Topic: Serious Discussion /
Alternative energy sources
Originally posted by Ferretferret:
Originally posted by SaintAjora:
While it is an interesting idea, I note that the video creator is unable to properly spell. It bothers me. I’ll watch the video when I can get past that annoyance.
I have the same problem.
Go hydro power! (Even if I really don’t have any links or things like that to show why)
Only real solution, especially in the US, is nuclear power and clean coal also I think we should be looking into geothermal power much more. Why?
Let’s look at the positives for 1. nuke and 2. coal first:
1) a. Nuclear power is cheap
b. Its effiecent
c. Mass energy
d.Reactors produce little waste compared to how much energy they produce
e.energy independent, we produce our own radioactive’s
f. great export—> export energy, make big money
g. long lasting solution
h. You need less power plants to provide power for x amount of people
2) a. US has one of (or the) largest deposits of coal in the world
b. cheap
c. it’s immensely AVAILBLE to us now
c. advances in technology reduce pollution by a large amount
d. lets us be energy independent
e. did i mention cheap? Cheap to mine, cheap to burn, cheap to use and cheap to dispose
f. provides jobs, guess what many families rely on mining still
g. export power
3. Geo
a. consistent yeild of energy. The geothermal spot wouldn’t be going anywhere and it stays pretty consistent heat wise
b. low cost, our molten lava core does all the work for us
c. good energy yeild
d. doesn’t pollute and is ‘renewable’
e. 24 hours a day 365 a year for many, many years
f. low maintence and doesn’t require too large of an external footprint, most of the pipes are underground
Let’s look at cons of I)Solar II)Hydro and III)wind/ocean
I) a. High cost for low output
b. depends heavily on weather
c. high maintence
d. COST, it’s prohibitevly expensive. People are champoining solar panels for everyone and especially 3rd world countries. Let’s look at the reality, last I checked the cheapest solar panel was 392 or so dollars (this was 2 years ago or so) and that panel was able to run a single 30 or 60 watt incandensent lightbulb a day, oh and let me add this was in a sunny spot of Africa…
e.only works sun-up to sun-down (assuming that there is even enough sun to provide anything more than marginal output)
f. large footprint, there is no such thing as a small or moderate sized panel… Unless your looking to charge a cellphone after leaving it out for 12hours…
II)Hydro-
a. not avaible everywhere
b. pollutes and damages enviroment. Kills fish and disrupts thier stream. Also to make a large hydrodamn you have to be EXTREMELLY invasive to the enviroment. Have to flood large areas…
c. Disrupts slit movement, basically hurts the soil for the rest of the area below the damn
d. EXPENSIVE
e.Can break and if there is a flash flood they can obliberate the area below it for miles. (It happened to us, 30% of my city was flooded, destroyed farm lands/roads and houses.)
f. Dependent on movement of river and continuity of river. If the river moves your SoL if it dries up your SoL.
III) Wind
a. stupid
b. low productivity (Meyers [a supermarkert chain] did a study to see how many latest-technology turbine it would need to power it’s store, it found it was on upwards of 500 large turbine…)
c. depends on wind
d. not avaible everywhere
e.large footprint and you cant just put them anywhere you know
f. kills lot’s and lot’s of birds
g. expensive
IV) Ocean/mechanical movement- I don’t know much about this I’ll admit but I do know:
a. not avaible everywhere
b. depends on weather
c. probablly takes large amounts of space to produce anything
Basically it’s like this, ‘renewable energy’ is somewhat of a joke. I think the best ‘renewable’ is geo but still even that is no where near as good as nuclear. Renewable energy is an important matter, our society and the future of our civilization requires energy and will be needing much more. We have to start looking beyond just oil, especially since we don’t produce much here at home.
Setting up 1000’s of wind and solar plants is not only infeasible but a pipe dream. The cost is prohibitive and the benefits are small. We need large amounts of energy that are consistent and cheap. Without enough avaible energy not only would we stagnate but it would be our demise.