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Topic: Heroes of Gaia / [Removed]

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Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Recent pricing errors and bans - official Kongregate statement

Originally posted by celticfairie:

This was posted in Snail forums earlier today:
Greetings,

We understand the situation with Kongregate that occurred over this past weekend is a confusing one, and we want to provide an update with more information.

At this time we are conducting an investigation of every account affected, but have yet to decide on a final course of action. Due to the complexity of this issue, we want to make absolutely sure that the decisions we make are in the best interest of our players and the overall balance of the game.

We have received feedback from many of our players on various issues affecting Heroes of Gaia and while we have not been able to respond to all of these concerns, we do appreciate your input and acknowledge your concerns.

We are investigating these reported issues and working on a resolution for each and every one of them. That said, these types of issues do take time to fix and we ask for your continued patience.

We’d like to thank you all once again for your understanding. Further updates will be provided as they become available.

Thank you.

Thanks for posting this. Having been banned I don’t have access to Snail’s thoughts on the matter. All the more reason why a Snail rep should be in the forum mixing it up with its posters on the subject as well as assisting Phoenix in the Q & A department. Very-very disappointing this hasn’t as of yet happened I may add.

I’m not gonna bullshit. Yes, I was a glutton and bought points for kreds. Approximately 174 worth that I had gotten a few years ago from doing some surveys. The first day I had bought points I hadn’t purchased a single item in the shop. I waited to see if a rollback, Snail mail, warning, whatever you will on the subject, but nothing came. And well into the second day when the Snail/Kong snafu was still up and running and still nothing was said on the matter, I bought a meager 20 lucky chest, and 4 ap packs. And I stopped because, well, it just didn’t feel right. The rest of the points I bought are still sitting in my account where I left them unused.

Between life in general, having one too many jobs and being the carefree sort, I never took HOG as a serious game to be played and mastered like some of those have. Hell, I can’t even remember the last time I had a Saturday off and participated in a freebie silver fest at cap battles. I’m also beginning to think the only real fun I have anymore is arguing with Bart down here in the forums. So whatever verdict Snail deems is appropriate I am fine with. Like I basically said in the other thread, it was fun while it lasted and I wish the next generation of HOG players the best of luck. And while I will monitor this thread from time to time out of curiousities sake just to see how this matter is once and forever settled, I doubt I will post my thoughts here again on the subject. Unless of course Bart really-really proves himself an ass in which I will more than likely pop in and drop an atomic bomb on his nuts.

Mel, Picasso, Totters, thanks for the memories. Please get someone to watch over the French Resistance within the guild. Like I said before, they are very much like lemmings and need constant supervision. CF, Nanners aka milkmaid, thanks for the foreplay. Sorry I didn’t let you two pass second base with me, but I’m saving myself for someone special. And the lot of you others I haven’t mentioned because there’s either too many good names too recall, or because you are asses and not worth mentioning, adios.

OAO

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Recent pricing errors and bans - official Kongregate statement

@mogcabul

The law does not care how you came in to possesion of it.

The law doesn’t care? Where are you from, 1941 Germany?

Every day of the week, people unknowingly buy stolen goods through Craigs list, newspaper ads, pawn shops, etc, but in your world, the cops are standing outside waiting to place cuffs on these people because they are guilty of receiving stolen property. Right. Now lets get back to reality a bit.

It is still stolen unless he gives you a valid reciept for it.

In which anyone who bought points received a valid receipt sent in electronic form to HOG mail via Shop. A letter and receipt confirming the purchase of points through the shop from buyer to seller. I seem to recall getting those. I’m sure everyone who purchased points did as well.

And as I said before, there was no shady deal. When points were bought at the shop, not in “the back” as you say, I wasn’t greeted by Ratso who whispered into my ear, “psssst, hey Mac, meet me down in the HOG forums if you want a good deal on some points.”

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Recent pricing errors and bans - official Kongregate statement

Think about it – if a thief sells you a stolen rolex, and the real owner can prove that it is his watch, you will have to give it back and will not be refunded. And if you pretty much knew that you were buying a stolen watch, you will even be prosecuted yourself.

And with this “sale”, you knew that something was wrong. So just be grateful if you get your money back – it is more than you are entitled to.

