War and terrorism page 2

Originally posted by sportsmaster19:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Arguing with a Holocaust denier is a waste of time guys. You are better off explaining algebra to a rock, at least the rock has a chance of learning something.

Because you can totally get the attention of a rock.

Rock seems to have more intelligence then he does.

Originally posted by xRainsx:

Originally posted by Iggyshark:

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

And what is wrong with showing porn to legally consenting adults?

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

Not all Jews are bankers, not all bankers steal money.

c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

Purity can be defined variably. I could choose to define it as free of bigotry. Please go kill yourself in the name of purity.

Hitler did NOT do the following:

Proof?

What DID happen:

Proof?

Oh right. You can’t find proof. Because you’re blindly posting racist and homophobic bigotry. Please go kill yourself in the name of purity.

If you wanted to know things, you might want to read a few books instead of editing wikapedia, you trash. You know nothing of the Holocaust, and you ignore any ideas of looking this up and finding proof. I already did my research, you pig.

For some reason, I have a gut feeling that this is a troll. Even though, xRainsx or DrAnonymous:

Please go kill yourself in the name of purity.

QFT.
Bigotry, racism and prejudice is one of the most dumb, unintelligent and wrong things to have stricken mankind. Go die in a fire, xRainsx.

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

Sort of wrong, but that’s not something all Jews did.

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

You know what? Not just Jewish bankers stole money. And very few of them did. This reminds me of something… Hitler’s propaganda

Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

Do you have something against gays?

1. He didn’t GAS the jews in chambers.
2. He didn’t throw them into ovens and burn them alive.
3. He didn’t blindly murder millions and millions of jews. (Don’t get me wrong – Jews DID die, read the following):

You know what? There are pictures and movies of Nazi’s killing Jews by herding them into gas chambers, or into the furnaces that streaked the day skies dark with their smoke. The Final Solution said it would kill off “undesirables” by all and more of the above methods.

What DID happen:
1. Hitler put them in camps.
2. Jews died of sicknesses that had nothing to do with the National Socialists OR Hitler.
3. After the Holohoax, Russian Commies built gas chambers AFTER they conquered Germany after World War II.
4. If you take a sec to read a few words, there IS or WAS no evidence of any ‘ashes.’ That’s all lies.

1. He did do that. He stripped away their humanity and dignity.
2.They died of sickness because there was no medical care. When some GIs found a concentration camp, all that was in the hospital was a knife and a pistol. What health care they did have amounted to performing experiments on them.
3.The USSR did not build the gas chambers. They cleaned up the places, buried the bodies, collected the items, the documents, and sent the former prisoners into the USSR.
4.If you take a second to think, you’d realize you are retarded. Ashes blow away. They don’t stay around forever.

They are not ‘CLAIMS’ if you read Mein Kampf in the full german version (non translated) three times over and inherit history books from your great grandpa who was in the SS. These are FACTS, not CLAIMS.

So, you base all your info on Nazi Propaganda? Mein Kampf was written while Hitler was in jail, in 1925.

Originally posted by sportsmaster19:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Arguing with a Holocaust denier is a waste of time guys. You are better off explaining algebra to a rock, at least the rock has a chance of learning something.

Because you can totally get the attention of a rock.

Better than xRainsx’s.

