Recent posts by Lloyd_Majere on Kongregate

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Topic: Crush Crush / <BUGS> Post your bugs here!

Originally posted by ArtyD42:

Then he’s running an old format and hasn’t patched for… good lord, 444 million?

That’s not the case, because I’m getting the poke message on Cassie too.

I’m certain it’s like Anchahmancha said a couple posts back: There’s an invisible limit to hearts on maxed girls, which you can reach by clicking, going on dates, or giving gifts, but maybe not by idling. I’m currently testing this out now, attempting to hit the limit on my maxed Elle via a ton of dates. I’ll edit/post again with my findings. But in either case, it has nothing to do with the patch version.

EDIT: There it is. Took something like 70 Movie Theater Dates, I think. Kinda lost count. No idea if idling actually factors in, but there is indeed a limit:

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Topic: Crush Crush / Characters are real people (and animals)

EDIT: Ninja’d by Morgo herself. Hrg. lol

Interesting find. If you checked the new About Us page on, you’d see Morgo there too. Plus, on her channel she links to SadPandaStudios’s youtube channel, referring to it as “her other channel.”

It seems that the other two people on the About Us page are male, so they wouldn’t be girls on Crush Crush. Though now I demand the addition of Quill to that page. Clearly Quill is an integral part of this game’s dev team. :)

Also, Morgo if you read this, you have NO IDEA how jealous I am of THIS. I’ve wanted that exact figure for years.

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Topic: Crush Crush / Linear Multiplier and Diminishing Returns

The current game’s discussion seems split between Hobbies and the Multiplier, with a clear problem somewhere mixed in. Gunna throw my two cents in, but in a slightly different perspective.

So first, the problem seems to be that Hobbies “take too long.” Meaning, hobbies rise exponentially and very quickly, so that while the first levels only take seconds or minutes, by level 20 you’ll be forced to wait weeks. And since most girls are limited by a Job or Hobby level well above 20 (Mio requires 90???) this exponential growth is definitely a problem.

To supplement that, you can use the multiplier! You start out a 1x, and for every achievement, you gain .05x to it. This seems good in the beginning, until the law of diminishing returns comes into play.

For those who don’t know, the law works like this: At 1x you’ll make 100% profit. At a 1.0 increase (2x), you’ll make 200% profit, which is of course twice as much (200/100). However, a second 1.0 increase (3x) will yield a 300% profit, which is no longer twice as much, but 1.5x as much (300/200). This is because the gains are not compounding, and can only be earned once. Your standard gains shift with each additional multiplier, but the new multiplier doesn’t account for that. So to truly double, you’d need to rise from 1x to 2x, then to 4x, then to 8x, and finally, to 16×. Anything less than this progression will yield a diminished return from your previous increase.

So what does this mean? Well, in this game, it’s easy and recommended to get about a 5x multiplier quickly, within the first day of play. But that is a 5x increase (500/100), which isn’t possible to ever achieve again. The absolute maximum multiplier in the current game is 12.4x, so once you hit 5x you can only double your speed once more. By the time you hit 9.2x, you’ve pretty much capped your speeds: You won’t get but a 30% increase IF you got every achievement. (And since we know that isn’t possible…)

And this is a future problem too, because adding more achievements won’t solve it. Adding 9 per girl, 10 per job, or 1 per hobby isn’t going to help. Unless you add hundreds and hundreds, you’ll be soft capped by just getting half of whatever is added. But adding hundreds isn’t feasible either – you’d break time slots and there just isn’t enough content to warrant it – so the solution isn’t here. The multiplier MUST be factored in some other way.

Now, I personally don’t think the hobbies should be left alone either. At this exponential rate, they’d start taking months before level 30, and years before level 50. No multiplier increase is going to combat that. Similarly, mid-tier jobs require tens of thousands of ticks to level up, but it takes a minute per tick. 10,000 minutes = a week of waiting. Leaving this alone would be absurd, but increasing the multiplier would end up breaking them. So they will have to be adjusted as well.

