Topic: Serious Discussion /
Gun issues updates
Originally posted by jhco50:
If you are going to try to use me for an example, you should really get your facts straight. Texas doesn’t have open carry for one. In all states except a few you need a license to conceal carry. Virginia and Arizona come to mind.
Maybe you aren’t all that up-to-date, either. You forgot to mention Kansas…even tho I’ve told you that numerous times. A Kansas law went into effect the first of this month that disallowed any govt. authority to have more restrictive guns laws than does the state. This is why I’m not familiar w/ many state’s laws on gun control…they change so often. I don’t travel much at all any longer; if I do, I THEN find what gun laws are current there.
In states where open carry is legal, you do not need a license.
It would appear that it is YOU
who ought to seriously have some facts
straight. Peruse the open-carry parts…there are quite a few that have restrictions. Even in your state, Colorado, it appears that you don’t know about Denver: “*Legal without permit requirements except in Denver.”
As of 7-1-14, such wouldn’t be possible in Kansas.
Alabama: Open carry is generally permitted. However, open carry in a vehicle without a concealed carry license is prohibited.
Arkansas: Act 746 allows open carry for individuals “on a journey through or across Arkansas,” provided the individual carry has not or does not intend to use the weapon to commit a crime.
California: *Long guns may be carried in unincorporated rural areas where open carry is permitted by local ordinance. In a county with a population of less than 200,000 residents, a permit to carry a handgun “loaded and exposed” may be issued by the county sheriff.
Delaware: Open carry is generally permitted. Local prohibitions in effect before July 4, 1985 are not preempted. City of Dover requires a permit from police chief or a state concealed permit to open carry. This was not preempted and is the only known non-preempted carry law.
District of Columbia: Open carry prohibited.
Florida: Open carry of firearms is generally banned except open or concealed carry is allowed for without a license under 790.25 for certain protected places and activities. Exceptions include in the home, place of work, hunting, fishing, camping, gun shows, or while practice shooting and while traveling to and from those activities.
Georgia: Open carry of handguns prohibited without a valid license issued under O.C.G.A § 16-11-129.
Hawaii: By law, Hawaii is a Licensed Open Carry State, but…
Illinois: Not legal
Iowa: Iowa issues a “Permit to Carry Weapons” that is necessary to carry a firearm. Firearms may be carried open or concealed. Concealed carry is more typical in Iowa, but open carry is not uncommon.
Maine: Open carry is generally permitted without a license, but may be restricted by local governments with laws in place before July 15, 1985.
Maryland: Open carry is technically permitted with a concealed carry license, but is not generally practiced.
Massachusetts: Open carry is legal in some areas with a concealed carry license but generally is discouraged by law enforcement.
Michigan: Open carry is generally permitted. Open carry in a vehicle is permitted only with a concealed carry license.
Minnesota: May carry openly with permit to carry. A carry permit also allows for open carry of long guns.
Mississippi: The “HB2” Unlicensed Open Carry Law went into effect July 1, 2013. [hence why I don’t try to stay current unless necessary].
Missouri: Missouri does allow open carry of firearms for those age 18 or older. However, city, county, and municipalities are allowed to pass laws and ordinances restricting this. 5
It is advisable to check local laws and ordinances before openly carrying a firearm within Missouri.
Nebraska: Open carry is generally permitted, but may be restricted by local governments. For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be clearly visible.
New Hampshire: Handgun open carry without license except in a motor vehicle.
New Jersey: Open carry is allowed only with a permit to carry a handgun and is generally not practiced except by security officers and others who carry firearms on duty.
New York: Open carry is effectively banned under state law. *However some counties (such as Delaware County) will issue permits to open carry, but not concealed carry. Licensed handgun owners have been known to open carry in that county.
North Carolina: Open carry is generally permitted, but may be limited by local governments.
North Dakota: Open carry of long guns is generally permitted. Open carry of a loaded handgun is permitted only by individuals with a valid concealed weapons license. Non permit holders may carry one hour before sunrise till one hour after sunset provided the firearm is unloaded and in plain sight. [what good is an unloaded gun?]
Ohio: Traditional open carry state. Restrictions in motor vehicle.
