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Topic: Serious Discussion / A Way To End All Crime

Originally posted by Kasic:

Yes, I am. If we fully understood exactly how our brains worked and were able to analyze them you could predict people’s responses. Nurture (environmental influence) affects us by both causing physical changes developmentally and by providing us with experiences to refer back to.

You bring up a very interesting point that I see as being a “bridge” between the nature & nurture camps. However, I’m leaning much more into the physical-feeding-of-the-body aspect of nurturing that the life experiences factor.

Those life experiences are typically a function of complex firings of the synapses in the brain (don’t judge me too harshly here, vika…lol). Most all of what WHO we are is an encountering of external influences that are then stored in the brain….a brain which is directly a huge influence of genetics.

However, from the very moment that egg plants itself to the uterine wall and begins FEEDING from it food/nutrients/poisons the mother’s nutritional system is providing, that new organism is now being influenced by issues that are more “chemical” in nature essence than life experiences.

But, if one is to believe the concept of playing music for the natal-child as having influence, then even that form of external experience can be seen as affecting the activity of the organism. However, it is doing it, in part, because of the chemical reactions to it within the brain…. endorphins (happy brain-chemicals).

My “bridge” of how nature of nurture (basically: body nourishment) is having a current huge effect on who/what we are.

We are pretty much a huge cauldron of very complex chemicals doing even more complex interactions. When we started fucking around w/ Mother Nature so we could have a Better Living Through Chemistry, we probably opened a combined closet of Pandora’s Box, Victoria’s Secret, & Pee Wee Herman’s Playhouse and began a wild game of chemistry Russian roulette w/ our bodies.

This is not to say that we haven’t been exposing our bodies to various substances of “ill repute” for a looooooong time. But, I’m saying that all of that was pretty much NATURAL in nature form. It’s been the boon-0-chemistry that has sent our bodies on a downward/upward spiraling wild ride of brain-chemistry-chicanery.

Highly influential chemicals are found in our everyday life….added to food/water, added to our skin, breathed in, etc. I’m astounded that our marvelous bodies are able to cope as well as they have. Sadly, some of us aren’t able to do as well as others.

And, some of this coping is both a factor of nature & nurture in that doctors prescribe “MEDICINES” that are supposed to help “stabilize” our brain chemistry….(mood elevators…anti-depressants…etc.). Doctors trying to fix genetic brain fuckups and those caused by bad environment.

Damn, someone roll a doobie….I’m depressing myself here. LOL

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Bad times versus bad memories

Sometimes, “living it up” is good and is a lot of fun.
But, it often means that you then have to “live it down”.
Living for the moment tends to forget that those chickens can come home to roost at a later moment.

Another way of putting the moment: A moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.
Sin in haste; repent for a long time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

To follow up my RANT, I want to inform you, jhco, that nobody is seriously trying to take your guns from you…not me, not Obama, not any right-thinking American. Yes, there are those who think that if no guns exist…there will be no gun violence. Well…DUH.

But, there will still be violence. It will be done to innocent ppl. These ppl have the rational right to self-defense from those who seek to harm them. But seriously, beyond that, just how likely is it that “the govt.” is wanting to become tyrannical to the point we need military-grade weapons? I’m much more terrified by the religious right chipping away at our basic human freedoms. I’m mortified that we now have the rich getting richer while the poor (and most of us) get poorer on steroids and utterly fucking up our economy.

What is sorely needed is some serious cracking down on illegal selling/transference of guns to Lord-knows-who. We need to do whatever-the-fuck we can think of to eliminate as much opportunity for idiots to get their hands on and use guns in a criminal manner as we can reasonable do.

When gun organizations so imbue themselves w/ righteous indignation w/ trumped up fears that their guns are going to be ripped from their homes & hands, then there can be no meaningful dialogue about how to make serious reductions in gun violence. And, do it w/o opening the door for criminal violence of other natures to be foisted upon an innocent society.

jhco, it is called balance…it is a compromising of those differences of opinions/needs which I speak of above that come w/ a diverse society. This is necessary so that a workable, middle of the road solution as is humanly possible can be wrought, by hearing from ALL factions/ideologies involved; and, we can then turn our focus to OTHER issues that are actually having a much greater negative impact on our society.

Rome is burning and the gun nuts are playing a loud, petty staccato on their out of tune/touch violins.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

Jake-0, I started this thread so we could discuss GUN ISSUES…updated ones.
If you can’t stay on topic, perhaps it is YOU who is demonstrating the type of issues which just might be what is wrong w/ America.

