
Topic: Forum Games /
[MAFIA] Jacko'Lantern [Day 2 Deadline: 23 Oct Noon GMT][Please replace adv0!]
1) Unvoting darkboy is no defense, it’s simply a must.
2) What did you notice with kadleon? I don’t understand that part
3) BC’s argument was a oneliner. If you’re so easily swayed by those, roflmao.
4) “May not have the balls to vote cocoa”?? Wtf??
And yeah, you’re presenting a few scumtells imo. [vote: urFEAR]






Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Qwerty, yes, but your “pythagoras” is HORRIBLY wrong. You even posted one wrong formula and used a different (but still wrong) one. Also, if you didn’t notice, I just told you why your answer is absolutely stupid.
Lou, I am disappoint. Btw, just saying, Vara pm’d me the right answer shortly after I posted the question.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
And if they divide into two exactly equal or they are smaller than the parent.
About your answer, qwerty, well, it’s wrong. Your formula is pretty wrong. Like, a lot. Even the units don’t match. And it’s quite obvious the answer is bigger than 0.5 meters just to get the excess off the ground (do you need mad mspaint skillz?)
Btw, I could start doing some questions, I have some quite interesting books that have them :3



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Interesting. I saw a pretty tricky question once that was a bit similar to this: there’s a wire fully stretched connecting two cities 400km apart (ignore earth’s circumference). Now you bring the ends 1m closer together, that looses the rope a little bit, so to get it stretched again you decide to put a pole in the middle of the way. How high does it need to be?



Topic: Forum Games /
[MAFIA] Jacko'Lantern [Day 2 Deadline: 23 Oct Noon GMT][Please replace adv0!]
Well, no reason to consider how good was his decision, it was already taken and there’s no going back. So we should move our thoughts to something else, and why not to dark’s previous “questions”: where the hell is cocoa???



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Originally posted by abraaz:
If that person can’t tell the difference between a unicorn and a narwhal they probably have sight issues.
Bbut they both have exactly one horn!



Topic: Forum Games /
[MAFIA] Jacko'Lantern [Day 2 Deadline: 23 Oct Noon GMT][Please replace adv0!]
1. I’m bad at starting conversations, but I’m obviously willing to participate in discussion.
2. I think it’s better to answer this one on D2, not enough time to discuss it on D1.
3. Not really, this looks like a pretty standard setup but with limited shots to the special roles.
4. Not really, other than it being pretty standard with nerfed special roles.
5. I’d rather lynch, since this is close to montainous, but with the lack of discussion I think it’s not going to be possible.
For now [Vote: No Lynch] because deciding a lynch in the last few hours of the day is a pretty bad idea: lynching is supposed not to just eliminate someone, but most importantly get them to talk, and that’s not happening here probably.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
That one was on a physics trivia for me. The house in the South Pole ;)
Of all languages, how and why did you learn Tcl? Btw, am I the only one that absolutely abhors dynamic binding? It’s such a mess! Could you spare me the pain of trying to decompile your code and just say what’s the strategy you’re so proud of in a clearer way?



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
6 is the minimum if you need to be sure you got the dogs, but don’t care about not finding them sometimes. 7 is the minimum if you need to find the 3 fastest dogs no matter which ones they are. Two interpretations of “accurately”, so imo both are valid answers, just the first is lamer. Not that it matters, since the people that got the second interpretation found the answer the lame way (aka guessing and getting lucky there wasn’t a better one).



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
It’s possible you get the 3 fastest, but you can’t guarantee you will. Anyway, I think that can be a valid interpretation, just it’s lame.



Topic: Forum Games /
[MAFIA] Jacko'Lantern [Day 2 Deadline: 23 Oct Noon GMT][Please replace adv0!]
The only reason for a NL on D1 would be if we thought night information was useful enough. That would be just NK patterns and joat’s results, and imo NKs give almost no information, and I don’t think we can rely on N1 joat results this much. Did I miss anything?



