Recent posts by Marvaddin on Kongregate

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

No thanks Marv. This thread is appropriate for MMO lovers, haters, and anyone indifferent to it(that means everyone, by the way). Or are you scared of a contrary opinion?

Yes, this thread should die. We have all long since brought anything new to this discussion. We are all just repeating yourselves now. Like any thread, when there is nothing left to talk about, it should be locked.

ORLY? Am I the one scared of a contrary opinion? Let me check…

Originally posted by bobby71983:

if you dont like them, dont play them. every genre has its good and bad points and it just amuses me when people single out mmo’s. give it up already, you arent getting rid of them.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

well the topic of mmos “ruining” kong is just people who dont like a genre for whatever reason, so since there isnt much to discuss about that, it has been derailed.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This whole thread has made a bigger deal of the issue than it deserved. It was never an issue to begin with.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This thread needs to die already.

Looks like you were the one trying to kill a discussion even before it starts. First and second quotes are from page 1. Scared of a contrary opinion?

By the way, Im not saying MMOs lovers shouldnt post here (can you provide any quotes?). We have other MMOs lovers here, and I never asked them for stop posting. In fact, I showed respect for their opinions, and so they did. My problem is with you only, and not about real opinions, but about trying to kill the discussion. Whats this? Censorship?

Oh, but you can play very well as victim, huh? You can say “I’ll post in any thread I feel like posting in”, so whats the problem if people want to post here and keep the discussion going? You can say “Your opinion has no more or less value than mine does”, so what if people want the thread alive? You ask for respect, but you dont show a minimal respect for other people opinions.

Even if nothing new is brought to discussion recently (which I disagree), this doesnt mean “there is nothing left to talk”. Or can you be sure that someone that isnt even registered in Kong cant bring any new point? And even in this case, people have the right to show their opinion to agree or disagree which something already discussed. What to say for you? The discussion shouldnt have started, heh, and who is scared?

When I said to you to create your own thread:
1st, it was to keep your “censorship” disrespectful comments away. Well, looks like you cant get the discussion anymore. Stop trolling here and be happy.
2nd, when I said I would play the troll there, it was to force you to an imagination exercise: think about yourself in a discussion that is relevant to you and a troll saying “Let the discussion die”, “There is nothing worthy saying”, “Give up already”. I can suppose you wouldnt like (censorship is good for other people, but not for you, right?), but of course you didnt understand it. Ok, now Im aware I shouldnt expect anything smart from you.

That said, this thread will continue, live with that. Its much worse to us live with MMOs anyway. If I think you post something offensive to our right to continue it, I will just report you.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

@ anyone who responded to me.

I’ll post in any thread I feel like posting in, thanks :P

Sure, like other people. So just stop acting like an idiot by saying people to let the thread die or something alike. They wont. Create an MMOs lovers thread and I will go there to say I dont support MMOs everytime someone posts. Fine, huh?

Seriously, if you have an opinion to post, its ok. If you dont, you just looks stupid / arrogant.

Originally posted by racefan12:

Unfortunately, your opinions as to what constitutes a “good” MMO are not what Kongregate uses to judge a “good” MMO—Kongregate goes by the game’s rating.

Well, after those signs of ratings manipulation I have heard about, Im not entirely convinced. “Good” MMO to Kongregate: anything people will spend real money on. On the other hand: I weekly receive a Kong e-mail in my inbox, and in that e-mail I see a list of “top new games this week”. For some reason, usually there is no Multiplayer game there, but lots of other possibly fun games. But why, oh why, most of these never receive badges? I guess some dont have the API implemented, etc, but usually just a few sequels receive badges and others are forgotten forever. Ratings? Kong looks for profit. Only.

Originally posted by wattro:

That said, I haven’t been upset by (or felt Kong has pushed) the MMO Cash-grab vs Regular game balance as of late, so… good job, I think… for now. But when that balance tips towards MMOs, it’s natural that the 99% who don’t want games to slowroll the players’ bankrolls (to steal a term from poker) – and that’s pretty much what’s being encouraged here – will feel slighted that kong doesn’t have their best interests in mind (and they don’t).

