Recent posts by Jantonaitis on Kongregate

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

:) Apart from implosionofdoom I can’t think of a current reg that didn’t irritate me at some point.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

Not to open any sore wounds here, Jan, but my putting a mute, on the bulk of ppl I do so, is my way of earmarking the lesser-known (to me) posters that I observe as being someone who has intentions other than wanting to seriously add to the discussions. I’m sure there is a better method of putting them on some list by using much better computer skills than I so obviously possess.

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Not to open any sore wounds here, Karma, but your apparent inability to discriminate between people who don’t add serious weight to a discussion [ie. McAlty], versus people who said something at some point that you disliked, and held it against them for the rest of time, is a key reason there are old wounds in the first place, from my perspective. If we all did as you did, there would be very little use for shouts and pm’s because all the SD regs would have blocked each other.

If there was a built-in ignore feature, I’d have switched you on years ago [and vice versa], which would’ve been a shame because you sometimes make fascinating points, as above [the stuff not quoted].

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

To be fair, Jantonaitis, the idea of resurrecting a dead thread to share your amusement at my responding to trolls is, in essence, responding to trolls.

I didn’t respond to the first reply because (frankly) I didn’t really understand it.

Hypocrisy never bothered me much. Warrgamer is always confusing, but unlike guys like yeasy, I’m confident there’s something profound to it – I just don’t know what it is.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Beauty and Survival

It’s amusing how you derailed your own thread to respond to the obvious troll [and continued to do so] rather than respond to the second post that was actually on-topic.

If this thread is any indication, you’ve adjusted yourself to SD behaviour expectations [mine, at any rate] just fine.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sexualisation and Sexual Objectification in Video Games

In The Old Republic [star wars mmo] one of the more insidious aspects of objectification is the difference in body types for males versus females…Body type 4 is the ‘heavy’ size. There are no fat girls in the Star Wars universe, apparently. It is also impossible to make a character with a small bust size. Hell, even the droids come equipped with massive boobs. That’s not a sex-bot either, it’s the exoskeleton for a prison AI that briefly tries to murder the PC.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Tutorial: How to Troll

Originally posted by Kasic:

You, Karma, and Cro are all adults. Why do you (the you refers specifically to petes here) insist on acting like a 4 year old? And yeah, I’m fully aware that this comment is going to spark more fighting for probably no gain, but this thread is already here so I might as well.

/thread

Petes, Your knowledge of trolling comes exclusively from cro [vannie]. idk why you -any of you – continue to debate him knowing full well that he’s a troll, and less so why you made a philosophical debate about it.

Also, while I greatly dislike Karma, he ISN’T a troll.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is feminism obsolete???

Perhaps, but I’m not that deep into it that I’ve investigated organizations or specific groups. I’m not interested in groups, but rather the different kinds of ideas out there.

And yet whenever the subject comes up you’re there to provide dissent. the groups – the people – are the reality, not the ideas claimed.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is feminism obsolete???

To note, the radical ones are the ones who think the patriarchy and rape culture are the explanation for why society is however it is, and try to link everything back to it. There’s a misunderstanding of cause and effect, which I’m ever more certain is one of the most root reasons to any false belief.

Rape culture and patriarchy aren’t radical. They are major aspects of 3rd wave feminism which you disagree with because they’re unsettling in the same way the concept of privilege unsettles us privileged groups [white male middle class cisgender]. Parts of third wave are radical, but they’re pretty recognizable – the ones that blame men for everything without criticizing women when they’re at fault, and refuse to enter into reasonable dialogue. You mentioned skewed statistics, which is also a sign.

Trying to explain away blanket statements of feminism runs the risk of No True Scotsman fallacy; the way to avoid that is to be specific which organizations are radicals. I could point you, for example, to herself.com [NSFW], which uses radical methods but their views don’t jive with mainstream 3rd wave – they’re lipstick feminists which is in conflict with most other factions because of the inherent objectification. And yet many of the models aren’t that attractive, which complicates the message even moreso.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / The future of Kong's forums?

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Book Club 2015

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Don, throw us some structure here. I don’t know if anyone except me agreed to read (and be prepared to discuss) Equoid.

When will we discuss?
What’s the next story/book?

Do you have a process for nominating and choosing the next story?
Did you like the idea of rotating through genre and literary fiction, with some non-fiction thrown in?

(Maybe participants can be responsible for identifying the next story. Vika should choose next.)

I wouldn’t recommend Equoid. I mean, I did, but that was in a Lovecraft thread. Accelerando was pretty good though, as was his A Colder War. That last link is another sci-fi archive like tor.com.

Free online books can often be found through one’s public library, via Overdrive / Freading. Also this , or this.