Hopefully I’ve given a little more insight (in layman’s terms, without much math) to the multiplier problem. I know I’m not the only one who realizes this, but I want to promote more discussion, maybe help the ideas flow a bit more.

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Topic: Crush Crush / Achievement Maths (Money, Hearts, Gifts, Dates)

Originally posted by Anchahmancha:

Nice guide, ty. Just a note on format: in your 2nd post when you count heart/money rate it’s preferable to wright 0 before the dots because in some countries (include mine) .XXX format is never used, it’s always 0.XXX, so it might confuse someone.

Done :)

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Topic: Crush Crush / Achievement Maths (Money, Hearts, Gifts, Dates)


1) Money Achievements cap out at $100,000,000 or $10,000,000,000, depending on how long you want to wait. It seems that it would take months to reach $10 billion, and since the devs update frequently, I wouldn’t advise this. But the info is included.

2) Heart Achievements cap out at 100,000,000, which you should work towards by spending $1 billion on 1333 Movie Theater Dates. (If you were willing to wait for the $10 billion mark, you could reach the 1 billion heart mark by going on 13333 dates instead, time below permitted)

3) Gift and Date achievements cap out at 1000 of each, and about 90 minutes of grinding out Shells and Strolls. (While getting 10,000 of each is feasible money-wise, it would take a minimum of 14 hours to achieve.)

4) These numbers were obtained on an average game, at 7.1x multiplier and on the current version posted as of 2/22/2016. Any changes to the multiplier will alter the numbers slightly, and changes to the game version will alter them significantly.

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Topic: Crush Crush / Achievement Maths (Money, Hearts, Gifts, Dates)

Now there’s two more achievements that matter here, outside of jobs and girls: # of Dates and # of Gifts. Their progression goes 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000; five total for each one.

No real maths here, just some observations: Obviously you’d want to use the cheapest means possible; the $500 Shell and the $1000 Stroll. This would make the 100,000 goals cost 50,000,000 and 100,000,000 respectively, which you can get over two days. So money is not an issue here.

As far as time goes, I’ve already calculated the Stroll to take about 5 seconds on repetition, and the Shell takes about 6 or 7 at a 7.1x multiplier. So with the method down, the question becomes: what’s the highest feasible number to get here?

Let’s use Strolls since they take the least time. To get 1000 Dates out of strolls, it would take about 84 minutes. Not terrible, but not that fun either. Of course, it logically follows that 10000 Dates would take 10x the time: 840 minutes translates into 14 hours. And remember that this is 14 hours of nonstop sitting and waiting in 5 second intervals. Yikes.

Of course, Gifts would take even longer than that, so I think it’s safe to cap these out at the 1000 mark. And this actually fits nicely into our Heart Generation formula: You can get the 1000 Date achievement while doing those, and then just focus on gifts for the hour and a half.

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Topic: Crush Crush / Achievement Maths (Money, Hearts, Gifts, Dates)

Now for the Heart Generation. In our current game, even though the achievement says “tapped for a total of,” it also counts hearts generated from Dates and Gifts. And since cooldowns on these are slow enough to be ignored even without multipliers, they are the best way to generate hearts. So I did the math to see what would be the optimal Heart Generation method:

Shell: $500 : 15 Hearts = 0.03 Hearts per dollar
Designer Bag: $14422071 : 771800 Hearts = 0.054 Hearts per dollar
New Car: $27401934 : 1525000 Hearts = 0.056 Hearts per dollar
Moonlight Stroll: $1000 : 300 Hearts = 0.3 Hearts per dollar
Sightseeing: $150000 : 17250 Hearts = 0.115 Hearts per dollar
Movie Theater: $750000 : 69000 Hearts = 0.092 Hearts per dollar

OKAY. So to sum this up, Dates are WAY better than Gifts to generate Hearts. The least profitable Date gives nearly double the most profitable Gift! However, while Gifts increase in Heart Generation with their cost (bigger price = more hearts), Dates DECREASE with their cost (bigger price = less hearts). So technically speaking, if you wanted to maximize Heart Generation, you’d pump all your money into Moonlight Strolls.

