Recent posts by Lebossle on Kongregate

Topic: Kongregate / Average Gaming Tournament Redemption!

Also, Chess is incredibly easy to cheat on. There are tons of chess software around, and not even the best human players can beat (most of the time iirc) the best software out there.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Well, I let this go for a bit more than I said I would, but it seems it didn’t make much difference.

Congratulations, ShawnerSSS

What did everyone think of this (more of the idea, in the end it wasn’t so entertaining due to the lack of activity. I may do this on the main forum sometime, maybe it won’t be so bad)?

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

By “Sunday midnight” I meant 11 hours from now. I thought it was well explained on the first post.
So currently Lou is winning, and Shawn must get a score of 9:48.69 on GUR2 to win.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Since you both didn’t answer when you think would be a good time to end the round, it’s going to end at Sunday midnight. And the games are fine, (really, if your opponent didn’t say a thing about it then it is ok).

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Same thing. Though THAT one I don’t recommend. (Well, I’ll spoil this already: you can set a task of “get at least 600 meters” or something like that, so what you want to do is reach that requirement as fast as you can. That would be a little luck based… But it’s your choice. I thought about this possibility when defining the rules, I thought Solipskier could be pretty fun if someone figured that out.)

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Yes.

(If you can get how).

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Oops. Forgot about this, sorry. Got a little bit too carried away.

OK, so now both of you choose a game, I guess since it’s the final you could choose games that a run takes more than 5 minutes too (so up to 10 minutes). Preferentially games where your scoring is your time, so the winner is the one who takes the least time on the two games combined.

I don’t know, what schedule would be best for you?

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Well, round end. LouShawn win with 4:11.28. Sam and Maist are eliminated. The competition ends due to lack of activity. If you both think it should go on for one more round, say on the thread. If no posts are made until tomorrow I’ll lock this.

Topic: Kongregate / Average Gaming Tournament Redemption!

inb4 ToG rind.

I got how the levels are generated, and have images of each one, but all enemies are just a skull placeholder there. If you’re interested, I can post. It’s just a simple random-between-avaliable choice, only there’s a 28% chance of getting the levels from one zone before (unless you’re in zone 7+) (?), and one knight each 2 zones from 5 on. One interesting thing: there are 4 layouts from the battlefield challenge that can appear on zone 7+.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

If you all agree to end this already, I don’t have any problems. This much inactivity (even on my part) isn’t helping the way this is going.

So, the games are Umbross and ButtonX20. Current scores are 6:52.07 to team sammaissterraj, and 9:21 to LouShawn. Round ends on saturday. If you keep on being inactive, I’ll take one life of each competitor (so both on the losing team are eliminated if they don’t post scores).

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Qualifier end
Round 1 end

Results:
Last (eliminated): Woon1957 with 0 points (she didn’t even technically qualify, but ok)
4th: SamsterSamster with 0.3 points
3rd: MaistlinRajere with 1 point
2nd: ShawnerSSS with 1.7 points
1st: LouWeed with 2 points

Results would be more significant if you were more participative.

Round 2
From now on each of you have 2 “lives”: you must be eliminated twice to get out of the competition.
This round it’ll be teams: however, due tothe lack of participants, it’ll be 2v2. Lou+Shawn vs Maist+Sam. Don’t complain, the round 1 decided for you, you were inactive and made it not be significant.
So, you have up to monday to choose a game and up to friday to play it. The best times for each team will count, and will be 6 minutes if you can’t beat the game. The two times (the best for each of the two games) will be added up,and the one with the best total will be the winner, the other will be eliminated.
If you don’t choose another game up to monday, the games will be umbross and ButtonX20.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Just a reminder: today the qualifier ends! And round 1 too, unless 2 more people qualify!

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

BTW, I don’t know how I didn’t mention it before or didn’t notice that I didn’t yet: the lowest scorer will be eliminated. Only. I may implement a double-elimination mechanism though.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Again, if we had more people I think this would get even better than it would be if only 4 or 5 people joined.

Topic: Kongregate / Average Gaming Tournament Redemption!