Did you have some hidden insight as to any of this prior to Phoenix giving us the 411? Because until Phoenix posted, I for one did not know that a hacker cracked into Kongregate’s security measures, leaving the system vulnerable to the exploitation of purchasing points at a much reduced price for a full 2 days.

And your example of the stolen Rolex scenario only works if the buyer knew beforehand that they were purchasing stolen goods. This wasn’t a shady deal between 2 people in a dimly lit alley. People bought points from a legit business in the legit way that points have always been sold.

So if I walk into a Macy’s and buy a Rolex at a great deal from the person standing behind the cash register posing as the sales person and/or cashier, and are told afterwards by the store owner that I just purchased a stolen item from someone who was posing as a sales employee for the last 2 days, am I suddenly an accomplice in receiving stolen property and placed under arrest?

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Recent pricing errors and bans - official Kongregate statement

And another edit, but why isn’t snail in this forum? This is about THEIR GAME. They should be here along with Kong. The best way for you all to solve this is by communication, and it seems kong is the one communicating, where as Snail is staying quiet because they know they’ve not done crap about any other glitch in this game.

Hear-hear! Exactly what I was thinking. If not for Phoenix, we would be left in the dark with nary an answer, care or concern from anyone in authority. And he shouldn’t have to do it alone either. As you said, there SHOULD be someone from Snail in this forum to read and reply to what is being said! And afterwards, open up a line of diiscussion from its game base to its players. But such an act borders on common courtesy, decency and the right thing to do, so therefore, Snail will do the exact opposite.

And on a side note:

No company can advertise something in the United States of America and say oh sorry you can’t have it at that price. (The laws were changed and they have to honor it even if the company printing the ad messed up).

Now I’m not expecting this to happen, but in the grand scheme of things, this is not only the truest fact of the thread, but the letter of the law. If X promises services or goods stated at a certain price, and Y purchases such goods and service, then Z cannot come back and say, oopsy, that was a mistake, the agreed price for goods and service is not what was originally quoted.

I don’t care who you are. In real life, if you’re buying anything from a bottle of ketchup, to a flat screen television, and the person selling you the item tells you the price tag on the item is a mistake on their part and you have to pay more because you have no choice, you might just go ahead and pay more than the originally stated price, but deep down inside, you know you’re not only right, but have both the moral and legal high ground to stand on.

But at the end of the day what irks me is not getting banned, not the points fiasco, not idiots like Bart, not the piss-poor way this all came about….none of it. What irks me the most is reading the last hastily constructed mass mail from a Snail rep in the game labeling people as violators and cheats of the game exploiting a bug. With the exception of the original hacker Phoenix mentioned earlier, noone here is a violator, cheat or exploited a bug. Did people take advantage of a good thing. You betcha. But they also did a month ago when McDonalds was selling Big Macs and quarter pounders for a dollar a piece. They may be gluttons and heart attacks waiting to happen, but that’s a far cry from being a violator of the fast food industry.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Recent pricing errors and bans - official Kongregate statement

Originally posted by iSpoiler:

Let’s get something straight here, we are not responsible for making sure your website is free from errors. It is not our duty to do your job and inform you when something is amiss. Sounds like a Kong employee should perhaps be dealt with over this crap, not us consumers. Ever hear of false advertising?? You can’t put something out there and expect people to not take advantage of it. 1000 points for 1 Kred sounds too good to be true but there it was in black and white, on your website, published by you, not us. By using the top-up system designed by you the way it was designed to be used gets peoples accounts frozen?? Get Real, accept full responsibility and unfreeze our accounts and find a better solution.

QFT

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Snail Sale or picking up the bar of soap? You decide.

Noone got anything for free. Even at a much reduced price, everything was bought and paid for fair and square. And why would I think Snail reps would not be around to observe what was being openly discussed in global for a full day and night concerning the sale. Snail is a multi-million dollar business and to imply that the game runs on auto-pilot with out any form of human intelligence monitoring its game is just utterly preposterous. I believe Snail reps were there, they were around to see what was being openly discussed, saw what was happening, but didn’t do anything because they themselves (at the time) thought absolutely nothing was wrong and that there was indeed a legitimate sale going on.

