<blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href='/forums/9/topics/44151?page=2#posts-958069'>jjuanksta</a>:</cite> And how are you so sure that my thoughts of prison are all from these television dramas? pray tell, have you ever know what its like to have to live off of drug money? no, you had at least one perant or gaurdian to buy you food and cloth and shelter. have you ever wondered where you were going to get your next meal because you didnt have the money to get food? most prison systems are heaven compared to the lives that certian people live.</blockquote> Slinging rock on the corner is a great way to get killed or go to jail. Then who is going to provide for your family? So your argument only supports stopping the war by decreasing the chance of a poor family's provider getting killed. <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/44151?page=2#posts-958069">jjuanksta</a>:</cite> And how are you so sure that my thoughts of prison are all from these television dramas? pray tell, have you ever know what its like to have to live off of drug money? no, you had at least one perant or gaurdian to buy you food and cloth and shelter. have you ever wondered where you were going to get your next meal because you didnt have the money to get food? most prison systems are heaven compared to the lives that certian people live.</blockquote> Slinging rock on the corner is a great way to get killed or go to jail. Then who is going to provide for your family? So your argument only supports stopping the war by decreasing the chance of a poor family’s provider getting killed.

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It's obvious that the status quo isn't working. No matter what your view on the war and on drugs ,it's a very hard hill to defend to say that there have been _any_ improvements since it's conception. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A simple search on google news for war on drugs brings up not a single positive article on it’s accomplishments. http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=war+on+drugs&cf=all&start=30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only recent article I have seen is this one http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/20/james-g-harpring-pro-con-america-winning-war-drugs/ . Which is written by a sherrif but more than that it reads like yellow-journalism. It repeats “America is winning, America is winning…” but lacks a single number or constructive statement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let’s forget about wither drug usage is wrong or right for the moment and focus on wither usage is increasing or decreasing. Fox news says (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518399,00.html )that drug use among only the young has decreased 25% from 2001-2008 (at the end of the article they go on to say a whopping 50%... :/ )but these statistics disagree http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/HSYouthtrends.html . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the numbers say that usage is level or increasing. Let’s consider now the ethics of the policy. The war on drugs is a war on people and a profit machine. The reason why drugs were outlawed wasn’t because the government cared about your health but rather it was created as a racist policy and later on in the Nixon administration the controlled substance act was created because of Jews, commies and radical demonstrators (power trip anyone?), not mention it provides a nice way to turn a large profit for a lot of companies. Check out the now declassified Nixon tapes on this http://www.alternet.org/story/12666/?page=2 . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marijuana was propagandized in the early 1920’s to make it look like it caused black men to rape women and it was associated with those dirty Mexicans, evil Jews, demonstrators, gays and commies. Alcohol prohibition was started because it was the reason for all of societies ills. Opium caused those yellow folk to become uppity and we were scared that the china-towns of the US would uprise and overthrow our government. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the drug war was founded on something more than just racism, profit and a power-trip maybe I could support it. That said it wouldn’t have started if it were based on logic and facts. The original commission on marijuana found that there was no reason to criminalize it and the team was promptly fired by Nixon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prison companies are making gold from the war. The US has 5% of the population and 25% of the prison population http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1209-01.htm and some say it’s rising! That’s higher than Russia and China who lag behind in 2nd and 3rd place… Of course not all those are because of drugs but a sizable amount is. The prison complex has seen huge growth, there isn’t enough room for all of our criminals (1 in 32 americans are in prison). It’s gotten to the point that non-violent drug offenders are taking the place of violent criminals (who are released early). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe that the government has no place in deciding what goes in or out of my body. The state is not my nanny nor my mother. The governments function is to protect it’s citizens, yes, but it does not have the right to control me. We spend billions a year on an epic failure and ruin many of our citizen’s lives. Those are some of my views and this is the short list lol. It's obvious that the status quo isn't working. No matter what your view on the war and on drugs ,it's a very hard hill to defend to say that there have been _any_ improvements since it's conception. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A simple search on google news for war on drugs brings up not a single positive article on it’s accomplishments. <a href="http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=war+on+drugs&cf=all&start=30">http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=war+on+drugs&cf=all&start=30</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only recent article I have seen is this one <a href="http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/20/james-g-harpring-pro-con-america-winning-war-drugs/">http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/20/james-g-harpring-pro-con-america-winning-war-drugs/</a> . Which is written by a sherrif but more than that it reads like yellow-journalism. It repeats “America is winning, America is winning…” but lacks a single number or constructive statement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let’s forget about wither drug usage is wrong or right for the moment and focus on wither usage is increasing or decreasing. Fox news says (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518399,00.html">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518399,00.html</a> )that drug use among only the young has decreased 25% from 2001-2008 (at the end of the article they go on to say a whopping 50%... :/ )but these statistics disagree <a href="http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/HSYouthtrends.html">http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/HSYouthtrends.html</a> . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the numbers say that usage is level or increasing. Let’s consider now the ethics of the policy. The war on drugs is a war on people and a profit machine. The reason why drugs were outlawed wasn’t because the government cared about your health but rather it was created as a racist policy and later on in the Nixon administration the controlled substance act was created because of Jews, commies and radical demonstrators (power trip anyone?), not mention it provides a nice way to turn a large profit for a lot of companies. Check out the now declassified Nixon tapes on this <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/12666/?page=2">http://www.alternet.org/story/12666/?page=2</a> . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marijuana was propagandized in the early 1920’s to make it look like it caused black men to rape women and it was associated with those dirty Mexicans, evil Jews, demonstrators, gays and commies. Alcohol prohibition was started because it was the reason for all of societies ills. Opium caused those yellow folk to become uppity and we were scared that the china-towns of the US would uprise and overthrow our government. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the drug war was founded on something more than just racism, profit and a power-trip maybe I could support it. That said it wouldn’t have started if it were based on logic and facts. The original commission on marijuana found that there was no reason to criminalize it and the team was promptly fired by Nixon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prison companies are making gold from the war. The US has 5% of the population and 25% of the prison population <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1209-01.htm">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1209-01.htm</a> and some say it’s rising! That’s higher than Russia and China who lag behind in 2nd and 3rd place… Of course not all those are because of drugs but a sizable amount is. The prison complex has seen huge growth, there isn’t enough room for all of our criminals (1 in 32 americans are in prison). It’s gotten to the point that non-violent drug offenders are taking the place of violent criminals (who are released early). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe that the government has no place in deciding what goes in or out of my body. The state is not my nanny nor my mother. The governments function is to protect it’s citizens, yes, but it does not have the right to control me. We spend billions a year on an epic failure and ruin many of our citizen’s lives. Those are some of my views and this is the short list lol.