You must put the IMAGE url on the links, not a random site that contains the image somewhere inside it (programmers are too lazy to search and find which image is the most suitable to use between the ones in that site, really, they are even too lazy to see WHICH images are there). Right click the image and choose “Copy image adress” or whatever it is for you, and use THAT inside !’s.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Due to the lack of participants, I’ll extend the qualifier to the end of round 1, however you must qualify with one of the currently selected games instead of any valid one now.

Round 1 start
Get the best scores you can on Epic Combo, Buttonx20, Redstar Fall and Umbross. Spreadsheet and links coming soon.

You should post your upgrade path on Epic Combo and specific level scores for Redstar Fall too.

Do you think this round should last 2 weeks or 1 week is long enough?

Topic: Kongregate / Synecdoche, Kongregate [Tournament] Fin. Winner is BestMte

The fact that the only players in the Labyrinth were eliminated players, it’s pretty obvious thatthere wouldn’t be much activity there. Specially since there were ONLY the eliminated ones, the others tried to survive the main competition more, specially because the labyrinth rules weren’t released until it was started (so no teams thought about sending some of their members there).
The active players have no way of motivating the inactive ones, unless they know them irl. Really, as I see it, most of the labyrinthians were completely unmotivated because of the unfairness of the team competition, and because of their laziness. They didn’t try hard to steal points, because they had no idea if they could pull it off (remember, they were eliminated soon in the first place), so they had no chance of making such a difference to the team either (5 points for the first place in a game… really?). Even if they did, their only chance was stealing points, which wasn’t so profitable (because everyone they could steal from were inactive, so they had a minimal amount of points), so the only way to make that actually matter would be stealing from directly competing teams, and guess what? The obviously winning team was safe from that! (OK, maybe that could be unpredictable, but thinking about it, giving 10 safe from stealing points each round to each decent competitor wasn’t the best idea you could have.)
And on your calculations I bet you didn’t count ties.

Topic: Kongregate / Synecdoche, Kongregate [Tournament] Fin. Winner is BestMte

I actually found this tournament to be quite succesfull. I thought I’d have the time for it, but classes started midway, so I couldn’t just resign or do something else very stupid (ok, I tried to get kicked out with Love in part, that would’ve been really good for me), and I had only 3 days a week then. If I had more time, I’d probably try out EtRG too, and maybe find the pause abuse, and maybe get a game change or a win there, but idk.

About the problems:
One of the main problems with Kong tournaments right now is that there aren’t many people that are very competitive, which ruins the teams part (it was basically unfair. You could call it almost a “monopoly”). You can see that problem also as inactivity. General tournament protocols are pretty “robust” (there was a canadian guy who spoke these days about 3 of the most common problems of Nash equilibria, there’s where I learned about this, and it’s pretty fun, check it out if you have the time), but the eliminated Labyrinth is not very much. (One of the 3 things the guy talked about was also) Lack of perfect knowledge: some people where playing this as if it was a team tournament and the other two parts were just side competitions (Best), and some were doing the inverse (Maist). The fact that it you were running 3 competitions at once is pretty confusing for most (try betting on a game in 3 ways at once. I can think of no game (in less than 5 seconds) that allows that). And the failed games, well, I’ll have to blame you (except for Lint). The main function of the host is to choose good, fun, and good for tournaments games. If they fall easily to one of the most common exploits and the host doesn’t notice it, it’s the host fault, not “the messenger”’s fault, right? (Yes, I still remember that. <3 u.)

Also, the weight system was really artificial, and provided no balance whatsoever to the team competition. There was no doubt that the team with the best two people would win, had it 4 or 10 in total. If you wanted a competition, you did it wrong. If you wanted an aproximated coalition of the best, you did it right. I think we yet have to think on how a decent team tournament would go, and not just blindly jumping into hosting one. In fact, this applies for any future host: PLAN your tournament, don’t just go signing up without having a pretty good idea of how your tournament will be good, and think if there’s any way of actually doing it without it being a simply major failure (I’m not talking of THIS tournament anymore, if you didn’t notice), pass your turn if you’ve been such a lazy person that you didn’t do your job, and specially don’t start it if you’re that guy.

