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very good concept but a few improvent is required... maybe the tutorial should teach how to do multiple combos (for example putting a character in counter then hitting a monster towards him), moreover since it's a stragegic game we shuold be able at least to see where we are throwing the monster instead of hoping in some Pinball God to aid us.
You're right about that. Maybe I need to add more explanation about various game system in-depth. The Pinball God already bestowed his blessing in the form of Movement Prediction Guide feature ;)
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The buttons are too close together. Too many times I've hit 'defend' instead of 'move'. One time I lost a battle I should have won due to this.
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TurnA, you are doing a great job updating the game, i love it when a developer gets really involved and does everything they can to make the game better. that deserves a lot of respect.
Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it! At least until the development of my next games starting (very soon!), I'll try to address bugs/feedback that can help improve the gameplay, without changing my initial concept for the game.
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awesome concept.
would've been an amazing game if each character had some unique skills of his own. maybe special attacks or spells or something!
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Add something so you can move the screen around easily, or so that it follows whatever got hit and is flying around. Make it a littler clearer how elements interact. Also, you should allow characters to use 1 item per turn. It's often not worth it to switch to a weapon and give up several hits if you're good at chaining attacks.
I have revised the game with better screen movement. But it doesn't change the fact that you will only able to move the screen (with mouse) when it's your turn to move. That's also part of the strategy/decision making in the game, do I use this weapon and lost a chance at chaining attack, or do just attack the enemy although their elemental power is significantly stronger than you?
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There should be a better intro/tutorial. It took me a couple of tries to figure out how to "aim" an enemy after haphazardly knocking them around the screen. Once I figured out the physics though, I upped my rating to 4/5. It's a good, original concept and it's pretty well-executed, but it needs better description.
I see. I have tried to cram tutorial on the level and battle transition screen, but it seems that was not enough. Maybe I can add additional tutorial entry to flesh the concept further.
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very nice battle system, but few improvements could make it better.1)the animations between battles and shop/status and sth like this, make it less than 0.5s, or is not so happy to use these functions. 2) weapons are the hit & quit stuff, which makes upgrades seemed useless. 3) it will be help full to make every blocks in battle more noticeable and give out a path instead of only a red point of destination.
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Why do my guys sometimes just take 1 damage when an enemy rebounds off a wall, and sometimes they get another swing? Needless to say that can make a big difference, so just flailing blindly isn't good. Also, sometimes when a char runs into another, I get a swing meter and everything like normal, and sometimes I get no swing meter and the one who moved into the other just takes a tiny little swing doing, like, 1 damage and that's it. Also, what's up with certain enemies and getting multiple swings when they first hit me? Wolfs are the most common example, but there are others. Can I do that? Or is that just an enemy thing? What's up with overshooting an enemy? It seems like it bounces them further, but makes the meter move faster. The issue here is that we get little to no guidance. We get the very basics, ironically basically only stuff we probably don't need explained, and that's it. We really, really need an actual tutorial.
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@turnA: The problem with misclicking defend instead of move is caused by the fact that the menu *moves* on the screen, not that the buttons are too close. When it becomes your turn, the whole screen slowly scrolls to center on your character, while the menu sticks with that character being moved to the center.
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Unusual method of setting up the game, but it is brilliant in its novelty. It's like playing Marbles but they can fight each other! It might get a little tedious as I have to clear each level 5 times but I can always take a break. Too much of anything can drive one up the wall, even a good game. Very smooth gameplay and transitions, the overall design is gorgeous, and I love you for making this.
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I wish you could play the harder difficulties earlier. I hate having to play the same level 5 times when I could have just beat it the first shot.
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I've got a number of issues here. First off, having weps eventually get destroyed is a terrible idea. If you're going to do that, at the least make weapons WAY more common and have WAY more durability. Even that's annoying though, and no one wants to upgrade a weapon that's going to disappear. Another issue is that everything seems chaotic with little real, detailed instruction. Heck, I still have yet to figure out is what's going on with combos when an enemy rebounds from a wall. Sometimes they rebound and comes back I get to swing again. Sometimes they just smacks into my guy, he/she takes one damage, and that's it. I have no idea why. Both upgrades and money feel kind of useless as they're both primarily used to better upgrade weapons, which feels like a waste to begin with. The 'unfriendliness' of all the features really takes this game, with a very original battle system and a seemingly very good base idea behind it, and turns it into something just not very fun.
