Secession of States post Obama re-election page 7

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Originally posted by JaumeBG:

Eh, I’m not sure why the petitions ever became news if this is common knowledge. Your average petition is not newsworthy. But these became news because some people are delusional enough to believe such petitions can make them independent. Maybe next time, people such as jhco and other secessionists-when-convenient, ought to read the Constitution’s regard on secessionism.

Whoever said I was a secessionist? I have never made that claim. I can tell you why it become newsworthy. The government will not respond to a petition on that site until it reaches 25K signatures in 30 days. Some of these are pushing way over that amount. I think I read somewhere, Texas was at 900,000 or so. I know what the constitution says on secession of the states.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

All of the disappointment in the recent elections have caused this feeling of helplessness in about half the American people.

Methinks that’s the half that didn’t vote for Obama.

And doesn’t this happen with almost every election? People are dissatisfied with the winner and feel like they have no voice, or something?

I told you guys I heard the wealthy were moving their money out of the country and companies were closing down or moving and this link gives but one statement about it.

Okay, unless I’m completely off-base here, isn’t that something that you want to avoid in order to create a healthy economy?

Originally posted by jhco50:

Whoever said I was a secessionist?

No-one did, that’s because it was a secessionist-when-convinient, there’s a big difference.

I have never made that claim. I can tell you why it become newsworthy. The government will not respond to a petition on that site until it reaches 25K signatures in 30 days. Some of these are pushing way over that amount. I think I read somewhere, Texas was at 900,000 or so. I know what the constitution says on secession of the states.

Which means that Congress is going to respond to them, it doesn’t say anything about actually letting them, especially considering that you’re including one too many zeros for Texas and in actuallity 900,000 signatures is more close to the total throughout the country, which isn’t even one percent of the people in the U.S.

 
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I think I read somewhere, Texas was at 900,000 or so.

jhco, you know what’s one thing I dislike that you do…? You nearly always base your facts off “I read somewhere” or “I heard somewhere” without a) giving us evidence; b) checking to see if that evidence is true.

900,000? Are you serious?

Now, let’s do something you dislike, previously seen in presidential polls, and now here we are again… proving facts. Today we’ll prove how your 900,000 figure is complete and utter bogus.

Source.

Number of signatures? 119,285.

900,000? Your excessive amount of lies/misinformation never fails to astound me.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:
I think I read somewhere, Texas was at 900,000 or so.

jhco, you know what’s one thing I dislike that you do…? You nearly always base your facts off “I read somewhere” or “I heard somewhere” without a) giving us evidence; b) checking to see if that evidence is true.

900,000? Are you serious?

Now, let’s do something you dislike, previously seen in presidential polls, and now here we are again… proving facts. Today we’ll prove how your 900,000 figure is complete and utter bogus.

Source.

Number of signatures? 119,285.

900,000? Your excessive amount of lies/misinformation never fails to astound me.

Like I said, it was hearsay. Still they are way over what is required to be noticed by both the feds and the media. Really, the 900,000 was and is not important as the point of the post was it was high enough to be noticed. You are nitpicking on non-declared facts.

 
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Yet again jhco has to be proven incorrect by… facts.

Originally posted by jhco50:

All of the disappointment in the recent elections have caused this feeling of helplessness in about half the American people.

Disappointment? Obama won the majority of the popular vote twice. Let me repeat, because you always seem to forget this fact: Obama won the majority of the popular vote twice. Recent U.S. presidents that did not do that: George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy, Harry S. Truman. As you can see, most recent U.S. presidents are incapable of doing just that. If the majority of people on November 7 this year or on November 4 in 2008 were not satisfied with Barack Obama they would not have voted for him. Something you seem to dislike: the democratic process; twice in the democratic process in the United States in the past four years the people of the United States voted in their majority for Barack Obama.

Other sources because you dislike Wikipedia even though Wikipedia only has information that comes from highly-regarded and/or peer-reviewed sources: Massachusetts Institute of Technology (are you going to dismiss MIT’s evidence too?), Dave Leip.

In about one week or maybe even right now you will continue with your spew, disinformation, and misinformation about Barack Obama making people feel “disappointed”, or “helpless”; but before you do just that as a result of you refusing to look at the evidence yet again, let me repeat: Obama has won the majority of the popular vote twice. The majority of American voters have voted for Barack Obama. Key words: majority, twice.

