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Topic: Serious Discussion / A word of warning to true idiots....

Or, we can just flag this thread and him as well….let mod/admin handle it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Ironically, Russia is going to save the world from the USA.

Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

I agree, America is SUPER CORRUPT, so we need to turn to Russia to protect us!

because russia has NO POLITICAL CORRUPTION AT ALL!!!!

All powerful nations are corrupt.

Power corrupts;
absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / A word of warning to true idiots....

Speaking of retards

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Insightful Quotes

I guess that would depend greatly upon what one contends a “good analogy” to be.
Or maybe, just how willing they are make the effort to see one?

analogy:
a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification. a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.

If one has the insight to grasp the concept that the superior-in-focus side of this analogy is that of the pathological hoarder …. at least in regards to being presented in a limited/specific sense; one that is severely limited in the options of who (the rich) is being discussed/comapred.

The other side, while mentioning two individual examples of a more extreme nature, is meant to represent the ANTITHESIS (discussed in another thread) of the wealthy person. It needed to be presented in a loose description to represent what is in essence a very, very large group of ppl…..those of us who have nothing in comparison to the wealthy/powerful person.

We might make collections of various thing, some of which are quite odd; but money certainly isn’t one of them. Considering the huge amount of baby-boomers now entering the “golden years”, this lack of financial independence isn’t boding well for the future of our already strained govt. support system. Social security is bankrupt. We’re fucked.

Forget talking about savings. My wife contends that a lot of ppl—2nd mortgages on homes, rolled-over car financing (being upside down on a loan & financing the owed money via the new load), many credit cards maxed out—would go completely bankrupt were they to lose paychecks for 6 months.

Their credit card debt alone is staggering; and, we are talking about some rather high interest rates…..ones that typically allow the debtor to pay only the interest each month and little-2-nothing on the principle. So, yes…the Americans are quite good at collecting DEBT.

That asshole idiot Obama screwed over the money lenders by pushing for credit card reform so Americans wouldn’t drown (so fast?) in their CC debt. Imagine that?
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There might have been a clearer message in CptAtencio’s poster analogy were the “collections” of the lesser group to be more mainstream than the greater-than-you-realize group of kooky kollectors Trek “toys” NEVER taken out of the box to be played with; OR; or Jay Leno’s car collection

The comparative of the analogy isn’t the fact that the ppl are hoarding/collecting things; it is that we are unable to see the lunacy of how someone, who collects his lion’s share from all of our endeavors in life (trickle UP economics), is STILL lauded by us even though he is stealing from us.
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Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

PROTIP: “its up to you to find the meaning” is code for “it has no meaning, but pseudointellectuals will pretend its ‘deep’ so they can pretend to be smart”

CROWs have no meaning.
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

No good deed goes unpunished.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Remove all social safety nets!

beauval, this might explain some of it.
this one shows a better picture of how your link’s 40% for American corp taxes actually ends up being only 12. %

As YOU asked: Would I be right in assuming that there is an army of slick accountants who are running rings around the law, and billions of dollars are being withheld on questionable but perhaps just about legal grounds.

Money can hire the best tax attorneys in the world.
Money can “bribe” the U.S. tax lawmakers into actually believing the hype the PACs sweet-talk them into doing; by doing, I mean writing in enough tax loopholes to sail a cargo ship through.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Remove all social safety nets!

Damn, groolgirl….at first there, I thought ya was campaigning for President on the GOP ticket.
LOL

But, I do get your point:
sometimes, things have to get much worse before they can get better;
things have to hit near as bottom as possible and still be rectifiable;
at least to a degree that the effort is worth it.

In addictions, they call it hitting the bottom
The American society is “hooked” (addicted) on greed.
The divide between the Haves and the Have-nots is clear and growing wider exponentially.
I see this divide as being something of an event-horizon.
Upon reaching a critical mass of wealth, that mass begins to attract/suck in things from around it.
It will even suck away the wealth of those at the outer edges (threshold);
to a degree that they no longer have the mass/fortune to be able to continue “sliding down the GOOD slope”.

