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Topic: Serious Discussion / World without Religion: Better or Worse?

Originally posted by somebody613:ey “won”. :D

@1132
Yeah, and WARS and DESTRUCTION etc.
Without paganism, you had the chance to have the SAME scientific level, with LESS human lives ruined or destroyed.
Art and sports can be both idolized for worshiping human body, or just health activities.
Nowadays, it’s the second anyways.
And yes, the Torah did NOT change, whether someone like it or not. :D

Wait… what? Without paganism, we never would have had the Renaissance. The demand for luxury goods from China might have eventually stimulated scientific research, but at the cost of war.
Don’t get me wrong: the monks saved a lot of stuff, and without that, the Renaissance would been a lot harder to achieve.
Also, Judaism changed a lot. Abraham had sex with the old Babylonian moon goddess in the oldest forms right after they switched to a monotheistic religion. So, I reiterate the question: how ancient of a Jew are we talking?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / World without Religion: Better or Worse?

Originally posted by somebody613:

One final statement before I actually finally resign:
The ultimate idolatry is to worship the HUMAN, be it the BODY or the BRAIN.
Both there done by ancients Greeks and their likes, and both are still present in today’s society.
But Jews were living with our eyes towards GOD then, and so we do now.
And where are those ancient Greeks NOW, huh?

Wait, you do realize that the ancient Greeks you speak of helped to fuel democratic movements and the sciences? Without them, we would be, you know, in the dark ages.
And furthermore, it is Greek ideals that are more prevalent in many places- the individual and the devotion to the pure forms of the arts, sciences, and even sports are all Greek things.

Originally posted by somebody613:

DO I?
How do you know WHERE I live or who are MY ancestors?
(To your amazement, I’m NOT an American by far.)
ASSUMPTIONS, dude, PURE assumptions!
I’m as much JEWISH as was Jacob and his sons.
We even speak the same Hebrew, well, somewhat.
You’re the uneducated guy right now…

I sincerely doubt that you practice like an ancient Jew. Although I suppose it’s possible, depending upon the oldness of the Jewishness. Which I am now inquiring about. And please don’t say the oldest.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / African-American Studies in the USA

Originally posted by Darkruler2005:

Differentiation is the first step towards discrimination. “Black history” and “white history” are nothing but facts without conclusions. I understand there are people wishing to make scientific claims based on this, but the vast majority of people are ignorant and would love to fall down on racism just because of these differences. I don’t think researching this supposed “black history” is that much important other than for the non-ignorant few to store this type of information. It’s much more important to research history in general.

I think he’s more referring to the history of black peoples in Africa and the history of Africa being written out of history, not differing white and black history in places like America.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Importance of History?

Originally posted by DarkBaron:

I never said ultimate end all outlet for education. However, most people who do watch it view it as educational. And of course you’re right that it’s not educational for anyone with half a brain and critical thought – something Americans lack

It used to be sooooo much better. Sad deal that was. And the dismantling of TLC by Discovery. Used to be some great stuff on that channel.

Anyway, I’d tend to agree with zyzzyvette. History is important, but people need to know why the facts are important. They do teach that in the advanced classes, but not in the regular ones, which is the problem, as that is the majority of the students. I suppose as long as somebody is learning about it, it’s not half bad, but still- I’ve seen a lot of people who could be taught so much about today’s world with a simple history lesson.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / African-American Studies in the USA

Pretty sure Carthage was Phoenician, honestly not sure about ancient Egypt, but I’m fairly certain they weren’t considered black.

Honestly, there isn’t much importance to the old African kingdoms: some of the West African were important in the slave trade, and the East African ones stimulated trade in the Indian Ocean, but the West African kingdoms were ultimately destroyed by the slave trade, and the East African city states were shelled into oblivion by the Portuguese. Before the world really became interconnected, they had already fallen.

I don’t see much problem with how they teach it, at least where I live: where it’s relevant, it’s brought up, when it’s not, it’s not brought up. Not really any lies, so… really, I just don’t see the problem.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why do the world hate or love USA?

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:
And that is precisely why America can be so good- even when we have major problems, we can, you know, rectify them (although we’ve been a bit slow for most of the detainees- no prison in the US is willing to accept the detainees so far), and Murat Kurnaz was released. Although treated poorly, that was the problem with the last administration- to willing to blow off everyone else to violate human rights and the Constitution. Can’t really base America off its worst cases and then refuse to look at the good. Then every nation is bad.

what?? are you seriously excusing putting and keeping a 19 year old guy in prison for 6 years without due process or trial, against treaties you signed to give him to his own country, even though you know him to be innocent, torturing him throughout, trying to manipulate him to sign a confession by toruture and by telling him he will be released if he signes and never be released if he doesn’t by saying ‘oh well, he was released in the end, so’…
and that even when he was only released because they had to, while others just like him were still kept locked up?

i’m sorry, but you are just dispicable. goodbye.

