Profiles In Communism

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I’m taking a basic, straightforward look at communist countries, past and present.

Yes, I understand that none of these are or were actually communist, according to the specifications of Theoretical Communism, which has never existed in real life. These are what happen when people take another go at it, so that they can “get it right this time”. And be doomed to fail.

*Note: “Domestic Death-Toll” refers to domestic political dissident/undesirable/opponent executions in communist countries.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Dictators: Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin
Domestic Death-Toll: 23.03 million (23,030,000)

Communist Cambodia
Dictators: Pol Pot
Domestic Death-Toll: 2.5 million (2,500,000)

Communist North Korea
Dictators: Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, Kim Jong-un
Domestic Death-Toll: 3.7 million (3,700,000)

Communist Cuba
Dictators: Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Raul Castro
Domestic Death-Toll: 85,000

Soviet China
Dictators: Mao Zedong
Domestic Death-Toll: 78 million (78,000,000)

These are certainly not all communist countries profiled here. Perhaps if I have more time I will add more.

Laos, Vietnam, and China are undergoing free-market, capitalist reform, so IN THEIR CURRENT FORMS they do not or otherwise will not appear here.

Links:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_genocide
http://theswash.com/liberty/the-holodomor-stalins-communist-genocide
http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_cambodia.html
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-genocide-studies-needed/

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/GENOCIDE.HTM
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/12waystodenygenocide.html

 
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Think you may need to look at your impartiality. It is an interesting enough topic, honestly. But you’ve got far too much of a soap box polemic going on to make this appealing to anyone.

 
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Ho Chi Minh was North Vietnamese, not North Korean. At least try to get your basic facts right in the OP, even if you write bollocks the rest of the time. You might like to check up on Che Guevara too.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

Ho Chi Minh was North Vietnamese, not North Korean. At least try to get your basic facts right in the OP, even if you write bollocks the rest of the time.

Whoops, thanks for that. I typed this in like 2 minutes, so bear with me.

*corrected, although I haven’t put in Vietnam yet

 
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Originally posted by Ungeziefer:

Think you may need to look at your impartiality. It is an interesting enough topic, honestly. But you’ve got far too much of a soap box polemic going on to make this appealing to anyone.

Yeah, sorry if that was what came across in writing.

I noticed there’s always an argument around communism, so I jotted this down as a reminder…

 
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Do you want to me look up how many people died early because of the industrial revolution?

 
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@PatriotSaint Once again, too many labels and zero facts. “Communist countries”, “dictators”, etc. Seems more like a typical stream-of-consciousness post in Russian section of LiveJournal, than an actual starting point for a discussion. Boring.

 
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Originally posted by thijser:

Do you want to me look up how many people died early because of the industrial revolution?

Sure. Then post it here for us to compare.

 
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Originally posted by Player609:

@PatriotSaint Once again, too many labels and zero facts. “Communist countries”, “dictators”, etc. Seems more like a typical stream-of-consciousness post in Russian section of LiveJournal, than an actual starting point for a discussion. Boring.

What do you want to call them?

“Emergency Leaders”?

Yeah, sounds a bit cuddlier. Just a bit.

It’s a FACT that these people were dictators and its also a FACT that the death-tolls listed here can be looked up. They are HARD STATISTICS. Of course, you can always pretend these people never existed.

Are you actually trying to say that none of these leaders were dictators, and that none of these people died?

If the Kimmy Dynasty is not a line of communist dictators, then what are they? That question goes for every person listed here.

 
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Originally posted by thijser:

Do you want to me look up how many people died early because of the industrial revolution?

Yes

 
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These countries were not Marxist at their peak. Why, you ask? Well it’s simple:

Let us now picture to ourselves, by way of change, a community of free individuals, carrying on their work with the means of production in common, in which the labour power of all the different individuals is consciously applied as the combined labour power of the community.

- Das Kapital Volume 1, Chapter 1 by Karl Marx

Basically, Marxism calls for the entire population, the workers, to control the means of production.

The essential question when assessing whether communist states were is to determine who controlled the means of production. And in the case of most communist states, the single-party government Leninist/Stalinist controlled it.

Furthermore, it depends on which sect of communism you’re referring to. If you fancy the supposedly-utopian Marxism, then you should not construct a state in the shape of the Soviet Union, Cuba, China or Cambodia. In fact, you should abolish it. If your specialty is Stalinism, then yes, you should look at these countries.

