Recent posts by Valchrist1313 on Kongregate

Topic: Wartune / [GUIDE]How to submit a ticket for Kong Wartune

I always get a reply within a few hours. However, they are always robotic messages promising some future assistance that never comes. These tickets have been everything from a complaint about a player making repeated, very bad pedophile comments in world chat, to a bug in spire that, when we completed stage 2, we got a message saying “VICTORY” and then spire ended, when we should have made it to round 9 or 10 easily.

Oh, and they have lately been asking me to post a you-tube video on every ticket filed, including the two examples above. For the first, I had screen shots, but those weren’t good enough. I told them I’m not willing to post pedophile comments on my you-tube account… As if the video would have been kept up anyway…. For the second, it was so sudden and suprising, that it wasn’t possible to start making a video- it would mean that I had to record all of my gameplay all of the time because I suppose 4 people filing identical tickets isn’t reasonable proof that there’s a screwed up bug.

Topic: Wartune / One-Click Astral Broke, cant get red astral from it.

I get 1 red astral for every 10 mil gold spent, approximately, and that’s doing it manually. I know for a fact that 1 click collect DOES give red astrals though. It also doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of points you have. It’s all just random.

Topic: Technical Support / Unable to buy KREDS !!!

I ended up here as well because the Xsolla site is down.

I should mention as well that I’ve tried boku many times, and despite having used sms systems in the past, this one will simply not work for me. The ‘sending text’ message gets stuck in the middle of the load bar and won’t progress. It has been that way for some 6 months. I am in a supported region. I assume boku does actually work, or has it just always been broken?

Topic: Wartune / Temporary Fix for DNS Issues

Hard saved this page. Could be vital if kong or wartune go down again.

Topic: Technical Support / Recent games not loading, Old games still load

Was having the same problem, thanks for the solution.

Topic: Dawn of the Dragons / Post your Raid URLs here

http://www.kongregate.com/games/5thPlanetGames/dawn-of-the-dragons?kv_action_type=raidhelp&kv_raid_id=2660256&kv_difficulty=1&kv_raid_boss=squid&kv_hash=C57J1Tkf57

Topic: Wartune / [Info] Bugs

A few small bugs regarding inventory:

If you click sort, and then click cancel, inventory is sorted anyway. (I just noticed this one was already submitted)

If you split an item, and move the split amount to another page of inventory, it moves the entire group without a split.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

This post has been removed by an administrator or moderator

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

You really, seriously systematically went and notated incorrect spelling inside of my quotes, KE? wtf is wrong with you? I don’t even goddamn care about the consequences anymore you petty, little man. That is absolutely pathetic conduct.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Quote KE: But here’s something, Val… and I brought this up before… what if your account was frozen because of it? Would you say to yourself, “Gee, I’ve been busted. I deserve the punishment,” or, would you say, “Imma fight this – file tickets and if that doesn’t work, stomp up and down, complain, backtalk and all the like.”? I assume you’d do the latter. But why? Down deep, you know this exploit was posted and yet you continued to, well, exploit it. Again, I point you to the CoC and the ToS, just in case you’d like to “put your fingers in your ears and go ‘lalalala’”. /quote

I never touched any part of the exploit KE. I argued for it’s validity in the game. I never used it from either end, leaving or accepting players. Further, the four of us who posted about the one time it did occur all agree that it was before this thread ever opened.

Quote KE:Don’t forget me telling you to quote properly (after being attacked multiple times first). It gets annoying to fix them when replying. I mean if you’re going to get in someone’s face about something, make sure you do it correctly as it makes your points more compelling. /quote

That’s just petty. Please, now find me a rule about this. If I give you another two weeks, I’m sure you can weasel someone in to saying what you want for a screenshot.