They end up getting kicked across the separation void (once known as the middle class) and approach the event horizon of the Have-nots. Depending upon many factors regarding their economic viability, they MIGHT manage to not get sucked into poverty any too quickly.

But, as surely as the rich get richer & the poor get poorer, that zone between the two will continue to grow simply because the increase in wealth for the Haves has to come from somewhere.

There greedy little fingers now have the power to reach very far (all the way around the globe) into the pocket of most anyone. The more they take from ppl, the less those ppl have. Simple math.

Ergo, the differences between all of those in the Have-not zone, regardless of circle/degree/class, are still far more similar to each other than they are to the Haves. This is even more clear because of that separation zone between the two basic groups of our society here in America.

If 85 ppl have same amount of wealth as the lower half of the whole world combined, could we have a problem here?

If one prefers to see this in the growing popularity of percentages (99% vs. 1%), this link provides that.

Some interesting facts that shown YOUR “no-safety-net” world just might be here already.

Allow me to point out something about GREED: excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.
When it is connected to & driven by the immense POWER of a snowballing event horizon; utter destruction is eminent.
Maybe we truly are at the Even of Destruction
I think ya’ll really like that video.
And, even though it was written in ‘64, I think ya’ll see a lot of similarities to today.

What can reverse this trend?
Any suggestions?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Originally posted by thepunisher52:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by thepunisher52:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

@ thepunisher

Did he say “govt”?
He said country;
as in your fellow citizens…..
taken as a whole.

I pay my taxes, donate to the charities, need be, i’ll join the military, what more do you want/?
Bwfore youyou blabber more about “me generation” tell me, who raised us?

I don’t at all follow your responses to me. Mostly because the second one should be addressed to gungho. But, the writing of it might give clue as to why you are a tad “confused”. lol

The first sentence might be a response to my post; however, it is so disjointed from it that I’m not at all able to grasp how it applies.


My guess is that it also was intended as a response to gungho’s assessment of YOU being a “me generation” person. But, I will comment on it anyway. Just because you do those thing doesn’t mean that you can’t have a sense of “entitlement” in other areas. Or, that such sense can’t be inappropriately excessive.


It was a reply to you both
Then, by all means available to ya, justify why it was a reply to me.
All I did was make a clarification/distinction of what gungho’s post was about.

YOU confused country w/ govt.

If you are all that touchy about someone helping ya;
don’t bother to make a reply.
Like YOU said: actions speak louder than words.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Vote Centrist.

How would anyone ever be able to vote centrist? There’s usually a very strong Democratic candidate and a very strong Republican candidate leading each race; the rest are ignored. The more they can get to their end of the spectrum on issues (left or right), the better it is usually perceived by their voting base. The third and fourth guy, if he even exists, is ignored and shows up as an extraneous name on a ballot.

The closest I saw a third party candidate come to acquiring a voting base was Ross Perot in 1992, but that was an anomaly.

Either you didn’t read the entirety of my post, including the linds; or, you understood very little of it.

Some of this might be of help.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Insightful Quotes

Originally posted by CptAtencio:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

don, please don’t be too harsh on the merit of the presentation of this thread.
Don’t lock it.

I think it can be a great start to generating some very good discussion on what is actually happening OUTSIDE of America.
I just can’t contribute ATM;
but, there is a lot I want to say on this concept.

I agree. Too often we become immersed in our own world and don’t even think about what other people all over the world are going through. I think as Americans we have so many things just handed to us and don’t realize how truly privileged we are, we end up taking most of it for granted. I think a lot of us just need to take a step out of our comfort zone and look at the world from a different point of view.

Fellow forum guys&gals, that paragraph is a good summation of the poster.

I’m very surprised at how this topic is receiving such a negative response.
Yes, just because one takes a journey into abject poverty doesn’t mean that it won’t cost a fair amount of money.

