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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by antman4990:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:

Please, continue. I only wish you could enjoy the irony of this with me.

why is what i’ve said wrong? or will you just continue with the sophmoric jibes?

you’re basing everything off of conspiricy theories rather than fact

that’s not true. it’s not a “theory”. tell me point by point why anything i said is wrong. you can’t

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by Rocketcone:

Please, continue. I only wish you could enjoy the irony of this with me.

why is what i’ve said wrong? or will you just continue with the sophmoric jibes?

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

Okay but where are the facts?

WOW…just wow. how stupid are the people here? those are verified facts.

More like verified bunk.
I know. WOW, right? I feel the same way when people believe in this shit.

and why isn’t it true? do you believe global warming is true too? do you believe that barack obama is american? you’re basing your opinion on nothing. go look up the socialist health care bill,go google barry soetoro, GO GOOGLE AL QAEDA RUN BY PENTAGON

ROFL I base my opinions off of logic and reason, not conspiratorial thinking.
For example, just because I will find results on google doesn’t mean it is true. You can find almost anything if you type it into google. Anybody can post anything on the internet, from valid facts and information to delusional dribble. You seem to have fallen victim to the latter.

are you dumb or ignorant? there’s a differnce between verified documents and sources and BS on youtube/google. you sound like a typical mindless drone,arguing about topics you have no knowledge about

That was beautiful, that summed you up in a nutshell. That brought a tear to my eye. sniff :’)

no actually you are the very definition of stupid. you hold opinions based on nothing. you have no knowledge of anything you’re claiming to be false. tell me why anything i said is wrong

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Obama american?

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

Fluoride is poison cranks + Birther hoax + General lack of anything resembling a credible argument = /tinfoil hat

go watch the Obama Deception. it is all credible arguments,sorry you can’t wrap your mind around the truth. but tell me WHY ARENT THOSE CREDIBLE POINTS

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/orlytaitzletter24feb09.shtml

here ya go people, barack obama is a fraud

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

Okay but where are the facts?

WOW…just wow. how stupid are the people here? those are verified facts.

More like verified bunk.
I know. WOW, right? I feel the same way when people believe in this shit.

and why isn’t it true? do you believe global warming is true too? do you believe that barack obama is american? you’re basing your opinion on nothing. go look up the socialist health care bill,go google barry soetoro, GO GOOGLE AL QAEDA RUN BY PENTAGON

ROFL I base my opinions off of logic and reason, not conspiratorial thinking.
For example, just because I will find results on google doesn’t mean it is true. You can find almost anything if you type it into google. Anybody can post anything on the internet, from valid facts and information to delusional dribble. You seem to have fallen victim to the latter.

are you dumb or ignorant? there’s a differnce between verified documents and sources and BS on youtube/google. you sound like a typical mindless drone,arguing about topics you have no knowledge about

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by antman4990:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

Okay but where are the facts?

WOW…just wow. how stupid are the people here? those are verified facts.

More like verified bunk.
I know. WOW, right? I feel the same way when people believe in this shit.

and why isn’t it true? do you believe global warming is true too? do you believe that barack obama is american? you’re basing your opinion on nothing. go look up the socialist health care bill,go google barry soetoro, GO GOOGLE AL QAEDA RUN BY PENTAGON

these are all conspiracy theories, thats not verification

umm what the hell are you talking about? google anything here it’s proven fact

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Obama american?

is obama american? the bad thing is he’s not american…barack hussein obama isn’t even his name.

take a look at this link
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/orlytaitzletter24feb09.shtml
his name is barry soetoro. he isn’t american. researchers and others have looked at his records and proven this.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

Okay but where are the facts?

WOW…just wow. how stupid are the people here? those are verified facts.

More like verified bunk.
I know. WOW, right? I feel the same way when people believe in this shit.

and why isn’t it true? do you believe global warming is true too? do you believe that barack obama is american? you’re basing your opinion on nothing. go look up the socialist health care bill,go google barry soetoro, GO GOOGLE AL QAEDA RUN BY PENTAGON

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by Rocketcone:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

Okay but where are the facts?

