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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/65484?page=1#posts-1476600'&gt;Vanguarde77&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Censorship sucks.

Now I'm curious as to what it said.  Whatever it was, I assume it was funny because it was removed.

Well, at least The Ministry of Truth is doing it's job.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/65484?page=1#posts-1476600&quot;&gt;Vanguarde77&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Censorship sucks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I&amp;#8217;m curious as to what it said.  Whatever it was, I assume it was funny because it was removed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, at least The Ministry of Truth is doing it&amp;#8217;s job.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Nope, still alive.  My goal in life is to be immortal, so far so good.  I wasn't online so much, busy filling out college aps.  Now I'm back on my desktop (which crashed for the last time!) so now I said fuck you Micro$oft and got Ubuntu :)

And thanks, glad I have fans.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Nope, still alive.  My goal in life is to be immortal, so far so good.  I wasn&amp;#8217;t online so much, busy filling out college aps.  Now I&amp;#8217;m back on my desktop (which crashed for the last time!) so now I said fuck you Micro$oft and got Ubuntu :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thanks, glad I have fans.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>I guess I am a bit spiteful, but I completely hate the idea of god, just the idea, whether there is one or not.


I dislike it so much because god is seen as a &quot;higher&quot; being, a king, a ruler, and by me, a dictator.  The concept of God also introduced the concept of inequality.  By making some [people] higher than others, slavery and other forms of coercion and control gained legitimacy and authority was attained not by voluntary merit, but by such insipid and daft forms of acquisition as inheritance and holiness.  I highly doubt that a higher being would believe in such a barbaric form of society as a monarchy, then again, in those times, that was the only form (coincidence?).  But I digress, what the concept of god did was instil into the minds of people that inequality is a normal occurrence and gave the rulers legitimacy.  At times, most predominately in Egypt, the rulers would claim themselves gods to control the people.  Now however hypocritical the slave-owning elite were, I still find truth in the bleached out (by the Patriot Act) piece of paper where it says &quot;all men are created equal&quot;.  God is obsolete.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;I guess I am a bit spiteful, but I completely hate the idea of god, just the idea, whether there is one or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I dislike it so much because god is seen as a &amp;#8220;higher&amp;#8221; being, a king, a ruler, and by me, a dictator.  The concept of God also introduced the concept of inequality.  By making some [people] higher than others, slavery and other forms of coercion and control gained legitimacy and authority was attained not by voluntary merit, but by such insipid and daft forms of acquisition as inheritance and holiness.  I highly doubt that a higher being would believe in such a barbaric form of society as a monarchy, then again, in those times, that was the only form (coincidence?).  But I digress, what the concept of god did was instil into the minds of people that inequality is a normal occurrence and gave the rulers legitimacy.  At times, most predominately in Egypt, the rulers would claim themselves gods to control the people.  Now however hypocritical the slave-owning elite were, I still find truth in the bleached out (by the Patriot Act) piece of paper where it says &amp;#8220;all men are created equal&amp;#8221;.  God is obsolete.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>What humanity seeks in religion and calls &#8216;God&#8217; is itself.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;What humanity seeks in religion and calls &#8216;God&#8217; is itself.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Wow, I come back and this is what I see.  Reminds me why I left to a forum without spammers and well...13 year olds.  But I still missed all the long time kongregaters here, so I'm stopping by to say hi.