However, for the serious seeker, there are ways…..many ways.
The easiest is to volunteer, do missionary work for your church, actually WORK your way around the world.
The last will take a long time;
but, working in an impoverished region is going to deliver a message far greater than sitting at a computer Googling it. One can Google all the data they want about how delicious food is; but, until they bring out smell-0-rama & tasty-tidbits for computers, the experience is going to be far wide of actually being there.

One really needn’t go abroad (from America) to experience poverty.
We have our own homegrown variety….the Appalachian regions and many impoverished Native American reservations. A simple hop over the Mexico border to Tijuana’s blighted areas doesn’t cost much.

One of the great points to make is that those ppl who can afford the expenses of journeys to the seriously dire regions of poverty in the world are certainly the ones who need it the most. Hell, they might learn a lot about their monetary PRIVILEGE right here in America were they to come down off their high horses and actually take a good look at ghettos.

In my day, there were a couple of govt. programs that ppl (esp. young, idealistic adults) could join that would give them an idea of how the other half of the world lives: Peace Corps and VISTA (Volunteers In Service To America). If one really wants to rub shoulders w/ poverty, they can do it and at monetary expense. However, there most certainly will be an emotional cost.

Neil, just because most would-be deprivation tourists lack the mindset doesn’t mean that the concept isn’t a valid one. All that does is confirm that there is a need for it because of the disconnect that is rampant. There is an expression for it: the ugly American

I have long been an advocate of a form of addressing several issues at the same time.
Graduates from high school that didn’t go on to college would be “drafted” into service to America. I’m not talking military; although that would be one of the options for them.

I’m talking about a youth corps for a 1 or 2 years period that would pull them from the comfort of mommy&daddy and put them in a real world of work, meeting ppl of all walks of life (esp. fellow corps members). Yes, they would be paid a decent wage. But, they would live somewhat military style….depending on the work area.

I imagine a lot of kids would opt for a break from schooling to give some thought as to what they would want to study in college. They just might discover what area actually interests them. Talking to a lot of ppl in the same boat as you tends to expand one’s horizons.

Did I mention that part of the pay for this service would be in the form of college or tech school tuitions? Service in my Youth Corps is highly likely to generate a greater chance of obtaining a good education…..for a lot of reasons, enhanced maturity being a huge one.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Ironically, Russia is going to save the world from the USA.

Originally posted by NeilSenna:

Develop distrust in ones own government… switch to unquestioningly swallowing propaganda from someone else’s.

Do people really need someone to trust and believe in that badly?

Neil, unfortunately, they do.
A good, hard look at most any U.S. political election will reveal this.
These ppl aren’t called sheeple without good reason.
 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Insightful Quotes

don, please don’t be too harsh on the merit of the presentation of this thread.
Don’t lock it.

I think it can be a great start to generating some very good discussion on what is actually happening OUTSIDE of America.
I just can’t contribute ATM;
but, there is a lot I want to say on this concept.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

I.O.Doom, keep in mind the triad of thesis-antithesis-synthesis and how most any position really isn’t static, but is subjected to new & conflicting influences as it travels forward in time….ultimately resulting in some form/degree of modification of (usually) both of them.

I think this is somewhat the idea Thomas Jefferson was alluding when he said: “I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”

I have great hopes that a party consisting of moderates from both the current major parties will be able to rid themselves of their current identifications and form a new party called Centrists.

This would allow the true GOPites to drop the crazy baggage they have gathered over the past couple of decades that have proven to be much more trouble than help.

There is nothing wrong w/ conservatism.
There is EVERYTING wrong w/ extremism in conservativeness.
This is where we currently are.
The GOP has to make a choice….try to work w/ a mindset that has its mind set on attaining goals that are waaaaay too far out of sync w/ reality; OR, it can divest their Party of these extremists.

