Recent posts by Marvaddin on Kongregate

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Topic: Kongregate / How many badges you have?

I have 2345 badges just now, a cool number, and 95,7% of total.

Im a kong member since July 2009, and got 427 badges at 2009. At 2010 I got 508 badges, so I had 935 total badges. I got 690 more badges in 2011, so I got to 1625 total badges. At 2012 I got another 511 badges, so my total reached 2136.

And this year, I got just 209 badges. I stopped hunting in January and only returned seriously at July. Also, Im concentrating my efforts at some time consuming ones. Yet, I still have 40 easy and medium badges to get, but Im not in a hurry to have all easy and medium :O)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / FAQ updated!

I believe I should mention that, according to the FAQ "Current challenges are featured under the “Achievements” tab at the top of the page", but in fact just 1 challenge can be found there (we currently have 4 challenges). I miss a lot the easy link to current challenges page we used to have (by clicking the challenge you go to its game page). Or is there still an easy link and I havent realized it yet?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Challenge for Points? C'mon, how about more Kongai cards?

Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by Marvaddin:

No, I dont play it anymore. But completionist as I am, I would like to complete the collection. Also, for people going for the badges, is good to have more cards to use.

Also, I cant see why points would be more attractive. Do you have any reason to point?

Yes. I’m a completionist. I’d like to reach the level cap at some point.
Also, since points and my level are more obvious than my card collection to other users and since I honestly never cared for Kongai (CCGs are just really not my cup of tea) points are inherently more attractive to me.
Also, I don’t think that card challenges will stop. There have always been both kinds of challenges.

Arent there enough badges for you to get points and level up to 65? Maybe you should try more hard badges, most of them arent that bad.

I agree that mixing items from other games with Kongai cards is ok, I just dont understand why make challenges for points, considering that most of the old Kongai cards hadnt been accessible for like 4 years.

I think Kong should just put challenges on unbadged games with API. That way, there would be a temporary boost in ratings, and if the reception is positive, it can help the badging process.

^Now, this is an idea I really like.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Challenge for Points? C'mon, how about more Kongai cards?

No, I dont play it anymore. But completionist as I am, I would like to complete the collection. Also, for people going for the badges, is good to have more cards to use.

Also, I cant see why points would be more attractive. Do you have any reason to point?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Challenge for Points? C'mon, how about more Kongai cards?

For the 2nd week, the weekly challenge awards just points. Ok, we can live with that, but is there a real reason for not giving us the older Kongai cards? There are 46 older cards, and if Im correct, last time they appeared in weekly challenges was late 2009 or early 2010.

C’mon, let me (I joined July 2009) and newer people to complete the collection, can we?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / New badge discussion

OMG, brilliant on all night levels? What was Greg thinking to give it THIS badge? And as a hard even considering all the grinding and the fact you need to play each level at least twice? This is soooo far beyond the another hard badge it could be at least an impossible. This badge S U C K S. Congratz, Greg, you did it again. Why not something like 30 brilliant day + night?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / New badge discussion

Originally posted by adv0catus:
Originally posted by racefan12:

Stop adding badges to games that will be closed in 1-2 years.

I’ve said this before, but there’s nothing that says badges have to be permanent—if the games meet the criteria for earning badges, their lack of permanence shouldn’t affect whether or not they get them.

As well, there’s no real way to determine which games will be gone in a year or two.

Badges dont HAVE to be permanent, but they should. If the badge pool is too variable it would ruin badge hunting fun. Of course, its frustrating having badges you cant achieve.

Of course, there is no way to predict which games will be closed. Look at Backyard Monsters, Kixeye just decided to remove the game and kong had nothing to do. I, myself, would prefer no more badges being added to MMOs, but I know Kong wants its share of premium content sold on these games. Kong will not only add badges to poor games like Dawn of Darkness, but still promote it in main page, spotlights, etc, and even add more badges after a year in a try to ressurect a game (did it to Clash of Dragons and Dawn of Dragons already, and I bet there is more coming).

