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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

Whole new meaning to the term “Head in the Clouds.”

There are really two parts to this, if I’m approaching this accurately. The first part is what we give, and the second part is what we take.

What we give is processing and storage. What we take is terminal access to the “operating system.”

Access is provided to each of us, as users, based on what? Our credentials in the meat-verse? That hardly seems fair. I think the credentials and limits of your access would be fluid and continually monitored, like a wiki. How you access the Collective’s services and what you do with them would be evaluated basically by everyone and this “social impulse” would open doors, or close them in your face.

Perhaps there’s a risk of the Collective being disrupted by popular-but-poor decisions. I wonder what keeps Wikipedia from being overrun by pranksters and belligerent teenagers.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

No wonder the wife left you, and you have little part in raising the the kids. She knows what a huge asshole you are, and the intense rage you have deep down.

@cromagnon My wife died in Afghanistan, Cromagin. I’ve mentioned that before several times. I’m not sure who the hell you think you are bringing her up. I don’t know you, and you don’t know me. You claim you’re some woman in Canada but, Jesus Christ, pull your head out of your ass.

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It’s entirely likely that the collective consciousness would be structured by innovators and young engineers for the sake of progress, quickly followed by capitalists aiming to exert some ownership over certain brain “spaces.” The fight for this control will probably be similar to our fight over today’s internet.

The question is basically “will the collective consciousness be open source?”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United States immigration plan 'country within a country'

Wow. I was rather proud of myself, actually.

It’s a pity you had to reach so low for a response. I kinda expected better of you.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

I’m sorry, did you just call me a “smart ass?”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sleep apnea

Oh, blockquote fail.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

Well, every culture has its high priests… be they religious or administrative or financial or tyrannical, or some combination thereof. They would certainly be in control in the future… I don’t see that changing any time soon. In fact, to a degree I think it’s necessary to have leaders for our survival.

Just like we have executive powers of the mind. These higher functions govern our habits, desires, direction, and make thousands of decisions every single day. Any of those decisions could have catastrophic results if it were left to other parts of our brain.

Neighborhoods. Some are more public than others.

Websites. Some are more public than others.

Areas of the brain. Some are more public than others.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

You’re not going to win any arguments by defining a word with itself.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / people are mucking up my life

There are also school counselors you can talk to. If you’re not comfortable talking to someone in the housing department, or don’t know who (or how) to talk to them, a school counselor would probably be your second best bet.

And speaking for someone that’s been on this planet for a handful of decades, you might just ask the staff person giving you hard time what THEIR advice is concerning your relationship. They may not understand what kind of impact their treatment of you is having on things between you and your girl.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / people are mucking up my life

@doomteen17

I think the picture you describe points a pretty one-sided view on your mutual problem. I bet that if you figure out WHY the staff are acting that way you’ll have a better chance of discovering what you can do so that everyone is happy… especially you and your girlfriend.

If you approach the situation like everyone else is an asshole and you’ve done absolutely nothing wrong, and you’re 100% absolutely convinced, then that’s one thing.

But if there’s a shred of doubt that you’ve knowingly broken the rules, or they are cracking down on you because you are habitually in trouble for all kinds of other reasons, then you need to own that and factor it in to your strategy.

If they’re cracking down for other reasons that you’re not mentioning, you need to find out what those are. If if you find out that you’re guilty of those things, take responsibility. It will go a LONG way in fixing this shit with your girlfriend.

You gotta act fast, too. This situation is going to probably come to some kind of conclusion right away.

Do the right thing, whatever that might mean to you.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

Again, I point to today’s internet as a crude model.

There are virulent programs out there now that search for unprotected data and/or do your computer harm. These are the byproducts of malignant spirits. Our collective consciousness—the internet—stops these things at their destination… the source, the individual responsible is unmitigated. Anyone can put toxic shit on the internet… but the internet users don’t have to accept it.

So too will be a more cognizant and self-referential internet of tomorrow that we can tap into physiologically. There will be harmful entities and agencies. Our sentient internet might need to war with North Korea’s sentient internet. Who knows? Those toxic beings are potential assets when harnessed the right way. We can harness evil!