If the GOP can’t show them the door, which I doubt it will be able to do, it needs to embrace the natural next step and morph w/ the corresponding faction of the Democratic party that can realistically move our society forward. The best way to make a clean & easily understood merger of these two groups is to christen it w/ a new name. Centrist.

It’s symbol could be something along the line of Yin-Yang=_ which would demonstrate an understanding of the duality of life; and that true harmony is achieved when both areas of an issue are given due consideration and fair treatment.

Of course, an ancient symbol just won’t work for many Americans. They don’t trust things like that. But, THAT is exactly one of the major drawbacks in our politics; we won’t accept “help” from anyone. We have to do it ourselves…..even if it is wrong, stupid, and costly.

Basically, until the extremist conservatives are put in the proper perspective in the Yang, we will continue to have this horrid strife. It is the idiotic support these extremists are getting from very ill-informed voters that is most puzzling.

With a new and responsive (to serious issues) party, perhaps some equally serious application of American fairness & justice can be found by wresting a huge amount of control the wealthy have over us.

Vote Centrist.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Millennial Boomerangs

Well, don….dontchya know that anything, anybody, anywhere, or whatever that isn’t the U.S. of A. is automatically inferior, behind the times, and ultimately going to go to hell?
Isn’t that pretty much what this discussion has boiled down to;
at least for a few of the posters?

‘Merica da bestest.
We be #1 and will do #2 on yer hiad ifin ya don’t lak it.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

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Topic: Serious Discussion / The People Spoke

I can’t say it is anything at all close to “most kids under 25 think that way”.
Sure, that kind of “spoiled-entitlement” exists; and, it exists much more than any time in American history (save talking about the upper classes).

But, I know one helluva lot of ppl under 25 that work their asses off….
usually at very low paying jobs…
i.e. damn little reward….
certainly NONE OF IT in the form of an “entitlement”.

Do I know of any of the “other kind”?
Sure do.
Sure have … ever since I was a kid;
and began to understand the haves-have-nots situation.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

I found it’s best to ignore the mentally ill progressives regressives: take the country BACK (to the past).

They are particularity upset that their [foolishly misunderstood] vision for forced socialism oligarchy/plutocracy is starting to fall apart. The ’16 election will likely have much more focus on how the GOP is the lap dog of the strangling corps/wealthy; the voters will wake up and see that regressivism is merely a way to keep the working class (which includes the poor) in their place.

They swap positions and arguments and will say anything to force their agenda of socialism extreme conservatism down the throats of Americans.

Americans DO NOT want socialism of any kind. Yet, they enjoy many of its aspects every day. OH, the hypocrisy of it all.

America was built on hard work and the individual drive to prosper…. all taken advantage of by the plutocrats so that they might prosper astronomically and obtain a position by which they can manifest a huge amount of control over the worker. Plutocrats own the factories (means of producing necessary goods) and the workers….well, the works have to WORK FOR the owners to get money to buy the necessary goods in order to stay alive and WORK HARD some more….for an even lesser share of the pie.

Americans will NOT every [sic] fully agree to socialism. Probably because (see above) they DO NOT want socialism of any kind.
Confusing?
Yeah, but a lot of what regressives want usually is.
First: are we talking about full agreement by Americans about SOME KIND of socialism?
Second: are we talking about a majority agreement to adapt to FULL socialism?

Taxes [that are en-FORCED] are one thing, but FORCING programs such as Obamacare is overreaching is just another form of taxation that is very similar to many other forms of what socialism is all about.

While not explicitly a govt. tax, BEING REQUIRED by the govt. to have private industry liability insurance to operate a motor vehicle on a public road certainly does have a socialistic taint to it. Basically, it is an acknowledgement that the public builds the roads and most any individuals using it want to be protected from economic ruin….we’re talking about BOTH the “victim” and the errant driver.

There are numerous other examples of how socialism works….both by taxes and by private “investments”.