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I find it a great game, but I've found one glitch. When I want to upgrade my wapons. It seems that the element limitation is linked to durability and the otherway around, because I can upgrade my wapon not further then 10 elemental damage and I've got already 25 turns+ for a wapon for durability.
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It's sad when people don't grip the game mechanics....
Ok here we go , WEAPONS ARE SUPPOSE TO BREAKE , this game is based on TACTICS and not GRINDING.
You are not suppose to use your UBER weapon on every single fight , only on difficult situations. Most of the game is done by knowing how to build your characters.
I already finished the game and i used items only two times , only once was a weapon.
Great game dude 5/5 , keep your good job on making innovative games.
Thanks for the comment! It's just as you said, but I think I don't make it clear enough on the game. Will try to improve the tutorial/explanation for this.
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this game is great but it would be nice to add some more characters and that u can to buy some passive effects for each of them... like for knight u can buy passive to take less dmg... like that
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Really nice game but the element upgrade is bugged. No way I can go over 10 even after buying the upgrade.Strangely survivavility of the weapong can be increase over the upgrade I paid for.>.<
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Weapon durability should not decrease with turns, but rather with attacks. Simply moving without attacking should not decrease durability.
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I feel like this game has potential to be game of the month, so here are some recommendations:
1) Remake the "items" dynamic by implementing character slots (head, torso, shoes, etc) and increase the rate at which items are found. You could even make male/female equips.
2) Smashing your own teammates is quite annoying; why can't they automatically block their own team? As much as I enjoy watching the enemy do this to himself, it should work both ways.
3) If there could be a way in which enemies could be 'passed' from knight to knight, and each one gets a chance at 'forcing' the enemy, a new playing dynamic would emerge.
4) Keep up the great work! The storyline is interesting, but the gameplay is tedious and sometimes frustrating. Implement these recommendations, and you'll surely be in the running for game of the month!
Thanks for all the detailed feedback. 1) If it implemented, the game will become a really serious RPG :) Not that a bad thing, but I think it's not appropriate for the games. 2) Friendly fire is there so it increase the need of strategic placement and planning the move ahead. 3) You can toss an enemy to other hero who ready to Counter to make a combo. 4) Thanks!
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the xp is kinda hard to farm...i have been playing the silver wolf level on extreme many times..since its the easiest and quickest level that gives a little under 400 xp...but i need thousands of xp, and the points get split up to the characters. any way you can help out a little with that?
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I think there's a bug in the 1st item slot of each charater, if a weapon is found and put in the 1st slot item, it will have a problem of "elemental-cross". In my case, i bought a minor attack potion for dash in the 1st item slot of him, found 1 flaming spear, 1 flaming axe and 1 whirling knife, after a while, the flaming spear turned to watery spear, the flaming axe turned to rocky axe, and the whirling knife turned to rocky knife (the three weapons were in the 1st slot item of course), dash's weapon was safe. So ppl should buy an item in the 1st slot item of each character inventory.
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Some of the element icons and names do not match on the characters useable weapons. For example, Nana has a fire knife, but is named Whirling knife, and it deals wind dmg instead of fire. Garth has a fire dmg spear, but it is named watery spear, and deals water dmg. It seems to be the name is always correct for the indication of element type, but the icon is not.
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While killing the dragon I made the mistake of putting one of my heroes on Counter while my Might Potioned Dash swung at the dragon. What basically happened was he hit the Dragon into Barbara, making her take 18 damage and letting her counter, and the counter made the dragon rebound off Dash, making him take 20~ damage, and then it just repeated like 8 times with Dash Barbara and the Dragon duking it out. It was a fun moment until I realized that basically what it ended up to doing was leaving the dragon at half health while I lost both of my characters.