I have an issue with this:
I am against genocide. I would hope that is agiven. I am against death in general. I hate hate and love love and freedom and hate terror and hate those who hate love and freedom and love terror…
That being said, I still have an issue with these arguments.
xRainsx is being bashed for being a ‘Bigot’, ‘racist’ etc. and this brings to mind two points.
Firstly, I beleive that the actions of Hitler were inevitable and potentially beneficial (in a sobering way) to the course of history. Remember Eugenics. hundreds of world leaders supported eugenics during its time, it was the big thing. Anyone who was anyone knew that eugenics made sense. it was a logical thing. It was like being against whale poaching. EVERYBODY went along with this. There were programs in the united states and other countries geared at sterilizing the ‘feeble minded’ and ‘mentally unfit’ to further a more genetically healthy lineage. Then comes along Hitler, who says that no, we need to go further with this, and that is what woke us up. I say ‘woke us up’ from a solely contextual standpoint, and a more accurate way of saying it would be that it changed our views of what is rigth and wrong. Hitlers actions made us realize what could happe further down this road, and we averted that, and now everyone is deathly afraid of any racial comments whatsoever. Happy ending.
Secondly, and potentially contradictory to the casual observer but clearly not to he who reads this entry carefully, racism is not dead. Rather, prejudice is not dead. Let me explain: Prejudice has merely shifted targets. It is no longer the races being targeted, no longer blacks or jews or irish or mexicans or russians etc. (at least to not as great an extent, in the US.) No, prejudice now lies on the shoulders of the racists. If you met someone on myspace, for instance, and his profile said that he was a proud member of the Ku Klux Klan, you would probably avoid sending him a friend request, simply on this sole fact. In fact, I saw a poster the other day that was a square broken into four quadrents, three of them with a large, normal brain, and the fourth with a smaller brain, about half the size of the others. the three normal sized brains were labeled Asian, White, and Black respectively. The fourth was labeled Racist.
o.O
Does it strike you as odd that the exact format of racist posters used in the past are now used, with the same method, to bash racists? no, prejudice is not dead, it is now simply commonly accepted to be prejudice against people who are such. People need an enemy, and where once were jews are now nazis. Not even tactuful, might I add.

But just to rectify this post, i must comment on war. We (the US) are not fighting terrorists, we are fighting guerillas. hardly even that. We’re occupying a country that happens to contain guerillas who resent our presence. That is all.

Sort of wrong, but that’s not something all Jews did.

How is showing porn to legally consenting adults wrong?

Depends on religion. To me, sort of wrong. I don’t really care what you watch at movies.

Depends on religion. To me, sort of wrong. I don’t really care what you watch at movies.

Okay. You aren’t consenting to watching it. Nobody is forcing you to. How is showing porn to legally consenting adults wrong?

Like I said, I don’t really care.

Okay. You aren’t consenting to watching it. Nobody is forcing you to. How is showing porn to legally consenting adults wrong?

Easy, it’s not.

However, wrong may be open to interpretation.

Exactly. It may not be illegal (like I said: I don’t care), but the moral issue of it may constitute it as wrong. For me, it’s morally constituted as wrong. Do I care if you do something that I think is wrong? Not that much. Unless you kill somebody, or something like that.

I think that denying the holocaust and what Hitler did is a disgrace. And furthermore, all the things listed above (if even true) are no different then any other religion/nation!

Which things?

a. They were publicly displaying homosexual porn films in the local theaters

b. They were bankers, and they stole money.

c. Hitler wanted Germany to be pure; and not infested with these Jewish gays.

Every religion or non-religion has these. So?

Originally posted by 1132:

Every religion or non-religion has these. So?

Wasn’t that his point?

Yeah, but why is that important? Is he just trying to point out that Hitler could have picked any race? Cause then I see his point.

That is exactly my point. People pull these things out just as an excuse to be racial, but it exists in all beliefs. Throughout history if you notice, the Jewish people are constantly being blamed (Bubonic Plague, the death of Christ)

Uh… the Jews did kill Christ. The Jewish elders pressured Pilate into sentencing him to death. It’s in the bible.

Originally posted by 1132:

Uh… the Jews did kill Christ. The Jewish elders pressured Pilate into sentencing him to death. It’s in the bible.

And that makes it true?

You cannot use the Bible as a source, because it is only valid based on your belief. Do you have another source?

Originally posted by finkidz5:

You cannot use the Bible as a source, because it is only valid based on your belief. Do you have another source?

When it comes to the death of Jesus, the Bible is the only source there is to go on. If you don’t believe in it then blaming the Jews for killing Christ is a nonsensical argument anyway. If you do believe in it then you need to accept the events as written.

Uh…Roman records?

It’s not worth arguing about. it’s only one example. But there are countless examples of the Jews being blamed for false things.

Yea. They got blamed for almost everything during their exodus from Israel. People are still blaming them for everything.

Originally posted by finkidz5:

I think that denying the holocaust and what Hitler did is a disgrace.

Everything should be questioned. The only reason anybody would claim something is beyond refutation is either because it is, or because there are known holes to be exploited, and it is clearly not actually beyond refutation if it needs to be defended.
It is cencorship of thought to prohibit the questioning of commonly held beleif.