Yes, Im upset. The quantity is even ok (mostly because of apocalipse event, I suppose), but about quality… I see it this way:
- quality needed for a regular game to be badge: very very high, unless its a sequel (in fact, being a sequel of Papa’s, Epic War, Bloons TD – ooops, now they have premium content – is almost an insta-badge).
- quality needed for a MMO / freemium game to be badged: average, and even gameplay isnt a requisite.

Originally posted by bjjdude:

Originally posted by adv0catus:

Originally posted by IceWeaselX:
[…]and have witnessed a dev encouraging players to slam the refresh to reach a playcount milestone with a promise of in game rewards if it was reached by a certain deadline.

That developer needs to be reported for fraud.

Cough anti idle cough
Well at least he doesn’t seem to be milking it though

Curiously, this also remembers me of Backyard Monsters. You go to the bathroom, or to the kitchen get some water, anything. If you are afk for 10 minutes, the game will reload the entire page, of course counting it as new play. I doubt Kong staff doesnt know it. I guess they just dont care.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by adv0catus:

The video is too long to transcribe. The basic concepts covered, from memory:

• Emily talked about how she’s invested a lot of money into figure skating. She compares it to MMOs. The social aspect of it, the competitions/meets/fellow skaters, the “energy system” which is the skating lessons and the equipment expenses.
• Games are hobbies and a small portion of players are willing to spend significant amounts of money on a game, like they would a traditional hobby. That small paying user base makes up a significant majority portion of the game’s revenue.
• The more that someone plays a game, the more likely they are to spend money.
• She advised developers to not shove the premium purchases down the players throat at first. People are very value conscious at first and are more hesitant to pay. As well, like shopping at a new store, the first experience is make or break. Focus on the gaming experience first and the paying players will come later.

She also said that Kongregate had 15 million unique visitors in September and the revenue split between MMOs and advertising is 70% for MMOs and 30% for advertising. I can’t think of anything else significant, or statistics, off the top of my head.

I understand MMOs are hobbies perfectly. If you go to my profile, the “website” there is my favourite MMO. Its a soccer manager game, but I dont like it just because the theme. Its simple, it doesnt require to be on 24/7 and although there are premium features, these are just cosmetic, so I wont have my team (city / fleet / army / whatever) pwned by someone that just spent money. I started to play that game February 2008, so, 5 years ago. AND, Im premium, I spend my real money in this game because I 1) like the features (although they are cosmetic) 2) approve the way the game is developed and want to contribute 3) there is an option to pay without using a credit card (interest rate in Brazil is the highest in the world). I already have my premium bought for next 2 years. Its my hobby.

I can understand some people will like Legacy of a Thousand Suns or Berserk Cataclysm or Ninja Warz for reasons I will never know. I also understand these games generate profit for Kong, and Kong wants ad them. But are these games good enough to be throwed at the common gamer face, and again and again and again? Kong is adding badges to games that dont have a minimum quality, or even dont have gameplay, just thinking in the money that 1% will spend.

Of course there are good MMOs, like Vorp!, that deserve badges, and there are games of other types that dont deserve badges (what was that Boomshine thing?). But promoting (badges included) all these crappy cashgrabs just because of money is ruining my other hobby: badge hunting, which I started in 2009. Why? Because that 1% which spends a lot of money in a game for 2 months and quit is more important than the others that come almost everyday for 4 years and loads tons of ads. Really?

Also some developers arent considering the advice. They are showing their premium content in every click. Just look at Backyard Monsters.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Alisiiea:

I don’t really blame anybody for having an MMO on their site, especially not Kongregate. Kongregate was created for the purpose of everyone being able to play a game they will enjoy, and discover new games and meet new people. I think the reason they allow MMO’s is so everyone can have their needs met, I personally have no feelings whatsoever about MMOs, but I think the reason they’re promoting them so heavily is because it’s what people are into nowadays..

The creators of these games just want everyone to have fun playing their game, and they think that if somebody doesn’t like it, they don’t have to play it. It’s just that type of thing where certain people like MMOs, and certain don’t.

Kongregate would never intentionally promote a game you wouldn’t like so heavily, but a game type the general population is in to. I don’t see any problem with it other than to expand people’s horizons, and besides, it’s not like you can’t play other games on Kongregate.

