Recent posts by Jantonaitis on Kongregate

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Modern Feminism and SJW's.

Why do you care? What possible difference does it make to you what Trans choose to call themselves? Is this a ‘personal value choice’ for you or something?

Nobody calls themselves SJW. The idea that they all use tumblr is moronic.

1. “Equality” but has fem in the name.
2. Focuses on one gender’s issue but claims for equality.
3. Ignorant and do not listen.

This is semantic bullshit. No wonder your friends have given up talking to you. How do you propose they come at equality when women have a lower status than men in society?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The origin of sexism - are men better than women?

A valiant effort, DB. Still only 1/10

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Misrepresenting Race

I say that because, in your two posts thus far in this thread, all you have done is slag off on Kasic …. and, from appearances, for his positions on feminism. Ya only barely tied that to the OP. Ya haven’t at all bit into the meat of the OP and where Pete is taking it. You just want to bite Kasic’s ass and give it a good shaking; and, make little-2-no effort to show how doing it even is that relevant. Yes, YOU are just that mean-spirited.

No, I just don’t care to make a text-wall response to every post. You’re certainly not the only one guilty of that in this thread but it is pretty tiresome; if they were informed, polite textwalls they might be worth reading, but instead they’re rife with insults, whining, and redundant points. You’re the last person who should be telling people to stick to the topic.

Race and sexuality are under the same ideological umbrella. If you think of yourself as racially colour-blind it follows that you don’t acknowledge gender self-determination, ie intersectionality. I’m not ignoring Kasic, I’m just sick of his positivist excuses for bigotry.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Misrepresenting Race

I’ve gone over why I think “rape culture” explanation for things is akin to a conspiracy theory before and I don’t want to drag this off topic discussing it again.

Exactly. You’re a broken record. You don’t think it’s legit just like you don’t think identity politics are legit because you belong to the majority culture that overlooks power dynamics as irrelevant. It’s only irrelevant to you because your gender and race has never been oppressed.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Misrepresenting Race

This is why I don’t take you seriously, and why I’m calling you a racist. It’s the same kind of garbage I despise certain kinds of feminism for. The victimhood narrative, power obsessed, classist drivel that is so completely wrong in recognizing cause and effect between existing things that it invites worse outcomes, claims understanding to be impossible, and is mind-numbingly ridiculous that I literally sit here with my mouth agape trying to follow the insane thought patterns you must be using to link this all together in a tangled web of hypocrisy, irony, projection and brainwashing.

You DON’T understand minority narratives and that IS something you need to get straightened out before you dive into one of these conversations. The are ‘obsessed’ with power [power dynamics actually] because white cisguys like you are unaware of the tremendous power your identity exerts, which is why you think rape culture is a conspiracy theory.

I don’t know why the fuck Karma is coddling you given his views on this are way more closer to Petes [and mine, and other clear-headed white guys] than yours. maybe he just hates Petes so much he can’t stand to agree with him on anything.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Hyperthetical: The Musical Reversal

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Appropriated form Chuck Klosterman’s book/game “50 Questions for Insane Conversations”

The Musical Reversal

Now, I concede that this transformation would make you unhappy. But explain why.

Personal authenticity. People believe their music choices reflect deeply rooted personality traits. You could pose the same question with books r movies but it’s more inherently irrational with music.

So for example I enjoy Fairuz. Perhaps it evokes my political interests, or the exotic, Orientalist attraction. And then this happens and I hate Fairuz and love Wiggle. My personal aesthetics would be all screwed up. There may even be a moral component as Petes touched on.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Misrepresenting Race

Race is socially constructed. Unless her genealogy has been exhaustively researched you can’t argue she’s faking it. That would be a form of cultural [or racial, whatever] imperialism. Just because she looks White doesn’t mean anything. I have Jewish friends as White as I am [read: very] who spit nails whenever they get grouped in with Whites, and with good reason, becase being perceived as part of the majority when your identified race was heavily persecuted by said majority [no, not just ww2 stuff] would be rather aggravating imo.

Originally posted by James146:

Petes, eventually those Indians will mix in with us. Global culture and freedom plays a big role in that.