WOW…just wow. how stupid are the people here? those are verified facts.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

instead of targeting the facts

Provide some actual facts and then I’ll think about targeting them. :)

barack obama’s name is barry soetoro
he isn’t american,he’s had lawyers use up millions of dollars keeping his records sealed.
the link i provided earlier details 67 pages of his brainwashing techniques.
he passed a health care bill stating you must get health insurance or be thrown in jail for 5 years/15,000 dollar fine.
he declared on orders from the UN,an unconstitutional war on libya,which has been a complete lie from the beginning.
he extended the patriot act.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by FuzzyBacon:

and you wanna say what i’m saying is propaganda?

Yes? Because you seriously just vomited Glenn Beck all over the forums.

glenn beck is a mainstream shill. good job doing an ad hominem instead of targeting the facts

 
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Topic: Off-topic / BARACK OBAMA USES BRAINWASHING

Originally posted by SnoozerBear:

It’s called “Propaganda” and it’s reason why our views on things like morality has changed so much in so few years. Seriously. Please tell us something we don’t know.

“propaganda” lol alright buddy. that’s a 67 page document on the brainwashing techniques

Obama aka barry soetoro uses,he has no birth certificate,
he declared unconstitutional wars,
he extended the patriot act,
he passed a health care bill where if you dont buy healthcare you’re fined 15,000 dollars and put in jail for five years,
and you wanna say what i’m saying is propaganda?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

ORIDE & the PINEAL GLAND (Click for more detail)
In the 1990s, it was discovered that the pineal gland is a major site of fluoride accumulation within the body – with higher concentrations of fluoride than either teeth or bone.

Subsequent animal studies indicate that the accumulation of fluoride in the pineal gland can reduce the gland’s synthesis of melatonin, a hormone that helps regulate the onset of puberty. Fluoride-treated animals were found to have reduced levels of circulating melatonin and an earlier onset of puberty than untreated animals. The scientist who conducted the research concluded:

“The safety of the use of fluorides ultimately rests on the assumption that the developing enamel organ is most sensitive to the toxic effects of fluoride. The results from this study suggest that the pinealocytes may be as susceptible to fluoride as the developing enamel organ” (Luke 1997).

The fact that fluoride’s impact on the pineal gland was never studied, or even considered, before the 1990s, highlights a major gap in knowledge underpinning current policies on fluoride and health.

According to the US National Research Council, "any agent that affects pineal function could affect human health in a variety of ways, including effects on sexual maturation, calcium metabolism, parathyroid function, postmenopausal osteoporosis, cancer, and psychiatric disease.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

FLUORIDE & the BRAIN (Click for more detail)

Fluoride’s ability to damage the brain represents one of the most active areas of research on fluoride toxicity today.

Concern about fluoride’s impact on the brain has been fueled by 18 human studies (from China, Mexico, India, and Iran) reporting IQ deficits among children exposed to excess fluoride, by 4 human studies indicating that fluoride can enter, and damage, the fetal brain; and by a growing number of animal studies finding damage to brain tissue (at levels as low as 1 ppm) and impairment of learning and memory among fluoride-treated groups.

According to the US National Research Council, “it is apparent that fluorides have the ability to interfere with the functions of the brain.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

FLUORIDE & the KIDNEYS (Click for more detail)
The kidneys play a vital role in preventing the build-up of excessive fluoride in the body. Among healthy individuals, the kidneys excrete approximately 50% of the daily fluoride intake. However, among individuals with kidney disease, the kidneys’ ability to excrete becomes markedly impaired, resulting in a build-up of fluoride within the body.

It is well recognized that individuals with kidney disease have a heightened susceptibility to the cumulative toxic effects of fluoride.