Your rants are delusional, paranoid masterpieces of bigotry & hatefulness.
Yes, the U.S. has some serious problems ATM.
However, is it not possible that those very foreign entities that you so fear just might be the ones behind all this distorted disinformation you so eagerly gobble up…because they know how to lace their poison w/ just the right amount of shit that tastes soooo good for those so blind that they will swallow most any story? Do you not recognize AGITATORS when you see/hear them?

I’ve told you many times about the smoke-&-mirrors game the wealthy play by hiring mouth-guns to tell us crazy shit who we won’t notice how much they really are fucking us. But, for some reason, you just can’t manage to see the truth in that. You are like the guy who is addicted to gambling and isn’t able to see that the house always wins in the long run. The rich are the true source of the huge woes America is now (and always has) suffering.

I’m NOT a “liberal”.
I’m a REALIST who well understands that I share the U.S. & the world w/ a host of other ppl that have some very different views….yet have every right to hold them….as long as they aren’t usurping mine. This doesn’t mean there won’t be some conflict because of these differences and our need to share that which we don’t own.

Do you not share the road, the grocery store, most any manner of public venue? Do you not realize that a lot of those ppl you meet driving on the road have opinions that are quite different than yours? YET, we all somehow manage to keep things civil and cooperative. Imagine that! Until you learn how to live among those who are different than you; there will never be any peace in your life. You will be in a constant state of agitation…..BECAUSE YOU ALLOW IT. Hell, it appears that you even work at nurturing it.

But, I’ve observed a lot of small claims court proceedings. One thing the judge often points out is: “yes, you have been wronged by the principle of it. However, what are your actual damages. I can’t award you anything you haven’t lost.”

So, tell me jhco, just what is it that YOU are personally losing here? How have all these issues you so luv to rant about directly impacted your life? Do you ever experience your fellow citizens where you live driving badly; and that directly impacts your life & property? Obama isn’t behind that. It is just the way life is when you so closely share a lot of it w/ other ppl.

Until you learn that these differences are going to exist, you will always be able to manufacture a hateful dislike….be xenophobic. Not all that is different than you is inherently bad for you.

Is this the way you want to spend the balance of your life….shouting into the wind? If your ideology is so righteous, why isn’t it the one which is leading the country? You remind me of the child who isn’t able to accept that the game is over and he lost. Your expectations of what you want your life to be isn’t actually happening (mid-life crisis?) and you appear to not be able to cope w/ it. How is that working out for ya?

I learned long ago to do what I can about what “bothers” me; and then, move on….don’t agitate what has been accomplished by grinding on it ad nauseam. Otherwise, you will NEVER be happy w/ your efforts in life. All you are doing is hating yourself because you couldn’t do the impossible.

Yeah…yeah, I know. I am far afield of the topic myself.
However, by addressing this shit you so often fling and the reasons I believe you do it…I just might perform a miracle and give you some peace for the few good years you have left. Failing that, I hope I can help you find the courage to stay on topic and not unload bunches of irrational shit all over a thread.

Have you not noticed a “theme” that permeates a lot of the rebuttals to your posts? Are you not able to open your mind just a crack and be the brave, righteous, Constitution-abiding man you so tout yourself to be so that you can give some of the criticism/advice leveled at you—about both your ideologies and the manner in which you share them—some reasonable consideration…instead of merely responding like this?

I’m right, but what are you? I’m right, but what are you? I’m right, but what are you?
The difference is that you have your pat answers about what ppl are who are different/disagree w/ you. You go into rant-mode and blame everyone ELSE for the woes of the world. “I’m right, and therefore you are wrong”

If you will notice the title of the thread I’ve made, you will see it is about UPDATES on gun issues. If you aren’t able to do anything other than bloviate your standard rhetoric about the Second Amend., damn liberals & Obama gutting the Constitution, illegals, Gays, gangs, and all manner of things you can actually do so very little about…..AND, that don’t actually directly affect you—then PLEASE refrain from derailing this thread.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Jury Slams tobacco company with 23.6B in damages

Yup,
while there is something to be said for the heinous lying the tobacco industry has done over the years;
and, add to that their blatant efforts to appeal to kids…even babies?;
I’m just not in sympathy of adults who—when I was young, cigs were called “coffin nails”—who truly knew better and chose to smoke
anyway….and, EVERYWAY.