I used to be really into hypertext novels like Sunshine ’69 but they aren’t for everybody. Personally I recommend Peter Watt’s Blindsight which features believable future tech, transhumanism, vampires, and the big questions. Here’s a good intro to the book, courtesy of the author, to give you an idea [click the links for extras].

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

I’m not a troll. I quoted that pm to show that I have tried FOR YEARS to end this feud and I got nothing to show for it. He doesn’t have any concept of compromise, or admitting any fault of his own [other than deflecting blame back to me]. I have at various times left SD, and no matter how long I leave for he’s the exact same bitter old asshole he was when I left. so yeah I’m frustrated.

I’ve had it. I’ve had enough of SD for 2015. Pete was right, even with punitive measures in place there’s nothing here worth saving. And you know what really ticks me off? It’s not karma. It’s that for as long as this has been going on, you all have stood by and done nothing but make snide remarks and feign sympathy in private. If I leave, the problem will not leave with me. The personal vendetta will, but he will continue to be as he is – and it’ll be your problem, not mine. Enjoy!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by cromagin2:

Don’t you think it’s wrong to use private email and private “PM’s” on the public forum? Those are private thoughts and feelings, is that not against the rules?

I do, though in this case they’re my words. I don’t reveal pm’s other people send me.

One of the reasons I was so hung up on getting unmuted was so we could sort it out away from the forum. Vika’s right – it pollutes the atmosphere to have this continue. But it’s not enough to simply call it quits if there’s no resolve to change one’s behaviour.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Had YOU been able to be objective when reading my post, you would have noticed that I DID take responsibility for my behavior … ya know, the behavior that I said was a result, mainly of YOU, ppl getting away w/ the very same.

That’s not taking responsibility. It’s like the Batman argument: “I had to become an asshole to fight the other assholes.” Uh, no. And in any case, it’s untrue. You may not remember but our feud originally began because I took exception to your vicious attacks on jhco, and you resented being mini-modded. Just as you resented any form of criticism that you can’t shift over onto someone else.

I have the original email right here, sent from an alt account because you’d muted me. I sent it 3 years ago:

You know who i am so let’s skip preliminaries.
I’m willing to make a truce with you if you are with me.
I’ve been annoyed with you for some time, and that’s partly your own habits, but it’s also the fault of my own irritation on another website bleeding over to this one. I’ve come to recognize that i’ve been overly harsh to you for that reason.
If you Unmute Jantonaitis then i think we can come to good terms. I’ll only make this offer once though; after that, they’ll be no respite.

It’s a bit melodramatic perhaps. But I don’t really see how you could view it as insisting you take all the blame, bowing down, etc etc. But then I don’t really understand a lot of your motivations. One thing I do understand though is that if Don puts this thing through I won’t need to go to the trouble of ending this feud or mini-modding. Because you’ll be silenced until you learn your lesson. And you’ll cry victim and accuse the mods of bullying – but it won’t make any difference.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

My time being spent on moving into a new house certainly takes precedence over petty bickering w/ ppl who aren’t able to view themselves as a part of the problem …

Actually as the quote you used indicates, I do view myself as part of the problem. The issue is that you don’t. You got a Kong admin telling you nothing is ever your fault and [surprise!] you don’t take any responsibility for the ad hominem attacks you frequently make. You also ignore the fact that I was willing to resolve this feud peacefully, privately, back in 2012 – but instead by your own admission you went to a mod to seek absolution [you also later reposted my pm’s in an attempt to humiliate me, because that’s just a thing you do].

So no. You aren’t going to weasel out of this. I want an end to this conflict right right now, and that requires YOU to show a little more responsibility than you’ve previously shown, and it requires ME to keep the agreement even when right now I’d like nothing better than to troll you until you gtfo and stay out.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Don, I’m a major troublemaker here [now that karma’s gone] but nonetheless would you mind explaining in detail what you have in mind? I’m bugged by the persistent notion that we could’ve easily accompanied Petesahooligans’ arguments – except we were arguing blind because we lacked the details. That was problematic and should’ve been explained at the same time you indicated you were interested in doing this.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

This place sucks. Sorry, I’m out. Can’t do it. I’m actually feeling frustrated, and I don’t want to feel frustrated in a place I would come for ideas. It’s all yours, lads (and lass). Goodbye.

hmm, can’t say I was expecting that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by cromagin2:
Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by cromagin2:

This is rather unfriendly and harsh, don’t you think?

You reap what you sow. Yeasy’s been here long enough to make his ‘debate’ style well known. He doesn’t believe evidence has any part in a debate, which makes it rather hard to get anywhere. Add in his insistence that only one very narrow-field type of logic has any merit, and you get a complete waste of time all round.

So yes, we’re rather unfriendly towards him.