Very sad that Kong accepts this situation. Once Kong promotion of a game is like its part in a commercial contract, I believe Kong should take warranties of games running for a minimal time (like 4 years), or in a minimal scale (at least 1 server, for example). But who said Kong cares about frustrate its badge hunters or common player which spent real money (and sometimes invested a lot of time) on a game to have it closed 1 year later? It still gets its share for the next game developers will launch after closing this one.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / New badge discussion

Originally posted by adv0catus:

As someone that likes the franchise and previous games, I must say, Zombotron 2 sucks. It’s buggy as hell. The level design is terrible. While some missions were a bit annoying (speedruns, mostly, but that’s just my dislike of them in general) but nice, but they got scrapped. It seemed like the developer added new enemies for the sake of it, to spice things up. As well that dialogue in Level 3, holy shit.

Agreed. Loved other Zombotron games, but this one buggy. AND, too hard. Need to reload your weapon? Try do it whitout being killed by those gunners. It should be a hard badge. I played already for like 3 hours and Im at level 9.

But seriously, more Multiplayer badges? I look at the broken badges list furiously because of these sucky moneygrab machines. Like 90% of non-achievable badges are from multiplayer games. Spent 1000 bucks? Got to level 349? Game will be closed in 2 weeks, boo. Vorp!, Legacy of Heroes (cartoonish skin of Clash of the Dragons which should never been badged), and now Fantasy Online. This in just a few months. Whats the next one? Crap games like Berserk the Cataclysm or Dawn of Darkness (which I seriously doubt have a fan base)?

Stop adding badges to games that will be closed in 1-2 years.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / New Kongregate Version: Name change for Kings & Legends

Originally posted by saneiac:

This update seems to have broken the Kongregate sidebar. I’m no longer getting any badge information from it.

Badge trackers like Badge Master and savagewolf’s are also not working.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Hard Badges

Its fun how this varies to each person. Hexagon wasnt really hard to me. Same to Soul Driver, which is still one of the least awarded badges on Kong.

Im a hard badge collector, I have 552, just 49 to go, and some of these Im sure I will get, things like badges from Gemcraft series, I just need more time invested on them. But I dont see myself getting some of them too. LightSprites, for example. But wanna know whats probably the hardest to me? Moby Dick. Hard to believe how I fail to get a badge that was awarded almost 25k times already. I simply suck at this game.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Broken badges

I believe I should mention that Desktop TD Pro badges are working again. I just got Spawning Grounds Massacre Badge an hour ago, and didnt need to report. I alreadly had other badges, but yet I got a curious message in the Award tab:

“I Know Kung Fu” Badge easy – 5 points Scenario 5 completed – If you already completed scenario level 5 while this badge was having technical difficulties, you’ll need to complete level 5 again. Best so far:

Looks like it can be removed from the list.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Should Kongregate continue giving badges to New Games even if they are all rubbish?

Submarine vs. Aliens
Lost Head
Death Penalty

Some suggestions for old games I would like to see badged. Very good ones, in my opinion.

Thank you, Greg, for digging these games.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

No thanks Marv. This thread is appropriate for MMO lovers, haters, and anyone indifferent to it(that means everyone, by the way). Or are you scared of a contrary opinion?

Yes, this thread should die. We have all long since brought anything new to this discussion. We are all just repeating yourselves now. Like any thread, when there is nothing left to talk about, it should be locked.

ORLY? Am I the one scared of a contrary opinion? Let me check…

Originally posted by bobby71983:

if you dont like them, dont play them. every genre has its good and bad points and it just amuses me when people single out mmo’s. give it up already, you arent getting rid of them.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

well the topic of mmos “ruining” kong is just people who dont like a genre for whatever reason, so since there isnt much to discuss about that, it has been derailed.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This whole thread has made a bigger deal of the issue than it deserved. It was never an issue to begin with.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This thread needs to die already.

Looks like you were the one trying to kill a discussion even before it starts. First and second quotes are from page 1. Scared of a contrary opinion?

By the way, Im not saying MMOs lovers shouldnt post here (can you provide any quotes?). We have other MMOs lovers here, and I never asked them for stop posting. In fact, I showed respect for their opinions, and so they did. My problem is with you only, and not about real opinions, but about trying to kill the discussion. Whats this? Censorship?

Oh, but you can play very well as victim, huh? You can say “I’ll post in any thread I feel like posting in”, so whats the problem if people want to post here and keep the discussion going? You can say “Your opinion has no more or less value than mine does”, so what if people want the thread alive? You ask for respect, but you dont show a minimal respect for other people opinions.