Of particular concern is the potential for fluoride, when accumulated in the skeletal system, to cause, or exacerbate, renal osteodystrophy – a bone disease commonly found among people with advanced kidney disease.

In addition, fluoride has been definitively shown to poison kidney function at high doses over short-term exposures in both animals and humans. The impact of low doses of fluoride, given over long periods of time, has been inadequately studied. A recent animal study, conducted by scientists at the US Environmental Protection Agency (Varner 1998), reported that exposure to just 1 ppm fluoride caused kidney damage in rats if they drank the water for an extended period of time, while a new study from China found an increased rate of kidney disease among humans consuming more than 2 ppm (Liu 2005). Hence, the adverse effects to kidney function that fluoride causes at high doses over short periods of time, may also be replicated with small doses if consumed over long periods of time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

FLUORIDE & ALLERGY/HYPERSENSITIVITY (Click for more detail)
As acknowledged by the Physicians’ Desk Reference, some individuals are allergic/hypersensitive to fluoride. The largest, government-funded, clinical trial found that 1% of individuals exposed to 1 mg/day of fluoride exhibited allergic/hypersensitive reactions, including skin reactions, gastric distress, and headache.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

FLOURIDE DAMAGES TEETH

FLUORIDE & DENTAL FLUOROSIS (Click for more detail)
Excessive ingestion of fluoride during the early childhood years can damage the tooth-forming cells, leading to a defect in the enamel known as dental fluorosis.

Teeth impacted by fluorosis have visible discoloration, ranging from white spots to brown and black stains.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, 32% of American children now have some form of dental fluorosis, with 2 to 4% of children having the moderate to severe stages (CDC 2005).

According to Dr. Hardy Limeback, Head of Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, "it is illogical to assume that tooth enamel is the only tissue affected by low daily doses of fluoride ingestion.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

ACCUTE FLOURIDE OVERDOSE

FLUORIDE ACCIDENTS & POISONINGS (Click for more detail)

Fluoride, the active ingredient in many pesticides and rodenticides, is a powerful poison – more acutely poisonous than lead. Because of this, accidental over-ingestion of fluoride can cause serious toxic symptoms.

Each year there are thousands of reports to Poison Control centers in the United States related to excessive ingestion of fluoride toothpastes, mouthrinses, and supplements.

Water fluoridation accidents, resulting in excess levels of fluoride in water, have been one of the sources of acute fluoride poisoning.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride is poison

