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Funny to see that two of the three recommended games are also made by zach(krispykrem for the unaware.). That shows how little games there are in this genre. I think everyone would agree with me if I'd say: "We Need More!".
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Crucial tutorial instruction that just kinda flashes by: "By drawing N silicon over P silicon which creates a PNP gate which conducts current through the P silicon ONLY IF NO current is conducted in the N silicon. By drawing P silicon over N silicon, we create an NPN gate which conducts current across the N silicon ONLY IF current IS conducted through the N silicon."
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the game says that i need to "Watch the in-game tutorial video" but it doesn't appear for me! Why does it not appear for me?!
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Please put some written instructions in the instruction section. For some reason the video refuses to play for me and every time I try it just crashes and I have to reset the page.
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This game REALLY needs actual instructions. Also the video's instruction text goes wayyyy too fast. Perhaps it would be easier to have a normal in-game instruction page (ex. list all items, this is what it does)?
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I have never played a game this hard for this long. It has basic graphics, a rubbish tutorial, and no in-game reward for your achievement. However, when i complete a level i get the greatest sense of achievement an internet game has ever givn me. Sometimes I lie in bed thinking of solutions. 5/5/5/5/5/5!
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I agree with wxcvbn999, this genre of games should have it's own tag on Kong. This one, manufactoria, codex, and also tile factory and light bot 1 and 2. call it 'programming' or something. Thumbs up for this part of the comment please, because these kind of games provoke more deep logical thought than ANYTHING you'll find almost ANYWHERE.
(...and YES, got level 14 with only 4 cells. :D Took a day and a half to find the ONE little gate I needed to add, and where, to fix the whole thing...)
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This game lacks a proper tutorial or guide, which, unless you know how these things work (which most of us don't), it's very hard to understand with what's already in the game. However, once you get the hang of it, this is a really great, albeit hard, game. 4/5
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I feel like my brains imploding, I can't for the life of me think of how to make an OR gate with these accursed NPN and PNP gates, and I'm suppose to be a computer science major. I'll be damned if one doesn't take for granted some of the most basic things...
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To draw P silicon, hold down shift. That changes "Silicon (N)" (#1) to "Silicon (P)".
Similarly, shift will change "Delete Silicon" (#5) to "Delete Metal".
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It would be really useful if you could run the verification in slow motion so you could see what was happening better.
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I always wanted to understand the basics of transistors and how computers work and I'm sure many others do too, the problem is this game is a bit danuting at first and most people will dismiss it first hand. It really needs only 2 things done to make this the success it deserves to be, first a step by step tutorial from the basics, like "when this wire is positive it allows current to pass through this wire" and second you should allow the user to switch connection pads on and off themselves and play around at first to learn how things work.
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Also, the levels are sort of "tutorials" in and of themselves: they secretly teach you the raw basics, by making you crawl through the mud to figure them out yourself. Then you can use and build on what you've just learned in the later levels. The fact that there're levels that give absolutely NO hint and you have to grasp at the straws to invent something makes me feel like I'm actually making my own discoveries, not just mindlessly blowing through a game. IMO it's about damned time we got a game that doesn't hold you hands through every little damned thing. Coming from a stint in WoW, this is a damned refreshing feeling.
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Kongregate chat room Echo Hall has become an unofficial meeting place to discuss this game. There are about 5 Kohc players (including me) of various knowledge levels who usually hang out there. I am the most knowledgeable and I'm best person to ask for help, when I am not available you can try mentioning Kohc in chat there. There's a good chance someone else may respond.
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This really is a game that I completely wrote off the first time I came across it, but after numerous revisits, especially after being consumes by Krispy's other games on Kong, I keep finding myself coming back and understanding a little bit more of how this game works over time. The best thing is that I feel like I'm actually learning about how circuits work despite the fact that I'm not being taught it. This learning by experimentation truly is a rewarding feeling and is one of the reasons this game remains an enigma that I continue to revisit.
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I'd love an "undo" function, a way to rotate blocks of components and another key than shift to switch between tools (because for some unknown reason my flash player fails to detect shift properly).
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for everyone having problem with speed of the text in the tutorial, JUST PRESS PAUSE! It's in the upper right corner :)
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You need to make it clear that this game is based on transistors and stuff, that way people won't get so intimidated by the tutorial. That said, the tutorial isn't that great either, you should just have a bunch of diagrams instead.
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Just wish it had a "debug" level where you could control the inputs yourself. It'd be pretty useful for figuring out how to build a gate or circuit without just going and looking it up.
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wuold be great if there was a mode, when you can see the state of your circuit it any mode/ Like you click at the verification plot and the game shows you all the voltage at that moment
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Quinn's Review: I'm not ashamed to say that Kohctpyktop defeated me - I can't finish it. I approached it as if it were a programming game, and that worked a little, but the higher designs are just slightly too alien to me for me to be able to nut them out. Which is a real shame, because I love engineering games, and this is a good one - but it could use some improvement. I disagree that you need an engineering degree to play Kohctpyktop (thought it probably helps); the real issue here is that the game is not user-friendly: the tutorial is not that helpful, the initial levels do not teach you the basic building blocks of the game (as they should), and the UI is not only unpolished but is downright confusing - this game could have been much easier to get your head around. But for all that, if this is something you can get your head around, it's well worth your time - the sense of achievement is phenomenal.