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Topic: Serious Discussion / GOP and DNC

I don’t understand how Kasic can say: “The differences [of the two parties] are almost entirely social, not economic.”

Esp. when the GOP is so in bed w/ the wealthy …. which is what is causing the huge economic divide … which is directly responsible for most all of the shortcomings involved in social programs. I would include infrastructure in “social” programs. A large amount of society is drinking lead in Flint due to pipes that need to be replaced.

Am I missing something here?
Doesn’t follow the money still have impact?

BTW, this is a great thread. We’ve long-time have kicked around the various positions of the political spectrum … just never a side-by-side comparison like this.

Quick, tell me who this is.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / turkey call russia "non-seuorsly country"

A really great reply, Frosty.
Just know that we’re dealing w/ an OT alt.
Check out most any of his 85 posts since less than 24 hr “joining”.
Several of them deleted.
Others should be.
All of them just stupid, short, nonsense quips.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

Wheels for evil

I’d venture to guess that the light bulb idea for the wheel happened when man used round logs to roll something along. Just take out matter in the middle to create an axle and there ya go.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

Originally posted by vadermon:


Originally posted by n8crow:

II support gay marriage. But oppose gay adoption. I don’t like them, but if they can marry they’ll stop whining. But gay adoption is wrong. Its a 90% chance the child will grow up gay and also imagine the humiliation they have to face when the kids at school find out they have 2 gay dads? It seems unfair.


I’ve adopted 5 kids. All straight. Doing great in school.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm….. your profile says you are 22 y.o.
I didn’t realize it was that easy to adopt FIVE kids.
In fact, I had always heard the process to be lengthy and difficult.
And, why “straight”?
Is there any significance to that?
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

jhco is a bit myopic when it comes to seeing the true source of manipulation of our society. He believes it is the “gumment” doing it when, in truth, the govt. is only a tool of the wealthy to enhance their control over others. A very few corporations hold tremendous control over our food supply & processing.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / if there was another world war would you fight in it?

Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by Kasic:
.This is exactly why our countries let in the muslims, hoping no harm will befall themselves…

I rather think the reason we “let the muslims in” is because a majority of us (slim majority) don’t wish to be bigots and hypocrites.

Then you will be a victim.

“We” are already “victims” of radicalized, far-right wackos who think the American flag should be flown upside-down daily.

Why is the US Flag diplayed [sic] Upside Down?
“The upside down U.S. flag is an official signal of distress. It is not meant to be, and is not officially recognized as any type of disrespect when so displayed for the right reasons. To the contrary, here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress:
THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976

§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

Most individuals who have served in the military service of our nation will (or should) recognize this signal.

As a result of the many traitors and enemies we as a free people have, both foreign and domestic, as a result of the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against US citizens and their life, liberty and property, and as a result of policies that have allowed (and continue to allow) enemies of this nation to enter in large numbers through a porous border policy, I believe the life, liberty and property of US Citizens are in dire danger and distress."

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Any good Book suggestions?

I think it says a lot about a man that is attracted to strong women … as opposed to guys that want to be controlling; in whatever degrees.

I’m not talking about a dude that wants a strong woman to fight his battles for him
My wife, my friend has my back (and I hers) to form a team that is formidable.

It’s a bit like the song “16 Tons”: one fist made of iron; the other made of steel. If the left one don’t get you, the right one will.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Black Students: "Give us separate but equal segregated dorms!!"

If a person has little serious knowledge of their “enemy”, their reactions to it are likewise limited. Refusal to entertain a good observation is foolishly self-imposed bias of some nature. Listening to objectional ideology is, at the worst, a waste of your time. At best, well …. isn’t that one obvious?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Black Students: "Give us separate but equal segregated dorms!!"

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

The schism, as I see it, on college campuses in regards to race is the variance between hostile environments that make a person feel ostracized and the subjugation of free expression.

When those two co-exist — and they co-exist all the time — it can be a vibrant, intellectually charged environment.

The resistance, onlineidiot, is not overt white supremacy but rather inert white indifference.