Even if nothing new is brought to discussion recently (which I disagree), this doesnt mean “there is nothing left to talk”. Or can you be sure that someone that isnt even registered in Kong cant bring any new point? And even in this case, people have the right to show their opinion to agree or disagree which something already discussed. What to say for you? The discussion shouldnt have started, heh, and who is scared?

When I said to you to create your own thread:
1st, it was to keep your “censorship” disrespectful comments away. Well, looks like you cant get the discussion anymore. Stop trolling here and be happy.
2nd, when I said I would play the troll there, it was to force you to an imagination exercise: think about yourself in a discussion that is relevant to you and a troll saying “Let the discussion die”, “There is nothing worthy saying”, “Give up already”. I can suppose you wouldnt like (censorship is good for other people, but not for you, right?), but of course you didnt understand it. Ok, now Im aware I shouldnt expect anything smart from you.

That said, this thread will continue, live with that. Its much worse to us live with MMOs anyway. If I think you post something offensive to our right to continue it, I will just report you.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

@ anyone who responded to me.

I’ll post in any thread I feel like posting in, thanks :P

Sure, like other people. So just stop acting like an idiot by saying people to let the thread die or something alike. They wont. Create an MMOs lovers thread and I will go there to say I dont support MMOs everytime someone posts. Fine, huh?

Seriously, if you have an opinion to post, its ok. If you dont, you just looks stupid / arrogant.

Originally posted by racefan12:

Unfortunately, your opinions as to what constitutes a “good” MMO are not what Kongregate uses to judge a “good” MMO—Kongregate goes by the game’s rating.

Well, after those signs of ratings manipulation I have heard about, Im not entirely convinced. “Good” MMO to Kongregate: anything people will spend real money on. On the other hand: I weekly receive a Kong e-mail in my inbox, and in that e-mail I see a list of “top new games this week”. For some reason, usually there is no Multiplayer game there, but lots of other possibly fun games. But why, oh why, most of these never receive badges? I guess some dont have the API implemented, etc, but usually just a few sequels receive badges and others are forgotten forever. Ratings? Kong looks for profit. Only.

Originally posted by wattro:

That said, I haven’t been upset by (or felt Kong has pushed) the MMO Cash-grab vs Regular game balance as of late, so… good job, I think… for now. But when that balance tips towards MMOs, it’s natural that the 99% who don’t want games to slowroll the players’ bankrolls (to steal a term from poker) – and that’s pretty much what’s being encouraged here – will feel slighted that kong doesn’t have their best interests in mind (and they don’t).

Yes, Im upset. The quantity is even ok (mostly because of apocalipse event, I suppose), but about quality… I see it this way:
- quality needed for a regular game to be badge: very very high, unless its a sequel (in fact, being a sequel of Papa’s, Epic War, Bloons TD – ooops, now they have premium content – is almost an insta-badge).
- quality needed for a MMO / freemium game to be badged: average, and even gameplay isnt a requisite.

Originally posted by bjjdude:
Originally posted by adv0catus:
Originally posted by IceWeaselX:
[…]and have witnessed a dev encouraging players to slam the refresh to reach a playcount milestone with a promise of in game rewards if it was reached by a certain deadline.

That developer needs to be reported for fraud.

Cough anti idle cough
Well at least he doesn’t seem to be milking it though

Curiously, this also remembers me of Backyard Monsters. You go to the bathroom, or to the kitchen get some water, anything. If you are afk for 10 minutes, the game will reload the entire page, of course counting it as new play. I doubt Kong staff doesnt know it. I guess they just dont care.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by adv0catus:

The video is too long to transcribe. The basic concepts covered, from memory:

  • Emily talked about how she’s invested a lot of money into figure skating. She compares it to MMOs. The social aspect of it, the competitions/meets/fellow skaters, the “energy system” which is the skating lessons and the equipment expenses.
  • Games are hobbies and a small portion of players are willing to spend significant amounts of money on a game, like they would a traditional hobby. That small paying user base makes up a significant majority portion of the game’s revenue.
  • The more that someone plays a game, the more likely they are to spend money.
  • She advised developers to not shove the premium purchases down the players throat at first. People are very value conscious at first and are more hesitant to pay. As well, like shopping at a new store, the first experience is make or break. Focus on the gaming experience first and the paying players will come later.