Cigarette break for entertainment

At one time, cig packs came w/ “stamps” that you saved up to redeem for merchandise.
The joke was that you were saving up for an iron lung…..and
Today, ppl get to drag around a bottle of oxygen.

Them fuckin’ activist judges.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Religion - subproblem.

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Religion - subproblem.

Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by yeasy:
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Bad times versus bad memories

    This is where the masochistic angle comes in…via perception of the implied conditions of the choices.

    One man’s steak is another’s hamburger. For me to partake in the “game”, I’d greatly need to know, in words that I would use to describe the conditions w/in the options so that I would know, in a high percentile, exactly what was involved. As I said, I’m not willing to buy a pig in a poke.
    Fools do this and often the result is that they are some weird entertainment for the guy w/ the pig wearing lipstick.

    Not all masochists are fools;
    pretty much so, all fools are by default somewhat masochistic.

    Fools usually don’t need to be “forced”. They merely need to have a good politician spouting delicious rhetoric telling them how much s/he loves them in order to get their vote so s/he can go to the Capitol in order to fuck them over.

    So, a year of have golden dreams spread out before the populace;
    then, 4 years of utter torture.

     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Bad times versus bad memories

    Originally posted by Cocklecarrot:

    Would it not also be masochistic to choose a year of misery?

    If that was the only “reward” that was different than typical.
    Remember, your premise is that each year would be superlative.
    Therefore, it becomes a trade off.
    Opting for the LAST year to be the good one; AND, it is the ONLY one remembered renders the bad one as an easily endured payment because of the ultimate payoff of a lasting great memory.

    My point about that POSSIBLY being somewhat masochistic is that, by comparison to a more typical life, one might have strong regrets for ever have seen the city lights (hard to keep the boys on the farm after they see gay paree). For some ppl, opting out of your game entirely might be the best for them.

    Your conundrum would fit nicely as a Twilight Zone episode.

     

    Topic: Serious Discussion / Should we give children guns to protect them from school violence?

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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Religion Outdated?

    Originally posted by yeasy:

    Ah, I’m going to start new topic. Roger out here & see you there.

    You made just a claim.
    It won’t be a fact of thesis until you do it.
    Russell told me this over a spot of tea from his kettle.
    nuub out.
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Bad times versus bad memories

    Then, where is the question on this choice?
    Only a masochist would want to remember a horribly bad experience.
    If so, I’m very willing to help…I’ll steal his car.

     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Religion - subproblem.

    Okay, I’m flagging this piece of shit.
    If enough others do so, it will get the mod’s attention just that much faster.
    Please…PLEASE, do not feed the troll’s ego any further by making a post—JUST FLAG.

     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are pro lifers so against childrens welfare?

    Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

    discuss how pro-lifers dont actually care about children and are just immoral sociopaths trying to force their way on all womyn ever.

    Even Eve?
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / A Way To End All Crime

    Originally posted by champion17:

    Sadly not everyone will always come together for the greater good.

    HEY NOW.
    There is bumper sticker that will sell millions.
    We can probably form a whole new religion based on that thought.
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Bad times versus bad memories

    Originally posted by Cocklecarrot:

    Assume we have the technology to implant totally credible artificial memories, like in Total Recall. Which of the following two options would you choose, in relation to next year (2015, at the time of going to press). Bear in mind as well that your memory of having made the choice will be erased, so whichever memories you’re left with, you’ll believe to be genuine.

    1. You spend the year in an amazing place, doing fulfilling and enjoyable work, meeting great people, eating well, etc. But on your return home at the end of the year, your memories are overwritten with those of a terrible year, doing boring and unsatisfying work, meeting nasty people, eating crap food, etc.

    2. You get the afore-described terrible year in reality, but afterwards, you get the artificial memories of the afore-described amazing year.

    Ya really ought to clean all of that up a bit.
    It is somewhat confusing & contradictory.
    I’m hearing:
    1st year is an IMPLANTED memory (of a good year).
    it is then “overwritten”…..what does that mean?
    Are we talking about yr. one being erased?

    If an “afore-described terrible year” is REALITY, how can it be an ARTIFICIAL memory?
    Do you mean that for all intents, the artificial memory is so good that it is taken to be “reality”?

    I’m assuming that whichever year is the second one will be the only one remembered?

