and her friend is from France. I did a solid hour pre safety lesson including grip, stance, how the gun works ext.

Now the best part is I started them on suppressed 22 to take the muzzle blast out of the equation. THEY ARE HOOKED! After a mag each they couldn’t put the guns down. Now they want to shoot every week and have me teach them.

Just goes to show that most antis are only against guns because of how they were brought up or what they learn from the media/movies. Good times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR8GzA18NJM

Originally posted by NeilSenna:

Why? Because like it or not, not everyone is as good a gun owner as you. Idiots + guns = a dangerous combination, and out of a population of over 300m, just think how many gun-owning idiots there are in the US…

I’m British, and we have far stricter gun control laws – handguns are 100% illegal, as are semi-autos, and long-barrelled shotguns of no more than 3 shots are heavily-regulated and only legal when genuine and valid need is shown (self-defence isn’t a valid reason). Rifles are also massively-regulated with firearms licenses. Air-weapons are available, but over a certain PSI you need a firearms license.

Of course some people still have them, criminal and non-criminal. But if you get caught with one, you’re in deep trouble.

The murder rate here is almost 4 times lower than it is in the US. The percentage of murders involving a gun is 6.6%. In the US, the percentage of murders involving a gun is way over 50%… and a gun is used in over 70% of murders of those aged 13-35.

You can probably see where I’m coming from… stricter gun control would undoubtedly lead to less murders, because the more guns you take out of the hands of the common idiot, the less chance there is of that common idiot killing someone.

That, no doubt, is why such proposals are said to be on the table.

On a personal note, I’d really like to target-shoot and stuff like that, and think it’s a shame morons reduce freedoms for the rest of us. So I’m not anti-gun at all – I’m anti-idiots-with-guns.

Self defense is always a valid reason.

In law, here at least (which is where NeilSenna was discussing), self defense is not a valid reason to go equipped with any weapon – be that a knife, gun, baseball bat, etc.

To qualify as ‘reasonable’ force in self defense your actions have to be taken in the ‘heat of the moment’ (and can include any damage to a burglar/attacker up to and including killing them depending on circumstances)… ‘going equipped’ shows premeditation to cause harm and will, if caught, see you up on charges.

Additionally, lack of weapons on the street generally makes people feel safer (and the stats, posted previously, seem to support that)… yes people still get drunk and brawl outside the pub/bar, rob people/places, etc but the victims of such crimes generally live to tell the tale… add weapons to a drunken brawl, robbery, etc and you start to see dead people (and not in the sense of the movie).

Originally posted by jhco50:

I have said this before and I didn’t get any takers. This guy did and you see the results.

Introduced some antis to shooting
They were against guns and admited they were only against guns because they haven’t been around them. My cousin (pink) is from Chicago, and her friend is from France. I did a solid hour pre safety lesson including grip, stance, how the gun works ext.

Now the best part is I started them on suppressed 22 to take the muzzle blast out of the equation. THEY ARE HOOKED! After a mag each they couldn’t put the guns down. Now they want to shoot every week and have me teach them.

Just goes to show that most antis are only against guns because of how they were brought up or what they learn from the media/movies. Good times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR8GzA18NJM

Wow, 2 people out of how many ‘anti gunners’… as you know, I’m generally pro firearms already but I’m sorry to say that this is almost completely meaningless.

Yes, some might change their mind… some might have such an experience reinforce their thoughts/beliefs… most, I suspect, would be completely neutral about it (by which I mean they might give it a go out of curiosity and then carry on exactly as they were).

Introduced some antis to shooting
They were against guns and admited they were only against guns because they haven’t been around them. My cousin (pink) is from Chicago, and her friend is from France. I did a solid hour pre safety lesson including grip, stance, how the gun works ext.

Now the best part is I started them on suppressed 22 to take the muzzle blast out of the equation. THEY ARE HOOKED! After a mag each they couldn’t put the guns down. Now they want to shoot every week and have me teach them.

Just goes to show that most antis are only against guns because of how they were brought up or what they learn from the media/movies. Good times.