It wasn’t till sometime much later, the day afterwards did a Snail rep send out a mass mail saying the pricing system concerning the cost of points was incorrect. And as Irish pointed out, in the mail it said that as of “now” anyone attempting to purchase points would be banned. And like Irish and many-many others I am sure, abided by the mail and stopped buying points. But people got banned anyway. And I resent the fact the that in the mail, it claimed that violators exploited a bug. Noone there was a violator. They were consumers. And even though it is now being claimed as a bug, at the time it was presented and openly discussed in global as a sale.

There was a story in the news the other day about a gas station that set the wrong price on its pumps. 5 cents a gallon. The owner of the gas station knew about it, but was unable to change the price. And for hours and hours people filled their tanks for 50 cents. Now after filling up, were the cops there to slap cuffs on these people and impound their vehicles. No. I wonder why that was. Because regardless of how great a deal it was, a deal due to a pricing error on its pumps, it was still the deal that was advertised from supplier to consumer. To do otherwise falls into shady business practices, false advertising and bait and switch tactics. Noone attempted to call the VIPs running the oil rigs in the middle of the ocean and inquire as to why.

Now I am done with you Bart.

You are naught but a troll. Begone!

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Snail Sale or picking up the bar of soap? You decide.

Thank you Phoenix for the reply addressing the matter. You’re the first person of authority to offer any type of explanation concerning this down here in the pit. Or what you may refer to as the HOG forum. And you’re correct, as I hinted at in the beginning, the price concerning the sale of points just seemed to good to be true. But again, and in all fairness and speaking for myself, this “sale” as it were went on for many many hours. People talked about it in HOG global openly for a full day and night. It was spoken out in the open in global for all to see and read over and over again. The first minute after I logged on I saw others openly talking about the sale in global. And I logged on about 12 hours after the sale had already begun. So was something clearly wrong as you stated earlier, well, apparently so, but in all that time, I found it hard to believe that there wasn’t a single Snail moderator the entire time monitoring global even for just 5 minutes to catch wind of any of this and get the ball rolling to set things right….

And when that doesn’t happen, well then, people begin to wonder that hey, maybe this sale really is legit. There were all kinds of rumors being discussed openly in global as to why there was a sale. Everything from us merging with the Chinese server to it being a Chinese holiday. I’m in the US. What do I know? Regardless of which and from what I saw, there were no cloak and dagger tactics involved by those who participated in the sale. Everything was done out in the open and fully discussed in global. If only there was someone in authority around to hear…

But hey, thanks again for the reply. Vey much appreciative.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Snail Sale or picking up the bar of soap? You decide.

Well if you’re like me, you’ve just witnessed the ole HOG axe come a crashing down and are now watching the head of your HOG account rolling around in the basket.

Reason being was violation of game rules. Apparently, you cannot purchase 1k worth of points for just 1 kred. I know, a helluva deal, but still, a legitimate deal that was legitimately offered through a legitmate system. As far as I’m concerned, noone here hacked, noone here abused a bug, noone here violated game rules. You wanna buy points from Snail, sure. You go to the purchase points interface of the screen and there it is. Purchase 1k worth of points for 1 kred. Man what a deal! Let me jump on this now! Why not? I often see mails in my box telling me of all the wonderful deals Snail has in selling points to its consumers. As far as I’m concerned, this is just another one of those deals.

So you go ahead and start buying points. Why not? It’s a good deal and everyone is doing it and as I said before, it was all done legitimately.

And now, more than a full 24 hours later, accounts are getting frozen because if you bought points under this “sale”, you are cheating and must be dealt with.

To say this is ridiculous or unfair is an understatement. I don’t know what brought on this sale, and I will use the word “sale”, for that’s exactly what it was introduced as, but now players are being punished over it. This is no different than if T-Bone steaks were priced for 25 cents a piece, (whether mistakingly or otherwise), at the grocery store, and then after the customer purchased said product, was branded a thief and escorted from the store by security.

So if this “sale”, was a computer snafu, typo, mistake, whatever you will, then Snail representatives should have been around to make it clear to its players of what was going on, warn people, corrected the problem, etc etc.

Instead, more than 24 hours had elapsed and nary a word was said on the subject. Not one word. Not one warning. Not one raising of the finger to fix, settle or correct the issue. Here, buy my brand new 2012 never before used Mercedes for one hundred dollars. And now that the contract has been signed and I’ve handed you the keys to your shiny new set of wheels, lemme call the police and report you for grand theft auto. This is no different.