My point was saying “Fuck off back to OT” is a violation of the rules and a quite blatant one. It’s frankly not Jantonaitis job to punish other members it’s the moderators. It’s telling that the person who was told to “fuck off” still has his posts on this thread yet Jantonaitis posts were removed. To me that says the moderator disagrees that Yeasy is a problem and yelling at him just because he is from OT is unfortunate

If the mod disagrees you’ll know because he deleted the post. Which he did. And yet yeasy is gone, so I think I’ll pat myself on the back for stopping that shitposter in his tracks.

The alternative, which is preferred by most SDers, would’ve been to debate him, but use snide, passive-aggressive language to subtly persuade him to fuck off back to OT [which never actually works]. I like my way better.

Originally posted by Kasic:
Now, Nokken as OP may not have intended the thread to be about actual practical problems with SD but he also wanted to get banned

This is something I don’t get. Why would he think posting this would get him banned?

Because he’s a drama queen. Takes one to know one.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

There’s a couple of things I don’t really appreciate about how SD operates that are exemplified in this very thread.

Namely, and most obviously, it doesn’t provide any value to NEW participants to pull out the “we’ve been through this before” rationale for shutting someone down. Who’s we? You mean you’ve been through this before.

And I suppose if this has already been talked about then what’s really the point, right? It’s already figured out.

I consider that response patronizing and disruptive. Just because it’s been talked about before doesn’t mean that people aren’t allowed to talk about it again. It’s the conversation sometimes that has value and not necessarily the outcome.

There’s your problem.

The thread was derailed for awhile, you may’ve noticed, first for those drunk driving textwalls and now this objective morality stuff. Now, Nokken as OP may not have intended the thread to be about actual practical problems with SD but he also wanted to get banned so I’m kinda glad we made something productive come from this thread instead of essay-length meanderings. Even the part where we were all flaming each other was more on topic than some of you guys’ recent posts.

Second, and closely tied to the first, is that YES, vika and I and several others have been down this exact ‘lets be honourable’ road before and it did nothing, so if Don says he can push for more modding powers THAT’S what I want to hear more about, and if you want to have your ontological digression, go ahead, but please don’t do it here, because I want to hear actual brainstorming in this thread, not your repackaged personal philosophy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Creating Change in Your Community

Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

Best way to change your community: Create more long term jobs. Fewer poor ppl = less crime = better community.

This can be achieved by bringing in more business, encouraging locals to start their own businesses, and creating jobs that focus on improving the community.

Bringing in more businesses is probably the least helpful of the three, because non-local businesses tend to underpay workers and take money from the local economy and send it elsewhere.

Encouraging locals to create businesses is the best way. Maybe make it cheaper for businesses to get made in your community, then add a fee for non-locals who want to start them. Since the businesses are local, all profits stay in the community, boosting the local economy.

Creating jobs focusing on improving the community can help too. For example, someone’s job could be picking up trash in back alleys. Someone’s job could be planting trees to fight air pollution. Someone’s job could be to FEED CROWS so that the community will be spared when the CROWpocalypse happens.

Holy shit you actually made a [mostly] serious post.

@Petes

idk about the rest but imo it’s certainly easy to perceive Hawk as a sell-out when your knowledge of him comes from a mediocre videogame series. He was the Shaq-fu of the 2000s [OMG there’s a sequel!].

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Creating Change in Your Community

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

I’m sorry, Cromagin, but I cannot talk with you anymore. I hope you have a pleasant and informative time here in Serious Discussion. I am detecting too much antagonistic bait in your responses to take your viewpoint seriously.

I see nothing that indicated this. What do you mean?

 
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We know this because we’ve been down this road before, several times, and it plain does not work to set up a code and hope everyone is decent enough to always follow it on their own.

Yup, agree 100%.

Petes, I think I understand your anxiety over the idea of an overly legalistic forum – I share that concern, but as long as it’s pragmatic rather than draconian in spirit it might just work. We’d need to hear Don’s pitch though, as right now we ARE putting the cart before the horse since we don’t have any details.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Metadiscussion On "Serious Discussion": A Comprehensive Analysis of Its Components and Purpose

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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Off Topic is below Average.

Originally posted by TheAznSensation:

I briefly perused through the age range of SD’s regulars; you guys are roughly 20 – 40 years of age.

OT is roughly 13- 20 years of age.

The real life equivalent of this thread is an adult, with a career and plenty of life experience, going up to a teenager, young and inexperienced, and telling him/her: “Man, your thoughts are worthless. My thoughts are sooo much better than your thoughts.”

True, though OP was an OT troll, not one of ours.

I’ve grown to not mind it so much as I used to. I’ve noticed that there’s a lot of smart, engaging posters in OT – they just can’t stand SD’s hum-drum atmosphere. It a shame because we could use more such people around here, and imo they tend to get drowned out by the trolls and shitposters in OT anyway.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Off Topic is below Average.

OT also has a high population constantly making new posts and threads. Whereas we had 4 threads being discussed yesterday and imo they were all boring as hell.