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
My post about it being 6 was a bluff, I actually (sadly) found a demonstration that 6 races aren’t enough to get 100% chance of accurately finding the dogs. Then I noticed the possible twisting in the wording, but really I think it’s quite clear that the current intent of the questions now is to provide interesting logicalmathematical challenges, not word twisting ones. Also, the 12 coin problem I mentioned should’ve pointed everyone to the more interesting mathematicall challenge, since the host acted like it was somewhat similar to the current challenge imo.
Btw, one way or the other it’s pretty obvious you can’t make it in 5 races.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
OMG I FINALLY GOT IT. The answer is 6, but the races you have to make are not any pretty on worst case scenarios. I really only got them by making a program that brute forces everything, so mad props to you (and a life save) if you can find it on your own. Someone please find it so I’m not the single crazy guy here?



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Well, these things are really tricky, so I wouldn’t be so sure. The twelve coin problem for example, “There are twelve coins, at least eleven of which are identical. If one that is different, we don’t known whether it is heavier or lighter than the others. The difference is only perceptible by weighing them on scale—but only the coins themselves can be weighed. How many weighings do you need to determine if there is a unique coin—and if there is, to isolate it and determine its weight relative to the others?”. Think for a bit for yourself, find an answer you’re confident on, then search the internet for the actual one.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Pig, are you sure you found THE BEST answer or did you just find A GOOD answer?



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
No, say dog A lost to B on one race and lost to C on another, but you found out that he’s better than every other dog. You then know that A, B and C are the 3 best, but you don’t know if A or B is the best.
Btw, searching on the internet only gives me a bunch of idiots saying obvious upper bounds, but nobody with the slightest notion of actual mathematic thinking to give a lower bound. I hope you’re not one of those idiots, but I’m doubtful, giving the quantity of them versus the complete lack of actual mathematical full answers, and the fact that you don’t seem to know the answer to the question you just made.
And well, I do have a lower bound equal to my upper bound in the ordered case, but the unordered is giving me even more trouble. These ranking problems are always a pain. The fact that the most basic of them is still open does say something about their difficulty.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
We have to find the 3 best ordered or unordered?






Topic: Clicker Heroes /
Primal boss occurrence chance (decent sample size)
You got my attention. I went into the source code, and here’s how it happens:
There’s a generator specific for primal bosses. It just goes using the rand() function they implemented (*16807%2147483647), which means you can think of it as a table with 2 billion numbers. You start at a random point there defined by timestamp, let’s call it “start”. To look up if the boss at level “level” is primal or not, what it does is look at the number at position “start + ascensions + (level – 100 / 5)” (note the fail at PEMDAS there), take it mod 100, and see if it is smaller than your primal probability (25+atman).
So this means that the probability IS being calculated right by the game, the reason that you get apparently unreasonably unlucky is that because the random number it looks is something plus “ascension + level”, there’s a problem with correlation going on: if you’re unlucky this run, in 5 ascensions you’ll get unlucky again.
This also gives a basic luck manipulation strategy: note which runs you got lucky or not, so on a new run you can look the one a multiple of 5 (so 5, or 10, or 15, …) ascensions before and ascend again asap iff it was bad, because you’ll know that the current one is going to be just as bad.
tldr: the reason for the likelihood of your outcome to be so low is that you can basically only get 5 different runs on a save, so instead of 600 bosses it’s like you only found 100 (each repeated 6 times), so that’s not a 1 in 10 million, it’s a bit less than 3%.









Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
By “remaining people” you mean everyone that is not dead or everyone that didn’t shake the dead guy’s hand?



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
A quick google search says the usual horse length is about 8 feet. So 10 feet doesn’t feel so unlikely.



Topic: Forum Games /
Logicathon: The Competition (Round 11)
Originally posted by spikeabc: You make an assumption that has about a 1 in a million chance of being correct
Well then, the probability that the rope isn’t tied to anything would be pretty slim by this logic too.