Yes, assimilation via globalization has lots to do with ‘freedom’.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Canada Vs. United States

Our freedoms are quickly vanishing. Privacy no longer exists. It is talked about but it is gone. This isn’t just a US problem though, it is pretty much worldwide because of the internet and the rush for everyone’s personal information. Our government has become information hungry as they consider America the enemy now. We are supposed to be over our government according to our founding document but that has changed and we are now subjects of Washington. Our government is corrupted and no longer functional.

For the benefit of non-Canadians, I present Bill C-51

I don’t know much about the United States so it’s difficult to make a fair comparison.

I lol’d.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / If you could live in a different time period...

I am starting to wonder if Serious Discussion is all about using fallacies and attacking the person instead of the argument.

You must be a real noob to just realize this.

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Probably the beginning of the Dark Ages then. With this small fleet.

Using modern maps of known resource deposits, both those being mined and those already tapped out, I would identify a place to erect an outpost to accomodate a majority of the needs of an industrial society, with relatively easy access to rare earth deposits later on, and establish a bastion.

the goal being to rewrite history, creating an industrial base in the distant past when there were no modern countries, no real international squabbling, and no limitation on resources. No pollution regulations, no greenhouse effect… heck, no pollution!

Give rise to a technological society in isolation there, with the intent on going post-human at the same time as the unwashed masses of humanity are huddling in the dark, scared of their own shadows, and have abandoned technology altogether. By the time humanity at large emerges from the dark ages, my creation should be magnificent to behold.

ie. Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court. I read another one, same theme, where it’s 300 AD Rome and the hero is a Classics Prof trying to keep the Empire from collapsing.

Originally posted by Bankzy:

I would love to live in the 1950s, There seemed so much to be going on in the world back then, even though it was not as widespread. Times were more simpler, style was cooler, honor was different. From my Granddad’s experience he always mentions how people were more polite, understanding and friendly in that era.

This for me but different reasons. Chicago, ca. 1949 was a major political science nexus. The cold war’s just beginning, the CIA is actively looking for grads, McCarthyism is still a few years away. Great cultural style too.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

:) Apart from implosionofdoom I can’t think of a current reg that didn’t irritate me at some point.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

Not to open any sore wounds here, Jan, but my putting a mute, on the bulk of ppl I do so, is my way of earmarking the lesser-known (to me) posters that I observe as being someone who has intentions other than wanting to seriously add to the discussions. I’m sure there is a better method of putting them on some list by using much better computer skills than I so obviously possess.

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Not to open any sore wounds here, Karma, but your apparent inability to discriminate between people who don’t add serious weight to a discussion [ie. McAlty], versus people who said something at some point that you disliked, and held it against them for the rest of time, is a key reason there are old wounds in the first place, from my perspective. If we all did as you did, there would be very little use for shouts and pm’s because all the SD regs would have blocked each other.

If there was a built-in ignore feature, I’d have switched you on years ago [and vice versa], which would’ve been a shame because you sometimes make fascinating points, as above [the stuff not quoted].

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

To be fair, Jantonaitis, the idea of resurrecting a dead thread to share your amusement at my responding to trolls is, in essence, responding to trolls.

I didn’t respond to the first reply because (frankly) I didn’t really understand it.

Hypocrisy never bothered me much. Warrgamer is always confusing, but unlike guys like yeasy, I’m confident there’s something profound to it – I just don’t know what it is.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

It’s amusing how you derailed your own thread to respond to the obvious troll [and continued to do so] rather than respond to the second post that was actually on-topic.

If this thread is any indication, you’ve adjusted yourself to SD behaviour expectations [mine, at any rate] just fine.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sexualisation and Sexual Objectification in Video Games

In The Old Republic [star wars mmo] one of the more insidious aspects of objectification is the difference in body types for males versus females…Body type 4 is the ‘heavy’ size. There are no fat girls in the Star Wars universe, apparently. It is also impossible to make a character with a small bust size. Hell, even the droids come equipped with massive boobs. That’s not a sex-bot either, it’s the exoskeleton for a prison AI that briefly tries to murder the PC.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Tutorial: How to Troll

Originally posted by Kasic:

You, Karma, and Cro are all adults. Why do you (the you refers specifically to petes here) insist on acting like a 4 year old? And yeah, I’m fully aware that this comment is going to spark more fighting for probably no gain, but this thread is already here so I might as well.

