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Originally posted by SaintAjora:

I’m biased because I can’t respond to every post in every thread the moment it comes up? Please wake up, this is getting sad. Also note that whether Conco is a liberal or not is irrelevant, as an individuals views are not indicative of a majority – all of which is a moot point as you are all misunderstanding the observation and falsely attributing stereotypes to a group anyways.

Bottom line is that you constantly “overlook” stuff Saint… I would give the chance of this happening by pure coincidence as less than one half of one percent.

EDIT ill say this one last time. This does not just happen occasionally so don’t give me any “everyone overlooks things on occasion” or “I can’t respond to everything” stuff

Bottom line is that you constantly “overlook” stuff Saint… I would give the chance of this happening by pure coincidence as less than one half of one percent.

Because everyone can research every little point and make sure to cover every angle all the time.

Everyone overlooks things on occasion. You’re certainly not free of guilt on this count, either.

Bottom line is that you constantly “overlook” stuff Saint… I would give the chance of this happening by pure coincidence as less than one half of one percent.

I don’t think anyone in SD puts more effort into addressing everything than I do. Get over yourself, and stop being hypocritical.

THERE IZ NO CONZERVATIVEZ ON ZE INTERWEBZ

But in all seriousness, I agree with the earlier post that younger people tend to be more liberal.

Originally posted by pacaholic:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

…and/or conservatives. Since we are making sweeping generalizations with no evidence.

Originally posted by Conco:

i’ve already said that there are more young people and highly educated people on the internet, and these groups tend to be more liberal

there’s only so much you can say about that

Its the liberal who made “sweeping generalizations with no evidence.” I was being satirical. Interesting your remark comes after my statement and not his. Unfair and bias much?

ahaha what the hell

you’re saying that there aren’t more young and highly educated people who use the internet on average?

or are you contesting that these groups don’t tilt liberal on average?

I mean come on, it’s not like I’m throwing out some wild theory that isn’t widely accepted.

Conservatives spend too much time praying and shooting guns to go on the internet to learn about things.

Originally posted by Conco:

Originally posted by pacaholic:

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

…and/or conservatives. Since we are making sweeping generalizations with no evidence.

Originally posted by Conco:

i’ve already said that there are more young people and highly educated people on the internet, and these groups tend to be more liberal

there’s only so much you can say about that

Its the liberal who made “sweeping generalizations with no evidence.” I was being satirical. Interesting your remark comes after my statement and not his. Unfair and bias much?

ahaha what the hell

you’re saying that there aren’t more young and highly educated people who use the internet on average?

or are you contesting that these groups don’t tilt liberal on average?

I mean come on, it’s not like I’m throwing out some wild theory that isn’t widely accepted.

I agree that young people are more liberal, but not more educated. So I guess technically yes young educated people are more liberal, but the educated part is just thrown in there to try to make a point.

More young rapists are liberals. See what I did there?

@ pacaholic

Here is a poll taken in 2005 when the conservatives even had Congress: Demographics of Liberals

Lemme quote a part of it.

Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group ­ 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education. But the Enterprisers also include a relatively high percentage of college graduates (46%), although fewer Enterprisers than Liberals have attended graduate school (14%).

So, Conco is technically correct, and probably even more correct now, along with the death of popular conservatism and the GOP falling apart.

@ MXMM

The question is why are there more liberals than conservatives.

According to your study, 49% of liberals graduated college and 46% of conservatives graduated college. Are you telling me that the small difference (polls are 100% correct right?) adds anything material to the question “why are there more liberals than conservatives?”

Come on mxmm, your obvious dislike for me showed clear there.

Most young educated murders are liberal btw, just so you technically knew.

It’s funny how quick you try to turn the conversation back to the topic when someone proves you wrong. Not to mention all the “pity me” phrases you start to toss out there.

Most young educated murders are liberal btw, just so you technically knew.

Prove it. I suspect, based on generalized personality types, it would be the opposite.