 
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I like how you represent these as not communism, since they weren’t. However, you claim that they were doomed to fail because they are communism, which is not true. The reason is because all of them had bad leaders.

Also, Ernesto Che Guevara was never a leader of Cuba.

 
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Originally posted by SWATLLAMA:

I like how you represent these as not communism, since they weren’t. However, you claim that they were doomed to fail because they are communism, which is not true. The reason is because all of them had bad leaders.

Also, Ernesto Che Guevara was never a leader of Cuba.

If you read my post, you would have known that I acknowledged the fact that none of these countries were actually communist, because communism has never existed and will never exist among humans.

“They didn’t fail because they were communist, they failed because they had bad leaders (that happened to be communists)!”

You may have noticed that every communist country in the world that has ever existed has, or has had bad leaders.

Guevara was the Cuban Communist frontman; he supplied communism with movie-star looks and more deaths under it’s belt.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

If you read my post, you would have known that I acknowledged the fact that none of these countries were actually communist, because communism has never existed and will never exist among humans.

He did, and he did in his first sentence:

Originally posted by SWATLLAMA:

I like how you represent these as not communism, since they weren’t.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

If you read my post, you would have known that I acknowledged the fact that none of these countries were actually communist, because communism has never existed and will never exist among humans.

He did, and he did in his first sentence:

Originally posted by SWATLLAMA:

I like how you represent these as not communism, since they weren’t.

Yeah, that is my point.

None of these were actually communist as communism has never existed and never will exist.

 
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Originally posted by kevinmitnick:

these numbers are obviously made-up by the rightist conservative racist governments

they are afraid of comunism because they want to be the 0,01%

1. You can look up these FACTS anywhere. They are hard numbers. What, over 100 million people just never existed?

2. Go back to your cave.

 
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Originally posted by kevinmitnick:

Nice reply. Well, assuming you actually replied.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

Yeah, that is my point.

None of these were actually communist as communism has never existed and never will exist.

Then why did you try to correct him when he agreed with you?

Honestly, this is why I think that you’re trolling, because you miss these obvious things, which is something trolls often do in order to agitate people.

Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

1. You can look up these FACTS anywhere. They are hard numbers. What, over 100 million people just never existed?

2. Go back to your cave.

Do you really not see that he’s just trolling.

 
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Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

Yeah, that is my point.

None of these were actually communist as communism has never existed and never will exist.

Then why did you try to correct him when he agreed with you?

Honestly, this is why I think that you’re trolling, because you miss these obvious things, which is something trolls often do in order to agitate people.

Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

1. You can look up these FACTS anywhere. They are hard numbers. What, over 100 million people just never existed?

2. Go back to your cave.

Do you really not see that he’s just trolling.

1. Yes, I understand that he agrees with me, but from a different side. So I clarified.

2. Yeah, I know he was trolling. That doesn’t justify being an idiot.

3. Unless you are going to add to this discussion, join kevinmitnick in his cave.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:

1. Yes, I understand that he agrees with me, but from a different side. So I clarified.

And you clarified something that needed no clarification, as well as restated exactly what he said as if he didn’t say it.

2. Yeah, I know he was trolling. That doesn’t justify being an idiot.

Yes it does, because often when someone wants to troll they act like an idiot.

3. Unless you are going to add to this discussion, join kevinmitnick in his cave.

And what question did you bring forth, because I can’t find anything in your OP but statements about statistics and no questions that could start a specific discussion.

 
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Originally posted by PatriotSaint:
Originally posted by kevinmitnick:

Nice reply. Well, assuming you actually replied.

t’was a trollface.jpg ____

 
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tenco-

1. He responded with the idea that he knew something I didn’t. I let him know that he’s wrong.

He is right, but he is also wrong.

Theoretical Communism is the utopia kind that has never existed and never will exist.

Real-Life Communism is the only one that has existed in the real world, and will always exist as long as somebody new tries and fails to reach Theoretical Communism, and will always result in a lot of political prison camps and dead people.

2. Wow. Being a serial troll is a great defense.

3. Let me clarify. Unless you are going to say something actually related to the topic (trying to defend communism, “it’s not all bad” etc etc.), than you can join kevin in his cave.