As to the response to this, I feel like I am repeating myself but there are so new people in this thread so I'll say it.
&lt;br&gt;
I am not communist, but I agree with it a lot more than capitalism.  Capitalism is a system in which one gains profit through exploitation.  Exploiting the environment because it is cost effective, exploiting the workers by moving the labour oversees and creating sweatshops, and exploiting the consumer by poor products and a multi-billion dollar advertising industry centered on bringing people down in order to bring profits up by setting impossible standards on what one is supposed to be and offering their products as solutions to one's artificially induced flaws and problems.  Capitalism _is not_ sustainable!  Sure, you make more money by exploiting others, but in the long run, the system fails.  Capitalism may preach &quot;freedom&quot; as in &quot;free market&quot;, but it hardly is.  The only freedom you have in it is to work 12 hour days or starve; hey at least you have that freedom.  Another thing I should add to you newcomers is, when I said 12 hour day, I wasn't talking about some far off third world country.  I was talking about right here in the U.S.A. back in &quot;the good ol' days&quot; when capitalism reined with an iron wallet.  It wasn't capitalism, or the kindness of the bosses that created the 8 hour day, it was socialists, communists, and anarchists marching together demanding it back when a union was something to be feared. Capitalism is economic monarchy.  It is exploitation of the honest by the dishonest.  It is the theft of reaping what you do not sow, and leaving the sower empty handed.  Inequality, wage slavery, inheritance, theft, self-destruction.  That is synonymous with capitalism.

I think &quot;anarcho-communism&quot;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism, or to the less extreme &quot;anarcho-syndicalist&quot;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism forms would work best.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Wow, I come back and this is what I see.  Reminds me why I left to a forum without spammers and well&amp;#8230;13 year olds.  But I still missed all the long time kongregaters here, so I&amp;#8217;m stopping by to say hi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to the response to this, I feel like I am repeating myself but there are so new people in this thread so I&amp;#8217;ll say it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I am not communist, but I agree with it a lot more than capitalism.  Capitalism is a system in which one gains profit through exploitation.  Exploiting the environment because it is cost effective, exploiting the workers by moving the labour oversees and creating sweatshops, and exploiting the consumer by poor products and a multi-billion dollar advertising industry centered on bringing people down in order to bring profits up by setting impossible standards on what one is supposed to be and offering their products as solutions to one&amp;#8217;s artificially induced flaws and problems.  Capitalism &lt;em&gt;is not&lt;/em&gt; sustainable!  Sure, you make more money by exploiting others, but in the long run, the system fails.  Capitalism may preach &amp;#8220;freedom&amp;#8221; as in &amp;#8220;free market&amp;#8221;, but it hardly is.  The only freedom you have in it is to work 12 hour days or starve; hey at least you have that freedom.  Another thing I should add to you newcomers is, when I said 12 hour day, I wasn&amp;#8217;t talking about some far off third world country.  I was talking about right here in the U.S.A. back in &amp;#8220;the good ol&amp;#8217; days&amp;#8221; when capitalism reined with an iron wallet.  It wasn&amp;#8217;t capitalism, or the kindness of the bosses that created the 8 hour day, it was socialists, communists, and anarchists marching together demanding it back when a union was something to be feared. Capitalism is economic monarchy.  It is exploitation of the honest by the dishonest.  It is the theft of reaping what you do not sow, and leaving the sower empty handed.  Inequality, wage slavery, inheritance, theft, self-destruction.  That is synonymous with capitalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism&quot;&gt;anarcho-communism&lt;/a&gt;, or to the less extreme &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism&quot;&gt;anarcho-syndicalist&lt;/a&gt; forms would work best.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Well I think everything should be free... but back on topic.


We should only have one law, a golden law, if you will:

Do what you want as long as long as it doesn't impede on another's freedom.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Well I think everything should be free&amp;#8230; but back on topic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should only have one law, a golden law, if you will:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do what you want as long as long as it doesn&amp;#8217;t impede on another&amp;#8217;s freedom.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>School mascot - Tech9's.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;School mascot &amp;#8211; Tech9&amp;#8217;s.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>A whole educational system based on test scores and conformity...my oh my!</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;A whole educational system based on test scores and conformity&amp;#8230;my oh my!&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>wow, i didn't know people on kong played this


well here's my nation

&quot;*The Anarchists of The Resistence*&quot;:http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_resistence

