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Topic: Serious Discussion / Hillary Clinton is paying people to "correct" people's opinions online

Originally posted by Kasic:

Here’s a question that’s been in the public eye the last week: Are women/people in general voting for Clinton in part or entirely because she is a woman?

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/04/29/women-may-decide-the-2016-election/21368136/

I’ve actually seen info that women hate hillary so much that they’re having a hard time deciding between her and Trump.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should we get rid of reparations?

Except that our history has made them unequal, which is why the reparations exist, not just because we feel guilty. you can’t snap your fingers and say ‘ok from now on we’ll just treat everyone the same’. Spend some time volunteering or working in racial slums and you’ll realize that – Petes isn’t coming at it from a ‘white guilt’ perspective.

That means, of course, that with groups that have sufficiently recovered, there is no reason to keep on doing it. The Japanese deserve an apology, but that’s about all they deserve anymore [Japan’s a country that could definitely learn a thing about racial reparations to the people they fucked over]. Same with the Chinese and the railroads, or [in Canada] the Sikhs immigrating in the 30s. Same with the Jews and the Germans, imo. They deserve continued gestures of support, but they got plenty of recompense already.

Natives and blacks have a long way to go before they have economic parity with whites.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should we get rid of reparations?

I didn’t realize the US discriminated against casinos in the past. The more you know…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Hillary Clinton is paying people to "correct" people's opinions online

This is admittedly old, but here’s a link of why people support Trump. If you like, I can also pull up stats of professionals with high education who support Trump. It is reductionist to argue that only the village idiots are supporting him.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Hillary Clinton is paying people to "correct" people's opinions online

Will online discussions be taken over by paid shills?

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This is the main problem here. Not the thing itself, just the idea of it will create hysteria. Whenever it’s discovered or just rumored that x company / public figure / country is hiring paid shills, or uses employees to anonymously insert the company line, it creates hysteria in the entire industry, to the point where saying anything good about x company /person/country nets you accusations of being a paid shill.

If they’re open about who they are, as they are on twitter, facebook etc. then there’s no problem imo.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sixth Extinction

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Besides if we let things get bad enough, we might end up having to engineer ourselves to fill in the empty ecological niches…
Which is downright horrifying if you think about it long enough….
Like in the sci-fi book “Man after Man”

Thanks for the author suggestion! Dixon sounds very interesting.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

What an idiot. You still haven’t bothered to actually cite any sources or support your claims in even the loosest fashion, by the way. That isn’t going unnoticed.

Indeed. I’m noticing that you’re taking an admitted shitposter [the #gamergate avatar didn’t give it away?] completely seriously rather than, idk, ignoring him?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

Originally posted by Hunter_616:
Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Gotta say, it’s disturbing how many people [on the internet] think blacks commit crimes, have lower educations, incomes etc in the US because they’re racially inferior, rather than because government and society has been predicated on that assumption for hundreds of years. You see the same kind of thinking pop up in pretty much any country with a large ethnic minority population. Hell, you even see it abroad to some extent in countries with large western expat populations – when I was teaching in Korea I was shocked to see Whites placed in a similar category to blacks and Japanese as the ‘loathsome undesirables who contaminate the genepool’.

I have a friend who taught English in S.Korea (actually, I have family doing it too…must look into how one gets into that) and she was saying how she was ridiculously shocked at the Korea v Japan thing, you’ve got kids no older than 14 hating a country, and for what (Apparently their answer was “Because they’re Japanese”, which doesn’t wash well with my mate).

That being said, we have kids brought up from birth in sh***y groups like the KKK et al, over in UK we have SO MANY (This isn’t even half of them) White Supremacist/hate groups. People are indocrinated into this stuff, and if you grow up believing this, it becomes very difficult to break away from it, even with all the proof in the world.

I got kicked out of the country for teaching a lesson on Dokdo. I pretended to favor the Japanese position to get the kids talking [12-15 year olds] and I guess it worked too well, as I got suspended three days later, and eventually deported.

Mind you, from what I hear from other expats, many of the Japanese are just as racist towards Koreans as the Koreans are towards them.

I’ve seen that infographic before, it’s pretty detailed. I was amused to see the JDL on it, not because they aren’t racist thugs, but Canada’s apparently one of the few countries that doesn’t list them as a hate group [even Israel does]. I didn’t realize they were a franchise.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

Gotta say, it’s disturbing how many people [on the internet] think blacks commit crimes, have lower educations, incomes etc in the US because they’re racially inferior, rather than because government and society has been predicated on that assumption for hundreds of years. You see the same kind of thinking pop up in pretty much any country with a large ethnic minority population. Hell, you even see it abroad to some extent in countries with large western expat populations – when I was teaching in Korea I was shocked to see Whites placed in a similar category to blacks and Japanese as the ‘loathsome undesirables who contaminate the genepool’.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sixth Extinction

Originally posted by thepunisher52:

I’m only intrested if another Ica age comes with in my life time and socail contract is torn and pissed upon, survival of the fittest ensues.