But, time is another important factor. At 7.1x multiplier, it takes me about 5 seconds to complete a Moonlight Stroll rotation (clicking and moving mouse included). This gets me 300 hearts, so to match a single Movie Theater date, I’d have to go on 230 Strolls, or roughly 20 minutes of repetition. This is also at about 1/3rd the cost, which matches our numbers. So now let’s look at the Heart Achievements:

The achievements start at 100 and increase by 10x all the way to a billion. Now, just getting to the max point in this game, you’ll proly hit the 1,000,000 one. But how long until the other three?

Well, using our $100 million per day from the first post, I figured getting $1 Billion would be easy enough. I calculated that using 1 Bil on Movie Theater Dates would generate 92,000,000 over 1333 dates. TECHNICALLY you could triple this by switching to Strolls, but then we’d be looking at 1333*230 to be equivalent, then *3 to maximize, then *5 seconds of wait time… I don’t think anyone will sit there nonstop for 53 days! And even doing this wouldn’t put you close to the final 1 billion heart achievement.

However, let’s say you wanted to make the wait from our first post until you reached the next money achievement. At 10 billion, instead of 1 billion, you’d use all that money on Movie Theater Dates to reach 920,000,000 Hearts. Combined with all the other playing, it wouldn’t be surprising to see that extra 80 Mil be gotten from somewhere. So this is an option, but I’ll just be grouping it in with the above wait as the absolute limit.

So the final result: You should spend a little over a billion money into 1333 Movie Theater dates to maximize the Heart Generation Achievement.

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Topic: Crush Crush / Achievement Maths (Money, Hearts, Gifts, Dates)

I worked this out recently, thought it might help someone down the line. This is looking to find the most feasible achievement limits in the current game (at the time of post) for the non Hobby/Job/Romance achievements. Conclusions are in the fourth post, if you don’t want to bother with the math. :)

My current game is at 7.1x multiplier, with all available jobs but Art unlocked. As anyone at this point will know, you can easily max out Fast Food, Restaurant, Lifeguard, and Cleaning, and be making 10s of thousands with Computers and Sports. You should be making many millions while you wait, so the question is: what to do with it?

Well, first let’s look at the two sets of Money Cap achievements; both for money currently held, and lifetime money earned. They each have the following progression:
And so on. Just add two Zeros until you reach 100 Quintillion.

Now, I’ve been running my 7.1x game for about a week, and although not optimal, I’ve made roughly 700,000,000. I estimate this is the average, which is a pretty fair gain IMO. However, it’s not really looking good on the Money Cap achievements. If I’m gaining 100 million a day, I’d end up waiting 100 days before reaching the next achievement mark. While not impossible, it does seem a bit of a stretch. Suffice to say, this is capped out at the 100 million or 10 billion mark, depending on how long you want to wait.

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Topic: Crush Crush / <BUGS> Post your bugs here!

My only guess is that because I was on the Hobbies page / running the game when it changed, it glitched out. I’m attempting the same thing again, no changes made, but of course I have to wait ~48 hours before it’ll reach that point. I’ll try to be offline when it happens.

Following up on this: I loaded up the game after I was certain it was past the required time to reach 19, and it worked: It showed I had gained a level on the offline gains display, and I’m now 19. So I’m pretty sure it was a glitch that has to do with running it and watching the timer countdown, but I’m not 100% certain and I definitely don’t want to test it again at 20.

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Topic: Crush Crush / <BUGS> Post your bugs here!

Originally posted by Kaelmon:

Leveling Wisdom from 18-19 resets back to 18, no progress made. Fullstop. I’m not the only one this has happened to.

This is completely game breaking.