Yeah, sure. Kong is promoting MMOs, including the crappiest ones, because they expect we have fun, and surely not because they want us to pay real money to play / win. Same about devs, they want everyone have fun playing their games, and in fact, I can just imagine how fun is to everyone having gameplay limited by something like an energy system. [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by adv0catus:

I think people need to take a look at this video to better understand MMOs and the players. It changed my perception, it might change yours as well.

Can someone post a version of the video with legend? I can read and type in English, but Im not really good about hearing.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This thread needs to die already.

Its ridiculous how you always ask people to stop posting here everytime the thread gets a bump. I assure you no one will stop posting because you asked. Maybe you should create your MMOs lovers thread.

About the recent MMOs, Vorp! was a happy surprise to me. Game is interesting, skills are more important than purchase-able items, and there is no energy system to limit how much I want to play. Games like this one could surely receive badges, as RotMG and Elements the Game. On the other hand, Galaxy Online was awfully boring and looks even unfinished. Fights, for example, take a loooooong (ZzZzZzZzZ) time.Thanks God it had just a medium badge. There was Wartune, which was also boring (fights were very VERY repetitive) and had a VIP feature that could easily create a huge gap between premium players and non-premium. Legacy of a Thousand Suns has no challenge involved (at least in normal difficulty), but the energy system was there to force me to play for like 5 days (instead of 2 hours) for getting a medium badge. Seriuosly, you receive ridiculously low damage while “fighting” (it means, clicking stupid button), if there wasnt an energy system, could finish the medium (and never return) in a couple of hours. And the worst badges: the ones added to Clash of the Dragons. C’mon, how much 5thplanetgames paid to Kong to have these badges added? Just hope its cartoonish clone dont get a hard badge after 1 year.

Among these badges, I would add Vorp! ones and MAYBE Wartune. The others were just throwing at us games that arent worthy, but they hope we spend some bucks on them. I guess they could advertise for these games, but badges werent necessary. Remember, at least 30% of the revenue comes from ads. Badgehunters contribute to Kong loading tons of ads and should be respected not having sucky games throwed at their faces all the time.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:

Originally posted by delosford:

edit: I also find it very funny that people think conspiracy theories are needed for MMOs to be highly-rated. They probably just have a lot of fans that are effectively addicted to them. Frankly I’m kind of surprised the “Pay money for anything? vote 1 don’t play move on” crowd doesn’t outweigh this more heavily.

No need for conspiracy theories, ZShadow has said point blank that PBBGs have the option of putting a trigger extremely early in the game no later than character creation. What this does is that the game rating is based only on people who reach this trigger, so it disqualified people who just rate it 1/5 and move on before the game loads. He did say this also eliminates them from contention for the weekly and monthly contests.

So the “vote 1 don’t play move on” crowd does actually carry significant weight, they just aren’t counted until a PBBG gets badges. Normally there’s a small rating drop when a game gets badges, but when a PBBG gets badges, the rating normally plummets.

I should note that I’m not in the “MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate” crowd, I just accept them as a necessary evil.

Most important tip to me :D

Now, when looking for MMOs to rate 1/5, I will be sure to let it load, and even create a character. Lets do this, everyone?

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:

Originally posted by VforVendetta:

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:

Originally posted by NeilSenna:

I’m so very pleased I’m not one of those dedicated badge-hunter types. Don’t suppose many of those exist nowadays, with all the crap they have to wade through.

Yes, sometimes it really sucks. At least when you do get those annoying PBBG (or Papa’s) badges, the wave of relief that washes over you is extremely satisfying.

I know that feel, bro.
Nowait, I don’t. ;_; I’d have better luck getting those badges for Super Guitar Maniac Deluxe. (thank goodness not many games like that got badged, I fail so bad at them)

Excluding the CotD hard, 40% of my missing badges are rhythm badges… so yeah, I suck at them so much.

Interesting, I suck at rhythm games too. And I curse the very moment I see a new Papa’s, Arkandia, Bloons… (repetitive games) released (how many years until next Mardek chapter? Pseudolonewolf should teach these guys that quality is better than quantity).