So, just like Pakistan everyday, but with snowballs?

Originally posted by BombCog:

Nope. We’re megafauna and we’re destroying the conditions on which we depend for survival. We have one, maybe three generations left. Tops. Social pressures are so massive that the only hope is some kind of near-extinction event to avoid total human extinction.

Cheery. And here Petes said he wasn’t trying to be alarmist.

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Will humanity pull out of this tailspin?

I don’t see why not, although there’ll probably be a MegaDeath event or two in certain areas that can’t cope with the environmental damage, especially in Africa, the Middle East and possibly the southern United States. Starvation and mass migrations will probably do the worst damage. But I think it’ll take more than three generations to get there.

What will be the principle source of recovery?

Well, the population will decrease to planetary sustainable levels, for one.

What paths lead to a sustainable future?

We’ll have to give up our consumption society, or most of us anyway. Reduce our meat intake, energy use, general wastefulness. Stop using cars, planes, except for essentials. It’ll be a WW2 homeland rationing way of life, and our governments will get bigger to to accommodate it.

Will humans go extinct in this current ecological crisis or will we survive (to face some unforeseen existential threat in the future)?

Yup. We’re a resilient species. You can obviously take the worst-case scenario and envision a mad max / zombieland idea, and that’s certainly what our mass media has been feeding us with all these teen dystopian films [maybe the superhero films are some kind of savior projection too], but you could as easily say that a supernova could explode somewhere in our local star group and vaporize us tomorrow. We’d have little to no warning, nothing to do to prevent it or get away from the blast.

I’d rather envision a future where that, or another cataclysmic event, doesn’t happen, and given that none of us are climatologists or seers, it’s not like i’m rearranging deck chairs while the Titanic goes down – we all have access to the same information, and i’ve read nothing that conclusively says “based on current inaction and dithering, we’re all screwed.” We’re in for a bad trip, and that’s mostly our species’ [and mostly the bloody Chinese, at that] fault, but there’s no sense believing it’ll be endgame.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

Not familiar with Nepolionic Partisans, will have to look them up _

You mean there’s a Brit out there who’s never seen Sharpe? Crazy :-)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

I think Anne Coulter may have coined it. It seems like a word she’d make up.

2- Grassroots Campaigns (as in bottom up/leaderless) have been very successful in the past (There are a few books written on the subject, including anything on the Spanish Partisans of the 30’s). In fact, a lot social change hasn’t required a leader, it’s dedicated groups doing whatever they’re doing.

Yup, certainly works for Al Qaeda. I googled the Partisans, thought it was a reference to the Partisans in the napoleonic wars [which i’m more familiar with] and then when I saw the wiki link I suddenly realized why those guys in DS9 and Voyager referred to themselves as Maquis. Neat.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

In Canada it’s natives, not blacks. There was a big thing in the last couple years about native women making up the highest category of missing persons. But the native community didn’t need to have a race riot to get people paying attention, it’s been a pretty big topic for the past two years. The Conservatives dithered on it but the new Lib gov’t has been taking some steps.

It’s one of the strange things that come up when comparing Canada and the US – we have many of the same social problems they do, albeit with different races, but we don’t end up in the same situation they do, with race riots and escalation. I’m tempted to think it really is a case of two cultures, but I think the US just has worse outcomes because their situations are worse.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Justice for Boaty McBoatface

I’ve never heard of Huffpost ‘making up stories’. They have the same journalistic ethics and standards that govern any online news outlet. If GamingGate is any indication, even videogame news sources [in theory] take those ethics very seriously, to say nothing of Huff. They have a strong bias, certainly, but they don’t belong in the ‘invented news’ category the way Clickhole does.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Germany to arrest a comedian for satire

Why wouldn’t satire automatically fall under freedom of speech?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Germany to arrest a comedian for satire

To be fair, Germany has been a nation of sissies since that whole WW2 thing.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

Originally posted by onemorepenny:

I don’t like any charities because most of their budget is spent on gathering more money for the survival of charities themselves. They are all just a front for drama queens to make an easy living.

eh, they’re a good way to make a living. ITT you got two guys who are already involved in charities and I’m trying to get my foot in the door too. I also like that according to classic conservatism we ought to scrap social welfare altogether and rely on charities to look after the disadvantaged – i’d like to see how verifiable that idea is.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

