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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

wargamer1000: Perfection is a white rabbit, and Wonderland ain’t the happy place you’re advertising.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

wargamer1000: But what is perfection? The word is used to describe so many conflicting concepts among so many people and cultures that it’s effectively gibberish. the word “god” shares the same problem.

Karma: Even Lovecraft’s Outer Gods and entities of like scale can only perceive so much; know so much; be and do so much.

Absolutes are terms thrown about as if to say: “Screw this! I give up trying to quantify it all!”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

vika: Indeed. It’s a Lovecraftian scale of insanity. I wonder if existence like that of HPL’s Azathoth is the eventual fate of one who partakes of eternity.

btw, it’s just ‘Crawling Chaos,’ not that Nyarlathotep would give a shoggoth’s orifice… :P

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

wargamer1000: Pascal’s Wager? Seriously? i suggest you watch these videos before trying that again: Betting on Infinity and Rebuttals to Betting on Infinity

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Question to atheists

right now, I’m coming out of my own anti-religious phase— separating the crazies from the rest is difficult when all share (IMO) similarly silly belief systems.

My vitriol is aimed at the encroachment of religious institutions upon secular life, particularly the Abrahamic sects. They act as obstacles to attaing actual knowledge.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

It is not through force of arms that I might seek to defeat this creature; for all his powers and abilities and posturing, his ego is brittle; he needs others to rule over to feel good about himself. Without slaves and sycophants, he is nothing.

Instead of learning from failures, he compounds them. Instead of embracing the possibility of being wrong, he reacts violently to dissent. If ignored, rebuffed, or insulted, he responds with omnicidal rage.

I am left to wonder if this entity is a child, has the cognitive age of one, is emotionally unbalanced, or otherwise not fully aware of or caring about its actions.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Jant.: Unappealing? I’m just putting out my opinions and conjectures; making appeals is the last thing I seek to do here.

Immortal: I am not impressed by old Yahweh’s [alleged] destructive or regenerative capacity. For all his power, he is weak of character;slave to his passions: sanctimonious, narcissistic, and hypocritical; dangerous indeed, yet all too predictable. If it is through word that he derives his power, then it is likely by word that he can be destroyed or otherwise permanently and irrevocably defeated. It is fallacious to believe that old Yahweh and similar characters have infinite power simply because they are either described as having same, or have had no limits posited regarding their power.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Immortal7777: killing and torturing folks like me may prove his undoing. Malicious, antisocial behavior (evil) feeds on itself. Nearly everyone on the thread has convinced themselves that this Yahweh character is unbeatable. Appearances can deceive; beliefs can deceive even worse. It is in his power, his character, and the confluence of both that I see his weakness.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Originally posted by samuro2:

I know, I said I couldn’t. I agree, too. Seeing something for yourself only proves it to you. The only reason people want evidence from me is because God existence wouldn’t make sense.. Yet even if there was evidence people would still disagree.

If old Yahweh showed empirical evidence of his existence, then I’d know (with reasonable certainty and without need for faith) he exists. It does not follow, however, that he would have the power advertised by the faithful. Even having such power, it doesn’t follow that I am obliged in any way to give the being attention, let alone respect, love, obedience, or worship; I would not accept claims to his rulership. If scripture describes his character with any accuracy, I would revile him for the monstrous tyrant, bloodthirsty marauder chief, and abusive parental figure that he shows himself to be.

seeing is believing, samuro2. However, seeing isn’t knowing. Belief alone is not knowledge. Bare assertion is not evidence. Mere feelings are not truth. Perception is not reality, neither can it change reality on its own.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

But Trent, what is “perfect?” “Perfect” cannot exist outside the abstract as personal definitions will inevitably conflict! For example, Yahweh’s alleged standard of “perfect” and my “perfect” conflict greatly.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

TN/Jan: re-read the OP. the question is “what would you expect to find there [in hell]?”

I think “Hell” might end up being some amalgam of all the underworlds of all cultures— something no single culture would expect. It’d be rife with nasty beasties and treacherous conditions, but the competent soul would have some chance of carving a niche for themselves.