I’ve encountered this too. I’m only running Wisdom and jobs, full time. I was watching the countdown and was on the hobby page watching the final seconds. It didn’t change from 18, and it also reused the same time again (as in, it takes the normal amount of time to go from 17 to 18, and NOT the increased time from 18 to 19).

My only guess is that because I was on the Hobbies page / running the game when it changed, it glitched out. I’m attempting the same thing again, no changes made, but of course I have to wait ~48 hours before it’ll reach that point. I’ll try to be offline when it happens.

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Topic: Kongregate / Raid Brigade free Kreds

They aren’t referring to trialpay, they are referring to this:

@Extremekiller2, if you followed those instructions exactly, you should have the Kreds. Here’s what I did:

  1. Downloaded Raid Brigade. (go to on your mobile device and select Raid Brigade to make it faster)
  2. Open the game and download its automatic updates. Just wait until you get to the starting tutorial.
  3. In the upper right corner, there should be a Kongregate K. Click that.
  4. After the Kongregate page loads, you’ll be able to sign in to your Kongregate account by pressing “Sign In” at the top. Do that.
  5. Once you’re signed in, on the same Kongregate page, there will be a box that says “Get 30 FREE Kreds on” Click the red CLAIM NOW button
  6. Click the upper right X button to trigger the email sending. It will send to the email linked to your Kongregate account, and a receipt will be sent to your Kongregate Inbox. My receipt arrived instantly, and the coupon arrived 6 minutes after clicking the button. Make sure you check your email’s spam folders, as it might be filtered out of your inbox.
  7. Finally, redeem your coupon at the link I provided at the top of this post. You’ll be redirected to your Kongregate profile page with the message “Congratulations on receiving your 30 Free Kreds!” at the top. The Kreds will be redeemed instantly.

If you did all that, and still never got your Kreds, you should contact support again, but provide them with screenshots of all of the following: 1) Raid Brigade on your mobile device saying that you will be sent a code, 2) The Kongregate Receipt Message, 3) The email that contained the Code, and 4) The promotion page with the message “Sorry, you have already redeemed that code. Contact if you need help.” at the top.

If you send them all four screenshots, there should be no doubt that you have completed the free offer. The support team will then check your transaction history to make sure the 30 Kreds were not already redeemed, and if they were not, you should be reimbursed. Hope that helps!

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Topic: Kongregate / Should we make some "chibi" type kongpanions?

That’s like an amiibo-type system, and it’s not necessarily a bad idea.

The only issue I could think of would be that, as far as I know, there’s not really any obligation or contract between the devs and Kong. At any time, game devs could simply leave kong or worse, remove their games completely. Not that many would, but I mean… Mu Complex…

If a game-themed Kongpanion was created, would there have to be some licensing agreement between Kong and the devs? Would the devs still have rights to their character’s image being used? And what would happen if a dispute between the two caused a split? I don’t think Kong can adjust the Kongpanion system easily, else they would have allowed shinifying non-shinies in the past (I believe they said it wasn’t possible with the current system). So any game-themed Kongpanions would be have to be permanent Kong assets, I think.

All that aside, I think it’s a cool idea. Sorta like how Xbox games had achievements in general, but then Awards for extra bling. Not only could they be worked into the standard system or tied to single games, I imagine there could be quests of sorts. “Get 10 badges from any Papa’s game” or “Get two badges from each Epic Battle Fantasy on Kong” or something. If nothing else, it’d be a dedicated reason to get Kongpanions, as FC mentioned.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

I want you to tell me what you expect Kongregate to do, and this is likely what the community and the incompetent admins also want to hear.

I understand. And the admins will hear it from me. I too have spoken up for over a year about the incompetence in running this place. Believe me, I fully intend to get my point to them.

But LouWeed called me an argument addict because every time I voice my ideas and opinions, someone decides to play puppet-admin and shoot them down. Then I get dragged through the tangential flame war until I look like a raving madman. I’m tired of that. And this is an opportunity for me to make the best case I possibly can, with an issue the admins can’t simply ignore. I won’t risk that chance just because someone decides they know better than me and the admins alike.