 
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yay Obama.

Somethang’ bout’ texas wanting to secede. Three minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S92fTz_-kQE

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by jhco50:

All of the disappointment in the recent elections have caused this feeling of helplessness in about half the American people.

Methinks that’s the half that didn’t vote for Obama.

And doesn’t this happen with almost every election? People are dissatisfied with the winner and feel like they have no voice, or something?

I told you guys I heard the wealthy were moving their money out of the country and companies were closing down or moving and this link gives but one statement about it.

Okay, unless I’m completely off-base here, isn’t that something that you want to avoid in order to create a healthy economy?

Originally posted by jhco50:

Whoever said I was a secessionist?

No-one did, that’s because it was a secessionist-when-convinient, there’s a big difference.

I have never made that claim. I can tell you why it become newsworthy. The government will not respond to a petition on that site until it reaches 25K signatures in 30 days. Some of these are pushing way over that amount. I think I read somewhere, Texas was at 900,000 or so. I know what the constitution says on secession of the states.

Which means that Congress is going to respond to them, it doesn’t say anything about actually letting them, especially considering that you’re including one too many zeros for Texas and in actuallity 900,000 signatures is more close to the total throughout the country, which isn’t even one percent of the people in the U.S.

Yes, the half that didn’t vote for Obama. This doesn’t happen every election. In fact, this is the first election that I feel we as a country have totally screwed the pooch. I never felt like our country was close to the end and always felt, well there is always next time. I don’t feel that way now. I will be honest, the direction our country is going is not where we should be going. We have always been an independent country who felt pride in our accomplishments. We are now heading for a nanny state and we will not be able to maintain it, leading to a big downfall.

No, absolutely not. This is taking our wealth out of the country to another country. This will really put a squeeze on the economy, causing more disruption.

Congress is supposed to respond to treaties. If however, they refuse to accept it, Obama will make an end run around them. He will executive order it. He does not have the welfare of America in his mind on any of this stuff he is doing. To be honest, I don’t think he cares about the welfare of America at all.

 
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jhco, this is what happens in countries with democratic elections. If you do not like the democratic process, you can go to Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or you can do like Adolf Hitler and make a political party that promises to abolish democracy.

Stop whinging about the fact that the majority of Americans disagree with your opinions.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:

jhco, this is what happens in countries with democratic elections. If you do not like the democratic process, you can go to Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or you can do like Adolf Hitler and make a political party that promises to abolish democracy.

Stop whinging about the fact that the majority of Americans disagree with your opinions.

As I said, this is the first election I have felt enormous apprehension about. We can talk 4 years from now, if we are still free enough to use the internet. I feel that nervous about our future.

 
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Hey Tenco, my state only made pot legal. The others will come next year.

 
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Hmm, who introduced CISPA? Who introduced SOPA? Those two bills which initiated a plethora of new similar anti-privacy and anti-internet bills, who introduced them?

And again, here we are. Me, a foreigner proving jhco incorrect on his own misinformed politics.

Republicans introduced both bills.

Source, source.

No, it’s not Obama’s fault. No, it’s not the Democrats’ fault. No. You are objectively incorrect on the internet and privacy.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI) and Rep. Lamar S. Smith (R-TX).

So blame Republicans in Michigan and Texas for voting for them, don’t blame Barack Obama or any other such unrelated politician.

You are full of misinformation. Stop watching Fox News, read the internet, read the House bills, read the Senate bills; don’t accuse Democrats for something they have not done.

 
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Jaume, I never said I trusted the repubs explicitly. They are almost as corrupt as the dems, just in a different direction. But if it is important to you to think you have somehow proven something wrong, you go ahead. when did I mention those two programs and when did I say I felt the internet was private? You are getting desperate.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:
when did I mention those two programs and when did I say I felt the internet was private?

You were talking aobut freedom to use the Internet. He was talking about how two major bills that threatened the Internet’s freedom of use were both made by Republicans. You see the connection?

 
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We can talk 4 years from now, if we are still free enough to use the internet. I feel that nervous about our future.

No, you didn’t say the internet was getting private, and neither did I. You’re perusing my post instead of looking at what I am saying. You’re saying that internet freedom and privacy are at risk. And I agree with that.

In case you didn’t know, CISPA and SOPA are the most harming bills on internet freedom and privacy. CISPA has been passed by the majority Republican House.

