Why do the liberal Democrats want to take guns away from Americans? page 231

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Or just require passive RFID tagging actually built into the guns at point of manufacture. A bit difficult to remove the tags when they’re actually inside all the metal castings. Don’t hinder legitimate uses, at all. Make the things rather easy to track, though.

As I said before, stick active readers on the lampposts, the same as we put an increasing number of sensing devices on them. If a gun is stolen, the cops look up the ID number the gun is registered under, and see which street it’s moving down. Send a car to pick up the thieves.

 
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Well, tenco is much better at this then i am, so it’s possible the irritable non-funniness you’re feeling is my bad. I mean, when you think about batman and robin, do you think about how awesome batman is, or how gay robin makes batman look? So that’s probably what it is.

 
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Originally posted by 12_Hundred:

Both of you don’t even argue. You (try to) make witty comments about a discussion’s subtext. It’s not even funny in the mildest sense…

After two hundred and thirty plus pages of the same shit getting repeated, you might as well go all out.

 
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That pretty much sums up any SD thread, Tenco. Repeat of the same tired old arguments by new posters and Jhco every time we pass the five-page threshold from when they were last debunked.

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:

That pretty much sums up any SD thread, Tenco. Repeat of the same tired old arguments by new posters and Jhco every time we pass the five-page threshold from when they were last debunked.

Pretty much, I’m just pulling out some older underwear this time.

 
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But to start making jokes right away on the new threads is idiocy. It’s not making claims, it’s doing for fun. I honestly want something to talk about, not to crack jokes.

 
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ridonkulous threads deserve to be OT’d to death. It’s their lot in life.

 
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Originally posted by 12_Hundred:

But to start making jokes right away on the new threads is idiocy.

That don’t matter.

Seriously, one is about some teen-age (I think so, at least) drama that might not have even hapened, and the other is something that would fit more easily into the firearms owner thread.

It’s not making claims, it’s doing for fun. I honestly want something to talk about, not to crack jokes.

Then go to a serious discussion forum.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

ridonkulous threads deserve to be OT’d to death. It’s their lot in life.

Personally, I just flag them, point out to the mods in the report that it really doesn’t belong in SD; the poster got lost on their way to OT, and ask for it to be moved. Your posts and Tenco’s really help to make that argument even more pervasive. I don’t think you’ve stayed even discussingthe same topic for more than a couple of posts at a time.


Any response to the concept of tracking stolen guns, rather than waiting for them to be used, Hundred? The concept’s been brought up in much more depth, a time or twelve before, just sift through the pages of this thread.

 
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If you folks don’t like the topic, why are you here? BTW Vika, there is a business in Italy using the RFID chip in their manufacture of handguns and it has hurt them somewhat. A lot of gun owners don’t like the idea they can be monitored. They claim to be using it for inventory. The company is Chiappa and there firearms are made in Italy.

What irritates a lot of gun owners is the cheapening of manufacturing with plastic and recently MIM parts used in manufacture. These MIM parts seem to be brittle and break under stress. This would explain why they are being used in non-stressful areas such as triggers. You can tell these parts by the hollow areas necessary in making them. They can only be so thick and the hollow areas on the parts are unsightly, making a beautifully designed firearm look cheap.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

If you folks don’t like the topic, why are you here? BTW Vika, there is a business in Italy using the RFID chip in their manufacture of handguns and it has hurt them somewhat.

Not an issue if they’re all forced to do it.

 
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If you folks don’t like the topic, why are you here?

Why, to provide critical commentary, of course. No one ever said criticism had to be useful…for gawd’s sake, jhco, after two years dealing with karma, I thought you’d have known that by now.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

jhco, after two years dealing with karma, I thought you’d have known that by now.

He rarely knows anything he didn’t know when he first came to the forum. Why should his dealings with Karma be any different?

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by jhco50:

If you folks don’t like the topic, why are you here? BTW Vika, there is a business in Italy using the RFID chip in their manufacture of handguns and it has hurt them somewhat.

Not an issue if they’re all forced to do it.

For someone who complains conservatives are unfeeling and wish to take others freedoms and rights, you sure have a problem with gun owners rights. Is this the pot calling the kettle black?