At the risk of derailing yet again… There was also a time I decided to take on a personal project, 100% my own, and I was going to dedicate a lot of time to it. I didn’t want help or validation or anything like that. All I wanted to do was correct an issue that I personally felt would help Kongregate and the community. And the response I got when I spoke up about it?

I know that the system is just as flawed as you say it is, but you should not care so much about it. It’s a waste of time. You better use the time you have by investing it in yourself, instead of in some gaming website you will never be able to fully control.

All I wanted to do was help, and I when I revealed the half finished project, I was told it was a waste of time, that I shouldn’t care, and that no one else cared. Despite knowing the system was flawed and needed help, not only was no one even trying to fix it, I was told I shouldn’t try either. I can’t really describe how that felt, but I abandoned the project immediately. And I refuse to let that happen here.

So yes. I apologize, but I can’t talk to anyone but those with the power to make the change. This isn’t the first CP attack, as StOtS and others have mentioned. Yet I haven’t seen any change come from past ones. So I’d like to take a shot at it, in my own way. I intend to let this thread be for discussion until Monday when I go to the admins directly, when I know they’ll be around.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Originally posted by LouWeed:

why are you guys feeding the argument addict

thread started good, but got boring 3/5

Originally posted by StOtS:

suggestion: remove everyone’s ability to post in the forums

Perfect examples of why nothing ever gets done around here. When people like you two belittle any effort to change things for the better, 1) people stop attempting and 2) the admins stop caring. And isn’t that what I said I didn’t understand? Congratulations, you’re a very large part of the problem. And the main reason I can’t be public about my actual proposals.

If you have nothing more constructive to add, stay out of my way. I can guarantee I won’t be arguing with you because, and I know this’ll be a huge shock to you, I actually DON’T need your validation to make a good point.

EDIT: “Argument addict?” Really? I mentioned two REAL argument addicts who both have over 10k posts due to them turning EVERY thread into an argument, and you throw that at ME? Please.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Originally posted by DarkRainyKnight:

…what exactly do you want them to do here?

So of course, that was going to be asked eventually. But I’d rather not have my thoughts picked apart by people who dislike me already. By people who reply with “ok lol” when I’ve asked a question they can’t answer. That would lead to a circular conversation and a one-sided fight that just irritates everyone involved. So while I have an answer constructed, I’m not saying it here.

Ideally I was hoping an admin would have replied by now, but seeing as that is unlikely… I’ll take this straight to them when the thread is finished. For now, the only thing I am attempting to gain is a unified mindset that this issue is not a minor one. If you’ll agree that my points aren’t wrong, or at the very least, that the admins aren’t putting any effort to creating a TRUE solution, then I can approach them with possible fixes. I already plan to do so, but it’d be a much stronger case if others agree that there’s an issue to be fixed.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

I agree with everything you said. I know that under these systems, there is no solution. And obviously the admins can’t leave it up – doing so makes the site a liability and they risk a lot more than some outraged parents. I’ve said all that already.

However… Why is everyone “okay” with that? Why was this thread made in jest of that fact? What is with the complacency toward one of the worst internet forum offenses you could possibly make???

Especially, especially since that same punishment is used on far lesser offenders? Like, if I was on permaban status, for whatever minor reason; maybe I insulted an admin too much, or got too deep in a fight, who cares… If I was permabanned for something small and I saw someone laughing their butt off while spamming child porn and getting away with it without consequence, I’d be furious! My tiny offense put me on the same level as them. They break IRL laws and get to laugh about it! While the Kong admins do… NOTHING! Nothing more than they do towards me: They remove my posts and the CP pictures. They ban both our accounts when they see them and move on. Hell, from the CP spammer’s perspective, I’m taking being permabanned the wrong way! I can keep trying to play nice and hope I don’t lose another account… Or I can just go all out and piss everyone off, free of charge. Which sounds more appealing to someone who is already at the bottom?