Quote KE; It was and still is rampant. All DB analysts have to do is look and see how many “covenant emancipations” were bought and cross reference how many guildmember transfers of less than 24 hours occurred. /quote

Now, watch this, your own words:

Quote KE: This sounds like the MPAA/RIAA, when faced with piracy, counting every illegal download as a lost sale. Sure, it’s great in theory and it brings some powerful numbers to the table – but anyone who has followed sales knows that a lost download does not equal a lost sale since a great majority would have never bought the item to begin with. This is the flaw in your argument – no one will buy the “covenant emancipation” that many times. /quote

quote KE: Originally posted by Valchrist1313:
The next post he decides to mock the guys spelling, as his main point, and drag me back in with some taunting.

Nice spin. You have responded to every post I have ever made in this thread. “Drag you back”. Right.

You reopened the thread for continued discussion, and your next post you call me out and demand proof. It’s there plain as day, until you go back and edit it out.

Quote KE: Spoon-feeding? Surely you jest. Rampant is accurate because if you sincerely believe that “6 people did it once”, you are sorely, sorely mistaken. No, delusional. /quote

Yet, when 5 well known people come together, and agree upon the one known occasion, you completely deny it happened, and will not accept the words of multiple players in favour of a hyperbolic (although obviously quite true) statement I made.

Quote KE: Originally posted by Valchrist1313:
Originally posted by atreylune:
So, it boils down to the issue here. Are you mad that there’s no way to beat BH or FH – because at the moment, there isn’t – or are you genuinely pushing the issue of helping weaker guilds? Because it really seems like the first to me, and I understand why you’d be annoyed by the first – it’s justified in a sense, because they really are unstoppable. However, trying to take the high path of “help each other” really doesn’t hold up to how game mechanics work.
(back to me)
You are absolutely right, and that makes perfect sense. /quote

Now, that is cherry picking a post alright, and it’s a fine example of the methods of moderator abuse you use. I was mainly agreeing with the rest of the post, but even this statement is true, per se; the entire point I was trying to make was that this ‘rule’ was taking away the one realistic opportunity there was to defeat a stronger guild. All your quoting is just some text between a lot of formatting commands. Doesn’t mean you can’t edit it, because obviously you did majorly edit that post.

This went to an R2 mod last week, and a kong mod yesterday.

juggalo, you did more flaming in a few short messages than happened on some entire pages.

There are still multiple places within the thread referring to the original ban threats, causing a schizm in the discussion. It’s still in some of the player’s responses, if you read between the lines. KE can be easily found to be a flamer, inciting people, insulting their intelligence, their spelling, and whatever he could pick away at.

The most interesting part of the tread to me is after it was re-opened. Take a step-by-step look at the proceedings. KE calls me out. I continue the discussion ignoring his flaming. I get jumped on saying it’s already been decided by an R2 mod’ (the R2 mod available only through Ke’s posts in kong, might I add), well yeah, okay but continued discussion on the ‘intrinsic merits’ which I keep to, except to answer Ke’s repeated demands. No matter the answer given, and by whom, it’s ignored.

Are we at 10 more times now that we wants a list of people? and yet when people come prove him wrong they are discounted. I’m not relying on these people. I don’t know them. They came of their own accord and confirmed what I said. Atreylune said ‘all of Chaos could attest to that’. Is he asking for a list of every last member explicitly saying FH was the first and only known occurrence? No. He just wants to ignore the fact that he’s wrong. he wants me to provide a list of people, without relying on other people. It’s like asking for ‘the sound of one hand clapping’, as is asking for screen shots of what was removed prior to asking. It’s like taking quotes, cutting the pieces up and making it sound like i agreed to something that was obviously now well out of context.

He’s even demanding I type the way he wants me to type. It’s really quite insane.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Yeah, but where’s the proof? ;)

Iz joke.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

No, the threatening bans came in game to all the guild leaders, as well as existed in the original posts before they were altered. That’s why it originally says that instead of submitting an in-game ticket, we could PM KE instead. He also said if enough people complained about a certain player it would result in a ban, so send him screen shots. the pm seems really sweet and nice, but it was sent at a time when there was absolutely nothing so far as proof of his claims. Even still, with over a hundred servers, R2 has nothing on forums or rules regarding the issue. It can only be found right here on kong, and I get the feeling R2 servers don’t come check our forums for ‘rules’ updates.