_&#8220;No Gods, No Masters&#8221;_</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;wow, i didn&amp;#8217;t know people on kong played this&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well here&amp;#8217;s my nation&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_resistence&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Anarchists of The Resistence&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&#8220;No Gods, No Masters&#8221;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/63569?page=1#posts-1433201'&gt;1132&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;A pope may be infallible, but the selection process isn&amp;#8217;t. That can lead to some&amp;#8230;awkward situations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What exactly do you mean the pope is infallible?</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/63569?page=1#posts-1433201&quot;&gt;1132&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;A pope may be infallible, but the selection process isn&amp;#8217;t. That can lead to some&amp;#8230;awkward situations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What exactly do you mean the pope is infallible?&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Be a rebel, create a god as you see fit.  Because that's what it basically amounts to.  Since god doesn't seem to be answering any questions, people have just _interpreted_ what he wants.  Of course this power was widely abused by high religious authorities, but more importantly than even that, people changed the original religious beliefs and created new religions over the years.  Now where do you suppose this knowledge of what god wants came from?  From the people themselves of course.  God didn't wake them in the middle of the night in the form of a polar bear and said to make a few &quot;corrections&quot;* in holy scriptures, the people themselves chose what _they_ felt god wanted.  And like I said, that's what it comes down to, take someone else's interpretation on what is good, moral or humane (whatever you wish to call it), or think it over yourself and create your own morals.

&lt;small&gt;*I have this in parentheses, because I don't know what else to call them.  God, as everyone knows, doesn't make mistakes, or s/he wouldn't be too holy is s/he did at least that's what I think.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Be a rebel, create a god as you see fit.  Because that&amp;#8217;s what it basically amounts to.  Since god doesn&amp;#8217;t seem to be answering any questions, people have just &lt;em&gt;interpreted&lt;/em&gt; what he wants.  Of course this power was widely abused by high religious authorities, but more importantly than even that, people changed the original religious beliefs and created new religions over the years.  Now where do you suppose this knowledge of what god wants came from?  From the people themselves of course.  God didn&amp;#8217;t wake them in the middle of the night in the form of a polar bear and said to make a few &amp;quot;corrections&amp;quot;* in holy scriptures, the people themselves chose what &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; felt god wanted.  And like I said, that&amp;#8217;s what it comes down to, take someone else&amp;#8217;s interpretation on what is good, moral or humane (whatever you wish to call it), or think it over yourself and create your own morals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;*I have this in parentheses, because I don&amp;#8217;t know what else to call them.  God, as everyone knows, doesn&amp;#8217;t make mistakes, or s/he wouldn&amp;#8217;t be too holy is s/he did at least that&amp;#8217;s what I think.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/63164?page=1#posts-1427854'&gt;Darkruler2005&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or what does that priest do in the back room with the alter boys&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Serious discussion is going downhill with you constantly posting crap whatever you like. This is not your forum for personal experiences. If you want to spout inane harassment at religion, no, at &lt;em&gt;people that work within religion&lt;/em&gt;, do it within notepad. If this is allowed, then it&amp;#8217;s only a matter of time before this section is filled with topics full of hatred hurled at whatever group you want to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