This is where I wanted this conversation to go. Why is this messed up, garbage system getting defended at all?? Why was this one of Mafefe’s threads – this is about as serious as issues get! This system has but one result: More users like Amane. And even if everyone thinks themselves above Amane’s level, and even if no one ever gets permabanned ever again… Amane still exists. This isn’t going to stop. And the admins won’t do anything about it. The frikkin ADMINS are using the “report/mute/ignore” method!!!! Are you serious?! They’re just hiding from the trolls and hoping they’ll stop! They are running from a problem that, using words straight from tricky, “rivals ‘the entire site is broken’ in terms of seriousness.” The only people with the power to fix this are running instead of actually figuring out a fix. It’s absolutely unbelievable.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Originally posted by Starsets:

Why are you so salty about OT getting special treatment when you don’t even visit there. Doesn’t even effect you.

I’m glad you admit that it gets special treatment, but

Originally posted by Lloyd_Majere:
I’m not going to continue arguing about my opinion about OT. I can’t convince the privileged of their privilege, no matter how clear it is. So let’s get back to the matter at hand:

I mentioned OT as a side comment about where blame lies, and I had intended it to tie in to my greater point about rule enforcement in general. I’ve said enough about that for now.
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

To even compare posting CP to the rest of the threads you listed is like saying first degree murder is the same as vandalism.

I did not do that. I listed those threads to say “OT follows a different set of rules” in response to StOtS’s comments about that. That particular part had nothing to do with the CP posting.

What I DID say was “being banned for a little over-the-top trolling and being banned for spamming child pornography are treated identically by the admins.” By your own comparison, you are agreeing with me. Why is CP (comparatively murder) being handled the same way as some slight trolling (comparatively vandalism)? You did mean that as a hyperbole, right? So we’re on the same page that there’s a big difference – don’t you agree the punishment should fit the crime?

For the forums, the mods and admins are really important to have since they are the only ones that can make the posts and clutter go away.

This says a lot more than you think it does about how you view the duties of the moderators and admins. You basically called them janitors who clean up clutter, and not rule enforcers who keep the peace. I would have said “For the forums, the mods and admins are really important to uphold the rules,” which you failed to mention. Whether or not you meant that, your phrasing subliminally implies it.
EDIT: To put your words to an example: Room Mods are worthless to you, because any user can use the mute button to “make the posts and clutter go away.” See how you ignored the rest of the utility a Room Mod provides?

OT still has line though, don’t be fooled by that.

That’s my point – There is no “still has a line”. Literally there’s not. OT’s line is the same as every other location’s line: the behavior guidelines tricky links to in the OT Guidelines sticky. PERIOD. There should be no difference in OT just for OT’s sake. OT shouldn’t get special permission to ignore the rules. That’s not how rules work. But again, I’m not going to continue arguing about my opinion about OT. I can’t convince the privileged of their privilege, no matter how clear it is. So let’s get back to the matter at hand:

Someone please tell me why child porn spam gets treated the same as common trolling in terms of punishment. Someone defend that for me. If I need to give examples I will. If it’s indefensible, then we can go from there.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Originally posted by StOtS:

The only point you’ve made is that you don’t understand OT.

Answer my questions in the last two paragraphs, or you haven’t made one at all.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

StOtS, apparently you don’t know me that well if you think I’d flag your post. I have never used the flag function in one of my debates. I don’t kiss up to the mods either. You also think that just because I don’t visit OT means I don’t know who Amane is, or what kinds of threads go on there… Sorry to burst that bubble, but I’m fairly well-versed about OT, and I’m not affected by your “stop being a white knight PoS” rant.

First, I want to make something CRYSTAL clear. In TWO places, Kongregate says “OT posts must adhere to the same behavior guidelines as everywhere else.” Yes, THOSE behavior guidelines are the SAME “rules” you claim OT has. So, lemme just glance at OT for just a brief second. I’m pretty sure the first page will suffice..