As for the ACA and having “healthy ppl” buy insurance they don’t think they need; one day they probably will need it….compare it to SOCIAL security.

Also, the ACA is protection from so-called healthy ppl in that I can get sick from some “healthy” asshole spreading a cold/flu around. Call this an “unassessible-contributor-general-participation-in-unhealthiness” tax.

We are all in this life together, why can’t we behave like it by working together instead of being worked against each other (class warfare) perpetrated by the wealthy?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Hmmmm…..young (read inexperienced?…something said about Obama) Republicans elected into office.

Why do I suddenly recall the old story about dad making son smoke cigarettes until he turns green; as is depicted in this King of the Hill clip? There some side stories in there also that can be applied to politics.

So, let’s let the Republicans, old & young, have the reins of govt. for two years and watch them turn green and puke all over the American ppl.

Most all of them were elected via a sham far worse than the one Obama/John Gruber used to help get the ACA over the ignorant hateful opposition.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Millennial Boomerangs

gungho, if you are going to quote stanwise, you could at least have the courtesy to address the question he raised by using those extensions of years.

Your building a strawman sidebar really didn’t do anything but confirm an obvious need for an increase in overall health NEEDS for a population that is schizophrenic about giving great, expensive health CARE while at the same time economically promoting extremely UNHEALTHY lifestyles.

To answer stan’s question: why can’t we redefine adulthood yet again; I say WE SHOULD.
His examples show that actual “adulthood” is a series of gradients (graduating levels) that not only change over generational timespans; but, they also change gradually over the lifespan of the individual.

After all, when we are taking about that time period of a young adult that are the “transitional” years when they do the final work on cutting the umbilical cord—as far as living arrangements go; not the ADULT emotional ones.

How hard can it be to understand that as times change, so must the way we view/behave in them?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

Originally posted by jhco50:

Karma, why are you a socialist one minute and a moderate the next?

I’m most happy that you asked that question; esp. since I have given an answer to it for you on so many occasions that I am now atwitter w/ a host of speculative scenarios as to why you are so unable to know that I have done so.

So, just for YOU, I offer a refresher course:
Socialism
" There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them."

And:
Democratic Socialism
“There is no exact definition of democratic socialism. Some forms of democratic socialism overlap with social democracy, while other forms reject social democratic reformism in favor of more revolutionary methods, and overlap with Revolutionary Socialism.”

Other posters have also made these distinctions for you.
They have pointed out the many programs that tacitly make America a Democratic Socialism country.

Yet, you weirdly opt to continue this nutty quest of yours (validation of the shit spewed by extremist-right conservatism?) via your efforts of trying to imbue their hatred of “progressive socialism” onto anyone who is slightly left of your extremely far-right ideology.

If YOU want to use such terminology to describe your fears of American culture, that is as it should be. But, this need of yours to speak for ME on how I describe myself is bordering the insanity of how you talk about what “dictator” Obama is doing to America and our Constitution. Ya really need to take 5 and have a reality check here.
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Are you whatever fits your post at the moment? I’m pretty sure you claimed to be a socialist and made it quite clear at the time.

My stance on issues doesn’t easily change; nor does what I call it.
And, I hope to hell that I do make it “quite clear” as to what my ideology on issues is.
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Yet I have always been conservative.
I don’t doubt that at all.
But, you appear to be so far-right conservative that likely no one else would fail to see it, either.
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And as far as I can tell, Obama would rather climb a tree and lie to you than stand on the ground and tell the truth.
Is that very odd analogy your own?
Are you repeating something you have heard?
Maybe you should do some thinking on how that could be seen as racist alluding Obama to being a “monkey in a tree”?

But, you are right about: “as far as I can tell”.
All you have done there is pronounce your obvious inadequacies for understanding the huge complexity of a very diverse society we have in America.

Sure, as I’ve been pointing out since the recent elections (and long before, too), most “stupid” Americans have very little understanding of political issues. But, YOUR “as far as I can tell” might be viewed as the poster-boy of how extreme “conservatism” is woefully out of touch.