I’m not saying it wasn’t good- it was quite bad. But the fact that it was corrected is a good thing- the people spoke against an injustice, and stuff was done.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why do the world hate or love USA?

And the only thing that’s longer running and more repetitive than the Republican primaries are this argument.
But really.

To Omega Doom:

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

Why do you hate the USA?
because they are pricks about their own government. every government has done bad things, but Americans are droned to stay convinced of their superiority, while their government continues to do evil. look up Murnat Kurnaz to know what i mean.
they are major criminals, and many people know it and in fact are trying to sue them, but in practice they are immune which means america is a dictatorship. talk about elections all you want, if you can’t sue them when they commit war-crimes, something is really wrong.

And that is precisely why America can be so good- even when we have major problems, we can, you know, rectify them (although we’ve been a bit slow for most of the detainees- no prison in the US is willing to accept the detainees so far), and Murat Kurnaz was released. Although treated poorly, that was the problem with the last administration- to willing to blow off everyone else to violate human rights and the Constitution. Can’t really base America off its worst cases and then refuse to look at the good. Then every nation is bad.

Why do you hate the capitalism?
because it is a society where economy play a major role, and this economy is plutocratic rather than democratic, which means a tyranny of the few.

And once again, this is another reason why America is good. A society where an economy plays an important role allows for a far more fluid system. Before economic standing became important in society, we had, you know, systems where birth determined your social privileges. A society based upon the economy brings about a far fairer system than anything else, and don’t you dare say communism. Also, the people still hold the voting power. There is just a large group that thinks that voting with corporations is a good thing. Bit of an odd thing, but hey, it was either that or rampant corruption.

What are the sins of USA?
vanity, greed, pride, and vanity.

Can’t deny that our society does have some of those traits, but hey, the stock of the nation was built upon those who came over here to build a new life. So yes, they were often greedy and self centered but they were willingly and able to do whatever was needed to succeed. That’s why America became such a great nation in such a short time: half of the world’s third largest country was effectively civilized in a handful of decades by such individuals.

What is the future of the States?
fortunately it is collapsing in on itself. i just hope they won’t get desperate before their military might decreases.

Not likely. This is just a downturn, and we’re already coming back up. If China collapses, the US will be more than capable of maintaining its superpower status.

Are you happy to not be citizen of USA?
absolutely am i happy to live away from such a homocidal culture of ignorant fatsos.

You know what I enjoy? Irony.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / How do we prove what is real and what isn't?

Originally posted by Privett:
Originally posted by iMachine:

You don’t, but it doesn’t really matter. Perceived reality is as real to the observer as ‘objective reality’ is.

That sounds like you’re just saying “ignorance is bliss”. But yes thats what I was wondering, if something feels real enough, am i allowed to call it real?

You can call anything you want real.
However, if you want a larger view of it, look to society.
There is a certain set of minds that fall within a small range of deviation from the “normal”- focus on that.
As these minds are all of a fairly similar type, they take in their sensory inputs in a roughly similar way.
Thus, there is a sort of shared sensory experience.
Now, we must ask ourselves, “What is reality?”
That’s just: sensory experience. It’s how we look at things.
Thus, we can, as a society, within a fairly small amount of deviance within the brain, look at things, and decide that they do indeed exist. Most of us can do things and talk to others and derive the same experience. Thus, we can say that things are real in a sense. Even dreams, although they lack substance, are real- in the sense that we experience them.
We can even describe dreams to people, although most of us (including me) would see it as a sort of “false reality” because it lacks the normal properties of our reality. And thus, we must look at what we would not consider reality: those who are of a severe enough deviance in the brain that they do not experience reality the same as you or me.
Like dreams, there are those who see reality in a different way. I cannot describe fully to you: I do not experience such things. But those who live in worlds of delusion, different from everyone else- that is the sort of thing I speak of, those whose sensory experiences differs greatly from everyone else’s. So they do experience it differently. On a case by case basis, it might not even be that different. But that is complicated, and that’s all that is needed.
So, in the end, reality can be whatever you want- but it is indeed limited by what is real and what we as a society perceive as real.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / When Will The USA Move On From 9/11?

Originally posted by DarkBaron:

How does it not?