Fluoride: An Invisible Killer [En Espanol] by Floyd Maxwell, BASc Author of the International Anti-Fluoridation Database * * * * * * * * * "We would not purposely add arsenic to the water supply. And we would not purposely add lead. But we add fluoride. The fact is that fluoride is more toxic than lead and just slightly less toxic than arsenic." (source) * * * * * * * * * "The federal maximum contaminant level (MEL) for lead is 15 parts per billion (ppb), 5 ppb for arsenic and 4000 ppb for fluoride." (source) * * * * * * * * * 1952: The Delaney Committee 82nd Congress Hearings on Fluoride revealed that there was no actual scientific basis for the fluoridation of water supplies in the prevention of tooth decay. The recommendation of the Committee was that more research be done, before proceeding with this national mass medication. Their recommendation was totally ignored. * * * * * * * * * A common obstacle one runs into when trying to inform others of the dangers of a product is being told you are not an "expert". This can, however, be used to one's advantage if one happens to find an "expert" who verifies your own views on the benefits of natural versus chemical approaches to health. My background is that of a Chemical Engineer, having earned my B.A.Sc. from the University of British Columbia in 1984. When it comes to chemistry I can say that I am an "expert" in this area due to studying it full time for over 10 years. Luckily I also retained the ability to think for myself... * * * * * * * * * Built on Basics Chemistry is built on basic principles. For example, "like dissolves like" means that salt (a polar molecule) dissolves in water (highly polar) but does not dissolve in oil (non polar). In studying the elements (see the Periodic Table of the Elements graphic above), application of just a few basic principles can lead to a grouping of families of elements based on their similar chemical properties. As one goes down the Table, the size of elements increases while the reactivity decreases. The second-to-last column of the Periodic Table are the halides, and start with F (Fluoride), then Cl (Chlorine), Br (Bromine), I (Iodine) and As (Astatine). Applying the reactivity rule one can accurately say that Fluorine is more reactive than Chlorine, that is more reactive than Bromine, that is more reactive than Iodine. This reactivity rule also holds true for molecules/compounds (composed of two or more atoms that may be the same element or different ones) provided that one atom remains the same and only the halide changes. Thus, we can infer that HF is more reactive than HCl. HCl (Hydro Chloric acid) was the strongest acid we used in school. But HF is so reactive, and so deadly that it was never seen or used in any of the 10 years of chemistry demonstrations and labs I took part in. Allen Hoffmann (micron99@pacbell.net), a former Scientific Glassblower, was forced to be in contact with HF as part of his work (and is now seeking Worker's Compensation for the damage it did to his body) notes that: HF can't be smelled until 24ppm but has an IDLH (Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health) concentration level of 30ppm. In other words, by the time you smell it, your life is danger! -- hence the title of this article: "Fluoride: An Invisible Killer". * * * * * * * * * How strong, and prevalent, are fluorine-containing compounds? HF is one of the strongest acids in the world. So strong it can etch glass (in fact, this is a common test for the presence of fluoride), making storage of this compound rather difficult! Not to mention the danger in handling it! Searching for "hydrofluoric acid" on Google produced about 12,000 web pages, evenly divided between typical chemical data sheets [with stringent handling procedures!] and health warning pages! In fact, Fluorine is the most reactive of all the elements (elemental Fluoride is never found by itself in nature) and it was only the relatively recent laboratory-induced joining of Fluoride to Xenon, one of the previously "inert" elements (those in the right-most column in the picture above) that caused this group of elements to be renamed "noble" instead. This photograph shows what the fluorine added to Calgary, Alberta's drinking water has done to a thick and "corrosion resistant" steel water supply valve. Fluoride is used extensively in computer chip and Aluminum and steel manufacture, causing a staggering amount of environmental damage. In fact, in May, 2000, 3M Corporation announced it was discontinuing a whole family of fluorinated compounds, including Scotchgard, due to their incredible destructiveness to the environment. Fluoridated compounds are also extremely effective in killing bugs. The wholely predictable side effect of spraying crops with fluoridated pesticides is that fluoride remains on the produce, making fluoride-caused food contamination a very real concern and a good reason, by itself, to consider eating only organic food. Beverage drinkers are not safe either. Fluorine is also found in mind-affecting drugs like Prozac and the "date rape" drug Rohypnol. Click here for a more complete list of drugs containing fluorine. * * * * * * * * * What are "Free Radicals"? Perhaps some of you have heard of "free radicals" in recent years. The natural health industry has worked on finding compounds that can absorb, prevent the formation of or ameliorate the consequences of "free radicals". But what are they? Free radicals are what you get when you break a molecule into unstable pieces. This is achieved by subjecting an otherwise stable molecule to a jolt of energy of some sort (sunlight, heat, flame, etc.). Thus, too much sunlight can cause the formation of free radicals, as can heat or partial combustion (ie. smoke). We are all already aware of the damaging effects of the sun. And we are increasingly aware of the harmful effects of smoke. But did we know that "free radicals" are one of the biggest and most dangerous by-products of smoking? Has anyone told us this? Free radicals are so destructive because they are unstable and extremely reactive. So reactive, in fact, that they will react with almost anything, and in doing so will alter what they reactive -- in plain terms, healthy tissue becomes unhealthy