 
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No issue with the rights of gun owners. As I said,the tagging won’t have any effect on legal use. If however, you wish to use one in the committing of a crime, your gun can then be tracked back to its current location. Aww, you thought chucking it in that dumpster would keep you safe? Shame…

So to recap: If you are a law abiding citizen, you have nothing to worry about. If you wish to be a criminal, then yes your ability to commit crimes successfully with firearms and get away with it would be severely impinged.

So if the only gun owners you know are criminal thugs, then yes I wish to impinge upon their right to blow holes in others and rip the wallets and jewelery off the corpses.

All other gun owners are fine.


EDIT: Also, this bit:

For someone who complains conservatives are unfeeling and wish to take others freedoms and rights

When have I claimed this please? I certainly don’t recollect that ever being my stance. I don’t differentiate by ideology, I differentiate by whether the individual is a muppet or not.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

If you folks don’t like the topic, why are you here?

Why, to provide critical commentary, of course. No one ever said criticism had to be useful…for gawd’s sake, jhco, after two years dealing with karma, I thought you’d have known that by now.

Sorry Jan, between Karma and Vika (the Bobsy twins) I get a little jumpy. Those two can take all of the fun out of discussing any subject. I am beginning to think Ritalin would be good for them.

 
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Sorry Jan, between Karma and Vika (the Bobsy twins) I get a little jumpy. Those two can take all of the fun out of discussing any subject. I am beginning to think Ritalin would be good for them.

I had to look that up, but I was very amused when i found what it was. i thought you meant maybe marykate and Ashley or some other famous twins, but indeed, this does do justice!

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards. But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

To be honest I kind of feel like echoing Rodney King’s platitude, “can’t we all get along” (and if like me, you despised the bastard, please raise a toast in celebrating the bastard’s death) because as much as i enjoy a good argument, this constant ideological mayhem is really going nowhere fast. Somedays I wish Saint Ajora would come back and discharge my duties, but I have a tempting suspicion that she was batting for the libs all along, so the comparisons were faulty.

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:

No issue with the rights of gun owners. As I said,the tagging won’t have any effect on legal use. If however, you wish to use one in the committing of a crime, your gun can then be tracked back to its current location. Aww, you thought chucking it in that dumpster would keep you safe? Shame…

So to recap: If you are a law abiding citizen, you have nothing to worry about. If you wish to be a criminal, then yes your ability to commit crimes successfully with firearms and get away with it would be severely impinged.

So if the only gun owners you know are criminal thugs, then yes I wish to impinge upon their right to blow holes in others and rip the wallets and jewelery off the corpses.

All other gun owners are fine.


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For someone who complains conservatives are unfeeling and wish to take others freedoms and rights

When have I claimed this please? I certainly don’t recollect that ever being my stance. I don’t differentiate by ideology, I differentiate by whether the individual is a muppet or not.

Oh, but it will Vika. It will give the government that is untrustworthy a location of every firearm in the US. It only takes a stoke of a pen to then go house to house and pick them up. I think the key word in your newest proposal is track. If you are a law abiding citizen it doesn’t matter when they come to your door. All other gun owners will be affected by your naive thinking. Our government is now out to take all of the money it can get and control the populace, the very thing our founding fathers warned us about.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

Oh, but it will Vika. It will give the government that is untrustworthy a location of every firearm in the US. It only takes a stoke of a pen to then go house to house and pick them up. I think the key word in your newest proposal is track. If you are a law abiding citizen it doesn’t matter when they come to your door. All other gun owners will be affected by your naive thinking. Our government is now out to take all of the money it can get and control the populace, the very thing our founding fathers warned us about.

I proposed a system once before, that addressed this very problem. At the time you dismissed it telling me it was somehow an attack on the constitution (you never explained how it was),and spent some time ranting about how it proved I wished to destroy the constitution or some-such nonsense. I will repost that argument below, as it is basically, the answer to your concerns.

Try actually reading it this time:

 
Originally posted by vikaTae:

Ok then, Jhco. What about this?

We create the gun registration system for all citizens, and when we create it we give it its own constitution – laws all future updates must abide by, that is set in stone and involitile. We appoint a watchdog organisation, probably from the NRA to see the registration-constitution is followed to the letter.