And for all that it’s worth, I am not bitter. I’ve had a blast with many of ya over the years. Not all of ya. But every book needs a hefty antagonist or two to make it a good read. I also don’t leave this game with a bitter taste in my mouth. Instead, I wish the new generation of HOG players the very best!

Yours Truly,

Aka Grizzly of Indigo

P.S. My only regret in all of this is that the issue of the matter will more than likely never be addressed by any Snail representative, and will fade away without a single word or iota of information given by anyone in authority on behalf of Snail.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

All in all not a bad day. Between Boss runs and farming I got 31 gems and 51 coins while playing on and off today.

I half expected to hear from you already, but you must be at the good part of the book where the cattle cars are getting loaded up for the gas chambers.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Meh, 6 gems and 9 coins in the first hour. Could be better. Anyway, hope ya had a copy of Mein Kamph around to keep you occupied as you waited for my progress report.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Enough already with the repetitions!
Here, this is what I wrote last time:

Originally posted by BartJ385:

So there is this game which I used to like, but which has quite some flaws. So I stopped playing it. But there are patches sometimes, and so, since I am on Kongregate a lot anyway, sometimes I make that extra click to visit the game and see if anything has changed.
I have no idea what you find so weird about that.

I wrote this only three weeks ago! How short is your attention span?!

So do you have anything NEW to add ?!

So after you called people nuts and insane for playing such a bad game, your ass came crawling back and started another account and started a new game? Welcome to the nut house. Here’s your orange juice and pills. The blue ones are especially tasty. What a hypocrit!!!

You know what, I’m gonna farm and leave you sitting on the sidelines here in the forums. I’ll come back and let ya know how I do. It’s the least I can do because as we all know by now, you can only play this game through watching others. Something, you have more than obviously failed to do for youeself O mighty Chivan with 3 million fame. Now that’s rich!

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Originally posted by BartJ385:

I’m sorry, but you are all nuts. This is just a bad game.

It definitely has a lot of potential, but in some areas it is so minimalistic that you could just as well play ‘Pong’ or ‘Space Invaders’.

So you want your hero to move to a certain position on the map? Sorry, dude, you can’t, you have to send him to spy some nearby castle and then stop him when he passes the point where you really wanted to go. And from there he can only go back home, sorry, he cannot change direction.
If an enemy should happen to pass by, well THEN your hero can attack, but that’s about it.

Oh, and in a battle your troops also can only attack or move backward, you cannot tell them to go to a certain point on the battlefield and wait there.

Also, even though the battles are the central element of the game, they all take place on the same battleground, which is basically an empty hall with no objects. You could just as well have no battlescreen at all – just compare the numbers and announce the winner.

This is just ridiculous, even for a flash game.

This game is not complete, and you people play it anyways – that is just insane.

BTW I am/was Chivan on Hydra. As of now, I am inactive. I am only telling you this so you can see that I am not some 50k-fame-dumbass – I am a played-for-months-and-has-3m-fame-dumbass.

We’re all nuts for playing this bad game, right Bart? You of course don’t play HOG and are the only normal one here, gotcha!

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

And by your own admission, this thread is 18 months old. And what does that mean Bart? That for the last 18 months you have haunted the forum of a game that you don’t play. 18 months Bart! The very game you call people crazy at the beginning of this thread for playing you-yourself continue to sit on the sidelines and spew that we are crazy, or that HOG should be banned from Kong, etc. You know what’s really crazy Bart…you!

Lithium, shock treatment, a psychiatrist or two, all of the above. Seek something to help that twisted mind of yours.

Freakin’ whack job.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it!

A good lesson for some countries to remember. And certain people in particular I might add. (Ahem) And in the grand scheme of things, 18 months is hardly a long time. Especially if one were to compare it to, oh, I don’t know, the actions of Nazi Germany back in the day.

And yes, this thread is very relevant in comparison to the more semi-newer one. It both shows and displays how you don’t have any firm opinion of your own. Your opinion changes with the wind, so long as it supports your current argument…at the moment. You change your opinions, thread titles and everything else you have to just to win a point. God help you if you had a pair and had an actual/real opinion/thought of your own.