Was looking to see the third Divergent movie [go ahead, mock away] today and noticed this. Autism Speaks is copartnering with this theatre to show ‘sensory friendly’ films. idk what that has to do with autism but it sure sounds like they’re doing more than picking up cheques, right?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

oh, right. But he’s non-verbal so it’s hard to tell. In many ways it’s more like I don’t have a brother so much as I have…a Wookiee. And I don’t speak Shyriiwook. Say, that’s a good comparison. I was trying to think of something less callous than ‘family dog’ because my parents hate that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / E-cigarettes

Aha…but you’re a pouch tobacco smoker. So at least by cost and taste you’re already smarter than the smoker who just buys single packs from the convenience store. Yeah, it’s dumb to smoke, but there are levels of dumb. I never bothered with pouch tobacco because it seemed like a lot of work whenever i wanted a smoke. But now i’m vaping and there were and probably will be many times where some tiny maintenance issue kept screwing me up. So it’s relatable.

As with all things, it helps if the people who get you started are nice about it and don’t price-gouge you. a lot of times when my mod broke down i took it to my vape shop and they’d spend 40 minutes building and replacing a new coil for free, or they’d give me a new tank because the juice i’d been using had cracked it [stay away from licorice flavors]. But there’s plenty of vape shops in my city that aren’t like that, who overcharge for juice and mod components and make you hate the whole process. It probably also helps in my case that I only started smoking about seven years ago, so I’ve had time to get addicted to nicotine but not totally stuck on smoking as the way to get it. Although it does make the ‘you have to be stupid to smoke’ argument hurt a little – I was halfway through my degree when I started.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Food For Thought.

Originally posted by SirPhilly:

So, does it mean when a person thinking on how to do good for their nation gets into Politics to fulfill that, they get corrupted by other dark politicians? Because, it seems the dark politicians are many and influential.

Yes, they get seduced by the dark side of the Force the political process.


There’s also the idea that what gives someone else the right to dictate what is morally/socially acceptable to someone without knowing the circumstances? How can you truely claim to represent everybody when, at least in democracies, there is always someone who disagree’s. Politics is a platform for one person to put forward a view that apparently represents their country (or county/constituency etc.). How can you do that without your personal preferences coming forward?

No, that’s democracy working as intended…It’s majority rule. Several countries use different methods of counting votes to make it more representative [ie proportional representation] but it’s still majority rule, and that’s a social contract you don’t get to opt into but can opt out of simply by not voting. So people don’t vote in droves.

That bit about being totally objective and a mere mouthpiece for the wishes of their constituents is just one way politicians in liberal democracies use their power, and it’s not a popular approach or imo the best approach. It can lead to a mobocracy POV where you just do whatever your constituents want without using any good judgment to decide if that is actually best for your constituency or balanced by the larger, competing needs of your province/state/burough/nation. Why bother voting anyone in on the basis of their political savvyness if all you want is someone to directly relay whatever your constituents want at any given time, perfectly weighing all their various viewpoints by the numbers? So no they are not generally elected on the basis of objectivity, they aren’t bean counters.

I honestly believe that if you’re going to have a system of rulers, that they should be experts in their field, and that normal people need to be removed from the “voting” process. Peer reviews should be the method of voting, and this would allow for a more informed gvt. system. (Unfortunately it also leaves itself open for abuses of power, which is my main grind of politics. Positions of authority are usually abused), so it’s more of a “If the world was perfect” idea.

Enlightened despotism. It goes back to Plato, and pretty well every classical political theorist you can name has fooled around with the idea. One modern guy who did a lot of work in that area was Leo Strauss, who basically replicated Plato’s idea that you need an enlightened citizenry to elect an enlightened leadership. He had lots of good ideas but is usually criticized not unfairly as an academic elitist and a conservative reactionary [somewhat unfair]. My MA supervisor was a Straussian. Amusingly, Strauss is mainly remembered because some of his students got cliquey and formed the idea of what would be called neoconservatism.

I suppose it does rely on people being open to newer idea’s, which isn’t always a thing. However, these people do exist. In my prefered line of debate (pro-equality/ anti-racism) it commonly works as an opinion changer, it’s how my idea’s changed from being a hardline knob to less knobby (although that’s debatable lol).

Sure, I’ve seen it happen to others and had it happen to me in Israel/Palestine debates. But I wouldn’t care to honsetly speculate how much of that mind-changing was due to top-shelf rhetoric and emotional appeals rather than strictly factual argumentation. People, especially men, tend to say that they only accept logical proofs in arguments, but that’s imo wishful thinking [aspies might be a notable exception]. Sure you’d like to have been convinced by a better-as-rational viewpoint, instead of ‘’that guy writes well, I like his style, or her friendly demeanour, or their honorableness towards those with different views’ or some other unquantifiable attribute.