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<blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/44151?page=1#posts-957378">Kapowshazam</a>:</cite> Why would you want to do that?</blockquote> So let’s talk about why I support legalizing all drugs, yes all of them. A couple of reasons: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Legalizing drugs would destroy the black market thereby destroying drug-gang violence. All these people that are for the war always say “We must fight because every dollar spent on drugs goes to terrorists” Well I agree, let’s stop sending money to Mexican cartels and the Taliban’s opium and hash trade. There’s three ways to do that: a) destroy all drugs and/or drug usuage b)destroy all cartels and gangs c)destroy the black market. The way I see it there’s only one option, c). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Legalizing would destroy the taboo. In the US kids drink a lot and at young ages. Go outside of the US to a place with a lower age and it’s hard to find kids that play beer pong and slam 14 beers a night. Many say that taboo’s only serve to increase use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Legalizing would increase quality control thereby decreasing overdoses and deaths. Also it would decrease the rate of HIV/AIDS and other blood transmitted diseases. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Legalizing would stop ruining peoples lives and decrease prison population (though those that are in jail now would stay most likely because they would be grandfathered in). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Legalizing would stop many wrongful murders by the police. (<a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html">http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/...</a> ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Legalizing would save tax dollars and would enable police to focus on other crimes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Legalizing would help to start to heal the mistrust of police and increase respect for law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Legalizing would help some for US’s world perception by stopping US spraying posionus chemicals over villages and fields (not all of them drug fields, many food ones). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) Legalizing would make drugs taxable and make drug sales taxable too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Legalizing would free up many promising drugs for research that are currently stopped because of the near-impossibility of obtaining a license for research. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh and the big one, legalizing would DECREASE drug usage. Yep you heard right. <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080">http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080</a> check it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, if your interested there’s a criminal defense lawyer who made a quality article on legalization <a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html">http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor...</a> it’s a good read. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the end I would love to find someone for the drug war to see what they think.</blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/44151?page=1#posts-957378">Kapowshazam</a>:</cite> Why would you want to do that?</blockquote> So let’s talk about why I support legalizing all drugs, yes all of them. A couple of reasons: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Legalizing drugs would destroy the black market thereby destroying drug-gang violence. All these people that are for the war always say “We must fight because every dollar spent on drugs goes to terrorists” Well I agree, let’s stop sending money to Mexican cartels and the Taliban’s opium and hash trade. There’s three ways to do that: a) destroy all drugs and/or drug usuage b)destroy all cartels and gangs c)destroy the black market. The way I see it there’s only one option, c). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Legalizing would destroy the taboo. In the US kids drink a lot and at young ages. Go outside of the US to a place with a lower age and it’s hard to find kids that play beer pong and slam 14 beers a night. Many say that taboo’s only serve to increase use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Legalizing would increase quality control thereby decreasing overdoses and deaths. Also it would decrease the rate of HIV/AIDS and other blood transmitted diseases. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Legalizing would stop ruining peoples lives and decrease prison population (though those that are in jail now would stay most likely because they would be grandfathered in). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Legalizing would stop many wrongful murders by the police. (<a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html">http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/...</a> ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Legalizing would save tax dollars and would enable police to focus on other crimes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) Legalizing would help to start to heal the mistrust of police and increase respect for law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Legalizing would help some for US’s world perception by stopping US spraying posionus chemicals over villages and fields (not all of them drug fields, many food ones). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) Legalizing would make drugs taxable and make drug sales taxable too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Legalizing would free up many promising drugs for research that are currently stopped because of the near-impossibility of obtaining a license for research. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh and the big one, legalizing would DECREASE drug usage. Yep you heard right. <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080">http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080</a> check it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, if your interested there’s a criminal defense lawyer who made a quality article on legalization <a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html">http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor...</a> it’s a good read. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the end I would love to find someone for the drug war to see what they think.</blockquote></blockquote>

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I love how it only comes out as a blob... I love how it only comes out as a blob…

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Formatting didn't come out right D: I'll fix it lol it's ugly! Formatting didn’t come out right D: I’ll fix it lol it’s ugly!

