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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

trollmedic: Sexuality is an integral part of the human psyche, and to place cultural taboos upon it (especially via legislation) or label some forms of it “deviant”/“abnormal/”an illness" is dehumanizing to those affected. You might find homosexuality icky, but that confers no right or entitlement to limit expression of same.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

SirPhilly: You may voice your disapproval of homosexuality and marriage equality all you like, but you’ll end up making yourself look like backward-thinking [snip] doing that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

james: Like I told someone on another site: troll shit makes excellent fertilizer when properly handled. If you oppose same-sex marriage, I sincerely hope you’re not asking to have this thread closed because your side has nothing to stand on while using the fact a troll started it as cover; that’s rather cowardly.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

karma: Couldn’t have said it better myself.

The only ammunition opponents have left are the blanks of tradition and fear. our society has realized the injustice inherent in the denial of civil rights to a given group. And no, there is no public “right to discriminate” because discrimination is an infringement on others’ civil rights.

Private organizations may reserve such a right, but exercising it may carry a heavy price in public perception.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

wargamer: discrimination infringes on the civil rights of those discriminated against, especially where the law is concerned. The enshrinement of bigotry (and religion-specific tradidions) in (secular) law is an abuse of power and official capacity. Many biblical traditions (specifically slavery and prescription of the death penalty for many crimes) have long fallen into irrelevance, and it is downright sociopathic for anyone to seek their reinstatement. We humans have realized that while each of us is unique, we are not so different.

Defining “marriage” in such a way as to deny the rights and responsibilities granted by that institution IS bigotry. If homosexuality scares you so much, fuck off to Uganda or some other country where they still consider homosexuality a crime even though science has shown that it isn’t a fucking choice.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

wargamer: But HOW does same-sex marriage undermine social and natural order? What power gave you the monopoly on defining “natural and normal?” Second, I said “cult-like.” Similarity is not identicality. Third, societal perceptions change over time; in this case, SCOTUS has officially recognized that state bans on same-sex marriage are discriminatory and thus unconstitutional. For all your bitching about how “duh qweerz” have just shit all over the Constitution, those of your mindset have wiped their asses with it for decades. btw, “pesky religion” colors nearly all of your posts even if you don’t explicitly mention it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

wargamer: national recognition of same-sex marriage is a step towards equal treatment under the law. Failures in moderation are far more apparent in more deeply-ingrained aspects of [American] culture: namely, the cult-like veneration of tradition, even when said tradition is of negative value for those worshipping it. “the good old days” never were, and never will be except in the minds of those refusing to accept the inevitable.

vika: lay off jhco; there’s no value responding to him if you know he’s got nothing to offer.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

OP: The only real threat marriage equality poses is to the power base of religious fanatics who’ve grown too comfortable with their ill-gotten lot in life. Good riddance to the pulpit-thumping set, says I.

For all his power, the god you apparently worship is the archetypal abusive patriarch with strong hints of paranoid despot and slick sociopath tossed in.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Autism Speaks a hate group?

IoD: I went through what your older brother did—though not on that scale; it is not fun. On my worst days, I felt that killing my parents was the only acceptable recompense for their emotionally neglecting me and otherwise pushing me to socialize before I was ready. However, I always questioned such thoughts and reminded myself that going through with such an act would only hasten the erosion of my genuine self.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Definition of Forgiveness

Thank you all for the responses!

SirPhilly: I already have a far better idea as to why than I did when I started along the path. I have good reason to believe that little (if any) of the mistreatment I suffered was willful. I suspect that my folks were rushed into their marriage given that my ma was pregnant with my eldest brother at the time, and that butterflied into the many choices they made and the various states or situations they found themselves between then and now. They were simply ill-prepared for the psychological challenges of raising a family.

JohannasGarden: Indeed. I may have that exact issue with my mother; she’s a devout Baptist. It will prove quite frustrating to voice my opinion regarding forgiveness as she seems to be drifting deeper into a Bible addiction.

FlyingCat: Again, indeed. I fear that if I do forgive my folks fully while still under their roof, they may feel entitled to lord themselves over me again. I figure that chance has eroded over time, yet I am still on guard against it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Definition of Forgiveness

SirPhilly: I’ve been treading a long, twisting path to forgiving my parents for neglecting my emotional needs as a child; the highest hurdle has been divesting myself of the desire for vengeance or other recompense. I think I’ve pretty well overcome it now that I’ve taken the time to process my observations on how and why they acted the way they did (and still do sometimes). While I yet live with them, however, I won’t tolerate their bad behavioral habits and will act accordingly—with far less emotional baggage driving my reactions.

VikaTae: I see where you’re coming from. Vengeance begets vengeance, though, and you might become unable to forgive yourself for actions taken in blind rage.

JohannasGarden: Excellent points! I haven’t the foggiest idea what else to say.

ZombiestookmyTV, SybilCrawly, dacomb, James146: I find Christian practices of forgiveness shortchange the wronged party, especially when the party who did wrong holds authority over the wronged. Immense pressure gets placed on the wronged party by the rest of the group to forgive prematurely and have the matter swept under the rug. The cycle repeats in perpetuity until the wronged party either takes the matter into their own hands or goes through channels other than those prescribed. As I like to put it: “Authority Absolves Accountability.”

Sadly, this is a (near-) perfect emulation of their deity, who will do anything to shift the blame onto the victim or otherwise divest himself of any responsibilty. Anyone questioning or challenging that is threatened with social exclusion, death, and worse fates. Is that really fair and just?