Oklahoma: Concealed carry of loaded handguns permitted; open carry became lawful with permit as of November 1st, 2012. Unlicensed public carry of unloaded handguns and long arms by persons eligible to possess firearms is allowed under some circumstances. [Oklahoma is one of the most red-neck states in the Union]
Oregon: Oregon is a “shall-issue” state for residents. Technically sheriffs “may issue” licenses to non-residents of contiguous states however, in practice most county sheriffs either adopt very restrictive criteria for issuance to non-residents or simply refuse to issue licenses. Firearm carry is prohibited by ORS
166.250, however this law does not apply to Concealed Handgun Permit holders (see ORS
Pennsylvania: Unlicensed open-carry everywhere except Philadelphia or in/on a vehicle.
Road Island: Open carry of handguns is permitted for only those with a carry permit issued by the attorney general. Open carry not permitted for those who’s handgun carry permits were issued by local authorities.
South Carolina: NOT
South Dakota: Open carry is generally permitted. For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be clearly visible.
Tennessee: Open carry of loaded handguns is permitted for those who have been issued a license to carry.
Texas: Not legal
Utah: Open carry of unloaded handguns and long guns is generally permitted without a permit.
Virginia: a “county or city may by ordinance make it unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway within such locality.”
Washington: Open carry is lawful in Washington without any permit. Open carry of a loaded handgun in a vehicle is legal only with a concealed pistol license.
Wisconsin: If carrying openly in a vehicle, it must be “visible to ordinary observation” in order not to be considered concealed (needing a license).
As is obvious, such a mish-mash of laws is why I have no interest in staying current on the various laws. I familiarize myself as needed. It is my understanding that carrying of guns in a vehicle is largely restricted because law enforcement agents don’t want to approach vehicles where guns are readily available.
But, like most gun laws, all this does is regulate those who do observe laws. The criminal has no intent of observing the law.
Your problem with using me as an example, even when I am not in your delusional argument, is lack of knowledge about what I know and the limited information you know.
But…you definitely know how limited my information is?
I think the list of states that don’t have or regulate open carry shows what YOU
Sure, you can look up whatever you want on the internet, known for it’s shortcomings, and find something to say what you want it to. It just doesn’t mean it is legit.
Sez the man who supplied us w/ huge amounts of net-info about guns & other far-right shit.
You are doing the same ignorant chants that all liberals make, with the same lack of knowledge, and the same we hate the constitution attitude.
liberals are alike; and they hate the Constitution.
not realize how fucking nutty that shit sounds?
The reason I very seldom come on here is because I can’t debate with a bunch of people who, lets admit it, have no real knowledge of what they talk about. I understand many are kids and many have been brainwashed, I just tire of the rhetoric. Now if you can drop the pretense of knowing everything about everything, you might have a more varied venue of ideas. Shoot (pun intended) I might even discuss once in awhile……maybe.
Oh, I have no idea who this Salina is and your link is a bit incorrect.
Salina isn’t a person; it is a town.
Tell me how the link is incorrect.
I live 30 miles south of the incident.
Oh shotgun barrels are hardened and tempered or they would blow up in your face. The are not case hardened or hardened to a brittle state, hence the annealing process. If you recall they warn not to shoot modern shells in a Damascus barrel for just that reason. A shotgun barrel can be cut with a hacksaw…
I clarified all of this. But then, YOU
are the expert that knows all about what I know. LOL
…but keep in mind the pattern is very wide and it will tear an arm up when shooting up.“Contrary to popular belief, shortening the barrel of a shotgun has little effect on the spread of the shot, unless the barrel is made very short. Small Arms Review Magazine conducted a test in February 2008 in which they cut down the barrel of a shotgun a little at a time, firing it and recording the velocity (with slugs) and spread (with buckshot) after each shortening. With a 30” barrel, the spread was 10" at 15 yards. 24" barrel, about 11". 18" barrel, 8" of spread. 12" barrel, 12.5" spread. And with a 6-7/8" barrel, 17" of spread."
If you would pull your head out, you just might get the drift that we are talking about a sawed-off being used for CLOSE-in shooting for personal protection—as that w/ a hand gun. I certainly wouldn’t take either one for Quail hunting.
Have YOU ever shot a sawed-off?
Did you take the time to educate yourself by watching this link I provided?
Do you not know that SOME handguns also have bad-ass kicks
Anyone up for some deer hunting
Magazine limits a good idea?
Some guns not “available” to average person; but can be had by those willing to “pay the price” (talking about criminals here). That is fucking SEMI-auto. So, let’s drop this shit about FULL-auto being so horrible.
I might also add, a sawed off shotgun is not easy to conceal. Even our small pistols and revolvers are not all that easy to conceal. Not to say handguns can’t be concealed, just not all that easily. Bulge here bulge there, you know.
And yet, thousands of concealed carry ppl manage to do so…imagine that.