You have no knowledge of these bills it seems, and if that is so, then that is saddening. If you do, it does not seem like you do in your post.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

…if we are still free enough to use the internet


…pointless fearmongering.

Originally posted by jhco50:

Hey Tenco, my state only made pot legal. The others will come next year.

Maybe, maybe not. I’m honestly surprised that Colorado spearheaded the movement to legalize MJ. It’s like—where the hell did that come from? I would have expected Oregon, New York, or at least California to jump on first.

 
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To be honest, I saw this coming when they legalized it for medical purposes. I agreed with that, but didn’t like the way they organized it. I could see where it would be going from there though. I really don’t know how far they are going to take it, but wouldn’t be surprised if they tried another shot at the bigger drugs in the near future.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:
We can talk 4 years from now, if we are still free enough to use the internet. I feel that nervous about our future.

No, you didn’t say the internet was getting private, and neither did I. You’re perusing my post instead of looking at what I am saying. You’re saying that internet freedom and privacy are at risk. And I agree with that.

In case you didn’t know, CISPA and SOPA are the most harming bills on internet freedom and privacy. CISPA has been passed by the majority Republican House.

You have no knowledge of these bills it seems, and if that is so, then that is saddening. If you do, it does not seem like you do in your post.

I thought they stopped those bills when they got so much resistance? I really don’t have much knowledge of those bills. Maybe I should look at them closer.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by jhco50:
when did I mention those two programs and when did I say I felt the internet was private?

You were talking aobut freedom to use the Internet. He was talking about how two major bills that threatened the Internet’s freedom of use were both made by Republicans. You see the connection?

I see. I don’t feel comfortable with either party Tenco. However, I feel better with the republicans than I do Obama. You know, both parties have changed drastically from their original form. The democrats used to be for the working person and the republicans only for big business, but those times are no longer here. The democrat party has become socialist, or as they like to be called, progressive. The republican party has just fragmented and don’t know who they are for. I honestly think the democrats corrupted the election and the republicans let them do it. Keep in mind, I am not a fan of big government and I think government has gone too far to the left and we no longer have any division that is recognizable. Just like the house caving to all of Obama’s demands on the fiscal cliff. Well, not all of them, but they are sure bowing to the administration. I’m surprised Obama doesn’t just make another executive order.

I was reading an article (I will try to find it again) where the democrats sued the republicans onetime for accusing them of corruption and trying to investigate it. Now the republicans are barred from investigating any improprieties in an election. When I read that my jaw dropped. The judge that ruled in favor of the democrats has since retired, but somehow he comes back every time the bill is about to sunset and renews it. I know it sounds far out and I could hardly believe it.

 
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The democrat party has become socialist,

Your comprehension of the word “socialist” again is proven to be inexistent.

Even Sweden is not a socialist country. You do not understand the difference between social democracy and socialism. Moreover, the United States is not even a social democracy under Obama.

 
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Ok, let me be more specific and see if this is better. How about communism? Or is there 40 or 50 different definitions of that too?

 
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Are you affirming that the United States right now is a communist country?

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Ok, let me be more specific and see if this is better. How about communism? Or is there 40 or 50 different definitions of that too?

Ya know, folks….jake-o wonders why he is saddled w/ the label of lacking credibility.

Then, he proves the point by making a statement like the above.
When all he really needed to do to find an answer to his question was Google communism

“The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism….”

If I read this right, I’m guessing there are about as many “definitions” of communism as there are ppl’s minds. Of course, there are a lot of them that have an umbilical cord attached to a shit factory (Faux News), et. al.

 
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Originally posted by JaumeBG:

Are you affirming that the United States right now is a communist country?

I’m referring to Obama and his administration.- Although, you might not be too far off in the near future. We Americans are getting a triple whammy right now in the case of taxes. You know, when the feds raise taxes on businesses, who do you think really pays for thos taxes? We the people, with higher prices. This is not to mention the devaluation of our investments, homes, retirement funds, etc. On top of that every one of us is going to have extremely high taxes laid on us. Remember Obama promising you wouldn’t have higher taxes unless you made $200,000 or more? Well, it was a lie.

 
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The mistake jhco makes is to equate the United States’ capitalism with communism. The United States has no communist political spectrum; neither is Wall Street communist—Wall Street would not exist under a communist state. The fact that corporatocracy, big companies, Wall Street, etc. exist is proof of the United States neither being socialist nor communist.