(Oh god, these days I’m pretty bad with time keeping, so my excessive complaining turn out much more excessive than usual. (Thank T6 a bit for that.)) So, thank you Lou for hosting such a good tournament, it’s probably the one I enjoyed most. Even though I had no time to get good scores, and worried too much because of the lack of time, to the point I didn’t find many of the easiest exploits (ratmaze and EtRG pause abuse, most notably (in less than 5 seconds again)), I liked it a lot. You are also probably the best host on the tournaments I joined (I think all of them eventually got mad at me from so many complaints. But I think it wasn’t just me). And the main reason for me to join this was actually because of you: since you loved many of my game picks for V.O.K., I guessed I’d love many of yours too. And I was right.

BTW, I’m testing another way of competition, check it out .

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Originally posted by AllStarDominatio:

Anybody can enter?

Of course! The more people, the better.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Maist, to qualify you must post a valid task, but I can see why you’d leave to post it at the last moment. (Well, you could just choose the same task as someone else, but there’s a reason to choose your own)

Also, the qualifying tasks are going to be used in round 1, so try using some where you can get an above-average score.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Yeah, but if you wanted you could post a score too, or be more specific (“complete original mode”, for example, but when it’s obvious like this you don’t need to).

Also, sharing your strategy is needed, but you can do it after round 1 starts.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Qualifier:
On this round, you must submit a valid task, and start getting times for it. You have up to the next Saturday to qualify (that is, 04/20).

Round 1:
On this round, you must submit your best times on each of the qualifying tasks submitted (Epic Combo! ,ButtonX20 ,Redstar Fall ,and Umbross ). You final qualifier score will be the sum of your positive normalized scores (your normalized scores will be ( 1+(harmonic average of the times on the task)-(your time on the task) )/(the standard deviation on the task) ).
Your round 1 position will be a tiebreaker on later rounds, and will be used to choose your opponents too, so you should really try your best on it.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

Schedule:
Each round (other than the qualifier) will start on a Friday. You’ll have up to Saturday to choose your game/task. If you don’t, then I’ll consider it being the one you used on the previous round.
Then, up to Sunday there’s a good leniency for game changes.
After that, up to Friday you should have posted your best scores for the round.
(Days end on the midnight GMT. For example, the time this was posted was the end of a Saturday).

Tasks:
Each task should be a speedrunning task on a Kongregate game. Only propose tasks you can do in less than 5 minutes. API is very recommended. The tasks should not be pause or right-click abusable, as well as not much lag-abusable. Also, games that are currently being used in other tournaments are subject to game changes (mainly burrito’s tournamment ) (oh, and now this too).

This last rule is needed because this one is also needed:
You must share all your strategies on your current games with your opponents. Video is encouraged. And there’s no point to make it public. You can also help people on other “groups”.
This is to prevent unfair games from being used (let’s say something like Papa’s Pizzeria, or numberhash). If you think any of your opponents is hiding something from you about a game (that is, they have an impossible score to obtain with your strategy), talk with them privately, then if you aren’t satisfied with that contact me privately.

And, as usual with these competitions, you should not use anything other than Adobe’s Flash Player that may change the game you are playing. If you get too much lag on a current game, you may discuss a game change with who proposed it. (Again, if you’re not satisfied with it, tell me).

Finally, if you and all your current opponents agree, you can do something that breaks the rules (like using a more than 5 minute game, for example). After all, this is an experiment, first of its kind, nothing about it had been thought yet. In fact, if you have any suggestions, please send them to me.

Topic: Forum Games / Co-op Speedrunning Showdown!

This tournament is about everyone trying to get the best times you can, with all the help possible.

Don’t worry about it being me who’s hosting this competition, because I won’t choose a single game!

Topic: Kongregate / Synecdoche, Kongregate [Tournament] Fin. Winner is BestMte

By your logic, Best, you should all play only Hexagon (you go to Hyper Hexagon after 60 seconds there, right? So it’s 60 more seconds from the end game…)

Really, it all depends on what Lou was trying to do with this game. However the fact that he didn’t notice that after you beat the game it becomes much easier probably makes the game have a role much different than the intended one on this final.