War and terrorism

It doesn’t matter where you thought you were going today…. you are a part of the bomb now. And somewhere in the world a handfull of men sit around a radio. Twenty minutes and 4,000 murders later, they praise God for the blood that stains their hands. As though it stops at your wrist, like a glove. As though there could be any part of you that’s not stained and dripping. Yesterday the sun was able to still shine on us. We can hunt them down. We can scour every bloodstained trace of their terror from Earth. We can turn every stone they’ve touched to ash, every blade of grass to ash, and it won’t matter. We have to be stronger than we have ever been. If we lose hope, bury our faith in the darkness, than nothing else matters. We have to be stronger as a people, as a nation. We have to be America, or they’ve won.

Let’s talk about war. There is no such thing as war, only hate. Men, women, and children die because hate is blind. Blind enough to hold a nation accountable for the actions of one man. Who are we fighting? Why are we fighting? What is the great enemy America must destroy? I know why we are fighting. I believe, that on September 11, 2001 a psychopath murdered almost 4,000 defensless human beings in an attempt to trigger World War III. 90% of the casualties of World War I were soldiers, but HALF of the people who died in World War II were civilians. Half of 61 million. I don’t want to see World War III. We didn’t understand what we were facing until September 11. Before then we would have said we are doing what we must, defeating Hitler and crushing the Nazis. But now we realize, that on February 14-15, 1945, those people weren’t soldiers…. but they died. They huddled in the dark, trapped, faces pressed against the broken walls that locked them in. Clawing at the cold Earth until it grew too hot to touch. And when there was nothing else to breathe…. they died. The city firemen fought the fires for days before they could begin to search for survivors. There were none. History repeats itself. Like clockwork. All it takes is one madman to light the spark, and the people pay the price. This madman… how many screams has he brought into the world? How many lives have those hands choked, burned and bled to death? How many survivors find terror in their sleep where they once found peace? They will always be with us. The Genghis Kahns. The Caligulas. The Hitlers. The monsters. With their blood hunger and their lies. But we can stem the flow of blood. Defy the shadow. We, the people, ALL have the power and the freedom to do what’s right, and to fight…. for peace.

(I am an American, and I do not intend this to be offensive to any other nations)

You wrote an awful lot to effectively say nothing. Your efficiency level needs some work bubba.

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

You wrote an awful lot to effectively say nothing. Your efficiency level needs some work bubba.

I was just stating the direction the world is going in. You don’t have to agree.

Originally posted by Mattstephen6:

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

But you cannot deny he was a monster.

and mao cant forget mao

But you cannot deny he was a monster.

He wasn’t a monster.

So what was he? Do you think he was correct in his actions? I stated in the ‘good vs evil’ forum that I don’t believe there is a such thing as evil, as it’s all based on a point of veiw, BUT even if one genuinely believes he is doing the correct thing doesn’t make it correct.

even if one genuinely believes he is doing the correct thing doesn’t make it correct.

Makes it correct to them though.

Originally posted by finkidz5:

So what was he? Do you think he was correct in his actions? I stated in the ‘good vs evil’ forum that I don’t believe there is a such thing as evil, as it’s all based on a point of veiw, BUT even if one genuinely believes he is doing the correct thing doesn’t make it correct.

That’s only because outside of a select few areas where fact is present, there is no such thing as correct.

It’s generally the done thing nowadays to see Hitler as a monster, but what gives our exceedingly narrow-minded modern industrialised society the right to determine what is right and what is wrong… especially as so many wrongs have so recently become rights, and so many rights have become wrongs?

Originally posted by Mattstephen6:

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

It was his general, but Hitler made him enforce it.

Originally posted by finkidz5:

Originally posted by Mattstephen6:

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

But you cannot deny he was a monster.

I can definitely say that the Jews of the mid 1900s were monsters. Hitler did the following:

1. Disliked Jews intensely for 3 reasons:
a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters
b. They were bankers, and they stole money.
c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.
2. Put jews in concentration camps.

Hitler did NOT do the following:

1. He didn’t GAS the jews in chambers.
2. He didn’t throw them into ovens and burn them alive.
3. He didn’t blindly murder millions and millions of jews. (Don’t get me wrong – Jews DID die, read the following):

What DID happen:

1. Hitler put them in camps.
2. Jews died of sicknesses that had nothing to do with the National Socialists OR Hitler.
3. After the Holohoax, Russian Commies built gas chambers AFTER they conquered Germany after World War II.
4. If you take a sec to read a few words, there IS or WAS no evidence of any ‘ashes.’ That’s all lies.

Originally posted by xRainsx:

Originally posted by finkidz5:

Originally posted by Mattstephen6:

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

But you cannot deny he was a monster.

I can definitely say that the Jews of the mid 1900s were monsters. Hitler did the following:

1. Disliked Jews intensely for 3 reasons:

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

2. Put jews in concentration camps.

Hitler did NOT do the following:

1. He didn’t GAS the jews in chambers.

2. He didn’t throw them into ovens and burn them alive.

3. He didn’t blindly murder millions and millions of jews. (Don’t get me wrong – Jews DID die, read the following):

What DID happen:

1. Hitler put them in camps.

2. Jews died of sicknesses that had nothing to do with the National Socialists OR Hitler.

3. After the Holohoax, Russian Commies built gas chambers AFTER they conquered Germany after World War II.

4. If you take a sec to read a few words, there IS or WAS no evidence of any ‘ashes.’ That’s all lies.

They were monsters because they were gay? That is highly prejudice. Even if you are a homophobe, they aren’t monsters because of their sexuality.