    In that case, why would anyone want to end up w/ shitty memories?
    Something you left out is what vika brings up as the REMINDERS of that first year which will “linger” in the forms of what was left behind in the real world.

    Or, are you saying that the body during this false memory won’t be real time?
    That it will be only a few minutes (of “download” time) and viola…you now have “memories”?
    Which is it?

    This sounds somewhat like: good news—bad news; which do you want first?. Take your pick of the links.

    Overview (click on the link for a better read. I don’t know why it copied this way)
    Giving bad news can be anxiety-provoking. When faced with a bad news delivery situation,
    people may use prosodic techniques such as mixing good news with the bad. In these events,
    people may ask, “Do you want the good or the bad news first?” In this study we examined
    whether news order has affective, cognitive, and behavioral consequences. Participants
    completed a personality test and received fake results in either a ‘good then bad,’ ‘bad then
    good,’ or ‘bad only’ order. Participants completed questionnaires about how they felt about
    their results and chose whether to watch a personality improvement video. Results revealed
    that news order has consequences. People who received good news last reported better mood
    and appraisal of the results. Additionally, people who received bad news last reported greater
    intentions for behavioral change and were more likely to watch the improvement video. Our
    findings suggest that there is no correct approach to delivering news and that instead newsgivers
    should consider the optimal outcomes for the recipient. To buffer negative affect they
    should relay good news last, but if the goal is behavior change then ending with bad news may
    be best. Our findings have important implications for the bad news delivery process and its
    consequences between news-givers and recipients.

    Something else you failed to make clear: do we have any idea at all, beyond just great & terrible, what the options are going to be like? Buying a pig-N-the-poke is a little stupid. I don’t mind that I would remember only the last choice, I just want to know what it will be in a lot of realistic possibilities. Hell, if it is going to be implanted memories, I’m taking it that “they” already know what they are going to be. They damn well best let me know an decent overview; or, NO DEAL.

    I’m quite fine w/ my flip-flopping (almost daily) from terrific to terrible events in my life based on the “reality factor”.

    Have you given any thought to what happens beyond the implanted memories?
    Say, after a year of bliss….then your shitty, mundane (by comparison) life unfolds.
    THAT would seem like the beginning of the horrible year.

     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / A Way To End All Crime

    Originally posted by jim_vierling:

    jim, it appears you are looking at human nature in a much too limited & defining manner.
    It is: the general psychological characteristics, feelings, and behavioral traits of humankind, regarded as shared by all humans

    Are you going to deny we all have some forms of commonality?
    I guess ya do. LOL
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    The so-called “human nature” argument is moronic. There is no such thing as “human nature”. If there was such a thing as human nature then all humans would possess it and all would then act in the same manner.

    I’m guessing that you are inferring we do so ALL OF THE TIME?
    Now then, THAT is moronic.
    However, I’m happy that ya want to disagree w/ a host of ppl who “believe in” human nature.
    I guess your doing that is just…..well, is human nature.
    .

    Any so-called human nature would be a result of genetics.
    AND nurture….maybe?
    .
    Genetics produce what you are not who you are.
    A host of psychologists & geneticists seem to disagree.
    .
    The only ones pushing that genetics produce who you are are the ones that don’t want to take responsibility for their choices and want to say that they were born that way.
    You mean like….THOSE DREADFUL GAYS?
    .
    If there were such a thing as human nature then identical twins/triplets/etc. would have to act the same way as their genetics would cause them to.
    Don’t know much about those twins/trips (and whatever “etc” would be); any testing done on them….do ya?
    But, what part of NURTURE are ya not familiar with?
    .
    By the way, saying that it is a result of human nature would be trying to do away with the idea of independent thought and telling people to just accept that there is nothing that they can do about it.
    NO…that really isn’t what human nature is.
    Look at it as more like that it predisposes someone to be PRONE to behave in a GENERAL manner.
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    What separates humans from the other species of animals is the ability to use higher reasoning and/or logic.


    If every single human came to the same conclusion or answer to something, but they did so by themselves using reasoning and logic they are still individuals.