She also said that Kongregate had 15 million unique visitors in September and the revenue split between MMOs and advertising is 70% for MMOs and 30% for advertising. I can’t think of anything else significant, or statistics, off the top of my head.

I understand MMOs are hobbies perfectly. If you go to my profile, the “website” there is my favourite MMO. Its a soccer manager game, but I dont like it just because the theme. Its simple, it doesnt require to be on 24/7 and although there are premium features, these are just cosmetic, so I wont have my team (city / fleet / army / whatever) pwned by someone that just spent money. I started to play that game February 2008, so, 5 years ago. AND, Im premium, I spend my real money in this game because I 1) like the features (although they are cosmetic) 2) approve the way the game is developed and want to contribute 3) there is an option to pay without using a credit card (interest rate in Brazil is the highest in the world). I already have my premium bought for next 2 years. Its my hobby.

I can understand some people will like Legacy of a Thousand Suns or Berserk Cataclysm or Ninja Warz for reasons I will never know. I also understand these games generate profit for Kong, and Kong wants ad them. But are these games good enough to be throwed at the common gamer face, and again and again and again? Kong is adding badges to games that dont have a minimum quality, or even dont have gameplay, just thinking in the money that 1% will spend.

Of course there are good MMOs, like Vorp!, that deserve badges, and there are games of other types that dont deserve badges (what was that Boomshine thing?). But promoting (badges included) all these crappy cashgrabs just because of money is ruining my other hobby: badge hunting, which I started in 2009. Why? Because that 1% which spends a lot of money in a game for 2 months and quit is more important than the others that come almost everyday for 4 years and loads tons of ads. Really?

Also some developers arent considering the advice. They are showing their premium content in every click. Just look at Backyard Monsters.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Alisiiea:

I don’t really blame anybody for having an MMO on their site, especially not Kongregate. Kongregate was created for the purpose of everyone being able to play a game they will enjoy, and discover new games and meet new people. I think the reason they allow MMO’s is so everyone can have their needs met, I personally have no feelings whatsoever about MMOs, but I think the reason they’re promoting them so heavily is because it’s what people are into nowadays..

The creators of these games just want everyone to have fun playing their game, and they think that if somebody doesn’t like it, they don’t have to play it. It’s just that type of thing where certain people like MMOs, and certain don’t.

Kongregate would never intentionally promote a game you wouldn’t like so heavily, but a game type the general population is in to. I don’t see any problem with it other than to expand people’s horizons, and besides, it’s not like you can’t play other games on Kongregate.

Yeah, sure. Kong is promoting MMOs, including the crappiest ones, because they expect we have fun, and surely not because they want us to pay real money to play / win. Same about devs, they want everyone have fun playing their games, and in fact, I can just imagine how fun is to everyone having gameplay limited by something like an energy system. [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by adv0catus:

I think people need to take a look at this video to better understand MMOs and the players. It changed my perception, it might change yours as well.

Can someone post a version of the video with legend? I can read and type in English, but Im not really good about hearing.

Originally posted by bobby71983:

This thread needs to die already.

Its ridiculous how you always ask people to stop posting here everytime the thread gets a bump. I assure you no one will stop posting because you asked. Maybe you should create your MMOs lovers thread.

About the recent MMOs, Vorp! was a happy surprise to me. Game is interesting, skills are more important than purchase-able items, and there is no energy system to limit how much I want to play. Games like this one could surely receive badges, as RotMG and Elements the Game. On the other hand, Galaxy Online was awfully boring and looks even unfinished. Fights, for example, take a loooooong (ZzZzZzZzZ) time.Thanks God it had just a medium badge. There was Wartune, which was also boring (fights were very VERY repetitive) and had a VIP feature that could easily create a huge gap between premium players and non-premium. Legacy of a Thousand Suns has no challenge involved (at least in normal difficulty), but the energy system was there to force me to play for like 5 days (instead of 2 hours) for getting a medium badge. Seriuosly, you receive ridiculously low damage while “fighting” (it means, clicking stupid button), if there wasnt an energy system, could finish the medium (and never return) in a couple of hours. And the worst badges: the ones added to Clash of the Dragons. C’mon, how much 5thplanetgames paid to Kong to have these badges added? Just hope its cartoonish clone dont get a hard badge after 1 year.

