Is God really real? page 12

Originally posted by Rubixcube7:

Originally posted by MyDreamName:

Rubix, what Lone is trying to say, I believe, is if you had seen explicit proof that God exists, or only these “miracles” which imply that He does?

1. I have seen god’s work in my mom because she changed from a violent person to a peaceful person.
2. I watch ABC news (Good Morning America and World News) on a regular basis and I have seen too many instances when a person should have died and didn’t.
3. I believe that miracles are proof that god is real for some people while for others it isn’t and they call it “Luck”.

How are 1 and 2 “miracles”?

Are you saying that these are impossible under purely natural circumstances?

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Originally posted by MyDreamName:

Rubix, what Lone is trying to say, I believe, is if you had seen explicit proof that God exists, or only these “miracles” which imply that He does?

To clarify more, I find it far more likely that Rubix may have been hallucinating/seeing things, or jumping to conclusions when it comes to proof for god.

There’s no way to know what’s made up if there’s no scientific/credible proof.

1. “Doubting Thomas” Look it up.
2. Just because science cannot explain or prove something that doesn’t mean that the something doesn’t exist.

1. I have seen god’s work in my mom because she changed from a violent person to a peaceful person.

And I have seen that god does not exists, because a cancer victim just had her life ruined in the span of 6 months due to a mistake by a hospital, and by how my brother committed suicide.

2. I watch ABC news (Good Morning America and World News) on a regular basis and I have seen too many instances when a person should have died and didn’t.

What?

3. I believe that miracles are proof that god is real for some people while for others it isn’t and they call it “Luck”.

How on earth does that work?

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1. “Doubting Thomas” Look it up.

No, show me.

2. Just because science cannot explain or prove something that doesn’t mean that the something doesn’t exist.

Then why should we care? There’s no way to know if it’s true or not then.

Also, another problem is that ABC news and those documentaries about people surviving tragic events aren’t exactly going to go over the hundreds of individual people who die, either.

Also, science has not explained or disproven the concept of “GOD,” but it has certainly conflicted with almost the whole bible.

If God didn’t create the universe, then there has to be a scientific explanation akin to it

akin to what? akin to “God did it”? that’s not an explanation. either give an explanation for how the universe was created, or stop pretending you have one. and even if there is indeed a God that created the universe, that is in no way relevant to a scientific explanation we are in fact trying to figure out. there is a how it happened that we have yet to explained, with or without a God.

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone. I am now withdrawing from this forum since I touched a sensitive issue. If anyone wants to talk to me then you can leave me a shout. From now on I won’t be in this forum.

Mydreamname, I was referring to life and death situations when I ment miracles and I also think that a miracle can happen anywhere and anytime even in natural instances.

Again I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

please don’t be so intimidated by critical thinking. LoneLucas might have been a little, uhm, brash or something but that’s cause we’ve seen it a thousand times before. he was just critiquing your ideas, because honestly, religious people tend to not be critical enough about their ideas, instead following intellectual conformism, which can potentially be very dangerous. these issues do matter, a lot.

Originally posted by Rubixcube7:

Originally posted by MyDreamName:

Rubix, what Lone is trying to say, I believe, is if you had seen explicit proof that God exists, or only these “miracles” which imply that He does?

1. I have seen god’s work in my mom because she changed from a violent person to a peaceful person.
2. I watch ABC news (Good Morning America and World News) on a regular basis and I have seen too many instances when a person should have died and didn’t.
3. I believe that miracles are proof that god is real for some people while for others it isn’t and they call it “Luck”.

1. this can be explained in a thousand different ways, but you choose to explain it as the works of God. a presumption is not proof. what about fate, karma, aliens, ghosts or evil spirits, or what about her own willpower?
2. same.
3. if you make a presumption, which you admit doing by using the word “believe”, then it’s not proof. you BELIEVE it’s the hand of God, i BELIEVE it’s luck chance and other such variables — neither can be proven, nor can we prove it isn’t aliens, fairies, gaia, or some kind of wizards.

we aren’t offended, we just care about sensible ideas because we live together in the same society.

As a Christian, I believe God exists. I am not saying that everyone has to be a Christian, because we get to choose our own religion, but I would still suggest it. Plus, we do have proof. 1. The Bible. 2. Read Heaven Is For Real. It boosts faith a LOT.

1. The Bible.

Facedesk

2. Read Heaven Is For Real. It boosts faith a LOT.

Uh, what?

Originally posted by PickleGirl:

1. The Bible.

We all know that all of the religions are correct, Bob. Why are you making fun of PickleGirl for that?

See: Each relevant holy text.

Originally posted by PickleGirl: 1. The Bible.

I wonder what would happen if we got the main characters from the book Inkheart to read the Bible.

“And do not let your evil inclination assure you that the grave is a refuge for you — for against your will were you created, against your will were you born, against your will do you live, against your will will you die, and against your will will you stand in judgment before the King of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.”
PART 1
PART 2
I do recommend to read it through, it has some crucial points on understanding ourselves, the world, and G-d.
And even though it LOOKS pessimistic and dark, it actually isn’t.
It refers to some way more profound things, that we rarely think about in our lives, though we actually should…
At least, read it through before jabbing a sarcasm, OK?
I’m pretty sure, your sarcasm will diminish too.
Actually, my reasons for bringing this specific article, were that “atheism” is exactly an ideology of “grave is my refuge and my end”, both being a huge temptation to misbehave and/or be depressed.
But those who believe and TRUST G-d and His judgment, have a “vaccine” against both pessimism and pointless “freedom”.