Well, to be fair, the last two aren’t necessarily signs of either side, but just a want to prevent such an occurrence from happening again, although Patriot Day does point to us not moving on.
Then again, there’s also Confederate Heroes Day, but no one celebrates that one either. At least outside of the Deep South. I wouldn’t say it is an indication that the majority of Americans are still stuck in the past. At least on that point.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Christians, what is your answer to the Riddle of Epicurus?

Originally posted by Cimerax:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

lrn2freewilll.
But really, seriously, and more on topic, free will is the answer to that. He could but does not because he gives us power over our own destiny. He would want to see us all be good, but we do not all decide such things. Which drags in the tricky question of psychopaths. But screw them.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Would you rather have all the powers of Aquaman, or be able to play the banjo perfectly?

He can kill with a touch and make animals do his bidding.
And he’s apparently resistant to machine gun fire.
And he’s still the lamest hero of the Justice League.
Banjo, please.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Anyone else miss Red Alert?

Originally posted by GraphicDesignC:
Originally posted by HappyAlcoholic:

I kinda enjoyed the futuristic Tiberium series a lot more than the what-if Red Alert series, sorry….

I’m not saying they were totally shit, it just made me mad because EA ripped off the Tiberian Sun. It was a good game but then all these Japanese people would get mods and rape everybody. So I got tired of playing that.
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Wait, you do realize EA bought the rights to the entire Command and Conquer line when they acquired Westwood? C&C3 is as much a rip off of its sequel as RA3 is.

Although I must say I enjoyed RA2 the best out of the line. The story was awesome. RA3 could’ve been my favorite, but EA… they just rushed it. Not as bad as C&C4, but they still rushed it.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / The [Official] Skyrim Masterthread.

Originally posted by Casper_D:

You guys have any tips on how to beat that Frost Troll that is just before High Hrothgar?
I’ve tried using flames on it but I don’t think my destruction level is high enough. Should I just grind my destruction level?

You can also run past it. That’s what I did.

Originally posted by Ayumi_Stocking:

daedra hearts and ebony ingots are not cheap.

You mean money is actually important in an elder scrolls game for once!?

If you try to buy your way to daedric, I suppose so. Or try to buy a house. But I’ve had random quests at level 20ish that have netted a few thousand gold for just killing some bandits. So it’s not really a problem.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Is 1810 a good SAT score?

It’s not National Merit Scholarship, but if you get it on an SAT, that’s good enough for all but the best schools in the US.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / What avatar did you have for the longest time?

Had this one since day one, only swapped it out for Greg month and Christmas.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Post pictures of your computer!

Toaster, what exactly do you do?

 
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Topic: Off-topic / What is the difference between dedication and obsession?

It’s a question of will power, although it can be very easy to confuse the two.
Of course, as I believe we lack but limited will power, there is not much difference to me.
And then there are levels of it depending upon the country. I would say there are countries that appear obsessed with certain things to someone in the US.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Post pictures of your computer!

I have the same home phone as the OP.
Also,

Except I opted for the 9 cell battery pack, instead of the 6 cell. So there’s a raised bit along the bottom.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / I've been playing Skyrim in the last 5 hours

Yeah… after I got it for Christmas, my entire day and part of the next one was wasted. I started at 10am and ended at 2am. I only ate two meals.

So I do know the feeling.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / The Official TVTropes Thread.

Originally posted by ktherock7:

This thread doesn’t feel official enough.

Would a banner help?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / BC and BCE

I find it silly to argue over this topic. Who cares? Is it really going to influence our kids? Not at all. Would I personally prefer to keep it the way it is? Yeah, but that’s because I like the look of BC/AD versus BCE/CE, not for any silly religious reasons.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Conservipedia a joke?

Originally posted by scoopolard:
Originally posted by 1132:

Please refrain from making statements not based in fact, or anything, really. Especially such derogatory, pointless ones.

My dearest apologies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC#Criticism_and_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnn#Controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cbs#Controversy
http://www.gargaro.com/bias.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times#Political_persuasion_overall

Once again, my apologies.

I was more referencing this:

Originally posted by scoopolard:
Originally posted by Ketsy:

Relevant.

Just in case people missed it.

Hahaha “charitable” and “enlightened” under the word “liberal”. That’s funny.

As I hadn’t quoted the other material, although I could see where some confusion could arise, given the double post.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Question to the great technical minds of OT

Originally posted by Predatorx687:

I’m not going to build a laptop in the next few years, considering I’m a complete retard
and I’ve never done it before.

If you’ve got a friend who can do it, you’ve got a pretty decent solid state drive to start with.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / What the hell.

A herd of mammoths killed one for me.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Conservipedia a joke?

Please refrain from making statements not based in fact, or anything, really. Especially such derogatory, pointless ones.