Ya just gotta luv a “hair-of-the-tail-wagging-the-dog” argument. LOL

I prefer these videos:
one
two
three ya just gotta luv this one. Couldn’t these “gun gangsters” NOT realize she didn’t have her arm fully extended & locked?
four several different ones.
five Do these “gun fools” NOT know that ya can load a gun WITH ONLY ONE ROUND in an auto for a first time shooter?

In law, here at least (which is where NeilSenna was discussing), self defense is not a valid reason to go equipped with any weapon – be that a knife, gun, baseball bat, etc.
To qualify as ‘reasonable’ force in self defense your actions have to be taken in the ‘heat of the moment’ (and can include any damage to a burglar/attacker up to and including killing them depending on circumstances)… ‘going equipped’ shows premeditation to cause harm and will, if caught, see you up on charges.

Awhile back I was reading a guide on Canadian Home Defense, suited to ‘hostile’ nature of the courts and laws to force used in protection of the homestead/property. Generally the use of anything typified as a weapon without signs of a struggle will be a legal loss. I’ve had a family friend coached by the police into altering his story after ganking an intruder around the corner with a golf club into something more ‘appropriate’. The trick is weaponizing things that are not conceptually considered so. A bottle of high strength spray oven cleaner was recommended.

Grandpa’s old rifle is still kicking about, but actually using it would be quite the legal quagmire. I’ve always preferred the idea of having superior force available and have little qualms about possessing or using a fire arm. It’s extending that to everyone else that I get a bit iffy with.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Introduced some antis to shooting
They were against guns and admited they were only against guns because they haven’t been around them. My cousin (pink) is from Chicago, and her friend is from France. I did a solid hour pre safety lesson including grip, stance, how the gun works ext.

Now the best part is I started them on suppressed 22 to take the muzzle blast out of the equation. THEY ARE HOOKED! After a mag each they couldn’t put the guns down. Now they want to shoot every week and have me teach them.

Just goes to show that most antis are only against guns because of how they were brought up or what they learn from the media/movies. Good times.

Ya just gotta luv a “hair-of-the-tail-wagging-the-dog” argument. LOL

I prefer these videos:
one
two
three ya just gotta luv this one. Couldn’t these “gun gangsters” NOT realize she didn’t have her arm fully extended & locked?
four several different ones.
five Do these “gun fools” NOT know that ya can load a gun WITH ONLY ONE ROUND in an auto for a first time shooter?

Can’t you discuss anything without some kind of sarcastic rant? Sit back and just enjoy the thread. Add to it. You are supposed to be a gun owner and I would bet you are not the best at it in others eyes, which means you are just another gun owner. Discuss and you may get some useful information.

Originally posted by donseptico:

Wow, 2 people out of how many ‘anti gunners’… as you know, I’m generally pro firearms already but I’m sorry to say that this is almost completely meaningless.

Yes, some might change their mind… some might have such an experience reinforce their thoughts/beliefs… most, I suspect, would be completely neutral about it (by which I mean they might give it a go out of curiosity and then carry on exactly as they were).

Don, this guy showed two people but he is not a professional instructor, just one of the guys who took the time to introduce these two people the shooting sports. I have offered to take anyone out and teach them the basics and allow them to experience the shooting sports too. I’m not trying to insult anyone or create any hard feelings, just offering an opportunity.

Originally posted by Ungeziefer:

In law, here at least (which is where NeilSenna was discussing), self defense is not a valid reason to go equipped with any weapon – be that a knife, gun, baseball bat, etc.
To qualify as ‘reasonable’ force in self defense your actions have to be taken in the ‘heat of the moment’ (and can include any damage to a burglar/attacker up to and including killing them depending on circumstances)… ‘going equipped’ shows premeditation to cause harm and will, if caught, see you up on charges.