Perhaps it is safe to say that data—be it from our subconsciousness or elsewhere—is not inherently good or bad but rather what we make of it. When a bloodthirsty child murderer “jacks in” to spread terror and find victims, perhaps we simply file those impulses and justifications accordingly, as a society. The harmful behavioral or emotional scripts that might allow a person to be that crazy are put in a safe place until a time in which they will be useful.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sleep apnea

Woah… your brother is 15?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United States immigration plan 'country within a country'

But wait, Ontario is at war with Quebec, and we had a War on Drugs followed by a War on Terror. Canada had their bloody War on Fashion, of course. (Look it up. Knowledge is power.) Now Canada thinks it’s going to invade Greenland using troops bought from Sandinista stockpiles? It’ll be World War 2.02… mark my words!

Canada’s not all that. Though I do thank them for inventing… ummm…. Oh yeah! Nothing!

Heck, let’s take a look at the Canadian National Anthem.

O Canada!
Our home was native land!
True nambla love in all thy sons we command.
With clogged hearts we eat at Arbys,
Everyone else sucks!
Our butts far and wide
O Canada, we can’t stand the smell of thee.
God, get me out of this place!
O Canada, please get away from me!
O Canada, kill me now so that I may be free!

Amiright?!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

@cromagin Yeah, and yesterday you were vilify the whole concept as being the doom of man. This latest attempt is MORE interesting but it’s too little, too late. (I am dismissing you and your ideas.)

@Implosion
Yes, that’s exactly it. We would each need out core brain functions, of course. Our hearts need to beat. No sense in putting “command central” in charge of motor skills. (But what if?)

We would also probably retain our subconscious and sense of individual identity. But feelings that we currently proscribe to our soul… feelings like faith and love, or even the accumulated pathos of everyday life and ennui… we would probably retain. I see a collective consciousness not be sentient in itself except in that we are all collectively sentient as a species. The collective’s subconscious would be all of our shared subconsciousnesses, but we wouldn’t “share” that identity. We would merely contribute to it each in our miniscule way.

What if our collective subconscious was horrifying? I hold humans in high esteem and keep the view that most people will always endeavor to do what they believe is the best thing. Those that act cruelly and live in fear are rare, and perhaps a collective would dilute those individuals’ poisonous identities into submission. Or would it be a fly in the ointment and pollute the sanctity of the larger good?

We’re probably gonna find that out. We’re sort of seeing it now. If we use the internet as a simple model, we see that one belligerent “terminal” can annoy the fuck out of a bunch of benign ones. Hopefully our collective will can exert some sort of white blood cell at the offending psyches.

I like the typology of thoughts you introduced. That might be worth exploring. How many different types of brain functions are there, and how does our mind separate “ideas” from “memory” or “subjective” from “objective?” We’re certainly not very good at that in our organic beings. Actually, we probably are exceptional at those higher brain functions… but we’re blind to the flaws we each possess.

And if we’re capable of delusion, would our collective consciousness be susceptible to delusion? Or fear? Or depression? Man, that would suck!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

The only thing that flashed through my head was “Dopaminecraft.”

Today’s internet is filled with an incredible amount of information. We cannot access it all because most of it is squirreled away in secure areas or isn’t human-readable. Just considering the stuff we can use and suits our interest, there’s far too much. We are limited by our intellectual bandwidth. We simply lack the capacity to “gorge” on information.

That is an interesting constraint when considering how we might share a consciousness.

We could theoretically coerce our collective consciousness through the stimulation of certain thought patterns and negative stimulus in others. For example, some degree of conflict is healthy… we need conflict in our lives as it creates adaptation and innovation… but too much conflict is a problem. When we are sharing the same consciousness, where does conflict come from? How do we find pleasure?

 
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Topic: The Arts / Pete's art dump

Playing with a new color palette.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

I think that’s absolutely critical, Implosion.

There will likely be a generational phase of development where people can use the collective consciousness, (or the “human library”) at-will and as-needed. That’s kind of like our internet today… you use it when you need it for something, but most of the time you’re not using it. And you may find yourself using in a utilitarian way that impacts an “offline” activity… youtube tutorials, online learning, etc.

Other activities, like games, tend to be immersive. With the development of MMORPGs we immediately saw how powerful competitive and collaborative MMO spaces were as a “hook.” Everquest caused a LOT of divorces, and later so did WoW.

Gaming participation rises as youth and young adults feel disenfranchised from real-life engagement. Fantasy escape COULD be one of the earliest challenges of an immersive collective consciousness and I suspect that we’ll need to develop a better grasp on how we interact with each other and “fantasy space” as things progress.

That is to say, an opt-out practice should be implicit.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

I THINK IT SOUNDS AWESOME!

