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Topic: Kongregate / why did new games get harder to find?

it’s no longer in the games drop-down (am I in a split test? i don’t want to be) and I kind of have to click three or four things to get there (go to games, sort by newest)

besides my brains, am i missing something?

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Topic: Kongregate / The epitome of annoying

here, bobby, educate yourself:

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Topic: Kongregate / The epitome of annoying

Originally posted by bobby71983:
Originally posted by trickyrodent:
Originally posted by bobby71983:

I am still curious how you get responses from people who do not talk.

Just because someone doesn’t want to have a conversation doesn’t mean they’re completely unwilling to interact with the site. Clicking a star rating is pretty low-impact. Their goal might not be to see the chat again, but just a willingness to share their opinion.

While that is true, I just don’t really understand how you get any useful information from most of these split tests.

Yes, you will undoubtedly get more ratings per game, but that is because you are telling people that aren’t aware of it “Hey! we have a rating system, try it!” I just think that if you are going to make changes like this, don’t make them split tests, just give them to everyone.

If you want to do split tests, try two different changes to encourage rating at th same time, and do a split test that way. Should be pretty simple to see which is more popular.

that would be silly.

generally, the point of a split test is that you split some people off (group B) from the norm (control group – group A). this tells you the effectiveness of a split test. if you compare two different things without a baseline, then you’re comparing group B vs group C with no understanding how it’s different from your control group (group A)

google split testing if you want to verify this.

btw, in this test, they would be able to tell a few things: do more or less people rate the game? how quickly do they rate the game from the point of starting it? do they rate the game lower/higher/the same? (all vs group A) from this, they can tell if this feature makes sense

the problem with split testing and generating feature choices from telemetry is that often developers don’t understand the true effects of their changes. there are lots of developers that can tell you what the behavior patterns are for players who play their game, but they have no idea why (for example, in a pretend freemium game, users who play for more than an hour are likely to be still playing in two weeks and is 10% likely to spend $20 – the devs have no idea why, but they just know this information correlates to the numbers). imho, this kind of development sucks, and sacrifices the user experience for numbers (hello zynga).

telemetry is great, but only if used well.

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Topic: Kongregate / The epitome of annoying

Originally posted by Tukkun:

Why not add a button like “Never remind me to rate games again”? Solves all problems.

except kong’s. that’s not what they want

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Topic: Kongregate / An interview with Player_03 (Game Developer)!

time is relative, so i would like to point out that no one’s day is going exactly one second per second

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Topic: Kongregate / Enjoying this game?


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Topic: Kongregate / How do you think this site has changed in the last 3 years

Originally posted by oOTrentOo:

The arts section shouldn’t have been removed. And now the profiles look like shit. The pop-up/hover-over shit is annoying and the whole site has horrible moderation now. I guess that’s it lol OH AND THE BETA TAG THING IS GONE

Generally this, plus a couple more things.

All the games suck lately. The rate of good flash games have nearly stopped. Many decent devs have taken to IOS and Android. There’s typically too little money in developing flash games and putting them up on kongregate. (Thus we see Kong push the games that do generate users/money/income – these are the shitty freemium games that most people hate)

Kongregate’s decision making is very much make-money-first. Lately, this seems to be at the expense of the user. This is prevalent in all their decision making and affects how the site has changed. Glad to see someone finally agrees with me on this stupid pop-up / hover-over shit that plagues the site.

Kong has fully entered the state of user-clueless and business-first. This is also evidenced by how Kong staff (rarely) replies to users on the forum. Great companies often have a consistent back-and-forth with their users. Kong staff are often quiet on community issues.

Kong: “Hey, we’re doing split tests!”
Community: “We hate what you’re doing, please change.”
Kong: (silence)

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Topic: Kongregate / [Feature] Kongbot Gameplay Service - Feedback Appreciated!

Originally posted by IAmTheCandyman:

Hey everyone! Thanks for all your feedback on the ______. We’ll definitely consider all of it in making ______ more efficient and more powerful as a gaming _______!

this really must be april fool’s day. i haven’t seen a post like this from kong staff ever ;)

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Topic: Kongregate / What are some badged games rated under 3.0?

bubble sky.. that was funny. i remember playing it thinking “WTF is gerg smoking…” talk aboot phoning it in

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Topic: Kongregate / A way to improve Kongregate.

if moderators are a problem in your online experience, i think you’re trying to have the wrong online experience (or at least, are trying to have the wrong online experience in the wrong place)

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Topic: Kongregate / "Our Predicted Rating for You"

yes, you should be able to disable it. i don’t want kong thinking for me. it’s abundantly clear that kong and i don’t value things the same way.

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Topic: Kongregate / Minimizing chat? Silent chat rooms?

lol, talk aboot overreaction…

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Topic: Kongregate / How fast do you have to be for #1 Kongpanion?

this is probably obvious, but you’re on the internet, which has latency. try jumping the gun by a couple hundred ms.

/no idea if that’s helpful advice

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Topic: Kongregate / Upcoming Badges!

fantastic, greg. good job! :)

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Topic: Kongregate / Official Best of 2013 Quest Voting Thread!

i vote None of the Above.

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Topic: Kongregate / Split test: New navigation!