It feels like the game should reward you for having those moments where you land several counters off at max Force in a row, instead of letting the dragon hit full damage on your characters 8 times in a row for minimal gain...
I love the game though, innovative battle and a great amount of polish to it.
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is it me or element upgrade limit is tied to maximum durability upgrade limit 0.o?! (adding element upgrade limit = durability upgrade limit increases)
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hey wat do i do? i managed to whack the dragon 4 times initially, now he's pinballing around and can't stop....randomly appears anywhere on the map. now i've got this 100+ hit combo, all my characters have 0 hp but are still pinballing around too,dragon's dead too. i managed to kill all 4 of my characters and the dragon by a single combo...
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Needs a bit of polish to mechanics. Graphics are fine, but lack of explanation of how rebound combos and elements work causes some frustration. Original idea which gives at least a 3 star, but definitely a 4 star game. It works pretty well as is just some things need fixing. While I understand the annoyance of durability to the games, Fire Emblem uses the same system so whats the big deal? However, I RECOMMEND that durability changes to number of hits not turns - rebounds do not count against this number but friendly fire would. You can tell by the number of people writing lengthy responses that they really want this game to work for them!
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Needs a way to increase the speed of battles. Also, for how much thought you put into this game, I still can't figure out why you have consumable weapons. The idea of this game is like a 5/5 but I can't rate more than 2/5 right now for lack of playability.
Thanks for the feedback. I have revised the camera movement so it will always follow the current active character. You can move the screen when it's your turn to move.
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i'd personally disagree with other comments regarding having allies be capable of hitting enemies bounced into them. that would easily result in overkill and highly unbalance the game. i think the dev might instead want to condition the minds of the players more since obviously not everyone grasps the following concepts immediately. so for those complaining, here are those concepts. 1) not hitting allies is actually part of the game challenge. (although granted maybe half-damage or such may be requested.) 2) weapons are not to be used regularly and reserve them especially for those more difficult challenges. (my personal suggestion for the dev though is to reduce the speed of the bar to make regular non-weapon combat more acceptable.) 3) as for upgrading... well, since i haven't even been using my weapons i feel the impact of this less. oh well, it's not like i've never grinded for a game before and it should be minimal if i am economical in my weapon usage.
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Not a lot to be said that hasn't already come up - you've made a game with a fantastic battle system idea and great art, and saddled it with some of the most infuriatingly inconsistent and needlessly obtuse mechanics I've ever seen. Combos make little sense, scenery hitboxes are a nightmare, the Push Force bar speed seems arbitrary and doesn't appear to make a lot of difference. Taking damage from struck enemies cannoning into party members is a terrible idea; bouncing foes into an ally should let the ALLY take a swing at them, broadening out players' tactical options enormously. It's such, such a shame, because the basic battle mechanic is a hoot and the game looks GREAT, but the implementation leaves an enormous amount to be desired. 2/5.
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before the invention of corrective glasses, warriors with poor eyesight would simply charge and slash towards whatever direction they were pointed at regardless of what they hit or bounced off of.
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The weapon system is somewhat terrible, and in my dictionary "halved" means cut in half. I wonder how you do math, because the half of my characters hitting at 14 damage isn't 1... And this is a regular thing in most Gold challenges.
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Platinum challenge on battle VII is not possible. You have no move command and the Ogre B refuses to move for some reason or is trapped by some invisible barrier. So after you kill the other monsters there's no way to kill the final ogre :(
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another thing, make the hitboxes of the scenery ACTUALLY ON THE SCENERY, i dont wanna go flying because of a nonexistent giant circle around a rock
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its funny how your tags say "pool", it does feel like i am playing pool, lol. it also has the feelings of kingdom rush...well the upgrade point system does.
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Really nice. But let me pick any level to play at. After beating the first level up through gold, there's really no challenge to level 2-3 normal.
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Nice idea, but gets repetitive after a while. I suppose if I weren't farming so much, it wouldn't get so old so quickly. :)
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the soundtrack reminds me of a game called flight, now that is why this was immediatly a good game for me xD i luv dis game!!!