And, he was in BH at the time this thread was created, and he realised it threatened him.

The way it endangered is that BH was, as you posted atreylune, that ZionSparta and Chaos were approached to take players so that those two guilds could take players from FH to defeat BH if we were to meet them.

We kind of all realised FH was unbeatable, but thought that with some strategy, BH still would be. Then, this began. The rest is history, and we all know how history tends to proceed, and what they say about who writes it.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Well, Astrocat, the issue is KE jumped the gun here, announcing a rule that still isn’t to be found on R2 forums two weeks later, that was and/or is unknown to the actual game mods, and stating that players would be banned or have their accounts frozen, when that has never been the case. It took KE almost 2 weeks to dig up a little bit of evidence, for something that can still only be found on our server. The R2 admins said ‘all you can say is that this is being resolved’, which does not mean that two weeks prior players were to be banned, and if you read the post, it was obviously the first time they had discussed the issue. When this was exposed, he went back and covered his tracks. This thread was re-opened for discussion and ‘rhetoric’, and about the attacks: if he can’t find a counter-point, he will insult a player’s spelling, grammar, intelligence and person. Anything I said about KE was only true. Yet, when I continue the ‘discussion’ that the thread was re-opened for, but all I get in return is personal insults, you finger pointing and snobbery.

As KE’s screenshot says, this was allegedly ‘rampant’, yet recently, he absolutely will not believe it ever happened. We’ve managed between leaders of the top four guild now to come up with 6 people who committed this ‘rampant’ behavior. KE still wants ‘proof’ that it ever occurred at all.

Originally posted by KnowingEyes:

Thread reopened since the discussion (save the flaming and trolling) has intrinsic merit. Informational announcement re-stickied and locked.

The next post he decides to mock the guys spelling, as his main point, and drag me back in with some taunting.

Then, read my next post. I reasonably explain why this should be in the game. Remember this is just a ‘discussion’ at this point. I’ll skip all the other flamers, and continue to the next KE post. He want proof FH at some point committed a guild swap. Myself, and several other well known members including FH leadership confirmed this, and yet I’m still harassed.

At this point I make another reasonable thread. At the end of it, I say KE is being self righteous and ignorant for attacking another player based on his spelling. I say he is spoon feeding the admins his opinions. Why? Because this ‘rampant’ activity can be traced to 6 people who did it once.

Thus we’ve come to this page, I have some pleasant discussion with some other people, agree with Atreylune’s post about why we should not bea able to guild swap, discuss with some key players the true history of the guild swap… Then I’m called out again to provide this proof I just provided, and told that their accounts aren’t relevant to the proof KE asked for, and received. He pre-empted me in posting his pm to me giving at least some proof to the greater sum of threatening posts removed. I stated that if I was telling the truth about FH and guild swap, and the references he made to being a game mod and he was not, then likely it was the same case with the other point: that he abused his power, and now he’s directly threatening my kong account. If that isn’t an abuse of power, I don’t know what is.

KE also states again what could be easily construed to be declaring game mod power Though I am only a vet in-game, I am a forum moderator and allegations such as these won’t be tolerated. Does that mean he is an R2vet? If so, his screenshot of the R2vet on the bullhorn could easily be he himself. If not, it is somewhat misleading to state that he is a ‘vet’ in in the same sentence he declares his other title, mod, to merely state that he’s experienced in the game. I don’t know that you could be #1 br on a server without being experienced, and I’m thus inclined to think that he is in fact a game mod, and could very well have posted his own shout as ‘evidence’. This belief is supported by the now removed statements referring to in-game powers that have been removed.

That’s the issue, as it stands.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by KnowingEyes:

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:

I didn’t say those 50 players were in FH, and I am also not in FH. I’m saying players left FH and joined our guild for a battle. I didn’t break any rules. I’ve never swapped, accepted a swap, or anything related, only an observer. I did make some negotiations toward an alliance with Floofy at the start of GW’s and that’s the measure of it. I’m also not giving you the fuel you need to start knocking off your enemies. You’ve done a pretty fine job of that so far. It’s a truth everybody knows, and no matter how pretentious you get about it, fact does not change.