/thread

Petes, Your knowledge of trolling comes exclusively from cro [vannie]. idk why you -any of you – continue to debate him knowing full well that he’s a troll, and less so why you made a philosophical debate about it.

Also, while I greatly dislike Karma, he ISN’T a troll.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is feminism obsolete???

Perhaps, but I’m not that deep into it that I’ve investigated organizations or specific groups. I’m not interested in groups, but rather the different kinds of ideas out there.

And yet whenever the subject comes up you’re there to provide dissent. the groups – the people – are the reality, not the ideas claimed.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is feminism obsolete???

To note, the radical ones are the ones who think the patriarchy and rape culture are the explanation for why society is however it is, and try to link everything back to it. There’s a misunderstanding of cause and effect, which I’m ever more certain is one of the most root reasons to any false belief.

Rape culture and patriarchy aren’t radical. They are major aspects of 3rd wave feminism which you disagree with because they’re unsettling in the same way the concept of privilege unsettles us privileged groups [white male middle class cisgender]. Parts of third wave are radical, but they’re pretty recognizable – the ones that blame men for everything without criticizing women when they’re at fault, and refuse to enter into reasonable dialogue. You mentioned skewed statistics, which is also a sign.

Trying to explain away blanket statements of feminism runs the risk of No True Scotsman fallacy; the way to avoid that is to be specific which organizations are radicals. I could point you, for example, to herself.com [NSFW], which uses radical methods but their views don’t jive with mainstream 3rd wave – they’re lipstick feminists which is in conflict with most other factions because of the inherent objectification. And yet many of the models aren’t that attractive, which complicates the message even moreso.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / The future of Kong's forums?

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Book Club 2015

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Don, throw us some structure here. I don’t know if anyone except me agreed to read (and be prepared to discuss) Equoid.

When will we discuss?
What’s the next story/book?

Do you have a process for nominating and choosing the next story?
Did you like the idea of rotating through genre and literary fiction, with some non-fiction thrown in?

(Maybe participants can be responsible for identifying the next story. Vika should choose next.)

I wouldn’t recommend Equoid. I mean, I did, but that was in a Lovecraft thread. Accelerando was pretty good though, as was his A Colder War. That last link is another sci-fi archive like tor.com.

Free online books can often be found through one’s public library, via Overdrive / Freading. Also this , or this.

I used to be really into hypertext novels like Sunshine ’69 but they aren’t for everybody. Personally I recommend Peter Watt’s Blindsight which features believable future tech, transhumanism, vampires, and the big questions. Here’s a good intro to the book, courtesy of the author, to give you an idea [click the links for extras].

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

I’m not a troll. I quoted that pm to show that I have tried FOR YEARS to end this feud and I got nothing to show for it. He doesn’t have any concept of compromise, or admitting any fault of his own [other than deflecting blame back to me]. I have at various times left SD, and no matter how long I leave for he’s the exact same bitter old asshole he was when I left. so yeah I’m frustrated.

I’ve had it. I’ve had enough of SD for 2015. Pete was right, even with punitive measures in place there’s nothing here worth saving. And you know what really ticks me off? It’s not karma. It’s that for as long as this has been going on, you all have stood by and done nothing but make snide remarks and feign sympathy in private. If I leave, the problem will not leave with me. The personal vendetta will, but he will continue to be as he is – and it’ll be your problem, not mine. Enjoy!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by cromagin2:

Don’t you think it’s wrong to use private email and private “PM’s” on the public forum? Those are private thoughts and feelings, is that not against the rules?

I do, though in this case they’re my words. I don’t reveal pm’s other people send me.

One of the reasons I was so hung up on getting unmuted was so we could sort it out away from the forum. Vika’s right – it pollutes the atmosphere to have this continue. But it’s not enough to simply call it quits if there’s no resolve to change one’s behaviour.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Had YOU been able to be objective when reading my post, you would have noticed that I DID take responsibility for my behavior … ya know, the behavior that I said was a result, mainly of YOU, ppl getting away w/ the very same.

