Yesterday afternoon I have finally reached rank 19, 18, & 17, right after I reached rank 17, I took a three hour break until night time 10:00pm Pacific Time Zone, when I got on at that time & started my matches, that's when I started getting bodied by 13-14hp bots in rank 20-17 with lvl 4-5 decks, my deck only averaged lvl 1.9, there was no way I can beat them when they summoned two units that has a total of 12 hp in the first round, & kept trading me disabling me from pushing the line, I lost the trades of course, cause the bot's cards have higher lvls meaning more hp --> winning unit hp trades without even trying. At first I thought someone was messing/hacking with my account, I didn't realize they were bots at first, b/c I've never fought bots until now, & I never played that late at night to meet bots, until I realized that I've been fighting the exact same Player-#### with no unique name, & the exact same deck for each four classes, that's when I dropped all the way from rank 17 to rank 23 fighting bots that have lvl 4-5 decks. I never won a single match after getting bodied by those bots from rank 17 to rank 23 b/c their decks were way surperior in levels. My best deck(winter) can only at best beat a rank 23 bot in a 50/50 chance, it can beat no bots beyond that rank, but I made it to rank 17 almost undefeated against players with an average of lvl 2 decks... I had potential to finally reach rank 15 & get those juicy first 5 cronstones if only those bots didn't appear... **Here is my raw calculation of the average bots & players in ranks based on their deck lvls & hp** *Bots Average* Rank 30-25 *lvl 1-3 deck bots* 10-11hp Rank 25-20 **lvl 3-5 deck bots** 11-12hp Rank 20-15 **lvl 4-5 deck bots** 12-13hp Rank 15-10 **lvl 5 deck bots** 13-14hp Rank 10-5 **lvl 5 deck bots** 14-15hp Rank 5-1 **lvl 5 deck bots** 15-20hp *Players Average* Rank 30-25, lvl 1.2 decks 10-11hp Rank 25-30, lvl 1.5 decks 11-12hp Rank 20-15, lvl 2 decks 11-13hp See the major difference? Players are way easier to defeat in rank 30-15 than bots in rank 30-15, the balance is almost unreal... Meanwhile, rank 10-1 players have an easier time defeating bots b/c the bots have already maxed out their decks to lvl 5, they cannot go beyond lvl 5 to challenge those rank 10-1 players, so those rank 10-1 players just grind them for easy gold with matches that last only around 1min b/c the bots plays stupid, but the bots in rank 30-15 are too hard to beat for rank 30-15 players b/c were already facing maxed out bot decks in rank 15, lvl 4-5 bot decks in rank 20-15, bots in rank 15 & 1 are basically the same, the only difference is that the bots in rank 1 have higher base health which doesn't change anything... I thought the playerbase was dead that night, but it turns out they were all asleep? Seriously though, you guys should balance those bots in rank 30-15 more, it's way too hard to beat them mechanically when they have the surperior deck lvls. All my effort to climb rank 17 gone in one night, & now I'm back to rank 25 this morning fighting newbs all b/c of all those op bots last night... It's impossible to rank climb for us low lvl players at night, but easier for high lvl players(b/c that's when all the whale players are asleep they say)... I hope the playerbase grows significantly so I don't have to get bodied by these bots again... I mean this is a new game after all, but the game felt lifeless after I fought those bots... Meh, back to climbing up the ranks, I'll try to avoid those bots at night. Just like how f2p high rank players avoid whale players in the daylight lul, so those high rank f2p players grind bots at night. Bots appear more at night apparently when most of the players are offline, asleep. **Edit:** I just got bodied by bots again in rank 20-19 in the morning when I tried to get my ranks back... So they do appear in daylight often in the morning & afternoon too. If my deck meets a bot beyond rank 20, it's an automatic loss due to my inferior deck lvl... The odd thing is that the game's matchmaking with bots only last a second, I heard that it takes 45-60 seconds of matchmaking to meet a bot to give us dome rime to find other players to match with? Did I get that wrong? The bots takes & ends their turns so fast to the point where It's scary... Is my account broken? There's too much bots... Bots everywhere... Alright... I tried reinstalling & the matchmaking is still the same, it takes one second of matchmaking to find a match, & I'm already facing a 12 hp bot with a lvl 3-5 deck in rank 23, did a lot of people stop playing the past 24 hours?! This isn't the same the past 25 days I played... I stopped gold grinding noobs at rank 30-25 & then I get this punishment... I thought bots only appears at night, but they are appearing as often as night in the morning & afternoon?! Is my account separated from the players? Is this a bug?! The game doesn't feel worth to play anymore... Aren't bots suppose to appear in rank 15-1 more? They are everywhere in rank 30-17... Alright, I've finally dropped down to rank 30, & I'm still fighting bots that have 10 hp with lvl 1 decks, all the matchmaking only takes one second & are bots, no players. I'll try to think of something here... All this started to happen when I leveled up to **level 8** last night, did they make the matchmaking harder for high level players? Is that why I can't face any real people today? Is my hp level separated from lower hp level players? If so, that's just unfair, my deck isn't even completely lvl 2 yet, which doesn't really qualify me to be a level 8 player, my card collection are just mostly lvl 2 & a handful of lvl 3's... It's easier to beat bots in rank 30, but it's just bland & boring facing only bots in every match.