Actually, you are breaking rules – and I’ll get to this later.

I will admit, I mistakenly added ForceHonor – but you had better cease throwing weight behind your argument in terms of numbers. Still waiting for the “50”. Still no proof. Still hot air. Still nothing from your side that proves any of what you say is true. You’re the typical armchair warrior who writes checks with his mouth that his a… logic can’t cash.

No. Proof. Still.

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:

That’s pretty much exactly what I remember, except, I don’t think the swap was FH v ZS..? Doesn’t quite add up. You might be right Sunlit, but i can’t quite recall the details. just seems strange we’d accept FH members against FH. I’m almost certain it was another battle.

Proof enough of the second claim KE? Or do you want another 48 ppl? Lends some validity to the first claim too, I’d say.

No sir. You don’t get off the hook you created that easily. Yes, I am waiting for the other 48 – and to recap for you, it’s interesting to note how you keep using proof offered by others rather than formulating your own. Very telling.

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:

Just to recap, that claim was that you sanitized a lot of earlier posts you made giving ban threats, and abusing mod powers. Unfortunately I don’t have sight in to the future, or a time machine, and so no, I cannot produce screen shots.

Here is where you’re stepping over the line. Again, I ask you, where is your proof of these “ban threats/stealth sanitizing” mentionings? Your accusations had better be founded, else we will have a problem. Though I am only a vet in-game, I am a forum moderator and allegations such as these won’t be tolerated.

And, yet again, where is your PROOF of all this? The moment you opened your facial crevice and uttered these ill-fated words should have been the moment you realized your error – if and only if you had no proof. Since your façade seems to be calm, you must be sitting on an avalanche of evidence. Where is it?

Lastly, notice how derailed this topic is – thanks and praise be to you, Val. Where in your senseless ramblings and, might I add, non-existent proof, laced with accusations, is the ORIGINAL TOPIC at hand? Might I remind you, it was about abusing the guildmember cooldown bug. Did you forget – again?

You are a very deeply troubled individual, KE, on a raging power trip. If you can’t believe the word from several top 100 players, from different factions, with different opinions on the entire discussion here, then you must have a very difficult time getting through life, which might be why you spend it digging up power wherever you can and using it to threaten other people. Three well known players with leadership roles from three guilds just told you exactly the same thing I said, and you put your fingers in your ears and go ‘lalalala’?

You never got to the part where I was breaking any rules. I negotiated an informal merge, aka, an alliance, well before this thread ever opened, with no real knowledge of how it would function. We also never had people leave our guild to join a battle. Should we not accept people who leave to join another guild now too? Are you creating another new rule here? I still can’t find either over at R2, where the real ‘game’ mods tell me I can find the rules posted. Maybe the rules say I can’t disagree with you? Can’t expose your abuses? Before you go look, they don’t.

Quote KE: Lastly, notice how derailed this topic is – thanks and praise be to you, Val. Where in your senseless ramblings and, might I add, non-existent proof, laced with accusations, is the ORIGINAL TOPIC at hand? Might I remind you, it was about abusing the guildmember cooldown bug. Did you forget – again? /quote

Ke, you said yourself this was for continued discussion and rhetoric. This is also discussion about the history, origin and use of the feature you’re talking about. You must have forgotten-again.

Quote KE: No sir. You don’t get off the hook you created that easily. Yes, I am waiting for the other 48 – and to recap for you, it’s interesting to note how you keep using proof offered by others rather than formulating your own. Very telling. /quote

So, instead of other people offering proof, you’d like me to find other people to offer proof??? I’m preeeetty sure that’s what you asked for. Is this a riddle? What is people, and yet not people?