Among these badges, I would add Vorp! ones and MAYBE Wartune. The others were just throwing at us games that arent worthy, but they hope we spend some bucks on them. I guess they could advertise for these games, but badges werent necessary. Remember, at least 30% of the revenue comes from ads. Badgehunters contribute to Kong loading tons of ads and should be respected not having sucky games throwed at their faces all the time.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:
Originally posted by delosford:

edit: I also find it very funny that people think conspiracy theories are needed for MMOs to be highly-rated. They probably just have a lot of fans that are effectively addicted to them. Frankly I’m kind of surprised the “Pay money for anything? vote 1 don’t play move on” crowd doesn’t outweigh this more heavily.

No need for conspiracy theories, ZShadow has said point blank that PBBGs have the option of putting a trigger extremely early in the game no later than character creation. What this does is that the game rating is based only on people who reach this trigger, so it disqualified people who just rate it 1/5 and move on before the game loads. He did say this also eliminates them from contention for the weekly and monthly contests.

So the “vote 1 don’t play move on” crowd does actually carry significant weight, they just aren’t counted until a PBBG gets badges. Normally there’s a small rating drop when a game gets badges, but when a PBBG gets badges, the rating normally plummets.

I should note that I’m not in the “MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate” crowd, I just accept them as a necessary evil.

Most important tip to me :D

Now, when looking for MMOs to rate 1/5, I will be sure to let it load, and even create a character. Lets do this, everyone?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:
Originally posted by VforVendetta:
Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:
Originally posted by NeilSenna:

I’m so very pleased I’m not one of those dedicated badge-hunter types. Don’t suppose many of those exist nowadays, with all the crap they have to wade through.

Yes, sometimes it really sucks. At least when you do get those annoying PBBG (or Papa’s) badges, the wave of relief that washes over you is extremely satisfying.

I know that feel, bro.
Nowait, I don’t. ;_; I’d have better luck getting those badges for Super Guitar Maniac Deluxe. (thank goodness not many games like that got badged, I fail so bad at them)

Excluding the CotD hard, 40% of my missing badges are rhythm badges… so yeah, I suck at them so much.

Interesting, I suck at rhythm games too. And I curse the very moment I see a new Papa’s, Arkandia, Bloons… (repetitive games) released (how many years until next Mardek chapter? Pseudolonewolf should teach these guys that quality is better than quantity).

In fact, I also dislike how Kong estimulate sequels, any Papa’s or Epic War games NEEDS to be badged, looks like. But at least these games have gameplay and are energy free. MMOs at other hand… All the effort to make you spend your real money, all the time, this makes me crazy.

What could motivate the staff to add this hard badge to CotD? Hard? I have some losses, true, but I win 90% of the time (card games always have luck involved, u know). Looks like the hard part is having patience to wait for energy every 7-8 fights. Purely tedious, I have to agree, Pykrete. This is a shame.

Edit: I wonder if there are more badges comimg to Backyard Monsters, Legacy of Heroes, Berserk Cataclysm, TDP4… you know, the worst possible would be an impossible to Sacred Seasons 2. (Tanks God Tyrant has already 4 badges.)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Oh my God. Now that Clash of the Dragons thing, which I thought I would never see again, got new badges. Including a hard one. And it involves a bit of playing (at least the game has ‘some’ gameplay) and hours and hours of “wait for your energy bar to replenish”. Oh, wait… did you know you can buy energy refills using real money?

PATHETIC, simply pathetic, there is not another word to describe this try to throw a shameless cashgrab at the badge hunters faces. Kong staff SHOULD be ashamed of this, but, using adv0catus words, I suppose someone met the criteria of being greedy.

Now I officially start to think about quit Kong.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by Pykrete:
Just look at the number of gameplays the games have. It means people keep coming back. I know they come back because of the energy system, but it doesn’t really matter.

No, that really does matter. When your number of plays is artificially inflated by entire orders of magnitude by an obstructive mechanic that just repeatedly pulls in the same people over and over, it’s kind of a pointless measure of demand.