Nicely stated.
However, I’d say it goes much further than just college campuses.
Look at our election process.
Look at how we allow ourselves to be enslaved by the wealty.
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Damn, I forgot that Oregon is a part of Texas.
Bomb, if your parents can successfully burn, who is to say those ranchers in that area can’t?

and, c’mon … “burned out federal land”
Bomb, you’ve made a decent rebuttal.
You don’t need to pull a vika on me w/ that shit.

Shit, I wasn’t aware that EVERYONE who writes a blog is a liar.
I also didn’t know that the Harney County District Attorney wasn’t a part of the judicial system and wasn’t authorized to refuse to prosecute.
Hmmmmmm… I like how sometimes this and sometimes that about actual criminals is sufficient to smear any and all actions and issues those ranchers have. I really like how you inductively rationalize these things.

But, I do challenge your information on “Domestic terrorists tend to come from that area. Secessionist militants come from that area. Covered up murders, crony politics, nepotistic petty crime all come from that area.”

And, “It is my opinion that small town flyover folk have no perspective. They’re overeager to flex muscles they don’t really have and make demands of the majority of the country with all the vindictiveness you can only muster up when you believe you’re the “true” heart of something as big as the United States.”

There’s no need for hyperbole: " That level of pride and routine small-mindedness is what caused this debacle, not some secret and vast conspiracy from the Federal government of the United States."

The link I gave reported ONLY that it was a very localized bullying by the BLM & FWS of those ranchers. But I do appreciate the tutorial on those other govt. agencies. It helped the focus on this singular issue …. a bunch. lol
Overkill support of a point doesn’t really help all that much.

I’m unable to fathom this shit about these ppl being terrorists.
But then, I don’t know them as well as you apparently do.

Bear in mind that I am in agreement about this whole militia thing that developed recently. My focus is on what precipitated it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

vika, it’s become very obvious that all you want to do is argue … and do it from a very stupid position since your information isn’t at all relevant in a common sense way.

One: scrub brush doesn’t burn hot enough to create a sucking wind.

Two: and this is the kicker in how you won’t read, think about, and adjust your position when it is pointed out that you don’t know shit about what ya’re talking. I suspect that all you did (as usual?) was Google fire management and paraphrase it. But, thanks for the science lesson … it was a hoot. lol

Until you ACTUALLY experience such a controlled burn, ya probably ought to just STFU about it …. eh?

Three: A square mile has 640 acres.
127 acres is NOT “over a square mile of land”
Didn’t do your “homework” …. eh?
It’s now obvious that you aren’t reading much of what I write.
I made that very clear in at least one post.
Kinda getting hardheaded on this …. aren’t you?
Oooopps, I best not be fanning the flames here….
Sorry, couldn’t resist. lol

Four: NO, there isn’t “always landmarks”.
Please, don’t assume shit that ya know absolutely nothing about.
The western plains in the U.S. are NOTHING like what I’ve seen in movies showing Scotland and England w/ their marking of rural areas.
And, your insinuation that they might have been “so plum drunk” is making you look very pathetic at this point. How desperate to be right can one get? vika, it’s okay to be wrong every now and then. Why your need to be victim blaming (yeah, I’m now “mostly” on their side) here? Well, I pretty much know the reason for that.

Five:

Doing a ‘controlled’ burn with absolutely no control. The fire got out of hand, that is self-evident. Thus they were recklessly endangering land it was not their right to decide how to manage.
For the luv of gawd, give it a rest, vika.

If the very state this happened in felt this way, it would have ended there except of the craziness of the BLM & FWS. “Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.”

That the Fed govt. tried this father & son under a Terrorism law is as ridiculous as you are being in this discussion.

The Malheur reserve has 187,747 acres.
A scant 127 acres—that WERE NOT permanently damaged—burned, which is actually beneficial. certainly IS NOT “recklessly endangering land”.

At the very least, read the full report on the history of the harassment of that family by the Feds. BEFORE you go shooting your mouth off any more about this issue. YOU say you like to balance your intake of information …. WELL THEN, DO IT.

At the very least, look DEEP into your soul and see if there isn’t any COMPASSION for these ppl, who very likely, have suffered mightily at the hands of a faction of the govt. that has become the very thing it is supposed to protect us from.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

“(i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.