I would say more, but you might show concern for my well being once again and have my post removed.

Oh, and on a side note, bragging about your 3 million fame Chivan account in this thread is not only weak, but in poor taste. Any newer player to the game can gain 3 million fame in a few short weeks. 3 million fame is squat and doesn’t remove the player from noob status, as it were. Like I said before, in poor taste, but dignity and self respect were never your strong points.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Originally posted by LoganVexx:

Ha, just as I predicted after I got home I discovered that I got a shiney new mail in my box from a Mod informing me to stop picking on Bart. Didn’t like that last post, did ya Bart. So much for being in control like you were boasting about in the other thread. A crybaby and a coward. The facts speak for themselves.

Yeah, just be grateful I had your post removed; it made you look like an idiot.
I should have left it there for everyone to see.

What’s with the bump?

So I should be grateful because you had my post removed for my benefit and not yours? You’re all heart Bart. It shouldn’t be long now before your gentle acts of kindness get rewarded by a higher power allowing you to turn water into wine and heal the sick with but a touch.

And why the bump you ask? Well in the other thread you asked me if I had anything new to add in which I utilized this thread and explained why I was doing so. But being the ever forgetful chap that you are you must have forgotten once again what I said. Forgetfullness, whether intentional or otherwise seems a common trait that rules your life. I would quote myself of me reminding you what it was that I said, but we both know how my previous reply went. Not at all an unusual pattern for one such as yourself. Troll the forum, get butt-hurt by a reply then cry foul to a Mod. Such is your modus operandi.

Methinks if you are going to troll the forum you should grow some thicker skin, or find a new line of work.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

Ha, just as I predicted after I got home I discovered that I got a shiney new mail in my box from a Mod informing me to stop picking on Bart. Didn’t like that last post, did ya Bart. So much for being in control like you were boasting about in the other thread. A crybaby and a coward. The facts speak for themselves.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / bad game with tons of potential

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Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Ok, enough with the jokes.

You like HoG, you play it every day, and it is the only game you play on Kong.
And you are pissed off that I won’t just leave the darn game alone. I get that.

But this is Kong. Players might spend Kreds and real money on HoG, only to find out that they wasted it on a game where cheating happens on a regular basis and many things don’t work properly.

That’s not ok.

And since you can always play the game from Snails own page, there is really no reason to keep it here if Snail doesn’t want to do anything about the problems.

Again Bart, you shouldn’t be concerned what others CHOOSE to spend THEIR money on. And there are tons of game on Kong where cheats and hacks run amok. You think HOG is bad, check out Epic War Sage here on Kong.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Originally posted by LoganVexx:

I guess that is the problem: you are just a Kong member and not really a HOG player.

Well, yes. And this is the Kong forum. You don’t seem to realize that.

Yes, a Kong forum used by active members of HOG. You don’t seem to realize that.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

No, here is what you said.

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Ok, enough with the jokes.

You like HoG, you play it every day, and it is the only game you play on Kong.
And you are pissed off that I won’t just leave the darn game alone. I get that.

But this is Kong. Players might spend Kreds and real money on HoG, only to find out that they wasted it on a game where cheating happens on a regular basis and many things don’t work properly.

That’s not ok.

And since you can always play the game from Snails own page, there is really no reason to keep it here if Snail doesn’t want to do anything about the problems.

I guess that is the problem: you are just a Kong member and not really a HOG player.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

You shouldn’t be concerned with what others CHOOSE to spend THEIR money on. Whether it be on games such as the this one, or whether they’ve just purchased the new and improved Canadian Mountie Rough Rider strap-on dildo.

And speaking of which and for an additional cost, you and I can purchase the attachment which allows a third party to join in. Just in case you and I want to consider in spicing up our relationship.

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

So your idea of fun is to gain attention from a man who replies to you with posts of a homo erotica nature? See, I knew you liked me kitten.

And the closet door opens up just a little bit more….

Topic: Heroes of Gaia / Heroes of Gaia Hacked

Originally posted by BartJ385:

Two weeks later, still no explanation for his opinion that HoG should stay on Kong.

Two weeks later, still no explanation for his opinion as to why he wants to see long winded replies coming my way. A question I’ve asked you more than once now. You don’t answer my questions, I’m not answering yours either shipwreck.