If you want a good measure of demand for these games, you’d have to keep track of it by account so as not to count the same small pack of drones hundreds of times.

This remembers me of Backyard Monsters, which log you out after like 10 minutes, and then reloads the entire page if you return, creating a number of “gameplays” completelly false.

I have just got the medium badge for Berserk: Cataclysm. I wonder why this “game” got badges. No gameplay beyond “squad” building and selecting. Then watch the game playing itself, lol.

And now, 2 more sucky MMOs to go, argh.

Im still looking for MMOs in the front page and rating them 1/5. Would we be allowed by the mods to create a forum movement about this?

/ waits for MaistlinRajere screams /

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

I got the medium badge for the Clash of the Dragons cartoonish reskin like a week ago.

And now Im “playing” Ninja Warz. I tried to find something worthy badging there, but I couldnt. There is no gameplay. There is no strategy beyond “bigger number wins”. And, they sell Karma, which you can use to upgrade your army. There is simply no way to compete vs paying players.

Medium badge: torture yourself to level 15. I just stick fighting vs armies I know I can win (like 2 levels under me) to gain 3-5 xp, and reaching level 10 (Im currently at level 9) needs 100xp. Of course, after the fights, my army needs to regain HP (at least its a short time), so you can imagine how interesting is being to play this one. Congrats to Greg and Raw, for creating the most boring medium badge ever. Well, at least before I go to play that Berserk Cataclysm thing (considering the comments I have seen, Im sure is another masterpiece).

But hey! Another week with no MMOs badged xD

(Just in case, Im still looking for MMOs at the “Hot New Games” section to give them 1/5, and suggesting you all do the same.)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Yes, if 10%+ of the badges added / badged games are MMOs, I think there is an issue. If this number can reach 25%+, than I bet almost everyone that cares about badges will think there is a serious issue. If most of this games are just cash-grab machines, and new skins of older cash-grab machines, well, I think you got the point: there is an issue. Of course, if the badges were too long and frustrating, it would be worse, but this doesnt change the fact that there is an issue.

Although I would like it, I never asked (and I saw no one doing it) for not badging MMOs at all. They should just badge them at a reasonable ammount, like it used to be. I mean, good games, got it? And not promoting all these crappy games just trying to convince people to spend some kreds on them.

Now, let me look for some MMOs to give 1/5 ;o)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Senekis,

90% of games are reskins? Lol. There is a big difference between being same genre and being a only a skin. Toss the Turtle, Learn to Fly and Burrito Bison are different enough to be different games. The same applies even to MMOs, Card Monsters and Kingdoms CCG are both CCGs where you have at max 3 creatures in play, but there are enough differences.

But Legacy of Heroes and Clash of the Dragons have almost exactly same gameplay. Even the card database looks the same. I can admit its not a problem of MMOs only, I hate when a new Bloons TD (arrrrrrghhh!, I hate these soooo much), or SCGMD, or Protector, or Papa’s game is launched, because I know they will get badges, but even then, there are differences beyond mere graphics. Badging this can only be with the proposal of estimulate people to buy Kreds, and this is a shame.

About originality, the discussion is completely futile. If you want really original games, go play Atari 2600. I have no problem about games that expand and improve ideas gathered from previous games.

The whole thread makes a lot of sense to me. To my eyes, if MMOs ruin the badge hunting experience, they are ruining Kong. Badges are the central feature of the site. If it sucks, Kong can lose a good portion of its most loyal members, the badge hunters. Like I said, I highly doubt all this MMO promotion is going to attract more people, so yeah, with some time, it can make the community thinner. Done, less profit to Kong.

This is what I was talking about all the time, the MMO promotion needs to be at a middle-term, not alike the time I bumped this thread, when we had like 25% of badges recently added being of MMOs. Im even happy because no MMO was badge since then, and this can be a sign that things may be going to normality again, although I hate to look at the featured games and see that Epic War Saga is in there again because of some ridiculously little content added, argh.