Wow. Sucks dude. In the past there where some problems with bots being OP too. I've never had any trouble even then (cuz' bots are stupid AF). I even made special anti bot decks, this might help you 2? 10pm PT is about the time I wake up and play a few matches. Maybe I'll be matched to you next season and get a momentary mental lapse ;)

Lmao just as I read your post, went against a retarded bot at level 15. EZ wins for days. I wonder what the current bot to real players ratio is?

> *Originally posted by **[aspareforyou](/forums/955765/topics/932570?page=1#11692222)**:* > Lmao just as I read your post, went against a retarded bot at level 15. EZ wins for days. I wonder what the current bot to real players ratio is? Maybe your Swarm deck is effective against them, I went completely late game to get to rank 17. My deck is mostly based on trading units, but bots can do that better than me, so I get completely bodied, unlike you with a lvl 2.25 average deck that's based on rushing bases in the early game which counters the stupid bots. Anti bot deck is a good idea, but idk where to start with all my low lvl cards, so it looks like it's futile for me to try & beat them... It'd be better if they indicate that we are facing bots, like change their name to BOT-#### instead of PLAYER-####.

> _Originally posted by **[aspareforyou](/forums/941638/topics/932570?page=1#11692222):**_ > Lmao just as I read your post, went against a retarded bot at level 15. EZ wins for days. I wonder what the current bot to real players ratio is? Don't be that guy, dude. Look at the rewards he can't get, but could've before the season ends(yeah, his first fusion stones). It's not funny. They buffed the decks bots use because they made potato AI.

It literally takes a lifetime to get fusion stones to get anything worthwhile. No-one is going to use them to buy commons and rares and it takes 50/100 to craft a new epic/leggie. By the time he or I gain enough, I'm sure the devs will implement easier methods to obtain fusion stones. He's not really missing much. If he got the rubies at rank 17, that's good enough. No need to slave away against players with quarter of the deck level 3 and remaining level 2 cards.

Only morons craft cards (I crafted C4A back in the day when it was 6 mana. Ahh those where the good times back when I made loads of stupid mistakes). But I have 46 stones stored now. Because I'm afraid to spend them... yet 5 stones could be the difference between a lvl 2 and lvl 3 gifted recruits next season. It's a big deal and just like German humor: no laughing matter (jk I know tons of funny Germans, literally tons. I'm just joking please don't feel offended. These jokes are based on stereotypes and do not represent the truth.)

5 precious stones meant the world to me. Made me upgrade three level 2 cards into level 3. After level 3 those few stones become less significant but you would still remember their initial value if you didnt spend money on this game and forced your cards to higher levels.

I DID IT GUYS!!!!! xD  Bless this deck...  Look how cheap they are to upgrade with fusion stones... I guess fusion stones are the world to me also xD.