In fact, I also dislike how Kong estimulate sequels, any Papa’s or Epic War games NEEDS to be badged, looks like. But at least these games have gameplay and are energy free. MMOs at other hand… All the effort to make you spend your real money, all the time, this makes me crazy.

What could motivate the staff to add this hard badge to CotD? Hard? I have some losses, true, but I win 90% of the time (card games always have luck involved, u know). Looks like the hard part is having patience to wait for energy every 7-8 fights. Purely tedious, I have to agree, Pykrete. This is a shame.

Edit: I wonder if there are more badges comimg to Backyard Monsters, Legacy of Heroes, Berserk Cataclysm, TDP4… you know, the worst possible would be an impossible to Sacred Seasons 2. (Tanks God Tyrant has already 4 badges.)

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Oh my God. Now that Clash of the Dragons thing, which I thought I would never see again, got new badges. Including a hard one. And it involves a bit of playing (at least the game has ‘some’ gameplay) and hours and hours of “wait for your energy bar to replenish”. Oh, wait… did you know you can buy energy refills using real money?

PATHETIC, simply pathetic, there is not another word to describe this try to throw a shameless cashgrab at the badge hunters faces. Kong staff SHOULD be ashamed of this, but, using adv0catus words, I suppose someone met the criteria of being greedy.

Now I officially start to think about quit Kong.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Pykrete:

Just look at the number of gameplays the games have. It means people keep coming back. I know they come back because of the energy system, but it doesn’t really matter.

No, that really does matter. When your number of plays is artificially inflated by entire orders of magnitude by an obstructive mechanic that just repeatedly pulls in the same people over and over, it’s kind of a pointless measure of demand.

If you want a good measure of demand for these games, you’d have to keep track of it by account so as not to count the same small pack of drones hundreds of times.

This remembers me of Backyard Monsters, which log you out after like 10 minutes, and then reloads the entire page if you return, creating a number of “gameplays” completelly false.

I have just got the medium badge for Berserk: Cataclysm. I wonder why this “game” got badges. No gameplay beyond “squad” building and selecting. Then watch the game playing itself, lol.

And now, 2 more sucky MMOs to go, argh.

Im still looking for MMOs in the front page and rating them 1/5. Would we be allowed by the mods to create a forum movement about this?

/ waits for MaistlinRajere screams /

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

I got the medium badge for the Clash of the Dragons cartoonish reskin like a week ago.

And now Im “playing” Ninja Warz. I tried to find something worthy badging there, but I couldnt. There is no gameplay. There is no strategy beyond “bigger number wins”. And, they sell Karma, which you can use to upgrade your army. There is simply no way to compete vs paying players.

Medium badge: torture yourself to level 15. I just stick fighting vs armies I know I can win (like 2 levels under me) to gain 3-5 xp, and reaching level 10 (Im currently at level 9) needs 100xp. Of course, after the fights, my army needs to regain HP (at least its a short time), so you can imagine how interesting is being to play this one. Congrats to Greg and Raw, for creating the most boring medium badge ever. Well, at least before I go to play that Berserk Cataclysm thing (considering the comments I have seen, Im sure is another masterpiece).

But hey! Another week with no MMOs badged xD

(Just in case, Im still looking for MMOs at the “Hot New Games” section to give them 1/5, and suggesting you all do the same.)

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Yes, if 10%+ of the badges added / badged games are MMOs, I think there is an issue. If this number can reach 25%+, than I bet almost everyone that cares about badges will think there is a serious issue. If most of this games are just cash-grab machines, and new skins of older cash-grab machines, well, I think you got the point: there is an issue. Of course, if the badges were too long and frustrating, it would be worse, but this doesnt change the fact that there is an issue.

Although I would like it, I never asked (and I saw no one doing it) for not badging MMOs at all. They should just badge them at a reasonable ammount, like it used to be. I mean, good games, got it? And not promoting all these crappy games just trying to convince people to spend some kreds on them.

Now, let me look for some MMOs to give 1/5 ;o)

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Senekis,

90% of games are reskins? Lol. There is a big difference between being same genre and being a only a skin. Toss the Turtle, Learn to Fly and Burrito Bison are different enough to be different games. The same applies even to MMOs, Card Monsters and Kingdoms CCG are both CCGs where you have at max 3 creatures in play, but there are enough differences.