Awhile back I was reading a guide on Canadian Home Defense, suited to ‘hostile’ nature of the courts and laws to force used in protection of the homestead/property. Generally the use of anything typified as a weapon without signs of a struggle will be a legal loss. I’ve had a family friend coached by the police into altering his story after ganking an intruder around the corner with a golf club into something more ‘appropriate’. The trick is weaponizing things that are not conceptually considered so. A bottle of high strength spray oven cleaner was recommended.

Grandpa’s old rifle is still kicking about, but actually using it would be quite the legal quagmire. I’ve always preferred the idea of having superior force available and have little qualms about possessing or using a fire arm. It’s extending that to everyone else that I get a bit iffy with.

I would like to answer both of these posts at once. Self defense should be one of the most important things for gun ownership. Why should a person give up his life, or his family’s lives because your government doesn’t deem you lives as important enough to defend? I find this odd that you are left defenseless and at the mercy of the criminal element.

Ung, I thought Canada did away with their draconian laws about gun ownership and self defense. Last I heard they did away with their registration scheme because of the cost and public condemnation. Do you ever shoot grandpa’s old rifle? You should, grandpa would be honored.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Can’t you discuss anything without some kind of sarcastic rant?

Sure can….AND DO.
BUT, since life is pretty much about PERSPECTION….
I doubt YOU will see it as ANYTHING BUT “sarcasm”.
MY opinions on MOST OF YOUR ideology just won’t allow ya to do otherwise.

Sit back and just enjoy the thread.

Geeeeee…thanks for the “helpful” advice.
And, here I didn’t think ya cared….lol
Why do ya think I AM NOT enjoying the thread?
Inquiring minds wanna know.

Add to it.

Already am…in case ya haven’t noticed.
I guess ya didn’t notice the areas where we concur.
That leads me to further confirm my belief that YOU tend to “mentally filter” data they ONLY AGREES w/ YOUR ideological agenda.
Why would I then say that ya’ve not noticed the areas that I do agree w/ ya?
Well, ya’ve stated such a bias AGAINST me that ya’ve very likely set your filter and a complete: DO NOT ALLOW ALL.
Of course, ya’ve already stated that ya don’t read my posts.
LOL

You are supposed to be a gun owner and I would bet you are not the best at it in others eyes, which means you are just another gun owner.

Well, since all of that SHIT is nothing more than SUBJECTIVE….it’s not even worthy of discussion. I can tell ya this….I’m certainly NOT a member of the NRA.
AND, I’m NOT a hunter…after “hunting” the ultimate animal (an ARMED & HUNTING ME ONE), killing defenseless animal just sucks. I don’t need the meat. Shooting fruit trees seems a bit much.
Setting out year-round food bins to attract deer so asshole city dudes can shoot them from a heated (w/ bar, etc.) blind only causes me to want to “hunt” THEM…sniper wise.

Discuss

WAIT….just above ya said I DID discuss.

and you may get some useful information.

YUP…certainly do//have.
BUT, since most of the “pro-gun” side tends to be overly “cheerleaderly” about the issue,,,,
and, I find the “anti-guns” to NOT be arguing for BANS, just reasonable CONTROLS….
I think most of their positions on the matter have strong merit.
At least they are shitting their pants via a ridiculous “boogeyman-slippery-slope” theory about it all.

NOW, if ya’re limited this “my learning some useful information” to guns only….
well, all THAT shit deserves is: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ya see, right there is something that is at the core of too many “gun nuts”: THEIR ARROGANCE & their scorn for ppl who know enough about guns & THEIR ULTIMATE RESULTS—the really bad ones—to form an opinion that this calls for (justifies?) some kinds of measures that can address the negativity associated w/ (usually) handguns & assault weaponry.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Setting out year-round food bins to attract deer so asshole city dudes can shoot them from a heated (w/ bar, etc.) blind only causes me to want to “hunt” THEM…sniper wise.

There used to be a service called Live-Shot, which ran in 2004-2005 before being forcibly closed down, that went one stage worse than that. It allowed remote control of the rifles in the dug-out, via computer mouse across the internet, wherever you happened to be. Pay to play, shoot real rounds at deer from the comfort of your own home, and they ship the meat to you.