tissue due to the action of free radicals. It's that simple. Many of us are already aware of something similar to this regarding the Chlorine that is sometimes added to municipal water supplies -- that it forms families of compounds in the water. Well, Fluorine is much more reactive than Chlorine, so one can only imagine the range of deadly compounds it is capable of creating when it is added to drinking water. I just want to emphasize that, chemically, free radicals are much worse than most cancer causing compounds because free radicals can do "whatever they want" when they contact your body. They can alter virtually anything they contact -- cells, blood vessels, organs, etc. * * * * * * * * * Recapping: Chlorine is known to form numerous compounds after it is added to municipal water supplies. Fluorine is much more reactive than Chlorine. * * * * * * * * * So, what happens when you add F to municipal water? It turns out that there are vast ramifications from adding F, and va$t rea$on$ for doing it. In essence, the fertilizer, aluminum and steel industries produce, in the process, massive quantities of fluoride that used to be industrial waste. To save large amounts of money, they came up with the idea of dumping this industrial waste into drinking water. Now, instead of having to pay to have the fluoride waste hauled away, they are paid to poison us. Here are just a few of the numerous web links that I encourage you to explore: Ask the government for your 1992 Fluoridation Census report http://www.cdc.gov/ The Fluoridation Fiasco: Poison In Your Water: http://rense.com/health/fluoride1.htm The Fluoride Stop: http://bruha.com/pfpc/ NoFluoride.com http://www.nofluoride.com/ Why EPA's Headquarters Union Of Scientists Opposes Fluoridation http://www.fluoridation.com/epa2.htm Fluoride Pollution: An Overview http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-pollution.htm * * * * * * * * * Just Think It's International Anti-Fluoridation Database: http://www.just-think-it.com/the-f-db.htm 150+ facts, horror stories and cover-ups about Fluoride http://www.just-think-it.com/f-facts.htm * * * * * * * * * Call to ACTION Assuming that Fluoride is "bad", how should we minimize or eliminate the problem? (1) Lobby Quite simply, most of you are being poisoned and you should be very concerned about this and should tell your official representatives of your concern. And you should not stop until they stop adding it. Find articles about Fluoride. Print them. Fax them. Send letters to local newspapers. Find out if your community is being poisoned and if it is and we don't already know about it, tell us so we can tell other people in your community. Do something. Or suffer... (2) Avoid it Note that I did not say "Remove it" because this is not possible, contrary to what countless manufacturers are claiming. The key reasons why not: (1) Fluorine's extreme reactiveness, causing it to "cling" more tightly to water than anything I am aware of, and (2) the size of the F atom. We have already dealt with one aspect of the Fluorine atom's size -- that it makes the atom extremely reactive. The second aspect of Fluorine can be revealed by comparing the weight of a "mole" (602,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms) of F to that of a mole of H2O (water). [To confirm the calculation, refer to the Periodic Table of the Elements graphic above.] F weighs 19 grams per mole (g/M), H2O weighs 18 g/M. Summoning another well known rule of chemistry, that the size of a molecule/atom is directly related to its molecular weight and we can infer that these two molecules are almost identical in size. Ineffectiveness of Reverse Osmosis units Reverse Osmosis [RO] manufacturers' claim they can remove fluoride. Don't believe their claim$. RO units work on the same principle as our kidneys. Think of a mesh, like the mosquito netting on your screen door. The mesh lets in air, but not mosquitos, because air molecules are smaller than mosquitos. An RO unit is thus great for removing "heavy metals" like Pb (Lead), Hg (Mercury) and Cd (Cadmium), as well as Cl- family compounds like PCBs and PCP's (Poly Chlorinated Phenyls and BiPhenyls) because these are all large molecules relative to the size of H2O. In fact, even Cl (the smallest of these) is relative large (molecular weight of 35 g/M) and so if the RO unit is new and it is well made (ie. with precision tolerances on the RO membrane) it might even filter out some of the Cl. Note the "ifs" and conditions in the last sentence. So, an RO unit will not filter out F atoms, as F atoms are too similar in size to H2O molecules. Equally Ineffective Distillation units Distillation units will also not work because similar sized polar molecules have similar boiling and freezing points. Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit and FH boils at 203 to 239 degress Fahrenheit. So, when your distillation unit has warmed up the water to 212 degrees Fahrenheit, and the water starts to boil off (evaporate), *so* does the Fluoride! It stays right with the water vapor, and gets condensed back into liquid at the end of the process. So, don't let anyone tell you otherwise and don't trust those that do. (3) Don't trust your water Unlike Chlorine, Fluoride is colorless, odorless and tasteless so you have almost no way of knowing if it is present in the water you are drinking or using. Even bathing or showering in fluoridated water will cause you to absorb an unhealthy amount of it through your skin. Fruit juices often have very high concentrations of Fluorine, due to the use of Fluorine in pesticides. Pop and other packaged beverages are also common and substantial sources of Fluorine, not only because of the fluoridated water but because of fluoride-laced ingredients, and the concentration of same during the manufacturing process. Bottled water can be an option, but choose carefully. Mineral Waters of the World provides a free and very detailed analysis of the composition of over 600 types of bottled water available throughout the world. (4) Don't trust the experts Before you even listen to someone's opinion about Fluoride, figure out what they have to gain by their opinion. RO manufacturers would see sales "dry up" if they admitted that their units can not