Free market capitalism page 3

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I suggest you cut out the ‘we’ stuff. I don’t particularly like either of the guys you’re talking about, but they aren’t the same guy. Mytie’s right – you can’t stand being wrong. What, for example, does this even mean?

yes, i think the USA is an unbridled free market capitalist country, relative to any other western nation.

So compared to Australia? UK? Canada? lol. Your homeland might be a haven for socialism, but there are plenty that are very similar to the US as far as free market policy goes.

 
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clearly and patently false, as you can easily see by income inequality. the US has far lower taxes than any of those, is only starting to socialise health-care which every other Western natoin has had for a long time, and many more such things.

no, what you just said is patently false, and very ignorant.

" ‘we’ stuff"? anyway, what of it? i merely said they talk alike and…well, you can read. what does that have to do with not being able to stand being wrong? what does that have to do with anything? besides obviously that i’m right about economy, i clearly showed as much, and your rebuttle is just… so.

 
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The Romans used the Denarii thousands of years ago as a form of capital, in exchange for goods and services.

Beegum…that’s your example of Capitalism? I think you need to try again.

 
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Janton, to be fair to Omega, I too often get Beegum and MyTie confused. Their language style and stances are similar, and the avatars being the same doesn’t help. More than once I’ve replied to one only to find it was actually the other one making the argument.

 
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Originally posted by OmegaDoom:>lol. we know you have used sockpuppets MyTie.

When have I ever used a sockpuppet? Name one time.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:

Ah, free market capitalism! What drove us to the 1929 and 2008 stock market crashes. It is such an efficient economic system, isn’t it!

I’m surprised this wasn’t addressed immediately.

Keynesian economics (specifically, the Federal Reserve) was responsible for the 1929 depression; you can hear it from me, or you can hear it from Bernanke himself. When such a big proponent of keynesian application admits that the Fed, not the market, caused the Great Depression, you should at least take skepticism to what you said earlier. As for the 2008 recession, I hear from just about everyone that the bank bailouts and the subsequent mismanagement of investments caused it, which is again not free market. Free market economists are OPPOSED to large involvement by the Fed, and OPPOSED to bailouts or subsidies of any kind.

Feel free to contest any of these points (except for the last one, I’m 100% sure it’s true).

yes, i think the USA is an unbridled free market capitalist country, relative to any other western nation

I’ve consulted a few sources which rank countries by economic freedom and I’ve found that Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland, Chile (not western?), Switzerland, and Denmark regularly rank above the US in terms of economic freedom. All of these countries that rank above us, as well as non-western countries like Singapore and Hong Kong, have some form of universal health care, just to put it into perspective (that is, even with a more privatized healthcare system we still rank below them).

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:

Janton, to be fair to Omega, I too often get Beegum and MyTie confused. Their language style and stances are similar, and the avatars being the same doesn’t help. More than once I’ve replied to one only to find it was actually the other one making the argument.

Fair to Omega? He is the one making accusations. This is nothing but an attempt to smear the opponents because you can’t stand on your own arguments.

Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:
The Romans used the Denarii thousands of years ago as a form of capital, in exchange for goods and services.

Beegum…that’s your example of Capitalism? I think you need to try again.


MyTie… not Beegum. That is an example of capitalism. I don’t need to try again. It only failed because of (brace yourself for a shocker) government mismanagement and overreach. History repeats, and liberals still argue for more government intervention and regulation in an over regulated market. Will they ever learn?

 
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no, the market is not over-regulated. it’s over-DEregulated. it’s the bonusses and bad speculation, price bubbles, all artifacts of market deregulation.

and i’ve seen an entire thread in OT full of sockpuppets you were clearly employing.

 
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Originally posted by OmegaDoom:and i’ve seen an entire thread in OT full of sockpuppets you were clearly employing.

Which thread was that? Why not back this up with some substance instead of accusations. Name the thread.

 
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Still waiting. Name the thread. We both know it doesn’t exist, but I want to see you admit that you don’t have a thread to name. You’re a friggin liar. When faced with an argument you can’t debate against, you attempted to smear my character. You failed at it. How many posts do I even have in off-topic? 5 total? lol

Next time, attack the argument, not the person.