But Legacy of Heroes and Clash of the Dragons have almost exactly same gameplay. Even the card database looks the same. I can admit its not a problem of MMOs only, I hate when a new Bloons TD (arrrrrrghhh!, I hate these soooo much), or SCGMD, or Protector, or Papa’s game is launched, because I know they will get badges, but even then, there are differences beyond mere graphics. Badging this can only be with the proposal of estimulate people to buy Kreds, and this is a shame.

About originality, the discussion is completely futile. If you want really original games, go play Atari 2600. I have no problem about games that expand and improve ideas gathered from previous games.

The whole thread makes a lot of sense to me. To my eyes, if MMOs ruin the badge hunting experience, they are ruining Kong. Badges are the central feature of the site. If it sucks, Kong can lose a good portion of its most loyal members, the badge hunters. Like I said, I highly doubt all this MMO promotion is going to attract more people, so yeah, with some time, it can make the community thinner. Done, less profit to Kong.

This is what I was talking about all the time, the MMO promotion needs to be at a middle-term, not alike the time I bumped this thread, when we had like 25% of badges recently added being of MMOs. Im even happy because no MMO was badge since then, and this can be a sign that things may be going to normality again, although I hate to look at the featured games and see that Epic War Saga is in there again because of some ridiculously little content added, argh.

Anyway, Pykrete has another good point. There are tons of good single games being ignored, while crappy MMOs are being promoted. I dislike earning points by rating games I have never played, but I feel that I will pay a visit to every MMO in “hot new games” from now, just to give them a 1/5, and I suggest to all MMO haters to do the same. It sucks, surely, but it takes much less time than earn this f*cking medium badge of the Clash of Dragons cartoonish skin.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

Originally posted by xyqtt:

Originally posted by Grumpster:

You’re not forced to play the MMO’s that are advertised here, so why do you need to complain?

Some people enjoy them, and some people don’t. Just because you don’t enjoy playing them, doesn’t mean that they are ruining the site, as others may enjoy them.

Kongregate earns money with advertisment. For advertisment income you need visitors. If the reason why people go to kongrage disapear. The discovering new games and finding games you would otherwise not have found is a big part why people visit this site. But if I get a lot of mmo pushed I don’t want to play I visit the next site on which I can find the games I like. That’s what concerning some poeple. It turned from discovering good games to discovering games we don’t like.

I don’t know about other people, but I have never used the main page news box to find games. Anyone who leaves this site because they don’t like what is being promoted is also likely the type of person who would leave the site for any number of little reasons. No point in trying to worry about people like that, they just go where the wind blows. You can’t control them at all.

People arent supposed to be controled, lol.

Yes, I used to use the main page to find games, specially when I came to the site for the first times, back in 2009 (of course, I dont use it anymore, its completely useless). I think that having interesting games and challenges there could help to attract more fresh people, instead of “new server of game X”. But, of course Kong is not worried about someone that comes, look at the first page and goes out to never return. All this MMO promotion is for the community Kong already has (if the goal was to attract more people, the staff would probably need another strategy). And this goes to my point: a great part of the community thinks that getting badges is fun. If they start to badge crappy games, the site will lose its atractiveness to these people. Remember, badge hunters are also very profitable (ads in each page).

Look, Im not against advertising or promoting profitable games, Im against badging some of them. Legacy of Heroes, for example, is like someone said, a shameless new skin of Clash of the Dragons. Why to badge it? This is the type of thing that makes a badge hunter mad. Why should we play the same thing again? If the devs create a new space skin (probably are already working on something like this), will it receive badges? Why not create a weekly challenge giving an item in that game, or send an in game msg to Clash of the Dragons players saying “our new game is avaliable, why dont you try it?”, or maybe even an ad in main page? Badging crappy games is crappy.

(While I can tolerate all the promotion in the main page, I really think Kong wont attract much more people that way. Why not present some well known high rated games and hot new games in the more visible spot – like, featured games – to try expand the community?)