remove it. They will thus never admit it, and will try to "poison" our efforts to give people unbiased information. Fluoride producers (the multi-billion dollar aluminum, fertilizer and steel industries) have everything to lose and nothing to gain by admitting that Fluoride is even remotely bad for anyone. Ditto toothpaste manufacturers and thus dentists. Yes, dentists have a lot to gain by fluoridation -- dental fluorosis, caused by fluoridation, produces mottled teeth (in advanced stages, fluorosis can turn teeth into black stumps -- see for yourself, or view this 46 page slide show) and this leads people to get very expensive cosmetic dental work performed...by dentists. As to the supposed benefits of drinking fluoridated water, read the results of this study, or this one, or this one, or this: Any tooth decay reducing effect attributable to fluoride occurs by topical mechanisms involving action on tooth surfaces and on oral bacteria that promote dental caries. There is negligible anti-caries benefit from ingested fluoride that does not have actual contact with the surfaces of the teeth. - "Fluoride in Dentistry", 2nd Edition (source) Of course, topical application has its own problems: Children under age 4 swallow 40% or more of the toothpaste they use. - Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water And "public" health officials will definitely *not* want to admit that they have been officially encouraging the largest act of public poisoning the world has ever known. "Anti-Expert" shields up! (5) Hound the water bottling companies For some reason (worth an investigation itself) water bottling companies in the U.S. are not required to report the content of water on the label (and thus most don't). Oh sure, they report how many calories the water has (zero), how much of the recommended daily allowance of protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins xyz (all zero) but there is no mandatory listing of the amounts of such common elements as Ca (Calcium), Na (Sodium), Cl (Chlorine) and (F) Fluoride! Then visit their web sites. I did this for the largest bottlers in the Phoenix area and learned exactly nothing about the content of the water they are selling. I also learned that many are owned by larger companies, such as Perrier. And that they have "zero point zero" (ie. no) interest in communicating with the people who buy their product. On the Perrier site there was no way to contact them. No forms to fill out, no email addresses to use and, when I used my Internet knowledge to send to standard email addresses that every domain usually has I still got exactly zero response. Why?! Think about it... I finally went with Sedona Springs because they told me the (low and naturally occuring) Fluoride content of their spring water. [Free plug: Sedona Springs, 602-254-0000, home or office delivery, sport bottles, half or full size jugs for your/rented water cooler...and "6 gallons for the price of 5"] We encourage everyone to adopt this approach as well. Check the chemical analysis of your local water bottlers online at Mineral Waters of the World. If some or all of your local brands are not on the list, try to contact your local bottlers/sellers. Ask them for a chemical analysis of their water, and especially the fluoride content. If you should manage to obtain this information, give it to Mineral Waters of the World and they will update their database. Free plug for the good guys Australians can choose "NOBLE'S ULTRA PURE WATER" with zero fluoride. Above all, only trust (ie. drink the water of) bottlers who tells you the Fluoride concentration of their water. A guideline is that city water is polluted with 1 part per million (ppm) of F, and bottled water can have this much or even more! When I visited Toronto some time back I found only one brand (of perhaps 5 or 10) that had very low F. Every one of the other brands had "municipal" levels of Fluoride in their bottled water. Incredible! Bottled water with the lowest F content that I have seen is around 0.08 ppm -- 12 times less than in the municipal water supplies, and "naturally occurring" of course. Naturally occurring fluoride is less harmful because the fluoride has already bonded (securely) with calcium. A well-bonded atom is a less reactive atom. Be cautious, if not downright skeptical of bottled water that says things like "trace", and be only slightly more reassured by the word "undetectable". These days scientific equipment can measure parts per *trillion* and better, so parts per million measurements are trivially easy to make by comparison. If they say they "can't" measure it, what else are they incapable of doing? Telling the truth? (6) To repeat... Send us what you have learned. Tell us what happened when you tried to find out what your municipality is doing to your water. And what they told you about their chemical additions: concentrations, controls, reasons, etc. We are building an International Anti-Fluoridation Database movement and we need your help. Still unconvinced? Check out these 150+ fluoride facts! Our children thank you. For your action. Sincerely, Floyd Maxwell Contact: floyd@just-think-it.com This article can be found at: http://www.just-think-it.com/no-f.htm And in plain ASCII text (Microsoft Word-compatible) here: http://www.just-think-it.com/no-f.doc * * * * * * * * * NOTES: [1] Dr. John Yiamouyiannis, "Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products", Fifth Ed., Williams and Wilkins. Quote at: http://rense.com/health/fluoride1.htm [2] We have collected every fact, horror story and cover-up we can find [150+ of them so far!] and challenge you to read them -- strong medicine! [3] We are building a free International Anti-Fluoridation Database but we need your help in adding to it. We ask everyone reading this to contact their local city officials and find out whether they are adding F, Cl or something else like Chloramine, and to tells us what concentration is being added and what (if any) safety measures are in place to protect Joe/Jane Citizen from catastrophic over-additions. Then send us the information, preferably by email, at this address: E-mail: floyd@just-think-it.com Other writings
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride

