Proposition 8 vote upheld. A great victory for democracy. page 9

gay marriage is a tax issue, the whole reason behind giving married couples a tax break was to encourage marriage and hence childbirth which would give more work force to pay taxes, hence more money in the long run, so the only way i could see allowing homosexual couples to marry is if they either have kids of their own in lesbian couples, or adopt atleast 2 kids in gay couples.

Then you’d be a hypocrite if you didn’t support fertility tests before marriage.

gay marriage is a tax issue, the whole reason behind giving married couples a tax break was to encourage marriage and hence childbirth which would give more work force to pay taxes, hence more money in the long run, so the only way i could see allowing homosexual couples to marry is if they either have kids of their own in lesbian couples, or adopt atleast 2 kids in gay couples. but that is my PC version, you don’t want to hear my personal beliefs.

So, we are left with a number of options:

1) We can get rid of marriage for everyone, hence stopping it from being a tax issue. That’ll mean that no one can get married, but no one is expected to have children

2) We could have a 1 or 2 child policy, but no restriction on adoptions, hence solving the foster care children issue.

3) If we don’t consider it an issue, then all married couples must be expected to have at least children, naturally or through adoption.

4) (My personal favourite) We just let everyone get married, whether they are gay or not, to each other regardless of sex. Then America is on the next step to at least pretending that it can respect all people of all sexualities, colours, ideologies, etc. It took centuries for minorities to gain a reasonable try at equal rights, though, so I’m not holding my breath.

Originally posted by TheBSG:

I like how moses gets to make it a tax issue instead of a rights issue by saying as much. I love veiled anti-gay arguments.

did i say anything in my statement about being anti-gay, infact, my statement would be more pro-gay than anything, if anything, where i say “so the only way i could see” is where you are confused, i was saying, by that standard the only way, not i hate gays, and they shouldn’t be married. sorry for any confusion in using complex sentences.

Originally posted by Pooky:

wrong i was simply stating a fact, no personal feeling beyond that

The laws against same-sex marriage affect every person gay or straight

thus it’s not discriminatory

which is wrong. it is blatantly discriminatory.

by prop 8, we have:
1. “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

and by assumption (source is completely irrelevant. everyone knows this part):
2. given some conditions ( C ), marriage between a man meeting C and a woman meeting C is valid and recognized in california

by the 14th amendment, we have:
3. “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

now, from 2 (and not contradicted by 1), we can derive the following:
4. in california, a man meeting C can enter a valid marriage contract only if the other person is a woman.

from 3 and 4, we can derive:
5. in california, a person meeting C can enter a valid marriage contract only if the other person is a woman.

and from 5, we can derive:
6. in california, a woman meeting C can enter a valid marriage contract only if the other person is a woman.

i could go further and get to a contradiction again, but i think this is sufficient.

Originally posted by darkninja210:

Originally posted by Carados:

It isn’t a victory for democracy, its a failure.

Maybe you should go learn the purpose of the Judaical branch.

Also, this ruling makes it legal for California to pass laws such as “Black people aren’t allowed in California.” and it would be perfectly legal.

they should pass gangs are not longer legal that would put a stop to the gang violence.

If that was sarcasm then I applaud you….other wise your an idiot…. Prop 8 was something i never really gave a damn about. I mean, if you are gay and that is the life you chose then go ahead and fight for your rights. I just find it hilarious how some people act like the media wasnt going to jump on this.

I want to say that I am very proud of this thread, another Vanguarde gem.

Except for the fact you are on the wrong side.