    So?
    We are separate from lower species;
    we CAN come to some SAME conclusion or answer to something…..WHAT?; do you seriously think this WILL HAPPEN?
    And, do you seriously believe there is all that much truly INDEPENDANT reasoning & logic by “individuals”?
    We are much more of a “pack/herd” mentality (by nature) than most of us would like to admit.
    .
    Just accepting things without thinking about them, i.e. faith, or doing things just to join the crowd, i.e. pop-culture, or blaming things on genetics are all things that are taking away from being an individual.
    So?
    It is done by the shit-loads…on a daily basis…by a huge number of ppl…in varying ways…to varying degrees…w/ various forms of humor & sadness.

    Here’s a tiny secret about “human nature”: it abhors individual thinking. Such scares the shit out of the “tribe”.
    .

    Yes, it is possible to eliminate all crime. It is not a high probability, but it is possible. You just have to get all humans to use their ability for higher reasoning.

    FUCK.
    I’m kicking off a write-in campaign to elect YOU as POTUS.
    YOU have got yer shit to—ge—th—er.
    YOU have a great ability to spout rhetoric that ppl will gobble up….
    ya know, things like: if you are willing to work hard enough, YOU CAN BE ANYTHING in America you want to be.
    Just be sure to use your higher reasoning;
    that thing we all have that is utterly equal amongst us all;
    because we are a rational, reasoning, higher species.
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Religion Outdated?

    Originally posted by Kasic:

    Why are you still bothering with yeasy, Vika?

    Awww…we’re just playing w/ him.

     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Religion Outdated?

    Originally posted by yeasy:

    My goal is not making any claims. Just proving flaws in your claim.

    Aren’t you able to see that claiming someone’s claim is wrong is….well, a claim?
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

    Originally posted by jhco50:

    If you are going to try to use me for an example, you should really get your facts straight. Texas doesn’t have open carry for one. In all states except a few you need a license to conceal carry. Virginia and Arizona come to mind.