One of the key parts of that document outlines that whilst it must be possible to search the registration system for owners of a gun matching evidence found at a crimescene, or an owner a particular gun is registered to, or even search the system for all owners of a particular model in a given area up to the size of a state, it is absolutely never-to-be-permitted that the system shall be created in such a way as to allow lists to be made of every gun owner of any gun type in any given area.

Likewise the document sets out very clear guidelines as to how the records may be stored. Encrypted, digital storage only. No hard copies are to be made of any part of the data unless it is pertinent to a criminal investigation, and then only permitted within the scope and timeframe of that investigation. Breach of this mandate to be made a federal offense.

That should render the system itself a useful resource, but one which does not permit absolute control over gun owners. It is not possible to use it for a witch-hunt for all gun-owners unless you are searching for locals who own a specific make of gun as part of a criminal investigation. No politician can ever change the micro-constitution binding the system, and no amendments are possible.

Would you be more willing to consider such a mandatory registration system under those conditions?

 
 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Sorry Jan, between Karma and Vika (the Bobsy twins) I get a little jumpy. Those two can take all of the fun out of discussing any subject. I am beginning to think Ritalin would be good for them.

I had to look that up, but I was very amused when i found what it was. i thought you meant maybe marykate and Ashley or some other famous twins, but indeed, this does do justice!

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards. But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

To be honest I kind of feel like echoing Rodney King’s platitude, “can’t we all get along” (and if like me, you despised the bastard, please raise a toast in celebrating the bastard’s death) because as much as i enjoy a good argument, this constant ideological mayhem is really going nowhere fast. Somedays I wish Saint Ajora would come back and discharge my duties, but I have a tempting suspicion that she was batting for the libs all along, so the comparisons were faulty.

Yes, it is getting tiring and if you notice, I have backed way off in my posting. I get tired of having my posts deleted when I respond to personal attacks and such tactics as name calling when they don’t really have an argument. Then you have the total lack of knowledge of some subjects, but they insist they know everything. Firearms is one of those subjects as you can tell. It doesn’t matter that I know the subject in depth and could really educate them, they would rather blindly go on with their stupid arguments.

 
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Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Ah, to be honest though, I’m shopping around for a new forum. All my friends suggest reddit but i expect i’d be deluged by anti-theist fucktards.

How is that any different from Kong?

But, I really gotta find something because, as much as i love kong, this uh, this tire retreading is really getting kind of painful. in the teeth area, because i grit them so much instead of shouting out something obscene, and it’s not 100% foolproof either.

Yea, there are a few posters, right across the ideological spectrum, that I’d love to just take out, tie them by their genetalia to my back towbar, and then see if I can push the speedometer to its limit.

Thinking about it, I’m not sure there’s room back there for all of them. Maybe tie some to the bull bars on the front instead.

But, the forum does still have some value the specialist ones lack. Lots and lots of idiot-questions. Kong is really, really good at idiot-questions, and truly bizarre viewpoints – which do sometimes trip inspiration for something that’ll actually work.

because as much as i enjoy a good argument, this constant ideological mayhem is really going nowhere fast.

Agreed. If we could stop trying to shove everyone into little boxes and just treat each other as individuals, it would be so much more productive here. Even if just the regulars did it.

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Oh, but it will Vika. It will give the government that is untrustworthy a location of every firearm in the US. It only takes a stoke of a pen to then go house to house and pick them up. I think the key word in your newest proposal is track. If you are a law abiding citizen it doesn’t matter when they come to your door. All other gun owners will be affected by your naive thinking. Our government is now out to take all of the money it can get and control the populace, the very thing our founding fathers warned us about.

I proposed a system once before, that addressed this very problem. At the time you dismissed it telling me it was somehow an attack on the constitution (you never explained how it was),and spent some time ranting about how it proved I wished to destroy the constitution or some-such nonsense. I will repost that argument below, as it is basically, the answer to your concerns.

Try actually reading it this time:

 
Originally posted by vikaTae:

Ok then, Jhco. What about this?

We create the gun registration system for all citizens, and when we create it we give it its own constitution – laws all future updates must abide by, that is set in stone and involitile. We appoint a watchdog organisation, probably from the NRA to see the registration-constitution is followed to the letter.