Lots of people don’t like Trump, for example, because his aggressive rhetoric doesn’t resonate with them, so his ideas are laid bare as the nasty, prejudiced shit that they are, but the reason many people like him is exactly that, not merely his ideas but how he talks about them – his identity as an OG businessman ought to contradict the populist ‘mans man’ artifice he poses as, but for some reason it’s a convincing mask. Plus it’s hard, or ought to be hard, to feel superior to Trump supporters if you’re an Obama or Clinton fanboy, who are both comparable masters of political rhetoric, just with different ideas and styles.

whew that’s a big textwall. I usually try to edit these down but can’t be bothered tonight.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

Why would I? I’m not autistic [really!]

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / E-cigarettes

Originally posted by ImplosionOfDoom:

True, but do you expect everybody to reliably maintain their gear on a regular basis?
Unless manufactures add in some kind of little alarm to tell the user that’s something’s wrong with their equipment (pretty much the e-cig equivalent of a ‘check engine light’) it’s almost inevitable that some users will either forget to replace their stuff or outright refuse to replace their e-cigs thinking it’s some sort of scam (like disposable razorblades, or something).
all…

Which they will do when public outcry happens, though as you mention in the next paragraph, because it is new technology it’ll take a few years to reliably argue whether it has long-term effects [apart from the nicotine where the effects are already known].

I’m still a bit unsure about the whole coil replacement thing, to be honest. There’s an unmistakable taste difference when there’s not enough liquid in the tank and/or when the coil/cotton needs to be replaced. Although the vape shops recommend changing them out every week or so, the vape shops, like all businesses, say lots of stuff to drum up business. One of the more laughable claims is that a 30 ml bottle of e-juice is the equivalent of 300 cigarettes. I suspect the time to change the coil is pretty close when it stops tasting good, and that’s the reason they don’t have warning lights installed, because it’s common sense. Regardless, I don’t expect everyone to reliably maintain their gear on a regular basis [I certainly don’t] but that’s just a legal caveat to say that it’s not their fault their customers are idiots. Many of them are ex-smokers, after all…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

I had a feeling you’d object, Kasic. No, I don’t. What do you want me to say, “you’re one of the good ones”? :-) I think that probably makes it worse.

It took me a long time to become aware that that irritating niggardliness, that logic-nazi attitude towards life was due to aspergers. I kept seeing it pop up constantly online, but almost never offline until I met a couple Philosophy student aspies and it all clicked into place. Ironically, my parents thought I was an aspie when I was younger, until therapists told them that it wasn’t that I didn’t understand social cues, it’s that I just liked behaving boorishly.

Anyway, the percentage that has enough self-awareness to suppress those annoying qualities is not the majority of aspies. Do I have solid evidence of that? Of course not. It’s all anecdotal, but it fits with what i’ve seen so I’ve got no reservations about seeing it scienced away, whether through genetics or some other approach.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / More evidence that Autism Speaks is a hate group.

Yes, autism speaks has issues. It’s not a hate group though. I’ll show you some hate in a bit so you learn the difference. Like IoD in that other thread, my brother has autism – the severe, non-verbal kind he references here:

Have you ever seen kids on the most severe end of the spectrum? They often never obtain any language whatsoever (completely non-verbal and illiterate) and tend to hurt themselves (repetitively beating own head against the wall, etc) They’ve also got a bad habit of randomly wandering into traffic, and unpredictable violent outbursts of kicking, hitting or even biting people… And they never ‘grow out of it’, they will need constant care and supervision 24 hours a day.

Sounds like my brother. My parents are getting on in age and he’s exactly the same as he was when he was ten [26 now] and they don’t have the endurance to handle him the way they used to. He pinches, scratches, grabs food off people’s plates, wrenches eyeglasses off people’s faces, poops his diapers, stuffs food into his mouth without swallowing, leading to aspiration…on and on. My parents didn’t do anything wrong that caused the disorder, and i’m glad they chose to have him, but seriously a cure or pre-natal treatment sounds like a good idea imo.

The other plus is that it will cause the aspies to go extinct, which imo is what you’re really worried about, OP. As annoying as my brother is, at least he doesn’t take me to task if I say ‘everyone would agree on x’ because omg he doesn’t agree and yet I’m saying ‘everyone’, ergo the sky is falling. Having a debate with an aspie is like talking to a DOS computer…you have to be extra-careful what you input because the wrong thing will cause their logic filters to implode.

tl;dr. Your ‘lifestyle’ annoys me on all parts of the spectrum and I’m glad AS is working to make that treatable so future generations don’t have to put up with it. Speaking of which, take the tinfoil hat off pls.