(j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

(j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

(k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”.

(q) June 22, 2012, Dwight and Steven were found guilty of starting both the 2001 and the 2006 fires by the jury. However, the federal courts convicted them both as “Terrorists” under the 1996 Anti terrorism Act. Judge Hogan sentenced Dwight (Father) to 3 months in prison and Steven (son) to 12 months in federal prison. Both were also stipulated to pay $400,000 to the BLM. Judge Hogan overruling the minimum terrorist sentence, commented if the full five years were required it would be a violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). The day of the sentencing Judge Hogan retired as a federal judge. In his honor the staff served chocolate cake in the courtroom.

® On January 4, 2013, Dwight and Steven reported to prison. They fulfilled their sentences, (Dwight 3 months, Steven 12 months). Dwight was released in March 2013 and Steven, January 2014.

(s) Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplified further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years.

(t) In October 2015, the 9th District Court “re-sentenced” Dwight and Steven, requiring them to return to prison for several more years. Steven (46) has a wife and 3 children. Dwight (74) will leave Susan (74) to be alone after 55 years of marriage. If he survives, he will be 79 when he is released."
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I highlighted the timeline to show just how long vindictive hatred can last …. esp. when it is in the hands of petty bureaucrats.

Shameful ….. shameful and ugly and sickening.
Hopefully, Pres. Obama will pardon anyone involved in all of this;
and will straighten out the whole mess w/ the BLM & FWS;
and pay some $eriou$ reparations to ALL of the families wronged in any of this very likely shit that has been going on there and elsewhere.

Here is a “report” from someone that got into the compound for a short period. It shows the ppl. to be rational & reasonable. I can well understand their frustrations w/ faraway Fed govt. (as opposed to more involved state govt.) that has likely treated them in the manner described above.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Jailing two ppl for an accidental burning of 127 acres in a scrub-brush area is hardly a major crime. 160 acres is only a quarter mile by a quarter mile square. Good grief, I don’t blame those ranchers for being major pissed at the Fer overreach on this.

It’s not that hard to place windbreaks and other guiding measures before starting a fire, You should be able to control its direction and to prevent it spilling onto land that you don’t own. Not bothering to do this is reckless endangerment at the very least.

Windbreak …. eh?
vika, I didn’t know that you were such an expert in this area.
One DOES NOT burn when it is windy.
How do YOU know they didn’t have appropriate means for controlling the fire?
Reports say that they put the fire out themselves.
Such burn-offs are called CONTROLLED burns for a reason.
I’m not sure if there was any means marking the boundary (fence), but I doubt there were chalk lines drawn out there.

What is the shit of “at the very least” & “reckless endangerment”?
Endangerment to what/who?
Reports say it was a PRESCRIBED burn and that the county sheriff had been notified of it.

vika, I well know why YOU are so adamant about bloating your position on this.
I haven’t a clue why BombCog is. He is off a mile about INTENT. And, his armchair lawyer bloviation was therefore unnecessary to the discussion. The real intent here, as reported in the below link, is what the Fed govt. has been doing to the ranchers there for the past 30 years.

I’m guessing that neither one of you have EVER been involved in or seen such a controlled burn? I have, I know what is involved. It is one thing to “defend” a position; it is another to look the fool by standing on scant data.
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As Bombcog said, it is a very dangerous tool, and the more dangerous a tool is, the more precautions you should be taking with its use.

Here we go again … assuming the fire in these PRESCRIBED burn-offs is a “dangerous” TOOL. And, (likely?) assuming that the ranchers didn’t know how to use this TOOL.

AGAIN, 127 acres is NOTHING.
It is a quarter mile by a quarter mile square.
Athletes RUN near full-out for a quarter mile.
I’ve plowed many a quarter.
IT IS NOT THAT LARGE OF AN AREA.
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Add in as others have said, that the State is currently a tinderbox because of the drought, and the recklessness of their action becomes much more damning.

