What would it be like with no emotions? page 4

How can you get normal emotions? It’s not like you can compare what each person feels.

Why not?

You don’t have to feel what everyone else feels for it to be an emotion.

If the term does not have a basis in some standard, then it is worthless.

Couldn’t the standard be your own?

And because there’s no way to put your mind into someone else’s and judge if it feels the exact same way.

There are still ways to compare, they just wouldn’t be “perfect”.

Originally posted by Syneil:

There are still ways to compare, they just wouldn’t be “perfect”.

Exactly.

And what method would be perfect? Experiences are recalled and reported differently depending on the surrounding context of the experience, so not even access to the very qualia of another would be “perfect”.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Pain isn’t an emotion.

According to a number of scientific standards it is.

Physical pain is not an emotion, just like Ferret mentioned that hunger is not. It can generate or alter emotions though.

Originally posted by Syneil:

And what method would be perfect? Experiences are recalled and reported differently depending on the surrounding context of the experience, so not even access to the very qualia of another would be “perfect”.

Again, exactly.

I seem to have misunderstood the side you’re arguing then.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Originally posted by darkfrogger:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

I disagree with this statement, as to my understanding pain is a reaction to stimuli, to which your body processes as pain

Every emotion is a reaction to stimuli.

Are we talking about physical pain or mental pain?

Every emotion.

Physical pain isn’t an emotion.

Some emotional psychologists, such as Klaus Scherer, argue that emotions are just a sub-set of “affective-states”, which includes things like pain and pleasure. I haven’t been able to find a reference for a psychologist saying “pain is an emotion”.

like pain and pleasure

some people want pain for pleasure, emotions are relative to the subject

so?

Originally posted by Syneil:

Some emotional psychologists, such as Klaus Scherer, argue that emotions are just a sub-set of “affective-states”, which includes things like pain and pleasure. I haven’t been able to find a reference for a psychologist saying “pain is an emotion”.

You mean like the one I already cited?

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

An unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage, or described in terms of such damage.

It is unquestionably a sensation in a part or parts of the body, but it is also always unpleasant and therefore also an emotional experience.

IASP

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Originally posted by arcaneCoder:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Pain isn’t an emotion.

According to a number of scientific standards it is.

Physical pain is not an emotion, just like Ferret mentioned that hunger is not. It can generate or alter emotions though.

Define emotion then.

I will cite a few definitions:

the affective aspect of consciousness : feeling b: a state of feeling c: a conscious mental reaction (as anger or fear) subjectively experienced as strong feeling usually directed toward a specific object and typically accompanied by physiological and behavioral changes in the body

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

The emotions are generally understood as representing a synthesis of subjective experience, expressive behaviour, and neurochemical activity.

Encyclopedia Britannica.

Neither of these preclude pain from being an emotion.

Here are a few articles that support the idea of pain as an emotion:

Pain and Emotion: Relationship Revisited
Pain and Negative Emotion: Towards an Interdisciplinary Synthesis

etc.

Originally posted by darkfrogger

Physical pain isn’t an emotion.

It is, It hurts, Which can make you cry or sad. Which are emotions!

Originally posted by Vanguarde:

I would be SaintAjora, mindlessly quoting bullshit stats all day.

I dunno, I personally like them. I’d rather read a well thought out post with evidence to back it than a poorly constructed, unsupported one.

Originally posted by Vanguarde:

I would be SaintAjora, mindlessly quoting bullshit stats all day.

How many times do people have to tell you that this isn’t the forum for personal attacks?

Originally posted by ruudiluca:

Originally posted by darkfrogger

Physical pain isn’t an emotion.

It is, It hurts, Which can make you cry or sad. Which are emotions!

Pain isn’t an emotion. It merely creates them. You wouldn’t call your video games emotions, would you? Even if they makes you happy, sad, etc…

Ferretferret took the words right out of my mouth.

Ferret, did you read anything I posted? I already addressed why it is an emotion.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Ferret, did you read anything I posted? I already addressed why it is an emotion.

Yes, and this is a discussion forum, is it not? I think I have a right to argue what is an emotion and what is not.

boringness.

think I have a right to argue what is an emotion and what is not.

You didn’t argue, you completely ignored it.

Let me summarize:

Emotion – Combination of an experience, a behavior, and a neurochemical activity.

Pain – Is an experience, results in various behaviors, results in neurochemical activity.

Pain = Emotion.

Anything that isn’t clear?

I wish I had no emotion. =/

it sucks to have no emotion. i can’t laugh, i cant cry. i don’t get angry. i know when somethign is wrong or good or bad, but i can’t feel it. i’m liek a zombie, just walking around with to heart or soul. this is not somehtign i would wish on my worst enemy. it’s awful.

Why would it be “awful” if you don’t have emotion?