Originally posted by racefan12:

It makes it hard to remember the layout, and it makes it so the user has to use their eyes to find what they are looking for.

Actually, this is probably the exact effect that they were going for—they want you to have to look around to find things. Why? Because they want you to explore the site and visit pages and games that you don’t normally visit, and having to look around more has that effect.

A very similar example is where large grocery stores and department stores will move all of their items around every couple of months or so—their goal is to try to get you to look at everything in the store, instead of just going directly to the items that you know you need.

The navigation bar is basically “window shopping” for the larger Kongregate site—and the more time you spend window shopping, the more things you’ll find that interest you, and the more time you’ll spend on the site.

(This also probably has something to do with the general site updates every few months even when nothing appears to need updating—the mere act of updating causes people to step back and take in more of the site instead of just being in the routine of mindlessly clicking links.)

I didn’t see this reply, but now that I do, it seems incredibly incorrect and short sighted. That, and the examples aren’t really relevant to each other. But, let’s take a look.

You really want me to look harder to find things? What if I can’t find it? Then I don’t find it. Then I don’t use it. Good planning… See, in a grocery store, you don’t really leave. You’re already there – physically. And if you miss an item, you either go back later, or probably check another store (which you might discover that you like better). Kong is a website… if it’s annoying to use (ask anyone who makes websites how good it is to have a website where you can’t find anything…)…. If you can’t find what you want on a website, you go to other websites. Not being able to find stuff would lead people to having a bad experience and going to… places like AG.

Have a look at your favorite sites… do they move things around just to make you look around for them? Grocery stores rarely move sections around… just products within sections (someone moved the cornflakes down the aisle?). The produce is where the produce is. The deli is where the deli is. What you’re talking aboot is more like “this is the featured item of the day, look at these deals.”

Get my point yet? Am I misunderstanding your reply?

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Topic: Kongregate / [New Feature] Introducing Kongpanions!

are there limitations to how these can be used in games? could a dev lock levels unless you have certain kongpanions? i’m just really wondering aboot the validity of these things, and if they are some kinda gimmick that 99.9% of devs will ignore.

i already no longer like badges (they’ve gone downhill significantly in the last 2 years in terms of quality and quantity, i’ve posted numbers that show this) and i really don’t feel like collecting them, but if games are going to require kongpanions for full access, to be able to beat, etc, then that sucks.

that is my concern

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Topic: Kongregate / Best of 2013 Quest?

S&P is a terrible game that should not be included :)

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongpanions!

will these kongpanions be useful in kongai? LOL

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Topic: Kongregate / Split test: New navigation!

Originally posted by IAmTheCandyman:
Originally posted by bobby71983:

Condense things. A recurring trend I see on a lot of changes is you put very few things in such big space. I rarely have much issue with what you actually add, its just the end product looks so unprofessionally done. Like it was rushed at the last minute.

Make that gray box as small as possible while still having everything in it. You don’t even really need to add or remove things(other than obvious forum links).

See, I really like the look of it spaced out. The fact that we don’t have a ton of text packed into a small space makes it a lot easier to read, and I say that as a guy with rather poor vision.

Originally posted by Tetsuo_Shima:

I’m not part of this split, so I’m going by the screen shots on this first page, but it occurs to me that the ‘recently played’ link is missing from the new ‘games tab’, some others are missing too, but the recently played one is actually a quite useful one. I’d love to see that one make a reappearance, this shouldn’t be hard to achieve, since as pointed out before me, there is an awful lot of open space on that tab.

It’s still there! There’s a list of recently played games just right of center in the Games tab, and the words “Recently played” are a link to your recently played games. :)

No one cares what you like :P It’s what everyone thinks that matters… (i hope you appreciate my tongue in cheek comment).

What i have said 3 times is to make the appearance and organization between all 3 consistent. I don’t know why this is hard to understand. They should all format similarly, not opposite of each other. Notice how the layout of Games and Achievements are flipped? images on opposite sides, link clusters on opposite sides. It makes it hard to remember the layout, and it makes it so the user has to use their eyes to find what they are looking for. Don’t believe me? Look up any UI design reference.

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Topic: Kongregate / Split test: New navigation!

fix the layout, ffs. how can you not see that it’s extremely poor?

/can’t believe i had to link to my own locked threads… kongregate gets worse and worse every day. if it wasn’t for my friendships on this site, i’d not come back.


Topic: Kongregate / Is anyone else fed with with how pathetic Kong has become?

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Topic: Kongregate / Is anyone else fed with with how pathetic Kong has become?

Originally posted by AEBEATIAxSOOKIES:
Originally posted by adv0catus:

Community administrators interacting with the community should be part of their job, not something they try and do in their free time.

Oh ady, you’re finally beginning to understand us. :-]

they really should be involved, and leading the charge, exemplifying the user behaviour they are after.

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Topic: Kongregate / split test : new navigation - make it consistent


can you please make the new navigation consistent in how it appears?

in Games, the pictures are to the right.
in Achievements, the pictures are to the left.
in My Kong, it’s even more screwed up.

can you please make all the similar/hyperlinky sections (Featured/Categories, Badges/Quests, Forums, respectively) so they appear on the same side?



Topic: Kongregate / Split test: New navigation!

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