    Maybe you aren’t all that up-to-date, either. You forgot to mention Kansas…even tho I’ve told you that numerous times. A Kansas law went into effect the first of this month that disallowed any govt. authority to have more restrictive guns laws than does the state. This is why I’m not familiar w/ many state’s laws on gun control…they change so often. I don’t travel much at all any longer; if I do, I THEN find what gun laws are current there.
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    In states where open carry is legal, you do not need a license.
    It would appear that it is YOU who ought to seriously have some facts straight. Peruse the open-carry parts…there are quite a few that have restrictions. Even in your state, Colorado, it appears that you don’t know about Denver: “*Legal without permit requirements except in Denver.” As of 7-1-14, such wouldn’t be possible in Kansas.
    Alabama: Open carry is generally permitted. However, open carry in a vehicle without a concealed carry license is prohibited.
    Arkansas: Act 746 allows open carry for individuals “on a journey through or across Arkansas,” provided the individual carry has not or does not intend to use the weapon to commit a crime.
    California: *Long guns may be carried in unincorporated rural areas where open carry is permitted by local ordinance. In a county with a population of less than 200,000 residents, a permit to carry a handgun “loaded and exposed” may be issued by the county sheriff.
    Delaware: Open carry is generally permitted. Local prohibitions in effect before July 4, 1985 are not preempted. City of Dover requires a permit from police chief or a state concealed permit to open carry. This was not preempted and is the only known non-preempted carry law.
    District of Columbia: Open carry prohibited.
    Florida: Open carry of firearms is generally banned except open or concealed carry is allowed for without a license under 790.25 for certain protected places and activities. Exceptions include in the home, place of work, hunting, fishing, camping, gun shows, or while practice shooting and while traveling to and from those activities.
    Georgia: Open carry of handguns prohibited without a valid license issued under O.C.G.A § 16-11-129.
    Hawaii: By law, Hawaii is a Licensed Open Carry State, but…
    Illinois: Not legal
    Iowa: Iowa issues a “Permit to Carry Weapons” that is necessary to carry a firearm. Firearms may be carried open or concealed. Concealed carry is more typical in Iowa, but open carry is not uncommon.
    Maine: Open carry is generally permitted without a license, but may be restricted by local governments with laws in place before July 15, 1985.
    Maryland: Open carry is technically permitted with a concealed carry license, but is not generally practiced.
    Massachusetts: Open carry is legal in some areas with a concealed carry license but generally is discouraged by law enforcement.
    Michigan: Open carry is generally permitted. Open carry in a vehicle is permitted only with a concealed carry license.
    Minnesota: May carry openly with permit to carry. A carry permit also allows for open carry of long guns.
    Mississippi: The “HB2” Unlicensed Open Carry Law went into effect July 1, 2013. [hence why I don’t try to stay current unless necessary].
    Missouri: Missouri does allow open carry of firearms for those age 18 or older. However, city, county, and municipalities are allowed to pass laws and ordinances restricting this. 5 It is advisable to check local laws and ordinances before openly carrying a firearm within Missouri.
    Nebraska: Open carry is generally permitted, but may be restricted by local governments. For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be clearly visible.
    New Hampshire: Handgun open carry without license except in a motor vehicle.
    New Jersey: Open carry is allowed only with a permit to carry a handgun and is generally not practiced except by security officers and others who carry firearms on duty.
    New York: Open carry is effectively banned under state law. *However some counties (such as Delaware County) will issue permits to open carry, but not concealed carry. Licensed handgun owners have been known to open carry in that county.
    North Carolina: Open carry is generally permitted, but may be limited by local governments.
    North Dakota: Open carry of long guns is generally permitted. Open carry of a loaded handgun is permitted only by individuals with a valid concealed weapons license. Non permit holders may carry one hour before sunrise till one hour after sunset provided the firearm is unloaded and in plain sight. [what good is an unloaded gun?]
    Ohio: Traditional open carry state. Restrictions in motor vehicle.
    Oklahoma: Concealed carry of loaded handguns permitted; open carry became lawful with permit as of November 1st, 2012. Unlicensed public carry of unloaded handguns and long arms by persons eligible to possess firearms is allowed under some circumstances. [Oklahoma is one of the most red-neck states in the Union]
    Oregon: Oregon is a “shall-issue” state for residents. Technically sheriffs “may issue” licenses to non-residents of contiguous states however, in practice most county sheriffs either adopt very restrictive criteria for issuance to non-residents or simply refuse to issue licenses. Firearm carry is prohibited by ORS 166.250, however this law does not apply to Concealed Handgun Permit holders (see ORS 166.260).
    Pennsylvania: Unlicensed open-carry everywhere except Philadelphia or in/on a vehicle.
    Road Island: Open carry of handguns is permitted for only those with a carry permit issued by the attorney general. Open carry not permitted for those who’s handgun carry permits were issued by local authorities.
    South Carolina: NOT legal
    South Dakota: Open carry is generally permitted. For open carry in a vehicle, the firearm must be clearly visible.
    Tennessee: Open carry of loaded handguns is permitted for those who have been issued a license to carry.
    Texas: Not legal
    Utah: Open carry of unloaded handguns and long guns is generally permitted without a permit.
    Virginia: a “county or city may by ordinance make it unlawful for any person to transport, possess or carry a loaded shotgun or loaded rifle in any vehicle on any public street, road, or highway within such locality.”
    Washington: Open carry is lawful in Washington without any permit. Open carry of a loaded handgun in a vehicle is legal only with a concealed pistol license.
    Wisconsin: If carrying openly in a vehicle, it must be “visible to ordinary observation” in order not to be considered concealed (needing a license).

    As is obvious, such a mish-mash of laws is why I have no interest in staying current on the various laws. I familiarize myself as needed. It is my understanding that carrying of guns in a vehicle is largely restricted because law enforcement agents don’t want to approach vehicles where guns are readily available.

    But, like most gun laws, all this does is regulate those who do observe laws. The criminal has no intent of observing the law.
    .