What “others”?
The only one I see on the con side of this is you and Bomb.
Stan weighed in and didn’t really back it up. I addressed his “question”.
And yes, I am from a state that has two distinct annual rainfall zones.
Eastern Kansas is lush w/ vegetation from frequent rains; western Kansas is much like eastern Oregon. The moisture from the Gulf of Mexico just doesn’t usually curve that far to the west in Kansas and clouds from the Pacific don’t make it over the Rockies and what little that comes from Baja area cuts across Arizona and aims for eastern Kansas.

The west sides of Oregon & Washington state get plenty of rain from the coast. The east sides don’t … the clouds just don’t get over the Cascade mountains. The east sides are in a near-permanent state of “drought” …. at least by comparison to the west sides and most any area that isn’t semi-arid. The map in this link explains it.

I’m not going to offer this link as being the God’s Truth; but it certainly smacks of it.

I just couldn’t figure out why the ranchers in that area—supported by ranchers from other areas (with similar problems?)—would have such strong grievances. While I still think an ARMED takeover of a Fed facility is extreeeemly foolhardy, perhaps a lesser dramatic action was necessary to get the nation’s attention as to what the Fed govt. is up to out there.

I can’t believe the ACLU or some “Watergate” style reporter didn’t get involved.

Here are a few excerpts from that link. If no one cares to read the entire link (about 10 min.), then I don’t want to hear any thing more from them on this issue. It reveals a very ugly picture of the U.S. govt.

“(a3) By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS (Fish & Wildlife Services).

(a2) During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

BUT:

(a4) By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers who still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. Susie Hammond in an effort to make sense of what was going on began compiling facts about the refuge. In a hidden public record she found a study done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced four times more ducks and geese than the refuge. The study also showed the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, she and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.

(g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sell their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later.
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I’m going to break this post to two posts. A long post messes w/ linking.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Originally posted by stanwise:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Jailing two ppl for an accidental burning of 127 acres in a scrub-brush area is hardly a major crime. 160 acres is only a quarter mile by a quarter mile square. Good grief, I don’t blame those ranchers for being major pissed at the Fer overreach on this.

Oh, dear. You’re not from a drought state, are you?

I’m guessing that ya didn’t read those links I supplied.

Burning of grass ranges like that around (Goggle an Earth map of the area) Burns is merely a way of managing the grazing areas. I did say: I mean, why would those ranchers want to burn the very thing they depend on to raise their livestock.

Here something that explains it.

More on it. The Flint Hills are semi-arid.

“Managing the tall grass prairie is something that has been handed down since the beginning of time. Fire was used by the Native Americans because it brought herds of buffalo and other game. Four-legged critters that will end up feeding a growing population still inhabit the Flint Hills, and fire is one of the most important tools used to manage the range. “The later we can burn usually works better because we can get a good kill on the invaders. Cow grass needs to be burned at least every other year, otherwise it will clump up and the cattle won’t graze it.””

Those invaders are water-sucking plants that aren’t edible for the livestock.

I’m not going to go back into my links to look for it … the truth of it isn’t positive.
But, the report was that it was a prescribed burn.
Around Wichita, if the wheat grows too much straw, we’ll have burns of fields around the county. We have plenty of rain … which is what caused the overgrowth.

Even burning in forest areas is a management tool.

Let’s keep this in perspective. Serving 4 or 5 years for ACCIDENTALLY burning a quarter section of scrub brush on Fed property is excessive in anyone’s books.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Well, it appears there is a back story here that is (maybe?) being hugely glossed over.

Link

“Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each, as arson on federal land carries a mandatory minimum five-year prison term.

A prescribed burn in 2001 got out of hand, burning 127 acres.

“I’m going to prison for five years for 127 (acres)? Seems like a bit of an overkill to me,” Dwight Hammond said Saturday outside their home .

Federal prosecutors believe the blaze was a cover-up of poaching.

On Monday, the Hammonds are turning themselves in at a California federal prison.

“It isn’t my decision, obviously,” Hammond said. “It’s a sentence.”

But it’s a sentence which people from many states came to the wide-open lands of southeastern Oregon to protest against.