Yes, much like the Tea Party, such conservatism is grounded in sensible ideology and reality.
But, it is their solutions to the problems that aren’t rational.
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And I like partisan politics. when they don’t get anything done the people are safe for the moment.

Why should I be surprised to hear you say something like this?
I’m hoping you’re referencing CURRENT politics.
Because, otherwise, what you are promoting is that we have no government at all;
have no way to resolve differences into a cohesive unity that can move us forward.

Your position here is waaaay too telling of how the extremist-right thinking would rather have gridlock, having nothing for anyone, than compromise a little so that something can be resolved….thus providing a movement in a direction that can be built upon to create even more & better cooperation and PROGRESS towards a society that is mature enough to be allowed to stay out on a Saturday night past midnight.
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Here is something that I think very well sums up what I’ve saying about YOUR position on “progressive, liberals, and the left”:

“Right wing talk radio and the rise of dedicated conservative media outlets really coalesced in the late 80s and early 90s. That is when this message really became codified into a right wing mantra, railing against a straw man and bogey man of “the liberals”…callers and hosts would tighten their feedback loop and the message became rather consistent. This was then incorporated into email chains and then Facebook boards. They don’t really interact with anyone else and don’t allow “the message” to be challenged. Then, the TEA party and “Real American Patriot” politics of Palin and her ilk continue with the dialogue that they represent true Americans that have to “take their country back”…and it is always from the Left, who they perceive of as un-American, dangerous…and well, stupid."

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Originally posted by thepunisher52:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

@ thepunisher

Did he say “govt”?
He said country;
as in your fellow citizens…..
taken as a whole.

I pay my taxes, donate to the charities, need be, i’ll join the military, what more do you want/?
Bwfore youyou blabber more about “me generation” tell me, who raised us?

I don’t at all follow your responses to me. Mostly because the second one should be addressed to gungho. But, the writing of it might give clue as to why you are a tad “confused”. lol

The first sentence might be a response to my post; however, it is so disjointed from it that I’m not at all able to grasp how it applies.

My guess is that it also was intended as a response to gungho’s assessment of YOU being a “me generation” person. But, I will comment on it anyway. Just because you do those thing doesn’t mean that you can’t have a sense of “entitlement” in other areas. Or, that such sense can’t be inappropriately excessive.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / A Self-Modifiable Neuroprosthetic for Depression

LOL, I.0.Doom, I wanted to make a similar comment.
I found the post to be as odd as it is humorous;
or, is it humorous because of its oddity?

But, were I to be the one to point out the contradictions, he likely would have just chalked it up to my overall disagreement w/ most of the ideology he presents on SD. However, since he doesn’t read my posts, that likely wouldn’t happen. Ha.

Riddle me this: how does one bow out of a conversation they haven’t joined?

Now, for something I hope stanwise will build on (he has commented on this already) what I’m linking and how gungho’s statement about there being no history of mental illness in his family.

“Mental illnesses account for a larger proportion of disability in developed countries than any other group of illnesses, including cancer and heart disease. In 2004, an estimated 25% of adults in the United States reported having a mental illness in the previous year. The economic cost of mental illness in the United States is substantial, approximately $300 billion in 2002. Population surveys and surveys of health-care use measure the occurrence of mental illness, associated risk behaviors (e.g., alcohol and drug abuse) and chronic conditions, and use of mental health—related care and clinical services. Population-based surveys and surveillance systems provide much of the evidence needed to guide effective mental health promotion, mental illness prevention, and treatment programs.”

Of course, gungho’s opinion of his family’s mental health depends on what he means by family. The math of 25% of Americans having some form of mental illness almost guarantees there likely is some there.

Another couple of factors: lack of understanding what mental illness actually is, and that likely yields the often accompanying denial that can stigmatize an admitting it is present in their family. Americans have a very dim view of those who have some form of mental illness.