Anyway, Pykrete has another good point. There are tons of good single games being ignored, while crappy MMOs are being promoted. I dislike earning points by rating games I have never played, but I feel that I will pay a visit to every MMO in “hot new games” from now, just to give them a 1/5, and I suggest to all MMO haters to do the same. It sucks, surely, but it takes much less time than earn this f*cking medium badge of the Clash of Dragons cartoonish skin.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:
Originally posted by xyqtt:
Originally posted by Grumpster:

You’re not forced to play the MMO’s that are advertised here, so why do you need to complain?

Some people enjoy them, and some people don’t. Just because you don’t enjoy playing them, doesn’t mean that they are ruining the site, as others may enjoy them.

Kongregate earns money with advertisment. For advertisment income you need visitors. If the reason why people go to kongrage disapear. The discovering new games and finding games you would otherwise not have found is a big part why people visit this site. But if I get a lot of mmo pushed I don’t want to play I visit the next site on which I can find the games I like. That’s what concerning some poeple. It turned from discovering good games to discovering games we don’t like.

I don’t know about other people, but I have never used the main page news box to find games. Anyone who leaves this site because they don’t like what is being promoted is also likely the type of person who would leave the site for any number of little reasons. No point in trying to worry about people like that, they just go where the wind blows. You can’t control them at all.

People arent supposed to be controled, lol.

Yes, I used to use the main page to find games, specially when I came to the site for the first times, back in 2009 (of course, I dont use it anymore, its completely useless). I think that having interesting games and challenges there could help to attract more fresh people, instead of “new server of game X”. But, of course Kong is not worried about someone that comes, look at the first page and goes out to never return. All this MMO promotion is for the community Kong already has (if the goal was to attract more people, the staff would probably need another strategy). And this goes to my point: a great part of the community thinks that getting badges is fun. If they start to badge crappy games, the site will lose its atractiveness to these people. Remember, badge hunters are also very profitable (ads in each page).

Look, Im not against advertising or promoting profitable games, Im against badging some of them. Legacy of Heroes, for example, is like someone said, a shameless new skin of Clash of the Dragons. Why to badge it? This is the type of thing that makes a badge hunter mad. Why should we play the same thing again? If the devs create a new space skin (probably are already working on something like this), will it receive badges? Why not create a weekly challenge giving an item in that game, or send an in game msg to Clash of the Dragons players saying “our new game is avaliable, why dont you try it?”, or maybe even an ad in main page? Badging crappy games is crappy.

(While I can tolerate all the promotion in the main page, I really think Kong wont attract much more people that way. Why not present some well known high rated games and hot new games in the more visible spot – like, featured games – to try expand the community?)

 
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Well, sorry for not replying earlier, I was busy getting that hard badge of Epic War Saga. Strange how I used to love EW3, still liked (not that much) EW4, disliked EW5, and hated that EW Saga (the worst one since EW2).

Argh, still 3 multiplayer games to go, no hard badge, at least.

I agree with the last 2 posts.

If I was going to tell you why I usually dislike these games, there are several reasons. I hate how my gameplay is limited by the energy systems, and the more you advance in game, the less you can efectively play. Not considering the fact that in games like Tyrant you need to beat each mission 20 times. I also hate being crushed by another player and having my progress cut down, because this enemy spent 600 bucks and got ultimate deck/army/fleet/whatever. I mostly hate how games are designed to manipulate the player into paying, like, you go to the shop, and there is the ultimate item, which you can buy with gold, after farming for 6 months, OR there is a price in premium currency, and you just need to spend your 100 kreds. Or, this upgrade you are trying to do costs 16 gazzilions of each resource, and takes 12 days to be ready, BUT, you can also pay your 200 Kreds, and wow, GET IT NOW. And when I think about how many good games could be developed with the same effort… I hate these MMOs even more.

But yes, I can ignore these games. The problem is that MMOs are making badge hunting boring. As badge hunters are an important part of the community, kong should try a middle term. Ok, so Z thinks its just a bad month of single player games. Maybe hes right, but I think Kong is even estimulating the production / ads of these. And even then, maybe its time to add badges to some old gems, like someone said.

In fact, Pykrete posted something some days ago that is alike to what I feel about these MMOs being badged:

Originally posted by Pykrete:

It used to be a way for the site to say “hey guys, we challenge you to play this awesome game you might not have seen otherwise!” but now it just feels like “hey guys, we want you to buy stuff from this crappy CCG you were trying your best to ignore!