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Well, sorry for not replying earlier, I was busy getting that hard badge of Epic War Saga. Strange how I used to love EW3, still liked (not that much) EW4, disliked EW5, and hated that EW Saga (the worst one since EW2).

Argh, still 3 multiplayer games to go, no hard badge, at least.

I agree with the last 2 posts.

If I was going to tell you why I usually dislike these games, there are several reasons. I hate how my gameplay is limited by the energy systems, and the more you advance in game, the less you can efectively play. Not considering the fact that in games like Tyrant you need to beat each mission 20 times. I also hate being crushed by another player and having my progress cut down, because this enemy spent 600 bucks and got ultimate deck/army/fleet/whatever. I mostly hate how games are designed to manipulate the player into paying, like, you go to the shop, and there is the ultimate item, which you can buy with gold, after farming for 6 months, OR there is a price in premium currency, and you just need to spend your 100 kreds. Or, this upgrade you are trying to do costs 16 gazzilions of each resource, and takes 12 days to be ready, BUT, you can also pay your 200 Kreds, and wow, GET IT NOW. And when I think about how many good games could be developed with the same effort… I hate these MMOs even more.

But yes, I can ignore these games. The problem is that MMOs are making badge hunting boring. As badge hunters are an important part of the community, kong should try a middle term. Ok, so Z thinks its just a bad month of single player games. Maybe hes right, but I think Kong is even estimulating the production / ads of these. And even then, maybe its time to add badges to some old gems, like someone said.

In fact, Pykrete posted something some days ago that is alike to what I feel about these MMOs being badged:

Originally posted by Pykrete:

It used to be a way for the site to say “hey guys, we challenge you to play this awesome game you might not have seen otherwise!” but now it just feels like “hey guys, we want you to buy stuff from this crappy CCG you were trying your best to ignore!

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Of corpse, there are thousands of non-MMOs in Kongregate. But when we talk about ruining Kongregate, Im talking about ruining the badge hunting experience. In fact, I consider the badges one of the most important things in this site. People tend to play games just because they are badged. Think about a ridiculous badged game, for example, Dog Eat Dog. That “game” has a rating of 2.87, and has been played over 279k times. How many good games you know that have higher ratings, never got badges, and were played less than 50k times?

Sure, there are also casual players, that come to Kong twice in a year. But the badge hunters are also a great profit source to the site. How many ads my browse probably loaded in 3 years of badge hunting?

There are still thousands good single player games I could enjoy. But badge hunting is becoming boring. And this is, in my case, what brought me here again, and again, and again. Before starting my personal challenge of having more badges, I used to play in Armor Games site. And could probably move again, if this MMO flood continues. In fact, I guess Kong will lose a big portion of its most loyal members, which also generate profit.

What Im saying is, MMOs are profitable, but promoting (including with badges) every crappy MMO will also have a negative effect on the community. At other hand, looks like greg and raw are just lazy (maybe they are too busy figuring out reasonable badges for the MMOs, no? – thanks God, no more badges, even the hard ones, like those of Sacred Seasons) about adding badges to single player games. With a few exceptions, just sequels are receiving badges.

Shouldnt we find a middle term? More single games being badged, and just the better MMOs? Others can be promoted by weekly challenge, etc.

(Lol, I imagine a new guy coming to Kongregate 1st time. “Wow, free weekly item in a challenge.” – plays Cargo Bridge 2 (curiously, a sequel). “Now lets see what I got in my Mistery Box… what? An offer to buy in game items for real money?!?! Argh, these challenges suck. Hmmmm, lets see what more we got in these featured games. Hmmm, multiplayer card game, another multiplayer card game, hm, another one, oh f*ck. Hmmmm, this has balloons and monkeys, maybe can be interesting. Hmmm, lets see… arghhh! Premium content! Run to the hills!”)

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Originally posted by bobby71983:

@ Marvaddin, with the exception of one badge, I think the last 50 badges are fine. For the hard Kingdoms CCG badge, I would sooner jump naked into an active volcano. However, the other badges are reasonable and don’t take all that long, even if some of the games themselves suck horribly.

Ok, so you are saying that easy and medium badges for sucky MMO games are ok, right? My point is the same. If its not a good / fun game, it shouldnt have badges. I agree that having easy / medium badges would not really attract the fury of the community, but in most cases, if it doesnt deserves to played at all (until you get something to achieve), no need to badge it.