Quote Atreylune: I am Bryant in-game, by the way. Ask the rest of Chaos, they were there when it was happening. /quote

Quote Bullcarp: also I’m an officer from FH, so come at me bro to clear up stuffs…
1. FH did a 6 member swap with ZionSparta during the FH v ZionSparta battle in the 1st week of gbs. ZionSparta offered to do a swap with FH (mostly centered around the player Quintessa) in the upcoming FH v BH war 2 days later, but FH declined. hugss joined the guild after the FH win over BH, and requested to participate in the FH v WP war. Our leadership declined and eventually kicked him. That’s our entire guild history of guild battle swaps and attempted swaps sans le drama.
2. I like pie and I cannot lie
Ever so punctual,
~SunlitVoid, Keeper of the Tilde /quote

quote rpgmanes: nope, XpassionX (who is FLoofy) wanted to do Guild swap so we could win VS Boobheaven we did not do a guild swap!
Ask him (but i know he will say the other way that we did it hehe) /quote

I am from ZionSparta, and I can also attest to what these fellows have said, except rpgmanes is incorrect, and as Floofy would say, it did happen.

Quote KE: Here is where you’re stepping over the line. Again, I ask you, where is your proof of these “ban threats/stealth sanitizing” mentionings? Your accusations had better be founded, else we will have a problem. Though I am only a vet in-game, I am a forum moderator and allegations such as these won’t be tolerated.
And, yet again, where is your PROOF of all this? The moment you opened your facial crevice and uttered these ill-fated words should have been the moment you realized your error – if and only if you had no proof. Since your façade seems to be calm, you must be sitting on an avalanche of evidence. Where is it? /quote

Evidence is above. Evidence is in the pm you sent me. The rest of it you deleted when it was proven you were never told to offer bans.

Look, KE, if this means war, then war it will be. You said you wanted to be reprehensible; you’ve gone to lengths to prove it. It looks as if we’re fighting on a new front now.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by Bullcarp:

Originally posted by Bullcarp:

More suggestions

Award the VIP 2 hours tokens every 10 levels. Everyone should have a kyanite shortage, and not a surplus
***Make it so that guild members who are in guild for less than 3 days cannot participate in guild battles. I think this should be prioritized and implemented as fast as possible

This was me on the suggestions, from the first week of gbs
ofc no one reads my posts though

also I’m an officer from FH, so come at me bro to clear up stuffs…
1. FH did a 6 member swap with ZionSparta during the FH v ZionSparta battle in the 1st week of gbs. ZionSparta offered to do a swap with FH (mostly centered around the player Quintessa) in the upcoming FH v BH war 2 days later, but FH declined. hugss joined the guild after the FH win over BH, and requested to participate in the FH v WP war. Our leadership declined and eventually kicked him. That’s our entire guild history of guild battle swaps and attempted swaps sans le drama.
2. I like pie and I cannot lie

Ever so punctual,
~SunlitVoid, Keeper of the Tilde

That’s pretty much exactly what I remember, except, I don’t think the swap was FH v ZS..? Doesn’t quite add up. You might be right Sunlit, but i can’t quite recall the details. just seems strange we’d accept FH members against FH. I’m almost certain it was another battle.

Proof enough of the second claim KE? Or do you want another 48 ppl? Lends some validity to the first claim too, I’d say. Just to recap, that claim was that you sanitized a lot of earlier posts you made giving ban threats, and abusing mod powers. Unfortunately I don’t have sight in to the future, or a time machine, and so no, I cannot produce screen shots.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by atreylune:

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:
atreylune, you do make some good points. However, most guilds below the top 3 cannot even field an entire team, and guild leaders take how many members they expect to show up when considering if and who they should adopt for the battle. Most guild I’ve fought have 15 or 20 people show up, and once they figure out they are being destroyed, and can’t leave their spawn, half of them leave. Fairytale was down to 5 people left fighting by the end of the battle last time we were matched against them.

It still doesn’t matter whether there are 15, 20, or two. If that guild lets ForceHonor fill the rest up with 40 of their members, it’s ForceHonor that gets stronger, not that guild. You can’t deny that. It’s a totally unfair advantage for ForceHonor to have 90 of their members gain guildwar rewards per week.

(Just using FH as an example; it could be any guild with more than 50 “strong” players that use this method to gather more rewards for themselves than they should get. Including ZionSparta.)