Oddly enough, my advance years afford me the insight how mental illness has been favorably received a number of years back. It was demonstrated by the popular use of anxiety medication….starting out w/ Valium and moving on to Xanax (still the go-to drug today) for treating the more common & very lessor “mental afflictions” that can readily be “excused” in today’s American society.

One should consider that this acceptance of drug use for mental issues is likely a parallel of the huge rise in recreational use of pot, LSD, shrooms, beenies, Quas, etc.

One other aspect that has given a recent huge boost to prescribed mental-meds was the increase of open acknowledgement of going to a shrink in the late ’60’s and the ’70’s. There was a strong presence in movies, comedians, etc. of a “hipness” to being under the care of a psychiatrist….often humorously called a couch session

Whether or not drugs were prescribed (what was available at that time?) isn’t what I’m getting at; I’m pointing out how the acceptance that ppl could have about mental illness, and not keep it in the closet, likely became a huge base for future useage drugs by psychiatry. Today,
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Originally posted by stanwise:

Upon doing some research, they appear to be in the minority, which is scary. Here is a well-sourced paper that describes Immortal’s concerns in a way that is grounded in some interesting facts instead of conspiracy-theory-esque rhetoric: http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
As long as we’re way off-topic, I would find other people’s thoughts on this interesting.

Stan, sorry for taking so long to respond.

I knew all along that Immortal had some validity in his position, as miniscule as it was for what he was presenting. I hoped if I held his feet to the fire long enough, he would finally hit on the one glaring example of treating what is perceived as mental illness and inappropriate addressing of it: overmedication of American children (take your pick of the different opinions).

I particularly like this one because of its “follow the money” concept….something that is near-&-dear to my heart.

“Psychotropic drug use in children is sharply up in this country for several reasons: biological psychiatry is still the mainstream treatment choice for our troubled kids; robust marketing by drug companies entices doctors and parents into thinking there are “quick-fix” capsule solutions for every childhood woe; and we are becoming…..".

I well imagine that this concept, of how “wonder drugs” can offer quick & easy fixing, also extends well beyond that of children. However, something along the lines of what Immortal has been trying to articulate is how such medication is “forced” on those unable to say no. Children are the least likely to be able to do so and have little recourse should they somehow decide they should.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
A balance of WHAT?
Each of them so far our on the ends of a very long teeter-totter than they have lost sight of the middle?

The problem with the argument about the middle (as appealing as moderacy seems in theory) is that the “middle” keeps shifting and is entirely relative.

Such an assessment is so dependent on so many changing variables that any degree of accuracy can be so very easily contested by anyone who feels they have a large (tho likely incorrect) overview of the big picture.

50 yrs. ago would have been 1968 (I was 20).
There was a huge cultural upheaval….
hippies vs. the “establishment”….
a sexual “revolution” (the pill hits the scene…. to help w/ teen girls’ “acne”)….
long hair vs. the crew cut

If those social ideologies fostered by the baby boomers (the younger gen.) weren’t change enough, the political scene changed a lot when Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act;
the Democrats lost the South.
(no nigger lover is gonna get my vote).

Wealth certainly wasn’t at all distributed in a good manner;
the riche were still getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
But, we were exporting goods and tariffing imports…..
we had money coming INTO America.

This economically built a strong, large middle class.
But, the greed of new, young “capitalists” wanted its share of that wealth (trickle-up economics);
they sought to buy Congress in a fashion heretofore unseen (PACs become stealth armies loaded w/ tons of soft money) to make all sorts of laws to DEregulate business and allow cheap foreign labor to compete w/ American workers. Now, we don’t even have competition….jobs are gone to other countries.

Corporations have grown exponentially, gobbling up all the “capitalistic competition” along the way so as to have tremendous power/control over nearly everything American…..including our govt. The guys at the very top don’t give a shit & two farts if America folds.