Originally posted by somebody613:

But those who believe and TRUST G-d and His judgment, have a “vaccine” against both pessimism and pointless “freedom”.

On the contrary, religion can actually be an awesome depression starter. Want an example?

“And do not let your evil inclination assure you that the grave is a refuge for you — for against your will were you created, against your will were you born, against your will do you live, against your will will you die, and against your will will you stand in judgment before the King of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.”

This exact way of thinking was the reason why I originally started to doubt this religion I was born in. And I am glad that I did, because otherwise I would certainly still be down.

And what is this pointless freedom you are always bringing up? Religious people can be just as irresponsible as atheists. After all, they are in God’s team and big daddy will make everything good in the end when you’re part of the elite…

Actually, my reasons for bringing this specific article, were that “atheism” is exactly an ideology of “grave is my refuge and my end”

This is not true. To me it it is an ideology of using my life right now to fulfil my dreams and not focus on some mystical time afterwards. It’s a huge source of motivation that pushes me and forces me to be active and not put my trust in some unknowable force that might just as well use me as a lab rat for a sick game it is playing.

Aside from that, this doesn’t have to do anything with the topic.

EPR
You don’t seem to have read the actual link, am I right?
Well…
It may end up by me simply quoting it, though I prefer not to – it’s kinda big.
It has some very serious thoughts, which you don’t get from the title.
And it has a LOT to do with the topic.
More than the topic itself. :DDD

I did not read the link and I did not respond to it. I responded to your post, because you are making some generalisations that have nothing to do with reality.

And finding some kind of meaning in your life in religion adds nothing to the topic “Is God really real?”

EPR
I tend to disagree.
I do remember TWO things that were said on the whole “religion” topic (probably here, but it doesn’t matter so much if not):
1. There’s no way to “scientifically dis/prove G-d”, especially using the Biblical definition.
2. “G-d is as real, as you want Him to be”, aka it all depends on how it AFFECTS YOU – which is exactly what my post is about, AND why I so insist on reading the links.
The result of the above:
The very “discussion” about “dis/proving G-d” is useless and pointless, mainly due to the difference of PRIORITIES/PARAMETERS both sides use.
AND also the much more important point is, “am I fulfilling myself, with/out the idea of G-d”?
Which is much more actual and important, unlike the rhetorical and empty blabbering people so try to turn it into.
Well, this point is again a result of my priority choice, maybe for some there isn’t a question of “am I living up to my full potential”, but rather “what else to do, to keep doing nothing – and pretend to be happy with it”…
It’s your choice to live either way.

Originally posted by somebody613:

EPR
You don’t seem to have read the actual link, am I right?

That’s because you shouldn’t let people talk for you.

Originally posted by somebody613:
1. There’s no way to “scientifically dis/prove G-d”, especially using the Biblical definition.

Actually, with the qualities that the Bible has described for God, it becomes easier to disprove him.

It’s your choice to live either way.

Then stop acting like everyone should follow what you do.

I’m just reminding, that there isn’t a DEFAULT “atheistic” option, unlike some want others to think.
It’s a CHOICE and a constantly repeatable one.
Also, one of the reasons for me to bring this link (which I can also QUOTE, but I’m sure you’ll dislike that TOO, right?), was to show how “evil happens” is no contradiction to “G-d exists and rules everything” – unlike some again try to use as “proof vs G-d”.

Who said that evil was evidence against god?

If anything, it’s evidence against an all- benevolent god, since god supposedly created everything.

Originally posted by somebody613:(which I can also QUOTE, but I’m sure you’ll dislike that TOO, right?),

You don’t like grey, do you?

EPR
If you see something scaly and green, can it be a wolf?
No, cause BY DEFINITION wolves aren’t neither scaly nor green.
So, same applies to any other description – either it fits (and we have the specified object) or it doesn’t (and neither do we).
I understand, that “atheists” use the “trump” of “there are many religions, thus many deities, thus none is right, THUS we can juggle definitions whenever we mention the word god”.
But when I say “G-d”, I by default mean “Biblical G-d, under the Jewish definition” – so learn to differentiate between “generalization” and “reference”.
Cause otherwise we end up with green scaly flying wolves that breathe ice and can talk etc…

Again: who says that evil is evidence against god?
It is evidence against one specific concept of god that is used by many people (including quite a few people who say that they use a biblical definition). That’s what I said. I have no idea what you are on about.

EPR
I’m just repeating for the Nth time, for ME, there’s only ONE definition of G-d, you know which one.
So, I’m NOT INTERESTED in dis/proving any other, or even mentioning/discussing it.
Borrowing some words of DR, “it’s unscientific for my world view”.
Let’s say, I feel like talking about chemistry but not alchemy, as an example. :DDD

Alright.
How does all that talk about depression you started out with add anything to the topic whatsoever?