I stated preference of [the Christian] hell over [the Christian] heaven because:

  • I find Yahweh’s character odious: sanctimonious, narcissistic, hypocritical; someone unworthy of respect, let alone love and devotion—no matter how much power he has. Love born of terror is scarcely genuine.
  • He may have created [that] hell, but it is possible (probable, IMO) that he has lost control of it.
  • in the context of this thread, the only AX: is “hell exists”. All else is speculation.
  • Belief and scripture do not constitute truth, no matter how fervently the faithful say they do.
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

MyTie: The threat of hell for disobedience/unbelief/not giving Yahweh love constitutes duress, making any love far less genuine. Love born of terror is the epitome of an abusive relationship.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by Immortal7777:

I wouldn’t mind going to the original hell. But if we are talking about Christian hell I would prefer it to Christian heaven.

No, you wouldn’t. No offense, but it’s more smug and annoying than anything else when athiests state they would rather go to Christian Hell than Christian Heaven, viewing it as some sort of dark underground party or ongoing rave. The Christian religion portrays it as nothing short of agony (as in, by definition, there’s nothing worse). Applying this logic, yes, you would rather be in Christian Heaven, because anything is better than the former.

TN: Where do you derive smugness from such a statement?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

KingZ’s and Karma’s last posts distilled:

“So Hell exists. What is its purpose? Why mandate eternal suffering for all transgressions, especially a lack of faith in ‘the Creator?’”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Are there really things known as Soul & God & Ghost???

karma: I need to hit the books again so I can make responses of your caliber more consistently :) I’ve let me old bean lie fallow too long.

slasher: have to agree with your first paragraph. the whole subject interests me, but sometimes I obsess over it; I delude myself into siege mentality (’they’re trying to convert me!’) and start thinking of how best to defend myself.

To be alive despite myself is a daily comfort.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

trentmiller: If Yahweh is anything like what the bible describes him, I want nothing of him. He’s sanctimonious, narcissistic, and hypocritical; traits highly unbecoming an alleged being marketed as supreme judge, king of kings, and father figure. If my language sounds like that of a rebellious teenager, then I’m sorry you see me that way.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Are there really things known as Soul & God & Ghost???

But why believe without evidence? Faith isn’t the virtue touted by most folks.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / So what makes you a god anyway

But isn’t creativity a step away from insanity?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / So what makes you a god anyway

Jealous?! I’ve spent a good chunk of my life letting go of that wanton desire to control absolutely every aspect of my existence. Godhood has its price, and that price is isolation. From isolation springs insanity.

Piece of advice, Karma: careful where you cast your hook and line, you might troll up an anti-ship mine.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

I’ve had a good think and realized that my primary hangups with the whole “god” concept are:

  • The installation of such entities as authorities over at least one aspect of life/nature/the universe
  • The character of such entities as alleged in “holy” scripture, esp. as regards their use of power, the expectation of worship, and the violent retribution against dissent to their authority.
  • The bare assertion of such entities’ existence being taken as fact, on pain of isolation, death, or worse, reinforced by many generations of cultural tradition.

I must admit that these stem from personal experience; I ill tolerate anyone who abuses their power and easily grow frustrated whenever I haven’t the power or resources to challenge them. My struggle in life is keeping that frustration to a minimum, not letting it devolve into bloodthirsty hatred of anyone I might perceive as agents of a tyrant.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / So what makes you a god anyway

OP: I have no personal criteria for classing any entity as a “god” — I think the entire concept a now-maladaptive artifact of human nature; combining fear of death and the unknown, deference to power (esp. aggression and destructive might), and the need to belong.

vikaTae: couldn’t have said it better.

GearsChicken: Bare assertion is not evidence. Try again.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Hell Exists

I doubt I could follow VikaTae’s above post with anything similarly eloquent…

samuro2: You’re operating under the assumption that everyone should find [the Christian] Heaven desirable and thus strive to reach it. Like so many of the previous respondents to the OP, I find Hell preferable if it means raising a middle finger to the sanctimonious, narcissistic prick you call ‘God’.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Sorry I’ve been gone for so long! Computer hardware seems to die quickly in my care…

The ‘free will’ concept is an artifact of the top-down, authoritarian structure drilled into the average believer’s head from the first moment they’re capable of learning. It’s also a defense mechanism against the realization that not all is under one’s control, particularly the actions of other people.

Consciousness is an emergent property of the billions of neurons composing a given brain working in unison.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

sleepallnight: Jesus expected the world to end in his lifetime, as has every other fervent believer. Also, I reject the doctrine of sin; it is unjust and somewhere between a confidence trick and a protection racket. Kindly take your preaching elsewhere; it’s unproductive here.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

In that case: Yahweh cannot exist, at least not as commonly believed.