“We’ve had the same problems in Utah and Nevada,” said Utah resident Shannon Cox."
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Civil protest is one thing; acting like a fucking idiot w/ guns against the Feds isn’t going to win much support … except from other itchy trigger finger assholes. Do it right and win; do it wrong and die. Which makes more sense?

Jailing two ppl for an accidental burning of 127 acres in a scrub-brush area is hardly a major crime. 160 acres is only a quarter mile by a quarter mile square. Good grief, I don’t blame those ranchers for being major pissed at the Fer overreach on this.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Important addendum (I still can’t edit or flag … well, it’s kinda an off-on thing):

One of the major issues, likely representing the whole mess, is STATE’S RIGHTS.

I can understand how these fiercely independent ppl would prefer a more local governing of their area since it would hugely be better at addressing near 100% of their issues/needs. This can be the can even though local Fed employees might be recommend agreement and “Washington” overrules. I imagine this is at the heart of most “states’ rights” positions.

I’ve not delved that deeply into this protest …. it seems it is a bit (all?) about burning off some of the range land on the Fed reserve. I don’t know about there; but here north of Wichita, there is an annual burning off of the dead grass in the spring so the new growth can get a better start.

While I haven’t seen any of this mentioned, YET, it wouldn’t surprise me much if the media is stonewalling it because it would lend credence to the militia’s position. I mean, why would those ranchers want to burn the very thing they depend on to raise their livestock?

We’ve had “too big to fail”;
I’m well aware of: too big to do an adequate job of overseeing and micro-managing small needs/areas.

Maybe one of the big things we need to fix in America is our fucking bureaucracy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

LOL, I’m making a big deal out of it:
Oh for crying out loud:
But, like a joke, if you have to explain it …..

FYI, ACCORDING TO LOCAL (easily gotten via Google) NEWS REPORTS, they weren’t even on their way to Burns-Hines; they had gone through it.
They were going to John Day and were stopped about 20 mi. N. of Burns.
The Feds certainly didn’t want a shootout IN Burns.

According to one of MY LINKS, the Feds have now blocked off the roads and are allowing only ranchers who own land in that area to pass. The media was told it was best for them to evacuate (to safer areas).

I think it might help to better understand the mindset of some of the “militia” there … both the locals and the “imports” (which is what the guy who got killed was).

I’m guessing some (a few, none, most?) of the militia are ex-military.
Guys who take “defending” the Constitution very seriously.
Obviously … overly so.
We’re talking about a very sparsely populated area where serious self-dependence is a way of life. When such is “challenge”, they get their dander up. They get angry at being told what to do … at being told they are wrong. We know what kind of reactions this causes.

It appears Burns has ONE traffic light controlled intersection …. where two highways meet.
“Burns is a city in and the county seat of Harney County, in the U.S. state of Oregon. According to the 2010 census, the population was 2,806. Burns and the nearby city of Hines are home to about 60 percent of the people in the sparsely populated county, the largest in Oregon and the ninth largest in the United States.”

This is about as rural as it can get.
The one news report indicated that SOME of the towns folks are getting tired of the shit; and even if they support the issue, they think the militia takeover is wrong.
It was also reported that some of the pro-militia ppl were “stalking” the anti’s and the local law enforcement (who were taking part in the standoff. Reports of parking in front of their houses.

It appears that BombCog is right: “They don’t champion order, but are attempting to bully others with violence. It is exactly the kind of chimpanzee anarchy that we have societies to prevent.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Perhaps then, the better way to phrase it would be:

One car was stopped when the occupants were on their way to town to speak on behalf of the occupation.

And, ya were wrong about the occupation being resolved.

Cool your jets, vika …. ya can’t be right 100% of the time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

No, not resolved

more on the story

There is no “occupations” of a town.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United Nations SD Goals

Yeah, it is.
Let’s add long walks on the beach and bunches of cuddling after sex.

What are we supposed to do with this thread?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Europe forcing refugees to wear wristbands for "easy identification"

We get the reference to the way the Jews and other prisoners in Nazi camps were tattooed and had metal tags bearing ID numbers on cord bracelets or necklaces. There were the “Yellow Stars” before that. Jews had been wearing identifiers for several centuries even before that.