I mean, clearly there are moral concerns about the nature of “human-ness” and the sense of selfhood… but as a people we’re still struggling with gender identity issues. Clearly we’re not ready for that question yet. With time, perhaps.

I think the idea of augmenting my brain is generally terrific. When I consider the various challenges in my day, it presents a list of opportunities for augmentation to come in and give me a helping hand.

• Sometimes I am feeling lethargic and uninterested in the tasks I know need to be done.
• Sometimes I don’t know how to solve a technical challenge that is holding me back.
• Sometimes I don’t have a vision for the best strategic direction to tackle an complex problem.

These are all moments when I could sure use a little “boost.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

Why is someone else’s self-identity any of your business anyway, cromagin?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

You’re a woman, cromagin, and I call you “he” all the time.

What’s the problem?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Did the holocaust actually happen?

Wait, which troll are we talking about? I can’t keep them all straight.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

I don’t see a different perspective coming from you, cromagin. I see an “easy” position that requires little imagination and UTTERLY misses the point of this thread.

I’m thrilled, however, to see you admit that you cannot fully understand what Athiests feel. It reinforces my view that you have a narrow and limited way of thinking… incapable of empathy and understanding of viewpoints that fall outside of your personal world-view. It’s like living with blinders on… ignorant and short-sighted. To see you “own” this ignorance is a colossal failure in your efforts to be a self-righteous bully.

People are not born with faith. They are born with a proclivity towards spirituality. Faith is a stupid word that can apply to Athiesm as easily as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, or Pantheism. A person may have faith that there is no God, and they may have faith that the bus will arrive right on time. Faith is an incredibly lazy word to use.

But, cromagin, you’re absolutely right in one regard! (Congratulations.) As an Athiest I am happy to NOT discuss religion with you. It’s good that this thread is not about religion.

As a spiritual person, I have “licensed” to discuss issues of spirituality (according to your arbitrary requirements), so therefore you should permit this conversation to continue without your insubstantial contribution.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sleep apnea

25% of Canadians are obese. What’s your point?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sleep apnea

Some people are obese and don’t have sleep apnea.
Some people are skinny and have sleep apnea.
Some people are kind and have sleep apnea.
Some people are mean and have sleep apnea.
Some people are tall and have sleep apnea.
Some people are stupid and have sleep apnea.
Some people are smart and have sleep apnea.
Some people have curly hair and have sleep apnea.
Some people live in Canada and have sleep apnea.

Some people are stupid, mean, and live in Canada and have sleep apnea.
And some stupid, mean Canadians don’t have sleep apnea.

I’m glad we cleared that up.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Joshua "Leelah" Alcorn a Hero?

He’s a hero to some and not to others.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Theoretic Wonders: Man and Machine

He’s just trying to be disruptive, karma.

Here’s an interesting collision between “collective consciousness (CC)” and spirituality that occurred to me this morning.

As the internet—being the closest thing we have today to a CC—is bringing us within easy reach of foreign ideas. We are exposed to them every day that we’re online in any kind of social environment; disagreeable attitudes (like, ahem, some people here), controversial ideas, offensive viewpoints, and so on.

The internet puts these confrontations in our laps where we individually decide to address them or ignore them. If we choose the former option, we then decide HOW to address them… with a conflict model (increasing the confrontation), a conflict-resolution model (reduce the conflict), and so on.

The same will probably be true for the CC of the future. When we share a collective space, there will probably always be ideas and impressions that require management.

It’s kind of like when you’re walking over a bridge and you get a fleeting impression that you could just jump over the side. You don’t do it, and maybe the impulse scares you a little bit, or maybe you find it thrilling. It’s a playful and sinister thought… but you eventually make it safely to the end of the bridge without having jumped.

The internet is kind of like that. It’s riddled with landmines and potholes that we can fall into. We can fuel our addictions, find sexual partners, buy stuff, be entertained, connect with old friends, and share our experiences. All online. And all with other people. And all of it is carefully doled out to us by the internet’s service providers. Those service providers currently have a pretty major influence in how we access and interact with our “collective consciousness.” This presents a problem, it appears, and it’s what this generation needs to reconcile.

This is probably the most sinister aspect of a CC: There will be “high priests” of our CC that seek to exert control over the hive mind. We see it already, politicians and change-makers seeking to sway “public opinion.” And the arena for that is the internet… and tomorrow it will probably be more so.

I suspect we have a collective consciousness today.