They way to make guildwars fun for lower guilds isn’t to swarm them with high-power temps. The guildleaders of the lower ones should take the responsibility of explaining why showing up even if it’s to afk for 40 minutes is an amazing deal for the losing rewards, and having people show up to get rewards and get stronger for next time. Eventually, they’ll have a group of people that can compete – maybe not with BH or FH, but Chaos/Zionsparta/Crusaders aren’t out of their reach.

So, it boils down to the issue here. Are you mad that there’s no way to beat BH or FH – because at the moment, there isn’t – or are you genuinely pushing the issue of helping weaker guilds? Because it really seems like the first to me, and I understand why you’d be annoyed by the first – it’s justified in a sense, because they really are unstoppable. However, trying to take the high path of “help each other” really doesn’t hold up to how game mechanics work.

…

The thing is, if you implemented the idea that you can only compete for one guild every week, its possible the FH/BH people who are lower and who don’t get to compete in GBs (assuming they take the highest BR people and leave the rest) have more incentive to permanently join the lower guilds and help power them up. I’m willing to bet a few people at least would rather switch somewhere – or that newer people would rather join somewhere – where they have a chance to compete in all the battles, rather than stick with a guild where everybody is stronger and they’re usually left out unless it’s a boring easy battle anyway. BH and FH sure aren’t going to field people with 14k BR in their battle against each other. That 14k BR person might be better off somewhere like ZionSparta, with this system.

You are absolutely right, and that makes perfect sense.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by KnowingEyes:

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:

You want me to start a petition, and put in hours of work, so that you can use that to justify what? Bans or punishments against FH, your only competitor, and thus finish the job you started yourself by creating this thread and spoon feeding the admins your opinions?

You know what I find humorous? You constantly call me out and want my proof – and multiple times I have given such, even going so far as to posting something you were allegedly and purporting to do. Now twice when I call your bluff and desire proof, you either “can’t get a screen shot for something that no longer exists” or outright refuse to give it. It is your fault if you cannot get anyone to back you which you need to do in order to validate your claim. All I wanted was the names of 50 players in ForceHonor that can “attest” to the exploit. You made this claim – no one else – and yet you can’t even follow up your own boasts.

Recall I said you were trying to lawyer your way out of all this? Lawyering requires proof and you, sir, as your supporter Spazy so aptly stated, “FAIL”.

It’s also ironic that Spazy called me out on proof – I gave it – and now you cannot give yours. What does Spazy say about this? :)

I didn’t say those 50 players were in FH, and I am also not in FH. I’m saying players left FH and joined our guild for a battle. I didn’t break any rules. I’ve never swapped, accepted a swap, or anything related, only an observer. I did make some negotiations toward an alliance with Floofy at the start of GW’s and that’s the measure of it. I’m also not giving you the fuel you need to start knocking off your enemies. You’ve done a pretty fine job of that so far. It’s a truth everybody knows, and no matter how pretentious you get about it, fact does not change.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by KnowingEyes:

Originally posted by Valchrist1313:

Lol, FH invented the guild swap, and were the first to use it. I could get 50 ppl easily who can attest to that. 51, if I asked 51 ppl. It was originally going to be used to defeat BH, which also answer’s KE’s question “how does that benefit me?”.

You just opened up a can of worms. When FH sees this, they’ll just say they could have beaten BH anyway without the exploit – it just would have taken additional time (read: not do the issue at hand). Still don’t see how this benefits me or any in Boobheaven.

Now I can do this to you: Where are your “50 people easily who can attest to that”? Proof please?

You want me to start a petition, and put in hours of work, so that you can use that to justify what? Bans or punishments against FH, your only competitor, and thus finish the job you started yourself by creating this thread and spoon feeding the admins your opinions?

Qutoe rpgmanes: nope, XpassionX (who is FLoofy) wanted to do Guild swap so we could win VS Boobheaven we did not do a guild swap!
Ask him (but i know he will say the other way that we did it hehe)
Now stop whining everyone the dev said it was wrong to do this
KE you can now Close this topic /quote

You know Floofy will say they did, because it is the truth. FH did many guild swaps. Some of their members fought for my guild.