Oh, wow, the first thread to catch my eye, “Tom Cruise Is An Ugly Bitch [Harassment Thread]” is a discussion thread made by… YOU! Imagine that. That breaks how many rules, right off the bat? But I’m sure it won’t be moderated at all. It’s been up for an hour as is. Although I’m fairly certain you made that for me respond to, so let me see what else I can find.

“worst game of the year every year” thread has another typical Mikkmar and Gabidou fight. Most people in OT consider that “derailing spam” but I hardly (if ever) see it moderated. If it were policed, poor Gabi would have lost his account by now. (Please don’t come here, I apologize for using you as an example.)

“Fuck the world and all her inhabitants!” Ah, yes. Classy thread. Didn’t know you could say Fuck and Cunt repeatedly in a PG-13 cursing environment. Didn’t you say “excessive language is removed” ??? But that’s been up for five hours now! Clearly it’s a-ok.

“I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter " is clearly just a copy/pasta spam thread. I’d say more but that’s literally all it is.

I also noticed that briefly, the title of a sticky thread was changed to “stots is a fat bitch masterthread”. Glad to know that behavior is totally normal and expected too.

Alright, I think I’ve made my point. Now back to you. I said people wouldn’t agree with me and I’m not saying you should. But I am saying that “OT has rules and they are enforced” is NOT an accurate claim. Because OT’s “rules” are NOT the rules it claims to follow. OT has been given the freedom to ignore Kongregate’s established rules. Every one of those behavior guidelines is allowed to be broken in OT, because all its users and mods think it’s acceptable. You make up your own rules, which result in 0 bans, a few removed posts, and pure anarchy that drives everyone who isn’t a regular away. “Most people don’t understand OT or its users?” Don’t make me laugh, you all aren’t special snowflakes!! This is Kongregate. Kongregate has rules. You are all random internet users who agreed to abide by those rules. Get over yourselves, or find someplace else to be special. (Or not, because you can freely get away with it here.)

But no, I don’t blame you. And I agree that stricter enforcement would cause you all to riot, because you’re all so short-sighted and freedom-loving you don’t see how that’s a solution to the problems you cause. I blame those who spoiled you, who gave you that freedom, and who don’t have the balls to take it away when things went [and go] too far.

Here’s the question you should really answer: Everyone who has an account has agreed to abide by Kongregate’s rules. Period. If one day, those rules started being enforced, is it really appropriate to riot? You already agreed to them! And then you just got to enjoy your period of time when they weren’t enforced. The fact that you think it’s acceptable to rebel against Kongregate admins doing their job, the same job you accepted them doing, says a hell of a lot about OTers (especially Amane) in general.

Lastly, I’m going to be stubborn about this issue, but this isn’t the time for Lloyd’s opinions of OT. My posts were more about how Kongregate handles rule breaking in general. About how being banned for a little over-the-top trolling and being banned for spamming child pornography (literally illegal in every state!!!) are treated identically by the admins. If you think that’s fair, you’re on Amane’s side. That’s part of why he’s doing it. However, if you think something should be done about that… congrats! You agree with me that Kongregate’s admins are in the wrong here. That’s all I’m trying to get across.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Originally posted by Azgodeth:

you arnt out there stopping terrorism, so that must mean you support it

False equivalence: Terrorism isn’t happening to your knowledge, under your jurisdiction and authority, where you are the only one with the ability to stop it. If that were the case, and you let it happen anyway, then yes you’d be supporting it as an accessory to a crime.

And while Kongregate isn’t “letting it happen” per se, they aren’t taking it any more or less seriously than any other infraction. At least not through their actions. By law, they are required to say

In truth, child pornography rivals “the entire site is broken” in terms of seriousness for us. We’re finding and removing any posts like that as quickly as we can, and the posting account is always permanently banned. If people find inappropriate posts of that nature, please flag them and we’ll be there asap.