Originally posted by Zshadow:
Originally posted by Agentius100:
Originally posted by Zshadow:

You should start by presenting a topic of discussion, then use the videos as supporting evidence. :)

flouride is poison. sorry didnt put that in there

Well, sure, that is why we shouldn’t swallow toothpaste. But putting fluoride in drinking water is not to poison the general population or we would all be dead. The doses are too small. Sort of like sodium, it’s verrry dangerous, but that doesn’t stop you from eating salt now does it? :)

it’s called a soft-kill weapon. flouride is poison and lowers IQ by up to 20 points over time

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride

Originally posted by Laxaria:

I have to take ZShadow’s stance.

If you could please demonstrate the significance and touch on your perspectives and thoughts on the matter which results in some discussion value, then there is something worth discussing. If your mere intention is just to show us these videos, I am compelled to lock the thread.

Fulfilling this requirement means some form of sourcing sources and presenting an argument.

Such as:

flouride is poison,it damages people’s brains

Source?

as i said,don’t comment on this issue without watchin the videos. it’s been proven over and over again flouride is poison.

 

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride

Originally posted by EPR89:

Any intention to turn this into a serious discussion?

yeah. the videos say it all. flouride is poison,it damages people’s brains

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Flouride

Originally posted by Zshadow:

You should start by presenting a topic of discussion, then use the videos as supporting evidence. :)

flouride is poison. sorry didnt put that in there