Originally posted by MarcRemilliard:

I’ve already mentioned this in-game, and in passing in my previous post, but since the whinefest continues, might as well post it here also.
If it really bothers you that much to wait 24hrs, and you don’t want to pay for the cooldown item, just be a total asshat(within the TOS) to all the guild officers & the guild leader till someone get’s fed up with you and kicks you. Ergo, the letter of the law has been respected, you’re guildless sans cooldown, and R2 will have to find a new excuse to force you to buy stuff.
Just figured I might share this lil jewel of logic and hopefully finish the pointless flaming. Have a good one guys, and remember, it’s only against the rules to ask politely to be kicked. Beein an asshat is completely legal, afaik.

The problem with this, is we all want to be in our guilds and keep helping them become stronger. We also want to make it possible to challenge a guild who is stronger. These ‘rules’ have made fulfilling both of those objectives impossible.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by JuggaloMole:

You are all acting like a bunch of children, the senior GM said the issue will be fixed, it is an obvious exploit to avoid the CD price. You can still do this, you just have to spend money to kill the CD. Crying at KE who can’t physically do anything to you in game is retarded. Go complain on the official forums and see how fast they shut you down. This is going to happen. DEAL WITH IT.

edit I am the one that brought this exploit to life, blame me, I am the one who ruined it for all of you, and I am glad I did, cheaters only ruin games, you don’t deserve to play a game if you can’t do it legit.

/end thread.

Did you miss the part saying this was re-opened for continued discussion and rhetoric?

Originally posted by KnowingEyes:

Thread reopened since the discussion (save the flaming and trolling) has intrinsic merit. Informational announcement re-stickied and locked.

You are obviously have an ego much bigger than your self censored. You also have your own interpretation of what is fair, and what is not, and we happen to be completely opposite in that opinion.

atreylune, you do make some good points. However, most guilds below the top 3 cannot even field an entire team, and guild leaders take how many members they expect to show up when considering if and who they should adopt for the battle. Most guild I’ve fought have 15 or 20 people show up, and once they figure out they are being destroyed, and can’t leave their spawn, half of them leave. Fairytale was down to 5 people left fighting by the end of the battle last time we were matched against them.

KE said: Anyone who wants to switch guilds can – but under the current setup, can do so only ONCE between guild battles instead of a virtually unlimited amount of times. ////// Oh, and your $4/2x/4x/$1600 argument dumbfounds me. Who in his or her right mind would pay that? It’s far cheaper to just wait out the cooldown isn’t it? This sounds like the MPAA/RIAA, when faced with piracy, counting every illegal download as a lost sale. /quote

Unfortunately they would need to switch twice to remain a member of their guild, and would lose their guild skills for 9/10ths of game time. This makes your suggestion impossible.

Quote KE: I don’t see how a little proofreading would hurt. You did do that in grade school, right? We’re not talking about the occasional mistake; he almost made it into the ‘double digits’. Wherever did I say I was “almighty”? Where did that quirk come from? /quote

That came from your self-righteous and ignorant behavior, which you’ve proven time and again through this and many other threads. Your supporters have much worse spelling, grammar, and syntax than your detractors have had, but you get all fond and cuddly with them.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Originally posted by rpgmanes:

Originally posted by spazyspaz:

You are making up rules to justify something your own guild has likely done, and now that your guild suffered a defeat because otehr guilds all banded together and sent their MvP’s to the guild against you and won, you are now crying about it.

Say what man? sorry to tell you but i am an Vice-Leader in ForceHonor and WE NEVER recruited people for our battle against BoobHeaven we beated them with our own guildmate so before saying false stuff JUST verify your damned idiot source, thanks you

Lol, FH invented the guild swap, and were the first to use it. I could get 50 ppl easily who can attest to that. 51, if I asked 51 ppl. It was originally going to be used to defeat BH, which also answer’s KE’s question “how does that benefit me?”.