No one seems to pay attention to my question about the single player games being badged. Kong staff just seems to ignore these games recently, just giving badges to sequels, aaaaaaand, a lot of MMOs. In fact, there is no incentive to new devs to upload their games here. Is Kong going to be a simple cash machine? Im sure Kong is a site constructed around the badges, and wouldnt be 20% of what it is without the badges. Now looks like the staff is just too greedy, and they are going to risk all that is done since 2007 for a better revenue next year. Mate, if they f*ck the badge experience, this site wont last 2 years.

I say, more badges, more games, more genres, less money whoring. Is that ask too much? Give us even some badges of these cash sucker games, just dont give us it all the time, this is not what we are looking for.

Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Ok, maybe its time to bump this. Last 50 badges added:

Action – 9 (4 games)
Shooter – 3 (1 game)
Adventure & RPG – 3 (1 game)
Sports & Racing – 0
Strategy & Defense – 10 (3 games)
Puzzle – 12 (7 games)
Music & More – 0
MULTIPLAYER – 13 (6 games)

Im a badge hunter, level 65, over 2000 badges. I used to have fun getting the damn badges. But this is now changing. I used even to be proud of having all Multiplayer badges. I usually dislike MMOs, but it was ok putting some effort on it every 2-3 months for some new badges.

Hey, whatahell? Now you get badges from a multiplayer game, and there are 3 other badged? Look, recently like 25% of the badges (and games badged) are from multiplayer games. U know, those with energy systems, items u should farm an entire year (or spend real money) to get, etc. Not counting other games that arent MMOs but have anything semi-decent as premium content. Like Bloons TD 327 and Relic of War (Nazi skin of Necronator 2, which used just the name of an once fun game, Necronator).

And what now? Look at Kong front page, hot new games: out of 9, 4 have multiplayer tag, and from the others, at least 1 is probably a “freemium” game, from developers of a game mentioned above. Maybe more. How many of these will be badged?

This is killing my badge hunting fun. Greedy companies are now launching crappy MMOs and freemiums all the time. I understand the profit they generate to kong, so I agree with things like the weekly challenge to suggest players to play them, news in the front page, even some pms to your profile (maybe even the rules changes that made possible to include the “profitable” Tyrant in the best of 2011 quest). Some of the best could even really get badges, but the way it is going recently, its not right. Looks like all crappy MMO and freemium gets badged, to generate profit to the site, and the staff is not even paying attention anymore to the single games. How many were badged that werent sequels or a new skin of an older work of the same developer (maybe with different playability, but same essence, like Knightmare Tower and Burrito Bison, which are both launcher games)?

If these games are “pay to win” type, does it mean “pay to badge” for kong? What the point of having badges then, if they can require money, not skill? Like, I buy everything useful from premium content in Bloons TD. Is the hard badge still a hard?

Dunno about u guys, but all this greed is killing my fun. Beyond that, I seriously doubt even MMOs lovers will play all these games. So why not just choose the best of each genre, like it used to be?

Topic: Time World / Questions from new player

Hello all. Im a new player of this game and would like to have help with some questions, please.

1st, I started playing for the badges. Put a lot of points in command of my heroes, so I could finish chapter 6 easily. Done.

But now Im being crushed in PVP. Looks like the lack of “war” skill. I guess I will need to fire some heroes and recruit new ones. Correct? If so, whats a good proportion of command : war? 3 : 2 is enough?

Another question, how is the emplacement used when you are attacked? You use the buildings of all planets, of the attacked planet, or the highest one? Worth upgrade all?

About ships, Im trying to use 2 types, a greater pile of defensive ships, with armor, dodge, defense and speed (dunno what I should put here), and other piles of offensive ships with Attack, Target, Dodge and Lethality. Something I should change about this?

The part of the game I like the most is the WoH. What classes you guys think are the best of each race? As I will need 5 command / war heroes, Im thinking about 2-3 warriors (good to make AI waste skills), maybe a rogue and a berserker, or paladin. As tech hero I have a deadeye. Should consider a Jester / Hunter? For builder, I have a Seer. Any tips?