The systematic abuse of power, authority, or official capacity is unforgivable, building a system centered around such even more so!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Two American millennials destroy history in Italy.

cro:I do agree that the pair involved acted rather stupid. However, I’m rather disappointed at how you’ve chosen to frame the incident. Stanwise nailed it here: stupid is blind to demographic categorization, and you’ve come off as rather bigoted against younger people in the last several threads you’ve started. Your recent track record of posting leaves me to wonder whether you’re due for a long hiatus from Internet forums.

FYI, it doesn’t take a history lesson to learn that vandalism (of any sort) isn’t okay: I remember scratching “No Graffiti” with a rock into a wall of the school where I attended a special class for gifted kids; I honestly thought I was doing my part for an anti-graffiti campaign active at the time. I was about 6-8 then (I am 28 now— Do I qualify as “millennial?”). And for someone who rails about young folks having no respect for history, you’ve shown yourself doing a smashing job of repeating it.

vika: Egypt comes to mind— I think ground bits of mummies were the rage in the Victorian era.

Frostbringer: That’s a pleasant surprise given the apparent image of us Americans as mostly overzealous, boorish rednecks. Then again, I’ve probably bought into another canard of our country’s mass media—just a pack o’ scaremongers for fun and profit these days.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Home sweet home...

don: I feel like a bit of an idiot—I hadn’t realized you were in hospital when I tried to contact you Tuesday! A belated “Welcome Back!” to ya!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Gay Marriage OK from a Biblical Perspective?

Reader: How is marriage harmed when the law extends the right to same-sex couples? How is society harmed by allowing same-sex couples to assume the rights and responsibilities of marriage? Where is the “moral decay” you speak of?

Indeed that everyone’s got opinions, but you cannot reasonably ask that your opinions or beliefs be enshrined in [secular] law.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

cro/OP: “normal” differs by individual. It is harmful to constantly tell someone that they are not “normal,” let alone “broken,” “tainted,” “evil,” or “sinful” because they have a self-image that differs so greatly from what is typical. The parents must take some responsibility for their child’s suicide because their belief system told them that their child was “bad” for who and what she was, and failing to stop and reflect on the impact of echoing such beliefs.

To call suicide “selfish” or “cowardly” shows a lack of empathy. It is selfish, cruel and unjust of your god to punish those who gave in to that crushing despair rather than comforting them.

I, too, have Asperger disorder, and have learned to mitigate many of the challenges associated with it. While I’m interested in a cure, overcoming the obstacles inherent to this disorder made who I am today, and I am grateful for that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

cro: If you’d read the last few posts, you’d see that self- and outside regulation of this hypothetical “Collective” is the main point under discussion. That would fall under “ethics,” if somewhat obliquely.

The Collective would have to respect the rights and wishes of those electing to stay “unplugged” if it seeks to survive. I mentioned the value of such “unplugged” individuals in keeping that Collective cognivitely and emotionally healthy and stable.

Personally, I’d choose to stay “unplugged” as I do value my individuality and have a healthy aversion to peer pressure. I’m also the sort that prefers to observe rather than interact.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

cro: It is the perception of superiority that breeds ambition. My IQ has been measured at about 140, but I don’t get full of myself because of that. Individuals who might receive augmentation won’t necessarily perceive themselves “superior” unless predisposed to do so by personality or upbringing. Google the “Dunning-Kruger effect” and you’ll find that it’s the least competent in a given attribute or field of study who most often see themselves as superior.

I’d love to wax philosophical about the maladaptive traits and habits of the world’s current religions, but I’ll save that for another thread.

Pete/IoD: I too am curious as to how a cloud consciousness might regulate itself. If you ask me, it’s imperative to find that balance of power between the collective as a whole, the general public/consensus, and both overt and covert leaders. I think the system needs to allow for at least a few outside observers (“unplugged” individuals) to weigh in on the Collective’s behavior and decisions. The Collective would also benefit itself by concentrating on self-reflective capacity in its formative days.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

pete: I’m rather partial to communication via thought, whether it be between brains or brain-to-computer. I’m pretty good at manipulating symbols and shapes mentally, but I’ve little (if any) artistic talent or training in graphic design.

cro: Everyone has fear about the future to some degree. Indeed, paranoia about what’s around the corner and fear of the dark helped our ancestors survive! Fear of knowledge and its potential for abuse, however, is a massive liability. Short-term comfort is no compensation for spurning a shot at securing long-term survival for the species. Resisting inevitable change is almost certain death these days. Actively retarding it in the name of some cause is arguably a crime against humanity.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

cro: I made no such implication; if I made any with my statement, it would be that you likely agree with the sentiment.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

BSG: Perhaps, but the act of engaging is of some use: namely to help me better articulate my (evolving) position on a given matter and to test the integrity of potential opponents.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

Kasic: I’ve been in your position before—you’ll drive yourself mad if you dwell on it too much. Your tone leads me to suggest starting with epistemology, that branch of philosophy concerned with knowledge and thought.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

cro: I am an atheist, but no “hollow man” am I because of that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

karma: …And I know the folly of trying to separate aspects of oneself, let alone someone else. Today’s culture has grown far quicker and to far a greater scale than the human brain is familiar with. I guess that’s why most people and the groups they identify with come off as cliquish, petty, and polarized to me.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Jantonaitis: All that feuding across threads is my biggest turnoff from posting here; it evokes unpleasant memories of real life. It’s doubly irritating seeing the board only stagnate when I’ve made great positive changes as a person. I guess it’s easier to slip into old personae whenever everyone else does it.