Originally posted by KnowingEyes: I still fail to see how explaining to not abuse an exploit, when the proper method to alleviate the guild member cooldown in game is available for purchase, is exploiting not only my moderator powers but influencing my power in game. This is the crux of my question to both you and Val – yet neither of you will answer this. Insofar as this being a “false rule”, did you even read what both GMs said? If you still cannot grasp that – how about coping with the cooldown as intended? I promise you and Val with both be better people for it. :) END QUOTE

I’ve already explained this twice. Guild cool down was created at a time when guild battles did not exist, and were created thus for an entirely different reason. They were implemented to make it more difficult for higher ranking guilds to easily recruit members from lower ranking guilds, and rob them of any chance to have decent members. It was a punitive measure to make a player think twice before ditching his guild.

This is an entirely seperate issue than the reason that the CD was implemented to begin with, and one that did not exist at that time. No one is ditching their guild. We are building bigger and more complex relationships between players, groups and guilds, and lending our power so that a weaker group may actually have a fighting chance at defeating a stronger group. Generally this is done at a risk to the player who decides to help, because they are more likley to lose in the ‘real’ battle than the pushovers they were officially matched against. Thus it gives the weaker members of the guild who gives to participate, their opponents to have a more even match, and for both teams to who players are given to also have a more competitive and enjoyable battle. KE, you keep suggesting that we spend $4 for an item to switch, 2X per battle, 4X a week, amounting to some $1,600 a year so that we can assist another group in not getting crushed every second day like clockwork.

Originally posted by rpgmanes:

Originally posted by spazyspaz:

Stop exploiting moderator powers to influence your power in the game by introducing false rules

Hey Spaz did you see what i wrote in page 3 and in your profile? Did you see Yourself is sending false information to everyone by saying that WE ForceHonor recruited people to be able to be number1? Do you know that we did not did that and will never do it?

NOw shut up READ what KE wrote and just don’T take part that you just want and throw the rest over your shoulder

And stop being a cry-baby…. you look like a 12 year old currently always whining….

Originally posted by rpgmanes:

And Spaz i have Flaged your post because you are currently harrassing a Forum Moderator by flaming and full of falsehood

Thanks you and have a nice day :P

rpgmanes, I ‘Flaged’ your post because you are currently ‘harrassing’ Spazy by flaming, being a hypocrite, and saying what a hundred people know is false.

‘Thanks’ you and have whatever kind of day you feel like. Hey if KE can start going after people’s grammar and spelling, and since no one can be better than the almighty KE at any cost, than I can stoop a little too.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

I can’t get a screen shot for something that no longer exists, though I thank you for posting the pm.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

Sure. While Pms between players are illegal on R2 forums, they are not on Kong forums, so nice try.
I’ll edit in the screen shot here for your pm when I’m done dinner, GB, BG, open up a photobucket account and so forth.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

I have read both, and the closest things come is ‘using a bug to exploit the system’ not exploiting a feature in the game. You have threatened account freeze and punishment. You’ve done a good job of washing out your original posts, but I still have a pm with your name on it.

I noticed you got pretty ‘creative’ as well with your presentation. As the old saying goes, the answer you get depends on how you ask the question.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

You aren’t making any attempt to understand the issue here. What I said was that I should be getting this information from an R2 source, and not the player I see in the battlegrounds. That was meant to say you are a player, not a GM, and I should not be expected to follow the orders of a competitor who cannot give solid evidence for the claims and threats he has made.

Edit: Before you reply that you are not a gm and are powerless to do anything ect. ect. you’ve clearly not acted as such. In the 1st an 9th post, you’ve stated that if a player doesn’t want to use the ticket system they can simply PM you, and circumvent the proper authorities. You’ve decided to take that power upon yourself.

Topic: Wartune / Guildmember Cooldown & Other Exploits Discussion

The only thing I see in your screenshot referring to anything is the word ‘it’. ‘It’ hardly means anything.

Also, he clearly states “All you can really say is that techs are resolving [sic]”

yet you’ve threatened account freezes and punishment, when clearly you were not instructed to do so. This could just as well mean that players can continue with the game mechanics ‘as-is’ until such time as a resolution is made. You’ve still been unable to produce any concrete information instituting this as a rule.