So what?

Do YOU live in America?
Do YOU have a social security number?
Do YOU have a PIN?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Polarized US Politics

STOP IT …. RIGHT NOW.

You two are scaring me.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Polarized US Politics

Originally posted by BombCog:

Conservative radio is hardly truthful. But why are we talking about that, exactly?

Likely because that, and even the pulpits in some churches, is all too often the feeding troughs the conservatives tend to relish?

Let’s toss this in as a possible comparative as to what separates a conservative from a liberal regarding the inability to embrace reality. Perhaps it isn’t at all a factor of intellect. Maybe it is more of one of gullibility? Be it a manufactured or a “genetic” one, the inescapable fact is that a lot of money is being thrown at this faction of the political spectrum in anticipation of obtaining some desired result … likely making more and keeping existing money …. eh?

Hell, I often wonder if the wealthy overlords just don’t fuck w/ us sometimes for the shear pleasure of it. If it weren’t for Trump’s ego in actually wanting to be President, I’d say his campaign was just the whim of a spoiled, rich, bored brat wanting something more to put in his bio.

How else can we explain why people will vote against their own best interests? Answer: the wealthy bullshit them w/ “the-sky-is-falling” hysteria and blame anyone that is a serious threat to their wealth interests … esp. if there is already a bias attached—race, gender, the poor & disabled, even women.

The wealthy have even managed to malign unions to the point of the common man actually hating the very thing that elevated them into a decent middle class. I like how the wealthy have made living wages for workers the cause of corporations leaving our shores. Talk about victim blaming.

The wealthy lie. They do it to get the most gullible on board to wage the class warfare that so greatly benefits their interests of money-power-control. What is new about that? If a person is already steeped with believing “non-facts”, they are the marks the hustlers go for.

Liberals can be just as gullible. It’s just that they tend to not have the laundry lists of hatred, bias, bigotry, intolerance, aversion to progress, fear of socialism (while actually living it), etc. the conservatives do. Sorry, but that is just how the two polarities shake out.

All of those things have been around (likely?) since the dawn of Man. I believe the manipulation and exploitation of them developed right along w/ them. I think the Founding Fathers actually wanted to create a system by which it could be thwarted.

I believe FDR reset our feet on the path after the “wolves” financially destroyed America. Today, most of what he wrought has been destroyed. I think Citizens United was the final nail in the coffin of a “non-slave labor” society.

Much like I’d be perfectly fine if a drunk drives as long as it were ONLY w/ other drunks, I’d be greatly happy if the gullible neo-cons had their own half of the U.S. by which to practice their gullibility and hatred for that which is different than they and their fear of all that evil progress.

I deeply believe we are in a Civil War even more ideologically entrenched than the one in 1860. People aren’t dying as much; but there sure as hell is a more suffering going on.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Climate change and terrorism

Bob, I’ve not looking into this extensively; but I’m seeing a lot of various sources talk about how potable water is looming on the horizon as a real and volatile issue. We here in the States and I imagine most of the EU do well. Those arid regions of the Middle East …. not so well

A person can go/live indefinitely if they run out of gas for their car.
3 days without water and ya have a serious problem at hand.
That does’t even take into account the water needed to grow food.

Small wonder so many hate us when they see us watering our lawns and letting drinking water run down the streets or the sprinklers are on while its raining.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Polarized US Politics

Originally posted by issendorf:
Snide hyperbole to cover your lack of sufficient rebuttal.

“Conservatives don’t pursue degrees because conservative viewpoints are, in many instances, extremely contradictory to reality.” That’s what Kasic said, that conservatives are delusional when it comes to reality, therefore they don’t want to go into academia because, I guess, there minds will explode when faced with all that liberal awesomeness.

NO, that isn’t what Kasic said. You’re putting words in his mouth. Well, specifically ONE word: delusional. If that is how you interpret his point … fine. But, to state that such is “what Kasic said” is a bit of a stretch.

However, there just might be a basis for your making such assessment of his point.
I’d always seen the word delusional to be used in connection w/ mental illness.
And, considering YOUR penchant to distort discussions, that is the direction and scope I saw you using.

