Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory

Religion is a particularly confusing thing for me, so if you would please help me out with this subject.

If you commit suicide, it is said that you would go to Hell. Well, God has given us choice so basically free will has it’s day off. If we have free will, why does God choose where we shall go. Some people (call me crazy) want to go to Hell or they want to go to Purgatory. It has no appeal to me, but if you could just explain this.

NOTE TO READERS I am not thinking about suicide, just a curiousity about this matter.

you question is confusing

sorry

do people actually want to go to hell? (í won’t make this about if it excists or not)

do people actually want to go to hell?

People who think they’re cool because they pretend to worship fire and shit. Once they realize the whole “eternal damnation” thing isn’t just another way of saying “drunken punk parties” they may change their minds.

Or maybe some people question the goodness of a self proclaimed savior? Satanism isn’t so much blatant anti-establishment as it is critical consideration and carefulness. I admire the satanic religion.

I may be wrong but with satanism arn’t you worshiping satan? Isn’t he self-proclaming that he is great?

I admire the satanic religion.

Here I was under the impression that you didn’t give favor to religions…

Gnosticism or Agnosticism is where belief comes in, and anyone who believes anything with true gnostic claims is arrogant and a fool.

whats the question? :/

That isn’t a claim against religions, it’s a claim against people who claim absolute 100% truth to their beliefs, and that there is no way any other belief can be possible, because that’s arrogant and foolish.

And I still think satanists are adorable in their worship of invisible friends, but the context of their worship is more admirable than other modern religions. Not to say God < Satan. I’m arguing that, as a religion and a moral code, Satanism is more admirable to me. Just as I think Buddhism is more admirable than nearly all western religions.

Are satanists self harmers?

The grammar in this thread makes me want to harm myself.

Please, people, in order to have an actual discussion, we must be able to understand each other. Use proper English when communicating (yes, even if it’s not your first language) and this thread might get somewhere.

I would like to help you pigeontoed, but please could you rewrite the question. No disrespect to you, i understan that its hard to get things across in forums, i’ve done it before aswell.

Basically, what I am asking is Religion. Does it have loop-holes? We have been given free will, but yet there is so many consequences. Some people want to go to Hell or Purgatory. Not I, though. I’m sorry I kinda lost my question there. Well I have my question, but I can’t explain it. I just need some things cleared up.

I don’t see any contradiction between free will and many consequences… It can be easily see in the majority of governing bodies today. The more “freedoms” are given, the more complicated the consequences become. Without consequences, free will couldn’t be “directed” to what is ideal.

It would be better to replace freedoms with liberty’s in this scenario I think.

Santinist are twisted. I don’t beleive in Purgitory (sorry if I spelled it wrong). Purgitory is one of the many things Catholics made up to control their people(its just my opinion, plzz don’t take it against me if you are a Catholic). I think (if we believe in it) that we should all want to go to Heaven. You have to be mentally confused to want to go to Hell.

now, I would like it if BSG wouldn’t use contradictory logic, you said that you admire the Satan worshipers, ok, I don’t, but whatever, then you go on and say that religions aren’t 100 percent true, which, in a purely analytical and neutral position on that, you could argue that that isn’t true, religions believe there are gods, Christianity believes in one God, Shinto believes in many, and so forth. with that in mind, there is an absolute in every religion, whether true or false, there is an absolute, it is either absolutely true, or absolutely false, and yet you say that Buddhism is more admirable then nearly all western religions, your reasoning is because you apparently don’t believe in any sort of true God or gods, since Buddhism does not have any gods, you admire it because it goes with what you believe,also, to debate about Satanism, they simply say there is NO God, they do not use reasoning, they simply say that, how can you admire dogmatists in such a way? I know what you may say, that I am dogmatic, I am not, give me a real reason God doesn’t exist, I’ll listen to your debate and you reasoning, however, no one has given me a true reason why God doesn’t exist.

The burden of proof falls on you (the theists), not on the atheists. Atheism is a natural state: you’re the one claiming that something exists, and as such it is your responsibility to prove it.

What do you mean as evolution is a natural state.

faith is required for certainty as to an undefined God’s existence only.

Believing evolution took place requires no more faith than believing the moon isn’t made of vintage cheddar.

I don’t believe in evelotion and I know ,like anyone else with a brain, that the moon isn’t made out of cheese.

How do you “know” the moon isn’t made out of cheese? What do you know with more confidence, that God exists, that the moon isn’t made out of cheese, or that popular evolutionary theory is false?

Would you call me stupid for not being educated enough to know that evelution is a scientific fact? I am not saying that education will change my mind, it may make my faith stronger. Would that make me a dumb educated person?

I’ll ignore the potential for semantic diversion.

I know that the moon isn’t cheese because when the Appolo(sorry for misspelling) missions flew to the moon they collected rocks and brought them back to earth. I myself have looked at and touched a moon rock at the Kennedy Space Center. That is an easy one to disprove.

I know out of faith that God is real. There is no way to prove it. But there is also no way to disprove it. You cannot prove something that appears to not be there. But the history was recorded and many people had to witness it for it to record it.

I know that the moon isn’t cheese because when the Appolo(sorry for misspelling) missions flew to the moon they collected rocks and brought them back to earth. I myself have looked at and touched a moon rock at the Kennedy Space Center.

You have looked at and touched (both senses, incidentally, fallible) a rock you were told came from the moon and this evidence alone is sufficient for you to throw around a word like ‘know’ or ‘proof’?!

There’s far, far better evidence than that for the moon not being cheese. With a fairly elementary foundation in science and maths you could model how the moon would behave if it was cheese and remove the need for trusting your basic senses, let alone other people. You can prove, or disprove, something you can’t directly sense. And you can prove history to an extent any reasonable being would be satisfied with.