 
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calm down Tie. i was clearly not faced with an argument i couldn’t debate against. i clearly debated against it. YOU on the other hand have been making a big deal out of it without replying to my argument.

and no i didn’t make a clipnote of that particular thread, no. this was months ago.

 
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Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

calm down Tie. i was clearly not faced with an argument i couldn’t debate against. i clearly debated against it. YOU on the other hand have been making a big deal out of it without replying to my argument.

and no i didn’t make a clipnote of that particular thread, no. this was months ago.

No, by calling me a sockpuppet you argued against me, not the argument. You can’t identify when I’ve ever done this, though. Now you’re trying to backpedal. Either identify when I’ve ever used a different account, and how this has caused me to be a “known sockpuppeter”, or admit that you just made it up. If you want, you can look back through my posts for when I’ve posted in Off-Topic. I made a few posts in a thread about a game or something, but that’s it. You simply made up this thread that you can’t remember, months ago. So lame.

 
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This should really be taken to your shouts page, either one of you.

 
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Agreed that it doesn’t belong here. I think my point is sufficiently made, though.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:

Ah, free market capitalism! What drove us to the 1929 and 2008 stock market crashes. It is such an efficient economic system, isn’t it!

Apparently you’ve never read any books by Ludwig von Mises or Ayn Rand. It explains how the crashes were NOT caused by Liberalism, but actually by the government and the Federal Reserve being assholes as always.

 
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Sorry MyTie, you and Beegum had the same avatar…I wrongly assumed he had replied to my question.

Anyhow, I think your example is out of context to what is actually being discussed. Your example is not Free Market Capitalism, but a form of capital…the Romans were not practising Capitalism in the sense we are talking about here.

 
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Originally posted by WolfgangAzureus:
Originally posted by JaumeBG:

Ah, free market capitalism! What drove us to the 1929 and 2008 stock market crashes. It is such an efficient economic system, isn’t it!

Apparently you’ve never read any books by Ludwig von Mises or Ayn Rand. It explains how the crashes were NOT caused by Liberalism, but actually by the government and the Federal Reserve being assholes as always.

lol. I sadly have – The Fountainhead.

I’m not a libertarian, but if I were i’d probably be embarassed that you decided to put Mises and Rand together as like-minded sages.

 
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Why is that so?

 
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Free market eh?
Its like an untamed un bound horse. It will trample you unless the man puts a rope in its neck.

 
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because mises, despite my many disagreements with him, is a fairly accurate commentator of his time, and a good political theorist. Rand is neither. She was a purveyor of crass ‘philosophical’ pulp-lit, and lately, a rallying point for tea party rednecks who can’t understand Mises so they read her dumbed-down prose instead.

 
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Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:

Sorry MyTie, you and Beegum had the same avatar…I wrongly assumed he had replied to my question.

Anyhow, I think your example is out of context to what is actually being discussed. Your example is not Free Market Capitalism, but a form of capital…the Romans were not practising Capitalism in the sense we are talking about here.

I see. I think that an entirely unregulated economy is inviting to snake oil salesmen, but at the same time, slightly too much regulation is an economic death sentence to entire communities. While I may not agree with Free Market Capitalism, I do agree with Nearly Free Market Capitalism.

 
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Originally posted by MyTie:
Originally posted by FlabbyWoofWoof:

Sorry MyTie, you and Beegum had the same avatar…I wrongly assumed he had replied to my question.

Anyhow, I think your example is out of context to what is actually being discussed. Your example is not Free Market Capitalism, but a form of capital…the Romans were not practising Capitalism in the sense we are talking about here.

I see. I think that an entirely unregulated economy is inviting to snake oil salesmen, but at the same time, slightly too much regulation is an economic death sentence to entire communities. While I may not agree with Free Market Capitalism, I do agree with Nearly Free Market Capitalism.

Just to be clear I don’t want totally free market capitalism either. State capitalism on the other hand…