I did feel that the discussion warranted my checking and I found delusional can have the broader meaning that might be abel to describe Kasic’s assessment of “conservative” mindset compared to reality.

“A delusional person believes things that couldn’t possibly be true. If you’re convinced that the microwave is attempting to control your thoughts, you are, sadly, delusional.
Delusional comes from a Latin word meaning “deceiving.” So delusional thinking is kind of like deceiving yourself by believing outrageous things. Delusional thoughts are often a sign of mental illness, but the word can also be used more loosely to describe behavior that is just not realistic. If your friend thinks he’s going to get rich playing video games, he’s probably not mentally ill, but it’s not a stretch to call him delusional."

Beliefs like these reflect such delusions: “A new poll finds that 43 percent of Republicans believe President Obama is a Muslim, and 20 percent of all adults believe he was born outside the United States.”

I wonder what political identity that 20% has?
But, even a (not so bright?) Democrat/liberal might say that Hawaii, knowing it IS a state, is still outside the [contiguous] United States. I feel there is very likely a “reasonable” parallel of intellectual measure between “liberals” & “conservatives”. The issue as I’ve seen it over the years is that, ESPECIALLY of late, the “conservative” mindset is much more intractable to reality than is the liberal.

How could this not be so when the “conservative” mind is being constantly fed the insane bullshit of Fox News and hate media? What does the “liberal media” use: The Daily Show, John Oliver, The Colbert Report, The Nightly Show, Bill Maher (Bill includes conservatives). Those shows don’t tout “Fair and Balanced”; they clearly are for entertainment … usually by making fun of the shit the zealot/neo conservatives are doing.

What 18 y.o. wants to disrespect the entirety of their upbringing by their parents by disagreeing w/ their political ideology? It’s kinda difficult to do so even if their exists a dichotomy between child and parents. The parents are giving food & shelter along w/ “life instructions”. It is when such mindset comes up against a heuristic environment (university) that it is exposed to thinking that likely is founded more on reality than the “desire-to-believe-whatever” ideology of their parents.

It doesn’t even have to be university where poor parental preparation rears its ugly head. I saw a lot of military kids experience a “rude awakening”. There’s a saying: It’s hard to keep the boys on the farms once they’ve seen the city lights. As for university “lights”, either the person is going to become “enlightened”, or they are going to run back to the safety net of the farm … where they will continue to DELUDE themselves.

I’ve seen more kids drop out of university because they weren’t mature enough to handle being on their own (too much partying, etc.) than leave because their minds exploded when faced with all that liberal awesomeness [reality].
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I guess you’re cool with “snide hyperbole” when people you disagree with are smeared, eh?

SMEARED …. eh?
I think you just proved the point here.
A discussion is being conducted and you are using poor skills to try to stay within a realm-0-reason simply because certain “truths” are disrupting the status quo of your desired viewpoint. It is this kind of conflict that renders the dyed-in-the-wool “conservative” a bad fit for most universities.
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That isn’t an argument based in reality as to why conservative intellectuals don’t want to work at universities and instead opt to work for think tanks. My question is why.
I dunno, maybe because a university pays professors to profess the truth; and think tanks usually are looking to support a particular “truth”?
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The rebuttal of “conservatives aren’t as smart as liberals and only want to deceive the sheeple” has all the wisdom of the comments section of a Think Progress post.

Yup … toss that old shit into the discussion.
Have you seen anyone HERE proffer that?
While there are a multitude of studies that compare the intellects of liberals & conservatives, any findings would be, IMO, extremely generalized and highly subject to the context used.

Liberals are progressive. Conservatives are fine w/ things the way they are or want to regress. Using development of technology as the yardstick, one could say the progress-minded folks are looking a bit sharper. However, when it comes to assessing intellect, there are thousands of yardsticks …. many where the “conservative” will shine bright.

Basically, it isn’t so much a factor of intellect as it is one of being able to assess more correctly the reality of the issue and let that methodology be used to get the round peg into the round hole because that works much better than trying to maintain the “old ways” that just won’t cut it any longer.