JohnRulz
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I was surprised not to find a thread on this already made. On the U.S. Currency, every Dollar and coin features "In God We Trust" inscribed on it. Seeing how we are supposed to separate church and state, should this be removed? I Think it should, I for one don't trust God, even if he is real. The only reason It is still on there is because Changing currency is a huge deal, and there would be a lot of protesters. What are your opinions?
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Should "In God we Trust" be removed from US currency?
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will9831
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I’m Canadian, and our coins don’t have that on them because we don’t trust god.
Anyways, I think there’s no real reason why it should be removed.
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SaintAjora
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It’s the official U.S. national motto, so it goes a bit deeper than that.
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will9831
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Originally posted by SaintAjora:
It’s the official U.S. national motto, so it goes a bit deeper than that.
Ah, I see. Wait… your country’s planning on removing its own motto from its coins for reasons of “political correctness”?!
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onlineidiot1994
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I don’t trust god, he’ll kill you if you don’t follow his commandments. Sodom and Gomorrah, before you ask.
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will9831
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Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:
I don’t trust god, he’ll kill you if you don’t follow his commandments. Sodom and Gomorrah, before you ask.
What?
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darkninja210
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Originally posted by SaintAjora:
It’s the official U.S. national motto, so it goes a bit deeper than that.
laws can easily be changed or amended. i hardly see how the country not having in god we trust on currency as being a bad thing. however keeping it shows prejudice to people that do not believe in god; which last time i checked was like 15% of the nation.
catholic lobbyists are responsible for this : http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/06/14/this-date-in-history-under-god-added-to-the-pledge-of-allegiance.htm
can it not work the other way around.
i for one think that if we are supposed to separate church and state as the founders of the country intended, then in god we trust should be removed from currency.
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moses78
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it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
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darkninja210
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Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
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moses78
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Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
hmmm, quite logical, star a petition, i’d sign, make an interest group, be the catalyst for change. exercise your freedoms
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will9831
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Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
You can’t really “trust” freedom, because it’s not a person.
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darkninja210
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Originally posted by will9831:
Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
You can’t really “trust” freedom, because it’s not a person.
so i guess you cant trust your senses either as they are not people ??
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will9831
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Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by will9831:
Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
You can’t really “trust” freedom, because it’s not a person.
What I meant is that freedom is a relative term and can mean different things from different perspectives.
so i guess you cant trust your senses either as they are not people either?
Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by will9831:
Originally posted by darkninja210:
Originally posted by moses78:
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
interesting thought but wouldnt “in FREEDOM we trust” be a 10 fold improvement
You can’t really “trust” freedom, because it’s not a person.
so i guess you cant trust your senses either as they are not people either?
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will9831
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Oops, sorry… don’t know how that happened.
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sgman
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Well, I guess the Greek goddess needs to be taken off of the California state seal too… This is so ridiculous. Whey would anyone care? Is this really something that matters to people?
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moses78
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Originally posted by sgman:
Well, I guess the Greek goddess needs to be taken off of the California state seal too… This is so ridiculous. Whey would anyone care? Is this really something that matters to people?
you make another good point, why does tradition that is less than attractive to people matter? it’s tradition, it’s what made us who we are. we atleast owe it the respect to leave it alone and let is be
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darkninja210
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Originally posted by sgman:
Well, I guess the Greek goddess needs to be taken off of the California state seal too… This is so ridiculous. Whey would anyone care? Is this really something that matters to people?
theres a greek goddess on the cali seal!?!??!?! BLASPHEMY and off with their heads.
quite frankly yes it should be removed. the government should not endorse a religion of any kind. lets take for instance you love mcdonalds and the state seal incorporates an burger king logo is that right? its free advertising for religion which sounds like a government endorsement to me.
Will9831:
god is a relative term as well. my point is that using the word god can be alot more confusing than just using freedom.
Moses78:
what if we had a tradition that included sacrificing the first born of winter. is that something that should really matter to people?
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JohnRulz
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What I meant is that freedom is a relative term and can mean different things from different perspectives.
I can trust that this chair will not collapse under my weight, and I can trust Einstein’s theory of relativity is correct.
Well, I guess the Greek goddess needs to be taken off of the California state seal too
If you call your religion mythology as well, then it should be removed.
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moses78
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Moses78:
what if we had a tradition that included sacrificing the first born of winter. is that something that should really matter to people?
anything taken to the extreme is bad obviously. let me put it this way, tradition within (general) moral properness.
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JohnRulz
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tradition within (general) moral properness.
The day laws depict general moral is the day we lose all of our freedoms.
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moses78
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Originally posted by JohnRulz:
tradition within (general) moral properness.
The day laws depict general moral is the day we lose all of our freedoms.
by general morals, i mean like no killing, stealing, the obvious stuff. i fail to see how that leads to loss of freedoms
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JohnRulz
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General moral is usually the general consensus of what is right and wrong. Most see it as morally wrong to swear, so then swearing is illegal. It is morally wrong to watch porn, porn becomes illegal. It is morally wrong to buy meat, meat becomes illegal. The list goes on and on. But if you use general moral to describe the obvious things, that is different.
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moses78
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Originally posted by JohnRulz:
General moral is usually the general consensus of what is right and wrong. Most see it as morally wrong to swear, so then swearing is illegal. It is morally wrong to watch porn, porn becomes illegal. It is morally wrong to buy meat, meat becomes illegal. The list goes on and on. But if you use general moral to describe the obvious things, that is different.
hell no. not at all what i meant. i meant like the basic, basic stuff. hence no baby slaughtering, or offering of virgins the Presidential God’s and such. no, stuff like phrases and some minor actions such as placing hand on religious book to take oaths and such.
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Aaron_
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The only reason It is still on there is because Changing currency is a huge deal, and there would be a lot of protesters. What are your opinions?
Funny, I didn’t see any protests over State quarters, or the new fives, tens, twenties, fifties, and hundreds.
it’s not specifying a single deity, basically it’s to be taken as an re-enforcement of the freedom of religion parts of the constitution, something that the founding fathers strongly believed in.
So the people that believe in multiple gods or no gods don’t count? Seems fair enough…
Well, I guess the Greek goddess needs to be taken off of the California state seal too… This is so ridiculous. Whey would anyone care? Is this really something that matters to people?
If it said “IN MINERVA WE TRUST” at the bottom, there might be a little outcry, no?
stuff like phrases and some minor actions such as placing hand on religious book to take oaths and such.
Which are already optional.
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The belief that the United States and what it was founded on is sacred is the what I take away from the motto, but taken literally, the motto is pretty poor. We could get that same point across with better wording, and in a much less offensive way. Plenty of religions (and people with religion) take offense to the statement, as well as some Christians. What do we, as a society, lose by making the motto more powerful and less offensive?
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JohnRulz
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and some minor actions
Minor actions add up. You can’t even go to court without references to god.
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Funny, I didn’t see any protests over State quarters, or the new fives, tens, twenties, fifties, and hundreds.
I am talking about religious nuts protesting.
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