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Topic: Serious Discussion / is feminism becoming an excuse for women to be sexist

lol…the point is that without 3rd wave feminism you’d STILL have women’s rights, you just wouldn’t have societal respect for women except as beautiful objects in need of protecting. If you missed that part, you didn’t read it very well.

And yes, taking arguments from MRA goonies as a way to criticize modern feminism is stupid. Try to think for yourself instead of regurgitating the arguments of misogynists.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / is feminism becoming an excuse for women to be sexist

Originally posted by ImplosionOfDoom:

Hmm…. Sometimes it is hard to tell good satire apart from trolling…. I have a feeling the person you directed that post to will probably stop reading after the first few sentences. Ah well, that’s the gamble of using sarcasm on the internet.

Yeah…too many words was my downfall.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / is feminism becoming an excuse for women to be sexist

One more thing.

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Yes, upon paying the $7.00 membership fee and learning the secrete feminist handshake, a woman can honestly be called a BITCH. That’s just the way things are in good ol’ virtuous America….a place for everyone and an attitude tailor-made for those too dumb to know what to think.

This dude used to say “don’t get yer panties in a bunch” ie. ’don’t be oversensitive’ as a catchphrase. He stopped when I told him it was misogynistic. Dude hails from an era when ‘darling’ was what you called a girl you were on good terms with and ‘slattern’ when not so much. Now, this dude also thinks I’m a piece of shit so he certainly didn’t change his behaviour for my benefit. He changed because he realized there’s something iffy about that phrase. In other words, he a modern feminist, old fogey aside.

The moral of this story is that regardless of whether you gain a better understanding of 3rd wave feminism or not, modern feminists, female OR male, like karma and I [and theBSG, we’re a trio], will be dragging stubborn reactionaries like you into the New World Order whether you like it or not.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / is feminism becoming an excuse for women to be sexist

Originally posted by Pawnzilla:

First let me say that I am talking about feminism in the United States and Europe.

I am tired of hearing that the radical ones are the minority. I’m not buying it. From what I have seen they are the overwhelming majority of the voice of modern day feminism. If they are indeed the minority, then the majority is being awfully quiet while the radical ones bring about political change.

perhaps the majority is too busy doing stupid shit like chatting up SD. Or maybe, much like the dipshits who wonder where all the muslim criticism for radical islamism, you just don’t pay attention.


What do I disagree with? I thought the link I posted was pretty comprehensive. The feminist movement is no longer about equal rights, as equal rights have been mostly achieved, with a few exceptions like the military.

OK sweetheart, let me break this down in simple language so your tiny female brain can understand: men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Got all that, gorgeous? Good. Now why don’t you be a dear and stop worrying yourself about these big issues that aren’t your concern, and go back to looking pretty, dollface? Say, does your husband know you’re online talking to strange men? Best go tell him, get it off your chest, ahaha, pun most DEFINITELY intended!

wait, what? You don’t LIKE being talked down to like a fucking child? Don’t like the casual objectification of your sex I did there? What’s the matter? Nowhere in the above paragraph did I deny your right to vote – as your husband, to whom according to 30 year old matrimony vows you’re to obey, dictates – or your right to work – as a nurse, secretary or elementary school teacher, perhaps – or get an education – maybe in home ec? – Nope, you’ve got all your rights intact, and I’ve got all mine, including the social right to call you a brazen slut for daring to think you’re my intellectual equal. And 30 or 40 years ago, well after the Suffragist movement, I’d get a standing ovation for putting you in your place.

As it happens, there’s plenty of people who’d like to reverse time to the good ol’ days, and they don’t ALL have personal saviors to tell ‘em to. Men’s Right Activists [MRA] are secular dudes who’d agree with every one of the problems you listed, and be happy to have you as an ally, since, for them, it’s become rare to find a girl who doesn’t have a smart mouth about these things.

Not to say that ALL your points are off-base, radical feminists [radfems] DO sometimes escape into misandry and victimization narratives. We’ve even got a token radfem you can talk to in SD, Sharangir [Urine doesn’t count, she’s a signatory to the SCUM Manifesto – another kettle of fish]. But many of them are shitty. I really hope, for example, you’re not comparing male circumcision – a relatively harmless procedure invented by those kooky jooz – to female genital mutilation, in which those kooky north African tribalists cut off part of your clit because girls shouldn’t enjoy sex.

Fact is, if it weren’t for modern [third-wavers] feminism, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, because back in the day, good girls shut the fuck up.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is my being a white, cisgender, heterosexual male a bad thing?

White privilege for poor whites

“I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.”

“When I am told about our national heritage or about ‘civilization,’ I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.”

“If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.”

“I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.”

Bolded point is a double-edged sword nowadays

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

Then this whole diatrube about cisgender. Cis is an old latin prefix, so it predates all of this catawhaling about new terms destroying your precious language. It literally means ‘the same as’ as opposed to trans which means ‘across from’ (also Latin).