Im also thinking about upgrading the skills. I think I will start by the punch, because its initial level is crap. Or should I just remove them and start upgrading sniper and hellfire?

Last question: I have created several bubble gems lv 1. They are used to start raids in bubble world, right? Every time I start a raid I will spend a gem, or I can use the same gem all the time? What are the rewards of this type of raid? Are there gems of higher levels, or I will use the same gems to unlock the other fights of bubble world?

Thanks in advance.

Topic: Technical Support / The Space Game: Missions removed?

I think I should let you know, the game isnt working again. (At least to me, Windows 7, Firefox 12.0)

Its some type of load error, this time the game page is there.

Topic: Kongregate / What happened to Space Game: Missions?

Oh, yeah! Thanks a lot!

And I just got my 17th impossible badge :O)

Topic: Technical Support / The Space Game: Missions removed?

Like said, I would like having my impossible badge, but Im happy giving you guys time to solve the problem. I also hope this is temporary, I even like that game a lot.

Thanks.

Topic: Technical Support / The Space Game: Missions removed?

Hello!

I was playing The Space Game: Missions tonight, aiming to the impossible badge. I had already 14 (out of 21) missions completed on crazy. The badge progress showed when I completed the 15th mission on crazy, and then stopped.

I have completed all 21 missions on crazy, in fact, I had some of the easiest for the last. No badge. I refreshed the page, and didnt take an screenshot, I could do it easily later if the badge wasnt awarded. But I went to Kongregate home.

Looks like the game was simply removed by the developer. The badges are removed, by the way, the medium badge used to be part of Best of 2009 Quest and is no more.

Any info about this? Will it be uploaded again? If you dont know, can you ask the developer?

In the case its not going to be playable again, can I have the badge? Sorry but I didnt find another way to report this, the game page is no more. I suppose you can see my progress up to 15 missions, I also got the hard badge some days ago. In case I need to prove I went further, can I send the save game? In this case, you just need to say me the name of the file.

Thanks in advance.

Topic: Kongregate / What happened to Space Game: Missions?

I can understand about copyright issues and lack of maintenance of old multiplayer servers… but why would someone delete a game like that? You remembered it well, it was in Best of 2009 Quest, so Im sure it had its fans.

And a few hours before I get an impossible badge? Mate, I want to kill these CasualCollective guys. And once I used to like their games.

I will post something at technical support.

Topic: Kongregate / What happened to Space Game: Missions?

This is much more strange.

The badge is still appears in savagewolf badge browser, or badge master, but any try to redirect to game page goes to Kong home. The badges dont appear when you check badges using kong site anymore, you can check it, we now are back to 43 impossible badges. The game also doesnt appear in CasualCollective profile. Its like it never had existed. Badges earned are still in profile, but thats it.

Looks like CasualCollective removed the game.

Topic: Kongregate / What happened to Space Game: Missions?

Well, this looks strange. I was going for the impossible badge tonight, already had 14 missions completed on crazy.

Loaded the game, started to play. Badge progress showed when I got 15th mission on crazy, then stopped. I got them all, no badge. Maybe the progress were not responding, I was sometimes connecting to Backyard Monsters and returning, the chat used to connect normally, but progress wasnt being shown. Then I refreshed the page.

The game is simply not here anymore! WTF?!?!

I didnt got a screenshot, I could easily do it after refreshing the game, if I didnt get the badge, but no game???? Now I cant even get a screenshot.

Anyone knows whats happening? Will it be uploaded again or something? If not, I suppose I deserve the badge. I can even get a screenshot in another site if someone tell me what file to transfer and to what folder.

Topic: Kongregate / Bring Back Kongai Card Challenges!? Discuss

Originally posted by L_Deathnote:

I much rather get bonuses in a few games instead of a card game I can’t stand. I doubt Kongai will get the card challenges back because Tyrant is much more popular.

Something Im sure about this: getting Tyrant hard badges, although its a pain due to energy, repetitive missions, etc, is much easier without these bonus cards, than get Kongai hard badge with a starter deck.

Im also sure about this: nothing will make me play Tyrant again (it has 4 badges already, yay! No badges can be added.).