That’s not taking responsibility. It’s like the Batman argument: “I had to become an asshole to fight the other assholes.” Uh, no. And in any case, it’s untrue. You may not remember but our feud originally began because I took exception to your vicious attacks on jhco, and you resented being mini-modded. Just as you resented any form of criticism that you can’t shift over onto someone else.

I have the original email right here, sent from an alt account because you’d muted me. I sent it 3 years ago:

You know who i am so let’s skip preliminaries.
I’m willing to make a truce with you if you are with me.
I’ve been annoyed with you for some time, and that’s partly your own habits, but it’s also the fault of my own irritation on another website bleeding over to this one. I’ve come to recognize that i’ve been overly harsh to you for that reason.
If you Unmute Jantonaitis then i think we can come to good terms. I’ll only make this offer once though; after that, they’ll be no respite.

It’s a bit melodramatic perhaps. But I don’t really see how you could view it as insisting you take all the blame, bowing down, etc etc. But then I don’t really understand a lot of your motivations. One thing I do understand though is that if Don puts this thing through I won’t need to go to the trouble of ending this feud or mini-modding. Because you’ll be silenced until you learn your lesson. And you’ll cry victim and accuse the mods of bullying – but it won’t make any difference.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

My time being spent on moving into a new house certainly takes precedence over petty bickering w/ ppl who aren’t able to view themselves as a part of the problem …

Actually as the quote you used indicates, I do view myself as part of the problem. The issue is that you don’t. You got a Kong admin telling you nothing is ever your fault and [surprise!] you don’t take any responsibility for the ad hominem attacks you frequently make. You also ignore the fact that I was willing to resolve this feud peacefully, privately, back in 2012 – but instead by your own admission you went to a mod to seek absolution [you also later reposted my pm’s in an attempt to humiliate me, because that’s just a thing you do].

So no. You aren’t going to weasel out of this. I want an end to this conflict right right now, and that requires YOU to show a little more responsibility than you’ve previously shown, and it requires ME to keep the agreement even when right now I’d like nothing better than to troll you until you gtfo and stay out.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Don, I’m a major troublemaker here [now that karma’s gone] but nonetheless would you mind explaining in detail what you have in mind? I’m bugged by the persistent notion that we could’ve easily accompanied Petesahooligans’ arguments – except we were arguing blind because we lacked the details. That was problematic and should’ve been explained at the same time you indicated you were interested in doing this.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

This place sucks. Sorry, I’m out. Can’t do it. I’m actually feeling frustrated, and I don’t want to feel frustrated in a place I would come for ideas. It’s all yours, lads (and lass). Goodbye.

hmm, can’t say I was expecting that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by cromagin2:
Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by cromagin2:

This is rather unfriendly and harsh, don’t you think?

You reap what you sow. Yeasy’s been here long enough to make his ‘debate’ style well known. He doesn’t believe evidence has any part in a debate, which makes it rather hard to get anywhere. Add in his insistence that only one very narrow-field type of logic has any merit, and you get a complete waste of time all round.

So yes, we’re rather unfriendly towards him.

My point was saying “Fuck off back to OT” is a violation of the rules and a quite blatant one. It’s frankly not Jantonaitis job to punish other members it’s the moderators. It’s telling that the person who was told to “fuck off” still has his posts on this thread yet Jantonaitis posts were removed. To me that says the moderator disagrees that Yeasy is a problem and yelling at him just because he is from OT is unfortunate

If the mod disagrees you’ll know because he deleted the post. Which he did. And yet yeasy is gone, so I think I’ll pat myself on the back for stopping that shitposter in his tracks.

The alternative, which is preferred by most SDers, would’ve been to debate him, but use snide, passive-aggressive language to subtly persuade him to fuck off back to OT [which never actually works]. I like my way better.

Originally posted by Kasic:
Now, Nokken as OP may not have intended the thread to be about actual practical problems with SD but he also wanted to get banned

This is something I don’t get. Why would he think posting this would get him banned?

Because he’s a drama queen. Takes one to know one.