First of all, you are the one that assumed it is something bad, for I did not specify.  And it's not like I made a completely fallacious statement either; where do you think people got those suspicions from in the first place?  And why notepad?  You are basically giving me the freedom of speech as long as no one can hear me speak.  That is no freedom at all.  And in response to the whole &quot;topics full of hatred&quot;,  I am not trying to sell something.  I have a goal and I do not compromise, so what I write may offend some, but if I used the same monotone, general, insipid language as the political system is fond of in speeches to the masses, my argument would be dead before I even wrote it down.  And it's not hatred either, its straight-forward disagreement, without the filler.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/63164?page=1#posts-1427854&quot;&gt;Darkruler2005&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or what does that priest do in the back room with the alter boys&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Serious discussion is going downhill with you constantly posting crap whatever you like. This is not your forum for personal experiences. If you want to spout inane harassment at religion, no, at &lt;em&gt;people that work within religion&lt;/em&gt;, do it within notepad. If this is allowed, then it&amp;#8217;s only a matter of time before this section is filled with topics full of hatred hurled at whatever group you want to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First of all, you are the one that assumed it is something bad, for I did not specify.  And it&amp;#8217;s not like I made a completely fallacious statement either; where do you think people got those suspicions from in the first place?  And why notepad?  You are basically giving me the freedom of speech as long as no one can hear me speak.  That is no freedom at all.  And in response to the whole &amp;#8220;topics full of hatred&amp;#8221;,  I am not trying to sell something.  I have a goal and I do not compromise, so what I write may offend some, but if I used the same monotone, general, insipid language as the political system is fond of in speeches to the masses, my argument would be dead before I even wrote it down.  And it&amp;#8217;s not hatred either, its straight-forward disagreement, without the filler.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Can I add that the Nazis (and fascists in general - Spain, Italy) were also helped out by the Catholic Church?  Oh and you know how many Nazis escaped to South America, well some Catholic priests helped them do so.  Supporting fascism just to stop communism, which they feared as atheistic.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Can I add that the Nazis (and fascists in general &amp;#8211; Spain, Italy) were also helped out by the Catholic Church?  Oh and you know how many Nazis escaped to South America, well some Catholic priests helped them do so.  Supporting fascism just to stop communism, which they feared as atheistic.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/63164?page=1#posts-1424840'&gt;SaintAjora&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think about all this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How did they differentiate between Scientology and other religions?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Honestly though, all religions are scams.  Scientology is just a lot more obvious.



I think all religions must go, and I am not being biased by picking Scientology as the first I wish to see out, because I feel it is the most potentially dangerous, and this is a hard title to accomplish with Christianity and Islam in the candidacy.  If we get rid of one, like hold trials for fraud and stuff, maybe people will start questioning their own beliefs, like what exactly does the Pope do, and why does he get so much money for it, or what does that priest do in the back room with the alter boys, or why some holly man is trying to convince you suicide will get you laid.  Maybe just maybe people will figure it all out by themselves, and any dogmatic and superstitious beliefs will cease.  But then again maybe not.  But I always got a plan B.  Did you ever read the poem by Martin Niem&#246;ller?  First they came for, then they came for, and when they came for me, no one was there to speak out? (very brief and general version of it)  Well that's another way religion could end, today Scientology, tomorrow Catholicism.  And religions definitely do not have a good history of sticking together.  In fact they even fight amongst themselves (ever read how Protestants came to be?)  So one by one and the dominoes of superstition fall down.  Lets hope this leads to more.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/63164?page=1#posts-1424840&quot;&gt;SaintAjora&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think about all this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How did they differentiate between Scientology and other religions?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Honestly though, all religions are scams.  Scientology is just a lot more obvious.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think all religions must go, and I am not being biased by picking Scientology as the first I wish to see out, because I feel it is the most potentially dangerous, and this is a hard title to accomplish with Christianity and Islam in the candidacy.  If we get rid of one, like hold trials for fraud and stuff, maybe people will start questioning their own beliefs, like what exactly does the Pope do, and why does he get so much money for it, or what does that priest do in the back room with the alter boys, or why some holly man is trying to convince you suicide will get you laid.  Maybe just maybe people will figure it all out by themselves, and any dogmatic and superstitious beliefs will cease.  But then again maybe not.  But I always got a plan B.  Did you ever read the poem by Martin Niem&#246;ller?  First they came for, then they came for, and when they came for me, no one was there to speak out? (very brief and general version of it)  Well that&amp;#8217;s another way religion could end, today Scientology, tomorrow Catholicism.  And religions definitely do not have a good history of sticking together.  In fact they even fight amongst themselves (ever read how Protestants came to be?)  So one by one and the dominoes of superstition fall down.  Lets hope this leads to more.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>This holds a lot of interesting questions that are not all apparent.