Because should this site be found guilty of child porn trafficking, the entire site gets shut down immediately, no questions asked. So of course they’re going to be strict on it, but the reality is there won’t be any changes made to prevent this from happening again, and no real punishment given to the offenders. So can you really say they are taking it seriously?

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate supports child pornography????

Normally I’m all on board with the “Kongregate’s ban system / rule enforcement is garbage” stuff, and don’t get me wrong: I totally think it’s completely broken.

But these complaints, while insanely serious and needs to be locked down ASAP, are the same as the threads that say “[user] is spamming, make them stop!” Literally, if you turn this thread to a constructive one, you’ll just go along the same path:

  1. Banning the user(s) spamming the porn won’t stop them.
  2. Adding in account verification won’t stop them.
  3. IP banning them won’t stop them.
  4. The moderators don’t have authority or ability to stop them, so additional mods can’t stop them.
  5. The only true solutions would involve an entire recoding of the forum software, which Kongregate won’t do.
  6. Thus, there is no solution.
  7. Thus, flag, report, mute/ignore, and move on.

Why does that argument not work here? I mean, that’s basically what EVERY rule violation boils down to, no? That’s how every talk about Kongregate’s moderation goes, no? I don’t see what pushing the blame here on Kongregate’s admins would truly accomplish.

If anything? I’d put the blame on letting the forum users in Off-Topic run so rampant. That’s an unpopular opinion, and I don’t expect people to agree. But OT is the forum with the most traffic and the least rule enforcing. This is just a case of a community given an inch and someone taking a mile. The lax rule enforcement turns into greater rule breaking, the lack of ban enforcement turns into a consequence-free environment. The freedom OTers take for granted has allowed this, and nothing else is to blame.

That being said…. Because these offenses take place in the same location, situation, and context… yeah. I’d say someone spamming child pornography is on par with the spambots, or with another user constantly cursing, etc. It’ll all be handled the same way, and nothing anyone says will change that. So shockingly, I agree with this thread’s title: If Kongregate doesn’t enforce their “PG-13 Rating,” and therefore endorses all the violence, language, sexual conduct, and everything else… then yeah. I’d say they endorse this action too.

TL;DR: Kongregate doesn’t “support child pornography,” but they are apathetic about it to the same level of common trolling found in OT. And there’s very little difference between the two.

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Topic: Kongregate / So how many have gotten all shinys now ?

Originally posted by BlancoDiablo:
Originally posted by Lloyd_Majere:

2100 * .7 = 1470, or a drop of 630.

Pretty close.

Don’t say that, I’d lose my bet! Well, there’s four more weeks for people to lose, hrgg! >w>

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Topic: Kongregate / Playing favorites

Have I said something that offends you? Have we even spoken before? Did I ask for your opinion of me, someone you can’t possibly know? Or are you two bored and trying to incite me? Meh.

Let me give a better, final answer. If you’re asking me “are there corrupt mods” naturally I’m not naive enough to say no. But one, that wasn’t the question I answered and two, you weren’t the one to ask it. My response was constructed from my experiences and beliefs (yes, beliefs, arguing semantics instead of intent is childish and annoying) and directed toward KaisarDragon. It would have absolutely been different if I were directing it at you two. But, as the conversation was between myself and OP, I stick to my original phrasing and implications, for reasons my own. And I don’t believe either of us asked for you two’s input on my words.

I wasn’t aware there was condescension that surpassed mine on these forums, but I could barely get through your post. Sorry, but I’d rather not entertain this any longer. I’m tired of having to defend myself in every thread as is. Dragging it out would be a waste of my time, especially here. Perhaps another place and time, and with a bit less haughty arrogance.

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Topic: Kongregate / Found outside the office: Walter?

Originally posted by BrainpanSonata:

And how long has rollerCROWster been stalking you guys?

Apparently this one of his spies got caught. Was the weak link, I guess.