They basically are world businessmen who only recognize national borders as a means of accounting for their profits. Money is their “God” and home is where they say it is. These ppl are evil beyond belief. There are a few billionaires who are waking up and divesting themselves of huge amounts of their fortunes. But, they are a drop in the bucket compared to the true power brokers.
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What was the “middle” a hundred years ago? Even fifty years ago? Probably more like what Republican is today.

Somewhat like moderate Republicans today.
It’s just that so many things have changed that an accurate assessment isn’t easy.
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Edit: But if you’re trying to say that the parties are highly polarized and have a hard time finding solutions together, I agree. I’ve not seen a political climate as heated and partisan as the one we have right now.

Yup, that is exactly what I am saying.

There is an old saying: the battle of good and evil are fought by only a few w/ little notice by the many.

I see this happening w/ the uber conservative crowd jockeying for a position of having the power from as much as “the many” so they can have an advantage in this battle.

“Liberals” tend to not be all that organized…..
they think their altruistic idealism speaks for itself and good, decent, rational ppl will support it because they are the ones to directly benefit from it.

HOWEVER, they just don’t get it that so many of those in the middle (bell-curve) aren’t all that “bright”, informed about, interested in, driven by such ideas and the political ramifications/connections they have.

Instead, they follow the tune of the biggest liars around.
Since outright lying isn’t really the domain of the altruistic (sheep) crowd,
and the “wolves” see nothing at all wrong w/ an agenda of: the ends justify the means;
we end up w/ the “conservative crush” (rise of the Tea Party) support we have today.

These middle class ppl so easily sell their votes to the loudest liars.
Kansas did this just a couple of weeks ago.
Watch for Kansas to be in the news as our ultra-nutty-conservative Gov. Brownback uses that “mandate” and pipes us right over the fiscal cliff. I highly suggest you read that link and keep it in mind over the next two years.

I sincerely believe Brownback will almost singly-handed kill any hopes for a GOP Pres.
All the Dem’s have to do is hold up the shit hole Kansas will be in at the time and ask: Do you want the rest of the country to be like Kansas?

"Frank"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What’s_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F: can write a new book: What the Fuck is REALLY Wrong with Kansas….NOW?

Just a little data for spice.
Vital economic information was withheld (by a “nonpartisan” group? lol) until just a week after the election.
That information projects a $279 million shortfall by just his July, and a $436 deficit for the next year.
Kansas has a state law that the budget must be balanced…no red ink.

But, the red will run…..there will be bloody cuts to education, social services, and anything his pet, hand-picked lawmakers can get their hands on. All of this will usher in an new Bleeding Kansas that is going to make the Civil War look like a Boy Scout jamboree.

Keep an eye on Kansas

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Ironically, Russia is going to save the world from the USA.

But, who will save the world from Putin?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nuts shoot up schools, kids get punished.

Yeah, rich ppl can create whatever situation they want, wherever they want, whenever they want.

If they want such “fineries”, they need to have their kids go to a private school where such security measures can be a part of what is offered.

I don’t think the litigation will turn out well for Richie Rich.
There won’t be any PRIVATE individuals on PUBLIC schools having guns……regardless of who they are or have been.

Here in Kansas, we passed a dumb law allowing each school district to determine if EMPLOYEES (teachers?…admin?…janitors?) are allowed to carry a gun.

BUT….ooooops.
A school WITH guns, but without insurance is bound to get an F-
““We’ve been writing school business for almost 40 years, and one of the underwriting guidelines we follow for schools is that any on-site armed security should be provided by uniformed, qualified law enforcement officers,” said Mick Lovell, a vice president at EMC, according to the Des Moines Register. “Our guidelines have not recently changed.””

So, even if those rich snots win their lawsuit, they might have to pay the school districts insurance premiums, too.
Smart…..eh?

It would appear that an off-duty law officer IN UNIFORM (like they do in a lot of banks) could be hired to babysit little Johnny….even keep the bullies off him cuz he gotz a nanny.