Nice! Did you build an anti-bot deck or pwn newbs?

> *Originally posted by **[GrixisXavi](/forums/955765/topics/932570?page=1#11693929)**:* > Nice! Did you build an anti-bot deck or pwn newbs? Pwn newbs in rank 20-15, bots only appeared in rank 30-21 today...

Dude with those levels, you should be able to make it to rank 13-12 easily...

> *Originally posted by **[aspareforyou](/forums/955765/topics/932570?page=1#11693960)**:* > Dude with those levels, you should be able to make it to rank 13-12 easily... Which is basically almost impossible. This is my new strongest deck I made last night to fit in with the meta after grinding around 700 gold yesterday, It only made it up to rank 14, after that I met some 13-14 hp people with 3-5 lvl 2-3 Legendaries & all lvl 3 commons & rares. So I'll need to upgrade it more to get to rank 13. Anyways, I'm back grinding/demoting rank 30 bots for faster gold again, & rank 23-21 bots are still super hard to beat(like harder to beat than rank 20-15 players wtf)... It looks like I can only meet players above rank 20. It's like a bot hole to climb up for me... Rank 30-21 are all full of bots, & in order for me to meet people again, I must climb up & defeat 12 hp bots with lvl 4-5 decks in rank 23-21... Which is basically almost impossible.

Nope it's fairly straightforward mate. It looks like your deck is just random cards with little synergy. I would suggest putting in Dr Mia and Upgrade point (maybe remove ubass and execution) and creating a construct centric deck. I made it to rank 15 with one level 3 and 2 level 2 cards so I'm sure you can reach 13 with all level 2 cards.

Is this one good enough?  I can add in a lvl 3 Green Proto too, but idk how to prevent it's passive to activate. I also have lvl 3 Windmakers, Snowmasons, Bluesails, & Warfronts.

Green proto is a must-have. Cheap and a construct so you can buff using Linked golems or upgrade point. I personally would remove overchargers for green proto and keep Tegor for Ubass. Tegor moves 2 tiles and has the ability for massive buff/spawn. That's pretty valuable. Once you get enough constructs on the field, drop Upgrade and Mia for instant buff. Jesus Smebby, I can't believe you have so much variety possible. Your deckbuilding is lousy :/ Edit: Since you have Mia, you could even consider putting in Mech workshop.

The only cards I don't have are Mirz & Earyn :^)

Some clarification. PLAYER-##### aren't always bots. That was my player name before making an account.

> *Originally posted by **[ScootsMoMo](/forums/955765/topics/932570?page=1#11694860)**:* > Some clarification. PLAYER-##### aren't always bots. That was my player name before making an account. The past 75 matches in rank 30-21 I had I can confirm myself are bots, they never concede, they take their turns fast without wait, they have the exact same decks for each four classes, same stupid bot mechanics with lvl 4-5 bot decks in rank 23-21. Lvl 3-4 bot decks in rank 26-24. Lvl 1-4 bot decks in rank 30-25. Stormbound for me in rank 30-21 is basically PvE with a one second matchmaking, all b/c I'm level 8 & ahead. It will probably get worse for me when I turn level 9 where rank 23 will probably have max level 5 bot decks. I'm basically trapped in rank 30-24 right now... Most people's bots can't be compared to my level 8 bots, they separate low & high level players I'm sure.

I finally hit 15 tonight with my winter deck, and I'm only level 5, and I use no legendaries. I don't think I've even played any bots really, and if you have your cards leveled high enough then you should be able to outplay them. I'm not certain though maybe they are terrible I've just never seen em.

I actually only play vs bots very rarily. Its been like a week since the last one. From 25-18 its fast matchmaking but the players are far from insta turn pass. From 17-9 most times i wait around 30 seconds (sometimes a minute) for a match **and** when I'm paired, its definitely human. Unless bots now take their time during turns :/

I've faced the few bots from rank 8 to 5 and they've had pretty much only lvl 3 (occassionally 4) cards with 15 base HP (only have 13 myself).