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

And what is wrong with showing porn to legally consenting adults?

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

Not all Jews are bankers, not all bankers steal money.

c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

Purity can be defined variably. I could choose to define it as free of bigotry. Please go kill yourself in the name of purity.

Hitler did NOT do the following:

Proof?

What DID happen:

Proof?

Oh right. You can’t find proof. Because you’re blindly posting racist and homophobic bigotry. Please go kill yourself in the name of purity.

Ignoring the harassment,

If you wanted to know things, you might want to read a few books

Why don’t you cite some that provide evidence to support your argument?

and you ignore any ideas of looking this up and finding proof.

I ignore the idea of research by asking you to cite sources that back up what you say? How illogical.

I already did my research

So it should be easy to cite then.

Originally posted by Iggyshark:

Ignoring the harassment,

If you wanted to know things, you might want to read a few books

Why don’t you cite some that provide evidence to support your argument?

and you ignore any ideas of looking this up and finding proof.

I ignore the idea of research by asking you to cite sources that back up what you say? How illogical.

I already did my research

So it should be easy to cite then.

I moved to Serious Disc. because I expected people to be more competent than they are in OT. But I was wrong, and you justify that statement. You don’t know a thing you’re talking about, you accuse me of not doing my research but you just bluntly deny my statements with no meaning

but you just bluntly deny my statements with no meaing.

I’m asking you to prove your claims. I could claim the moon is made of cheese, but without proof, it’s senseless. Just like your claims are.

Originally posted by Iggyshark:

but you just bluntly deny my statements with no meaing.

I’m asking you to prove your claims. I could claim the moon is made of cheese, but without proof, it’s senseless. Just like your claims are.

They are not ‘CLAIMS’ if you read Mein Kampf in the full german version (non translated) three times over and inherit history books from your great grandpa who was in the SS. These are FACTS, not CLAIMS.

Originally posted by xRainsx:

Originally posted by Iggyshark:

but you just bluntly deny my statements with no meaing.

I’m asking you to prove your claims. I could claim the moon is made of cheese, but without proof, it’s senseless. Just like your claims are.

They are not ‘CLAIMS’ if you read Mein Kampf in the full german version (non translated) three times over and inherit history books from your great grandpa who was in the SS. These are FACTS, not CLAIMS.

Sir. Mein Kampf is a book authored by Hitler. Explaining his political ideologies. Published in 1925. World War II started in 1939. Unless you are claiming Hitler had prophetic visions of the future that are inherently true because you say so. In which case I should like to direct you to mental professionals.

Did you even read Mein Kampf? Please point to the page where it has facts on the holocaust.

Originally posted by xRainsx:

Originally posted by finkidz5:

Originally posted by Mattstephen6:

The Hitlers

Hitler didn’t think up the plan for the holocaust

But you cannot deny he was a monster.

I can definitely say that the Jews of the mid 1900s were monsters. Hitler did the following:

1. Disliked Jews intensely for 3 reasons:

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

2. Put jews in concentration camps.

Hitler did NOT do the following:

1. He didn’t GAS the jews in chambers.

2. He didn’t throw them into ovens and burn them alive.

3. He didn’t blindly murder millions and millions of jews. (Don’t get me wrong – Jews DID die, read the following):

What DID happen:

1. Hitler put them in camps.

2. Jews died of sicknesses that had nothing to do with the National Socialists OR Hitler.

3. After the Holohoax, Russian Commies built gas chambers AFTER they conquered Germany after World War II.

4. If you take a sec to read a few words, there IS or WAS no evidence of any ‘ashes.’ That’s all lies.

Originally posted by xRainsx:

Originally posted by Iggyshark:

Ignoring the harassment,

If you wanted to know things, you might want to read a few books

Why don’t you cite some that provide evidence to support your argument?

and you ignore any ideas of looking this up and finding proof.

I ignore the idea of research by asking you to cite sources that back up what you say? How illogical.

I already did my research

So it should be easy to cite then.

I moved to Serious Disc. because I expected people to be more competent than they are in OT. But I was wrong, and you justify that statement. You don’t know a thing you’re talking about, you accuse me of not doing my research but you just bluntly deny my statements with no meaning

You…your stupidity blew my mind. Cite sources. What you are saying goes against all conventional knowledge of history, so you are expected to back up your statements. If you cannot be bothered to do that, you are, quite simply, wrong.

This is actually kind of funny, but also kind of sad.

All the proof is pointing against xRainsx , The Holocaust happened before 1945, and you have survivors who have survived and spoke about it. I think he made it up completely just leave it alone.

Arguing with a Holocaust denier is a waste of time guys. You are better off explaining algebra to a rock, at least the rock has a chance of learning something.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Arguing with a Holocaust denier is a waste of time guys. You are better off explaining algebra to a rock, at least the rock has a chance of learning something.

Because you can totally get the attention of a rock.