So cisgender was not used to indicate normal (your words) and thus transgender meaning abnormal (logical extension of your own words).

Cis is a new term, coined in the 90s but not popularized in English until 2007. The first time I heard of it was right here in SD. It’s also not a neutral term. It’s used to create a binary opposition between LGBTQ and heterosexual, because heterosexual wasn’t good enough apparently. The New Yorker article I linked a few posts ago noted that radfems discourage its use because [obviously] it can also be used as binary opposition between trans and non-trans women, the latter of whom are therefore guilty of inherited gender privilege on account of being born into their identity. So, just as it pigeonholes heterosexual men, it can also be used against straight woman feminists too.

Sure sounds like Newspeak to me.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

Actually it was because as you stated multiple times, if they might be a woman on some days and a man on others then you will refuse to give them the pronoun of their choice. As you went on to say anyone might choose to pretend to be a gender other than their own at any time.

So, the core of the issue is that you don’t consider a transgender individual as any more than a person of the gender other than the one they identify as, with a severe mental illness. You won’t ‘encourage’ the illness, so you won’t accept their transgender identity, and refer to tham as their birth gender always. To hell with them.

You know vika, this reminds me a lot of the time you thought karma was a pedophile because you misread one of his rants. Remember that? You should, he reminds you of it frequently. Or maybe the time you thought I was a bigot for not being sufficiently nice about transhumans, and in both cases you realized you were wrong but only after you’d gone on a holy self-righteous crusade. And I can think of three or four others, though not by name. So as a third party in what’s shaping up to be this latest fiasco, I’m going to request you do two well, three things:

1) QUOTE what he said, not what you think he said.
2) LEAVE your victimization tendencies at the door.
3) Get the FUCK off your pedestal. Sharangir and Karma don’t even approach your “how dare you besmirch blah blah blah” antics.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / is feminism becoming an excuse for women to be sexist

Originally posted by Kasic:
But does that justify or does it not justify saying that a man needs to do something because it’s the man’s place to do it? if I tried to tell a woman to do something because it’s her place to do it that is sexist.

Neither are justified, both are sexist. You’d probably only get called out on saying the one to a woman though because, due to feminism, it’s been drilled into everyone’s head that such a thing is sexist and that saying/assuming that isn’t okay/fair. We haven’t really progressed much on the male front also because feminism has drilled it into everyone’s head that men are privileged and that women have been under-appreciated/oppressed for forever, even though that’s not entirely true.

As you mentioned earlier most feminists would equally lose their shit over both examples.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

I highly recommend you find yourself an editor

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

Maybe I’m just sick of seeing page after page of your textwalls.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

No, BSG. Now you’re just trying to convince biguglyorc he’s secretly bigoted. 8000 words and counting.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

As said above, I HAVE been giving you links that show examples. Maybe vika is right about how ya’re failing to “educate” yourself in order to protect your (her words) bigotry. Have you not taken my advice and given some thought as to how your “Newspeak-comparison” is coming across a tad bit “excessive”?

Your whiteknighting is the only thing that looks excessive to me.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

btw, since I brought up feminism in the last post, I should point out that the transgendered have a rocky relationship with some contemporary feminists. Specifically that the same problems biguglyorc has about changing the nature of language and the uncertainty of whether a transgendered person is ‘really’ devoted to his/her new gender or not, could, with a little tweaking, easily come out of the mouth of a radfem.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

Anyway… the way I see it, and I know I’m not the only one to see it that way, if social awareness of a problem is forced, extorted, people tend to do the contrary to what they’re expected to do. “Force someone to love you to make them hate you”; it’s analogous to reverse psychology. I, for one, don’t mind Gay Pride parades and the like, but I don’t attend them just as I don’t attend any other parades: Veteran’s Day, important anniversaries, etc. It just isn’t my thing. One of the aforementioned transsexuals I knew (mind you, I would get along with her just fine, we’ve had quite a few enlightening conversations on this) claimed that I was a bigot, as she knew I had nothing against sexual minorities, yet it wasn’t enough to make me support them more actively by participating in one of those parades. This is a stance that seems similar to yours: you simplify it to “you’re with us or you’re against us”. I don’t want to be either.

You’re not the only one. The first gay pride parade I attended was this past summer, and only because I was responsible for coordination of my politician-boss’s parade float. I recruited a friend from uni to help; she’d been involved in LGBTQ activism in school. The main reason I asked for her help was because I knew from prior experience at uni that LGBTQ activists can be ill-tempered towards people who aren’t 100% on their side. Her role wasn’t to be my token gay friend but rather to prevent me from saying anything potentially offensive. Not that I’d normally give a damn about hurting their overzealous feelings, but it WAS a work function for me. It isn’t my culture and I don’t go to Eid or CariWest either for the same reason.