If god wasn't so great no one would be nice to her and pray.

Like basically, if god was normal like us (then she wouldn't be considered god yes I know, but just for this example assume) then we would treat her like shit, if we treat other people like shit.


We should not be striving towards pleasing some imaginary overseer.

We should be making the world a better place.

God _is_ humanity.

Why are the Gods so powerful?  Because we are on our knees!  Let us rise!  If you want to believe in anything first believe in yourself and in humanity.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;This holds a lot of interesting questions that are not all apparent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If god wasn&amp;#8217;t so great no one would be nice to her and pray.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like basically, if god was normal like us (then she wouldn&amp;#8217;t be considered god yes I know, but just for this example assume) then we would treat her like shit, if we treat other people like shit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should not be striving towards pleasing some imaginary overseer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should be making the world a better place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; humanity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why are the Gods so powerful?  Because we are on our knees!  Let us rise!  If you want to believe in anything first believe in yourself and in humanity.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>A Paris court convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud and fined it more than euro600,000 ($900,000) on Tuesday, but stopped short of banning the group's activities.

The court convicted the Church of Scientology's French office, its library and six of its leaders of organized fraud. Investigators said the group pressured members into paying large sums of money for questionable financial gain and used &quot;commercial harassment&quot; against recruits.

The group was fined euro400,000 ($600,000) and the library euro200,000. Four of the leaders were given suspended sentences of between 10 months and two years. The other two were given fines of euro1,000 and euro2,000.



http://abcnews.go.com/Business/scientology/wireStory?id=8923751



All I can say is LMFAO, nice.

Now I'm usually the type of person that believes in doing what you want, so it may be a shock to some of you to see me siding with the French government, but Scientology is a scam.  People get _brainwashed_ into it.  That's not freedom, that's mind control.

What do you think about all this?</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;A Paris court convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud and fined it more than euro600,000 ($900,000) on Tuesday, but stopped short of banning the group&amp;#8217;s activities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The court convicted the Church of Scientology&amp;#8217;s French office, its library and six of its leaders of organized fraud. Investigators said the group pressured members into paying large sums of money for questionable financial gain and used &amp;#8220;commercial harassment&amp;#8221; against recruits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The group was fined euro400,000 ($600,000) and the library euro200,000. Four of the leaders were given suspended sentences of between 10 months and two years. The other two were given fines of euro1,000 and euro2,000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/Business/scientology/wireStory?id=8923751&quot;&gt;http://abcnews.go.com/Business/scientology/wireStory?id=8923751&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All I can say is &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;LMFAO&lt;/span&gt;, nice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I&amp;#8217;m usually the type of person that believes in doing what you want, so it may be a shock to some of you to see me siding with the French government, but Scientology is a scam.  People get &lt;em&gt;brainwashed&lt;/em&gt; into it.  That&amp;#8217;s not freedom, that&amp;#8217;s mind control.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think about all this?&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>bq. science keep making new discovery; religon just stagnant and discover nothing thus science has more potental for real world bad things

But science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.</body>
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&lt;p&gt;science keep making new discovery; religon just stagnant and discover nothing thus science has more potental for real world bad things&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But science flies you to the moon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Religion flies you into buildings.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Well, I waited for a discussion.

Now I gotta go, night &lt;3</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Well, I waited for a discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I gotta go, night &amp;lt;3&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>United Steelworkers enlists Mondragon in move toward employee democracy


The United Steelworkers (USW) and MONDRAGON Internacional, S.A. today announced a framework agreement for collaboration in establishing MONDRAGON cooperatives in the manufacturing sector within the United States and Canada.