One of the key parts of that document outlines that whilst it must be possible to search the registration system for owners of a gun matching evidence found at a crimescene, or an owner a particular gun is registered to, or even search the system for all owners of a particular model in a given area up to the size of a state, it is absolutely never-to-be-permitted that the system shall be created in such a way as to allow lists to be made of every gun owner of any gun type in any given area.

Likewise the document sets out very clear guidelines as to how the records may be stored. Encrypted, digital storage only. No hard copies are to be made of any part of the data unless it is pertinent to a criminal investigation, and then only permitted within the scope and timeframe of that investigation. Breach of this mandate to be made a federal offense.

That should render the system itself a useful resource, but one which does not permit absolute control over gun owners. It is not possible to use it for a witch-hunt for all gun-owners unless you are searching for locals who own a specific make of gun as part of a criminal investigation. No politician can ever change the micro-constitution binding the system, and no amendments are possible.

Would you be more willing to consider such a mandatory registration system under those conditions?

 

It would be usurping the rights we already have in the Constitution and transfer them to a document (not part ot the Constitution) that could be modified whenever the government felt like it. It would be the same as giving up our rights and making them a privileged to be amended out of existence.

You think your are gods gift to America and you are just another liberal willing to take the rights of Americans in the name of equality to your way of thinking. In reality, your kind is the enemy of American freedoms. You and Karma are both socialists (although he tries to deny it and you don’t) with nothing more than disdain for our country. If you hate it so bad, don’t come back. Stay overseas where you think you are living the life of Riley. If that is your cup of tea, drink it and leave America alone, we don’t need you here.

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:

Yea, there are a few posters, right across the ideological spectrum, that I’d love to just take out, tie them by their genetalia to my back towbar, and then see if I can push the speedometer to its limit.

But, the forum does still have some value the specialist ones lack. Lots and lots of idiot-questions. Kong is really, really good at idiot-questions, and truly bizarre viewpoints – which do sometimes trip inspiration for something that’ll actually work.

My thought exactly. You are talking about Karma, right?

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

It would be usurping the rights we already have in the Constitution and transfer them to a document (not part ot the Constitution) that could be modified whenever the government felt like it. It would be the same as giving up our rights and making them a privileged to be amended out of existence.

It would not be ursurping any rights of the constitution, it would be codifying the second amendment into its own, secondary constitution, this one specifically unable to be amended, and overseen by the NRA, in case anybody should try. I’m going to go out on a (quite sturdy) limb here, and say you didn’t actually read it.

You think your are gods gift to America and you are just another liberal willing to take the rights of Americans in the name of equality to your way of thinking. In reality, your kind is the enemy of American freedoms. You and Karma are both socialists (although he tries to deny it and you don’t) with nothing more than disdain for our country.

Isn’t this the same garbage rant you gae last time? It’s as much grade A bullshit now, as it was, back then. Why do your arguments never change? Are you honestly incapable of taking new information on board, or something?

If you hate it so bad, don’t come back. Stay overseas where you think you are living the life of Riley. If that is your cup of tea, drink it and leave America alone, we don’t need you here.

Why would I be trying to fix the flaws and inequalities if I hated it? Why would I be trying to address the points where people have urinated on the constitution, if I hated it?

As usual Jhco, your arguments are full of logical falacies and flaws.


EDIT: Oh, by the way, Karma’s not a socialist. He’s a moderate. Someone who listens to all sides, and goes down the middle.

I wouldn’t say I was one either. I see great value in some types of socialism (there are many), and I see great value in constrained capitalism. But neither system will address all the needs of the country. We need a quite complex hybrid (and indeed we already have one, sickly though it is), if we are to bring the nation back to health.

 
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Your understanding of our government and Constitution are really lacking. There can be only one constitution. Codifying wouldn’t make it a constitution but a law. Do you even know how the constitution came about?

I get tired of your self aggrandizement.

What makes you think anyone but you and your far left friends want to “fix” the constitution? the only people urinating on it are your friends, Bush in his last four years and Obama. Let me just say our government. Do you even know what is in the constitution?

Your edit. To bring our nation back to health we need a real leader and not some egotistic socialist who would like to see America as a 3rd world country.