Back in Uni I frequently got called a homophobe for criticizing the direction my poli sci department was taking identity politics, especially queer studies, to the exclusion of traditional sub-disciplines like political economy or pre-modern political philosophy [ie. Cicero, Aquinas, Adam Smith, Nietzsche etc. We’ve got plenty of Marx]. I was also maligned for pointing out that 80% of thesis topics chosen by my graduate class were gender studies related. I’m all for breadth and diversity – which is exactly why we don’t need 12 grads doing work on homophobia in the media, or revisionist arguments for Hypatia being the true author of Plato’s dialogues. And my understanding was that the same thing was happening in Sociology, English Lit, vanilla Philosophy, etc.

I think of myself as a feminist, enjoy feminist literature, and will vigorously defend 3rd wave concepts like rape culture. Queer theory I know much less about, and part of the reason I know less is because LGBTQ activists have poisoned any interest i have in exploring what is probably a similarly rich knowledge base. Sharangir’s alienating manner and snap dismissal of views that don’t agree with her own aren’t unusual – what’s unusual are people like the friend I brought to the parade, who I can have a good discussion with, who will correct me if i’m being offensive, but won’t bite my head off in the process.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is my being a white, cisgender, heterosexual male a bad thing?

http://mic.com/articles/101158/white-people-are-unironically-talking-about-the-white-experience-in-new-pbs-documentary

 
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Topic: Platform Racing 2 / This kind of dissrespect must stop.

You should post this in General Gaming as none of us here give a shit about your issues.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Transgender Individuals

TNG did an episode on this subject which was surprisingly not crass and shitty [Enterprise also had one, which wasn’t terrible either.]

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Communism Vs. Capitalism

Originally posted by DanielMontgomery:
Originally posted by vikaTae:

Try to use more sources than just skimming Wikipedia and dictionary sites for your knowledge, Daniel. Seriously.

you admitted yourself you don’t know anything about the economy and now you’re trying to use it to say that I don’t have knowledge about it.

XD

No, she’s humble enough to admit it’s not her knowledge base. She DOES, however, know Sharangir, Issendorf, and myself and we do know politics despite having hugely different views – Hell, Issendorf hates socialism – but we all agree you’re a fucking moron.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should women serve in the military?

Since you’re an admitted troll anyway I don’t see the conflict. I was a bit apprehensive about liking a karma post but your tendency to use memes swept that concern aside. I fucking hate memes.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Ebola cases popping up all over texas

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should women serve in the military?

It would appear that you know as much about the military as you do political & economic theroies.
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Nicely stated, Sharangir.

+1

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Communism Vs. Capitalism

Originally posted by vikaTae:


Oh, and Daniel, for what it’s worth, I too did not have you pegged as a financial advisor. You come across a little bit immature, and I had you pegged as a high school student.

Likewise

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should women serve in the military?

No, don’t read that thread. For one thing it deals with the American military and has nothing to say about countries [like Canada] where women have been serving for awhile. Unlike that shitty thread, your criticisms aren’t hypothetical, but SD has apparently decided to ignore that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Ebola cases popping up all over texas

Originally posted by Kasic:
Originally posted by CaptEthan:
Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

Should Obama nuke Texas y/y?

But really, Dallas is mishandling possible Ebola infections. For example, five officers entered an Ebola tainted apartment, and were allowed to leave. Also, there were still ppl living in the apartment. Obviously quarantining ppl in an apartment building full of civilians is a great idea that in no way could backfire!!!!

discuss how Texas sucks at handling diseases and has doomed America

:P doomed? No, I think not. Besides who are you to judge these people on how they are doing their jobs. Are you an expert on such cases??? If so i would like to see proof.

Crow is a forthright troll. Don’t take what he says seriously.

I take Crow more seriously than I do Ethan.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Communism Vs. Capitalism

Originally posted by Sharangir:

The two are connected for fucks sake. There is almost not a single ideology that doesn’t address both the political and the economic. Or what do you think the planned part means in planned capitalist economy? What do you think the stateless part means in Communism? What do you think the minarchist part means in Objectivism? What do you think the corporate part means in corporatist capitalism? What do you think the anarchist part means in Mutualism?

Rhetorical questions, btw. (You can use a dictionary for rhetorical, it’s a word, not an ideology with hundreds of years of writing material.)

I know you don’t want to hear me gloat, but I’m glad you took the trouble to prove me right: You wrote a lengthy, but very good explanation of communism to this dipshit…and just like I said would happen, he threw it back in your face. And rather than give up, you continued hacking away at it, not realizing that all your obvious educational background on this subject don’t count for shit to him because he’s a financial adviser who’s got dictionary.com on his side.

The point of no return imo was when he said political theory is just opinions, meaning your informed opinions and his retarded opinions are equally valid.