    Your problem with using me as an example, even when I am not in your delusional argument, is lack of knowledge about what I know and the limited information you know.
    But…you definitely know how limited my information is?
    I think the list of states that don’t have or regulate open carry shows what YOU know.
    .
    Sure, you can look up whatever you want on the internet, known for it’s shortcomings, and find something to say what you want it to. It just doesn’t mean it is legit.
    Sez the man who supplied us w/ huge amounts of net-info about guns & other far-right shit.
    .
    You are doing the same ignorant chants that all liberals make, with the same lack of knowledge, and the same we hate the constitution attitude.
    Yeah…Yeah, ALL liberals are alike; and they hate the Constitution.
    Do YOU not realize how fucking nutty that shit sounds?
    .
    The reason I very seldom come on here is because I can’t debate with a bunch of people who, lets admit it, have no real knowledge of what they talk about. I understand many are kids and many have been brainwashed, I just tire of the rhetoric. Now if you can drop the pretense of knowing everything about everything, you might have a more varied venue of ideas. Shoot (pun intended) I might even discuss once in awhile……maybe.
    Pot-kettle-black.
    .
    Oh, I have no idea who this Salina is and your link is a bit incorrect.
    Salina isn’t a person; it is a town.
    Tell me how the link is incorrect.
    I live 30 miles south of the incident.
    .
    Oh shotgun barrels are hardened and tempered or they would blow up in your face. The are not case hardened or hardened to a brittle state, hence the annealing process. If you recall they warn not to shoot modern shells in a Damascus barrel for just that reason. A shotgun barrel can be cut with a hacksaw…
    I clarified all of this. But then, YOU are the expert that knows all about what I know. LOL
    .
    …but keep in mind the pattern is very wide and it will tear an arm up when shooting up.
    “Contrary to popular belief, shortening the barrel of a shotgun has little effect on the spread of the shot, unless the barrel is made very short. Small Arms Review Magazine conducted a test in February 2008 in which they cut down the barrel of a shotgun a little at a time, firing it and recording the velocity (with slugs) and spread (with buckshot) after each shortening. With a 30” barrel, the spread was 10" at 15 yards. 24" barrel, about 11". 18" barrel, 8" of spread. 12" barrel, 12.5" spread. And with a 6-7/8" barrel, 17" of spread."

    If you would pull your head out, you just might get the drift that we are talking about a sawed-off being used for CLOSE-in shooting for personal protection—as that w/ a hand gun. I certainly wouldn’t take either one for Quail hunting.

    Have YOU ever shot a sawed-off?
    Did you take the time to educate yourself by watching this link I provided?
    Do you not know that SOME handguns also have bad-ass kicks
    Or

    Anyone up for some deer hunting
    Or
    Magazine limits a good idea?
    Some guns not “available” to average person; but can be had by those willing to “pay the price” (talking about criminals here). That is fucking SEMI-auto. So, let’s drop this shit about FULL-auto being so horrible.
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    I might also add, a sawed off shotgun is not easy to conceal. Even our small pistols and revolvers are not all that easy to conceal. Not to say handguns can’t be concealed, just not all that easily. Bulge here bulge there, you know.

    And yet, thousands of concealed carry ppl manage to do so…imagine that.
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

    Originally posted by champion17:

    A gun is a tool. Misuse that tool and suffer the consequences.

    This is my gun, this is my rifle.
    One is for fun, the other is for killing.
    I hate when I confuse the two.
     
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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Religion Outdated?

    Originally posted by yeasy:
    you’re too dense to understand the evidence
    … dense to understand the evidence
    … understand the evidence
    … the evidence
    evidence

    Woah, hoah. Where is your evidence then and how it implies thesis?
    Your paraphrased thesis: “religion in some form will return eventually”

    Assuming “Humans are wired to believe” doesn’t imply you thesis.
    So what does?

    Y-easy; Y-not?
    I’m beginning to see your “problem” here.
    There appears to be a failure to communicate; likely do to various reasons.
    Not excluding your simply being a hard-headed, obstinate, can’t-be-wrong kind of a guy.
    Let me know how that works out for ya in life…
    or NOT.

    ev·i·dence [ev-i-duhns]
    noun

    1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

    2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.

    3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
    verb (used with object), ev·i·denced, ev·i·denc·ing.
    4. to make evident or clear; show clearly; manifest: He evidenced his approval by promising his full support.
    5. to support by evidence: He evidenced his accusation with incriminating letters.

    You are confusing evidence w/ proof-positive or proof beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Evidence can show good or poor SUPPORT for a position.
    It usually takes OVERWHELMING evidence to come close to having a PROOF.

    Where do you think the word evident applies to evidence?
    1. Readily seen; visible.
    2. Readily understood; clear or obvious.
    syn. apparent: Appearing as such but not necessarily so; seeming.

    It would appear that even the simplest of concepts is somehow quite difficult for you to grasp as being made plain or clear; a good indication or sign; a strong likelihood. If you would drop all of this thesis shit and start discussing the issue w/ an iota of rationality, a lot of this would begin to become EVIDENT to you about simple human nature actualizes. Something which you are working awfully hard to deny when it a particular behavior is applied to the most basic of behavioral activities of a tribe.

     

    Topic: Serious Discussion / Parallel Universes

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    Topic: Serious Discussion / Parallel Universes

    I have a bumper sticker that sez: In my other universe, I’m rich, handsome, and have a large harem…(and sure as hell don’t drive a piece of shit like this one).