The question is why are there more liberals than conservatives.

Yes, and we already established that there was a very large percentage of young people on this site, who tend to be more liberal. That itself could account for that. But you contested Conco’s assertion that liberals tend to be younger and more educated, which is absolutely verified by that poll (notice that almost twice as many liberals got post-grad education…) Along with the GOP falling apart, as I stated before, many, many more of all demographics tend towards liberalism, and this poll was taken less than a year after Bush got voted in again, so there were many more conservatives then. Whether liberalism is right or not, you cannot contest that it has had a major upswing over the past few years in nearly all demographics. To be honest, my point was not to say that being liberal means being smart, I was just correcting your incorrect claims that they are less educated than conservatives.

Come on mxmm, your obvious dislike for me showed clear there.

I do not dislike you. I dislike the outright stubbornness that you show in many debates, and how you resort to McCarthy-style accusations to dodge our arguments.

what mxmm???? First of all, grad school is not always necessary for everyone and in some cases is unnecessary and in other cases actually a bad decision. Next, because i believe college grads would generally be classified as “educated” and that a 3% difference is NOT MATERIAL. So please tell me why you think a 3% difference actually contributes materially to the amount of conservatives and liberals using this forum.

I have no problem agreeing that more liberals are educated, im just curious is using the statement is an attempted ad hominem attack or one of value.

Pacaholic, honestly -

You stated “I agree that young people are more liberal, but not more educated.” mxmm showed you that you are wrong. Now you are doing an about face and saying we need to get on topic. Maybe if you don’t spout false claims to begin with and then clog up the forums with “NAW U” when someone proves you wrong we wouldn’t go off tangents like this.

Originally posted by pacaholic:

what mxmm???? First of all, grad school is not always necessary for everyone and in some cases is unnecessary and in other cases actually a bad decision. Next, because i believe college grads would generally be classified as “educated” and that a 3% difference is NOT MATERIAL. So please tell me why you think a 3% difference actually contributes materially to the amount of conservatives and liberals using this forum.

I have no problem agreeing that more liberals are educated, im just curious is using the statement is an attempted ad hominem attack or one of value.

If you were to ask somebody whether a plain college graduate or a post-grad were more educated, you would have to choose the latter by definition. Now, since 26% of liberals are of the highest educated class and only 14% of conservatives are, you would have to say that, in addition to the 3 point difference in college graduation in general, the liberals generally have a deeper and more qualified education. The point of whether or not it helps more or if it is detrimental to their life has no bearing to that statistic, and is a totally different discussion.

My statement was more of value because I was preventing you from using a false statistic in your argument against Conco.

EDIT: I don’t think you understand what an ad hominem attack is. I was addressing general statistics of a general demographic in order to provide an argument of the subject matter. Saying something like “it is clear you hate me, mxmm” is an ad hominem attack because it bypasses the subject matter to make personal hits at the debater.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Pacaholic, honestly -

You stated “I agree that young people are more liberal, but not more educated.” mxmm showed you that you are wrong. Now you are doing an about face and saying we need to get on topic. Maybe if you don’t spout false claims to begin with and then clog up the forums with “NAW U” when someone proves you wrong we wouldn’t go off tangents like this.

what are you talking about?!?!?!? His one source showed that 3% more liberals have a college education. I will stand by my “liberals are not more educated then conservatives stance” if you would like me too. I am guessing the poll has atleast a 3% deviation or whatever they call that. It is also one poll. My next argument was that even if the poll is correct, that there is no point in saying it, and that it holds no material answer for the question asked. But like I said, if you want me to go argue that mxmm is wrong, then I can EASILY do that as even you would agree 1 poll with a 3% difference is not decisive enough to claim such a fact.

mxmm, grad school DOESNT MATTER. College educated people would be one who are considered EDUCATED, thus, 46% of liberals, according to that study, would be considered educated while 43% of conservatives would be considered educated. The grad school might determine who was more educated, but that is not the issue here not is it mxmm.