&quot;We see today's agreement as a historic first step towards making union co-ops a viable business model that can create good jobs, empower workers, and support communities in the United States and Canada... Too often we have seen Wall Street hollow out companies by draining their cash and assets and hollowing out communities by shedding jobs and shuttering plants. We need a new business model that invests in workers and invests in communities.&quot;

&quot;What we are announcing today represents a historic first&#8212;combining the world's largest industrial worker cooperative with one of the world's most progressive and forward-thinking manufacturing unions to work together so that our combined know-how and complimentary visions can transform manufacturing practices in North America.&quot;

Highlighting the differences between Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) and union co-ops, Gerard said, &quot;We have lots of experience with ESOPs, but have found that it doesn't take long for the Wall Street types to push workers aside and take back control. We see Mondragon's cooperative model with 'one worker, one vote' ownership as a means to re-empower workers and make business accountable to Main Street instead of Wall Street.&quot;


Excerpts from http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/10/steelworkers-form-collaboration-with.html

What do you think about this whole situation?  Is it a start for collectives, for worker run industry, and perhaps, an end to capitalism?</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;United Steelworkers enlists Mondragon in move toward employee democracy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The United Steelworkers (&lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;USW&lt;/span&gt;) and &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;MONDRAGON&lt;/span&gt; Internacional, S.A. today announced a framework agreement for collaboration in establishing &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;MONDRAGON&lt;/span&gt; cooperatives in the manufacturing sector within the United States and Canada.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;We see today&amp;#8217;s agreement as a historic first step towards making union co-ops a viable business model that can create good jobs, empower workers, and support communities in the United States and Canada&amp;#8230; Too often we have seen Wall Street hollow out companies by draining their cash and assets and hollowing out communities by shedding jobs and shuttering plants. We need a new business model that invests in workers and invests in communities.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;What we are announcing today represents a historic first&#8212;combining the world&amp;#8217;s largest industrial worker cooperative with one of the world&amp;#8217;s most progressive and forward-thinking manufacturing unions to work together so that our combined know-how and complimentary visions can transform manufacturing practices in North America.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Highlighting the differences between Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) and union co-ops, Gerard said, &amp;#8220;We have lots of experience with ESOPs, but have found that it doesn&amp;#8217;t take long for the Wall Street types to push workers aside and take back control. We see Mondragon&amp;#8217;s cooperative model with &amp;#8216;one worker, one vote&amp;#8217; ownership as a means to re-empower workers and make business accountable to Main Street instead of Wall Street.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excerpts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/10/steelworkers-form-collaboration-with.html&quot;&gt;http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/10/steelworkers-form-collaboration-with.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think about this whole situation?  Is it a start for collectives, for worker run industry, and perhaps, an end to capitalism?&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/62133?page=2#posts-1408910'&gt;SaintAjora&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well you know, repeating a flawed argument many times makes it valid!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. How do you think advertisements or politics work?</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/62133?page=2#posts-1408910&quot;&gt;SaintAjora&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well you know, repeating a flawed argument many times makes it valid!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly. How do you think advertisements or politics work?&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/62240?page=2#posts-1410199'&gt;mariosuperlative&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why are you all believing this? I highly doubt anyone would say this to the OP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a side note, I said &amp;#8220;Jesus Christ&amp;#8221; when I was annoyed in school and the guy next to me hit me in the arm, saying I was being disrespectful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Happened to me too. I said &quot;oh my god&quot;.  Supposedly its taken the lords name in vain.  And the guy that got pissed off and told me if I said it again would punch me, well he is one of those people that spell god &quot;g-d&quot;.  I never understood that, it's stupid, but I know there's a stupid reason though.  Anyone know it?</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/62240?page=2#posts-1410199&quot;&gt;mariosuperlative&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why are you all believing this? I highly doubt anyone would say this to the OP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a side note, I said &amp;#8220;Jesus Christ&amp;#8221; when I was annoyed in school and the guy next to me hit me in the arm, saying I was being disrespectful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happened to me too. I said &amp;#8220;oh my god&amp;#8221;.  Supposedly its taken the lords name in vain.  And the guy that got pissed off and told me if I said it again would punch me, well he is one of those people that spell god &amp;#8220;g-d&amp;#8221;.  I never understood that, it&amp;#8217;s stupid, but I know there&amp;#8217;s a stupid reason though.  Anyone know it?&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;d like to share a revelation that I&amp;#8217;ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you&amp;#8217;re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>There is no such thing as too many weapons.