Do you get it, or do I need to dumb it down for you?

I can understand what you are trying to say now pacaholic. I just have a very hard time trying to pick the meaning out of some of the things you say.

Do you get it, or do I need to dumb it down for you?

That would be an ad hominem attack.

Oh, and to the argument. We were debating who was more educated. If you want to go by normal college graduations, then fine. It really doesn’t matter, but the choice was completely arbitrary. I could have set the bar at those who graduate from high school, or first grade, but I understand that you are going by convention. Although you cannot ignore that you were using false facts in your previous arguments, and Conco’s argument remains intact, because someone who has the highest standard of education is more likely to be liberal. The stats show that conclusively. This, merged with the internet having a younger demographic, plays a large role in the internet forums being much more liberal. Thus, the question is answered.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

I can understand what you are trying to say now pacaholic. I just have a very hard time trying to pick the meaning out of some of the things you say.

offtopic: I dont know what to think about you…

Originally posted by mxmm:

Do you get it, or do I need to dumb it down for you?

That would be an ad hominem attack.

offtopic again: thanks, I didnt mean it, Saint told it to me and I said “lets see if mxmm comes to my defense”

Originally posted by mxmm:

Do you get it, or do I need to dumb it down for you?

That would be an ad hominem attack.

Oh, and to the argument. We were debating who was more educated. If you want to go by normal college graduations, then fine. It really doesn’t matter, but the choice was completely arbitrary. I could have set the bar at those who graduate from high school, or first grade, but I understand that you are going by convention. Although you cannot ignore that you were using false facts in your previous arguments, and Conco’s argument remains intact, because someone who has the highest standard of education is more likely to be liberal. The stats show that conclusively. This, merged with the internet having a younger demographic, plays a large role in the internet forums being much more liberal. Thus, the question is answered.

Not really, He claimed more highly educated people are liberals. So really it depends on what he meant by “highly educated” and so technically he should have to clarify that. But had he defined highly educated as college educated, then no, he doesnt have a point. Why? Because 1 poll that shows a 3% difference wouldn’t be considered enough evidence to make a claim, especially when the point of the claim is explaining the presence of liberals on the internet.

His statement wasnt on a continuum (or at least it could be assumed it wasnt and should have been clarified if it was.) What do I mean by this? Lets say there are two groups of women, A and B. They are ranked on how pretty they are, 1-5, 1 being the highest. If group A consists of 10 1’s, 10 2’s, 10 3’s, 10 4’s and 10 5’s and group B consists of 20 1’s and 30 3’s.

A question which I would consider on a continuum would be, which group is more pretty? The answer is group B.
A question not on a contiuum would be, pretty people are most likely to belong to which group? This question needs a bench mark. If the benchmark is 2’s and 1’s are pretty, then the answer would be neither.

Can’t resist.

The Ass is the republican, the asian kid is the liberal.

Originally posted by SaintAjora:

…and/or conservatives. Since we are making sweeping generalizations with no evidence.

You don’t always need ‘evidence’ to be CORRECT. Gut instinct usually is correct.

…I often feel outnumbered by Conservatives and liberals.
It’s like being caught off guard by a stampede of cows.

Original thoughts are refreshing.

Can’t resist.

Try harder. This is the serious discussion forum after all.

In Re: The opening post.

Well I think liberals and conservatives a predominantly found under certain age groups these days, and kong’s demographic happens to the be in the age of people who are mostly liberal.

Originally posted by Vanguarde:

Can’t resist.

The Ass is the republican, the asian kid is the liberal.

thats not even an ass, its a mule, besides the mostly liberal party, the democrats are represented by an ass, where as the asian could come from a country that uses elephants quite often, and hence would represent republicans which is the party of mostly conservatives.

I think the issue here is that we don’t have a standard definition of ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’. They are both general terms with some pretty poor connotations.

Also, what do these terms mean to you guys?