Btw we are all dying to know where you live.  Here assault rifles are banned :(

My state officials are complete fun killers.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;There is no such thing as too many weapons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Btw we are all dying to know where you live.  Here assault rifles are banned :(&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My state officials are complete fun killers.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>Dress up as John Wilkes Booth.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;p&gt;Dress up as John Wilkes Booth.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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    <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href='/forums/9/topics/61949?page=1#posts-1401566'&gt;Yourmomma696969&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;The best rumors are the ones you start yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had a friend with two sick grade school kids, about 6 and 8.  Nothing spectacular, just bad colds &lt;br /&gt;
and they stayed home from school that day.  The family joke was that they probably contracted &lt;br /&gt;
West Nile Virus.  The older son, age 12, repeated this family joke in the hallway to a couple of his buddies.  &lt;br /&gt;
By the end of the school day each homeroom had been notified about two &amp;#8220;possible&amp;#8221; cases of &lt;br /&gt;
West Nile Virus and the school was considering sending notes home to the parents and calling the County Health Department.  That was the funniest thing I&amp;#8217;d seen in a long time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Lol.  Remember when Swine Flu just started in the spring.  Well our hallways are way overcrowded, so all you had to do is start coughing and you'd have a clear passage to your class ;)


bq. I made a pretty funny joke about her torturing her class and we pretended to have a conversation about best ways to torture and why she tortures people, and someone overheard it and spread the news, it was pretty funny.

Reminds me of when me and my friends were saying, that if teachers ever get to have guns, &quot;for protection&quot;, that they will start playing Russian Roulette with the kids.  &quot;Billy, whats the answer to number five? ....Wrong Answer! _aims gun at him, pulls trigger_ You got lucky this time, lets see if your friend Jimmy will be so fortunate&quot;


bq.  I love your hobo story, how did it end, did they just cancel it? 

Yea, after 30 minutes they went back to normal.  I think mostly because it was time to leave school by then.</body>
    <body-html>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Originally posted by &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/forums/9/topics/61949?page=1#posts-1401566&quot;&gt;Yourmomma696969&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;The best rumors are the ones you start yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had a friend with two sick grade school kids, about 6 and 8.  Nothing spectacular, just bad colds &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
and they stayed home from school that day.  The family joke was that they probably contracted &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
West Nile Virus.  The older son, age 12, repeated this family joke in the hallway to a couple of his buddies.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
By the end of the school day each homeroom had been notified about two &amp;#8220;possible&amp;#8221; cases of &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
West Nile Virus and the school was considering sending notes home to the parents and calling the County Health Department.  That was the funniest thing I&amp;#8217;d seen in a long time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lol.  Remember when Swine Flu just started in the spring.  Well our hallways are way overcrowded, so all you had to do is start coughing and you&amp;#8217;d have a clear passage to your class ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I made a pretty funny joke about her torturing her class and we pretended to have a conversation about best ways to torture and why she tortures people, and someone overheard it and spread the news, it was pretty funny.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Reminds me of when me and my friends were saying, that if teachers ever get to have guns, &amp;#8220;for protection&amp;#8221;, that they will start playing Russian Roulette with the kids.  &amp;#8220;Billy, whats the answer to number five? &amp;#8230;.Wrong Answer! &lt;em&gt;aims gun at him, pulls trigger&lt;/em&gt; You got lucky this time, lets see if your friend Jimmy will be so fortunate&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I love your hobo story, how did it end, did they just cancel it?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Yea, after 30 minutes they went back to normal.  I think mostly because it was time to leave school by then.&lt;/p&gt;</body-html>
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