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I see that there is a thread on marijuana but none on drugs, that's just not right! How do you feel about the war on drugs? Do you think it's winning or that we can 'win' it? If you think we can win it, when is your prediction for victory? Do you think it's effective? Do you think it's the government's job and jurisdticion? Also, if you could change anything about the current policy of this war what would it be? I wanna get a feel for this crowd and get into a quality debate. Please post links to support your arguments if you are referencing numbers and statistics or studies so that we can avoid a pseudo-debate. If you can't back up your numbers or claims by a reference then make sure that you point it out. I suppose that any reference works even if it's DEA or freevibe.com . I see that there is a thread on marijuana but none on drugs, that’s just not right! How do you feel about the war on drugs? Do you think it’s winning or that we can ‘win’ it? If you think we can win it, when is your prediction for victory? Do you think it’s effective? Do you think it’s the government’s job and jurisdticion? Also, if you could change anything about the current policy of this war what would it be? I wanna get a feel for this crowd and get into a quality debate. Please post links to support your arguments if you are referencing numbers and statistics or studies so that we can avoid a pseudo-debate. If you can’t back up your numbers or claims by a reference then make sure that you point it out. I suppose that any reference works even if it’s DEA or freevibe.com .

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Why don't pigs have human rights? Why do you think? Pigs aren't humans, what a horrible argument. Also, abortion shouldn't be illegal except for _some_ cases. Just because daddy is an a-hole does it mean you don't have a right to be born? Or because mommy was irresponsible one night does she have the right to kill you? And to those that say fathers shouldnt have any rights... It takes two to tango, women can't impregnate themselves. To create life it takes two parties each doing two equal jobs. Why shouldn't a father have a right to protect his child from getting murdered? Where do you draw that line saying that before x time it's just a parastic mass of cell and after x time it's a child? A fetus and an embryo are life they are growing. All of us have to grow, from fetus to infant to child to teenager to adult to senior. <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href='/forums/9/topics/38191?page=1#posts-802288'>Iggyshark</a>:</cite> I have a question for the anti-abortion crowd. You don’t like abortions, right? So don’t get one. Why do you feel the need to tell others that they can’t?</blockquote> Because we feel that baby murder makes for decent shock jokes but bad policy. We feel that murdering isn't okay even if you can't say your ABC's yet. What value do you place on life? Devaluing life is bad policy and is a slippery slope. Today's culture is all about death and doom, that's a fact. I know it's entertaining but should we base our ethics and morality on moives and TV? It's okay to kill and torture 50 people on the screen in the most gruesome and blood-curling manner and it gets rated pg-13 but show anything involving a little love or romance (not talking about porn) and it's R... Your right, I won't be getting an abortion and I won't be marrying anyone who thinks it's okay to kill my child. Why don’t pigs have human rights? Why do you think? Pigs aren’t humans, what a horrible argument. Also, abortion shouldn’t be illegal except for some cases. Just because daddy is an a-hole does it mean you don’t have a right to be born? Or because mommy was irresponsible one night does she have the right to kill you? And to those that say fathers shouldnt have any rights… It takes two to tango, women can’t impregnate themselves. To create life it takes two parties each doing two equal jobs. Why shouldn’t a father have a right to protect his child from getting murdered? Where do you draw that line saying that before x time it’s just a parastic mass of cell and after x time it’s a child? A fetus and an embryo are life they are growing. All of us have to grow, from fetus to infant to child to teenager to adult to senior. <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/38191?page=1#posts-802288">Iggyshark</a>:</cite> I have a question for the anti-abortion crowd. You don’t like abortions, right? So don’t get one. Why do you feel the need to tell others that they can’t?</blockquote> Because we feel that baby murder makes for decent shock jokes but bad policy. We feel that murdering isn’t okay even if you can’t say your ABC’s yet. What value do you place on life? Devaluing life is bad policy and is a slippery slope. Today’s culture is all about death and doom, that’s a fact. I know it’s entertaining but should we base our ethics and morality on moives and TV? It’s okay to kill and torture 50 people on the screen in the most gruesome and blood-curling manner and it gets rated pg-13 but show anything involving a little love or romance (not talking about porn) and it’s R… Your right, I won’t be getting an abortion and I won’t be marrying anyone who thinks it’s okay to kill my child.

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<blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href='/forums/9/topics/37573?page=1#posts-784161'>Ferretferret</a>:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/37573?page=1#posts-784154">SaintAjora</a>:</cite> While it is an interesting idea, I note that the video creator is unable to properly spell. It bothers me. I’ll watch the video when I can get past that annoyance.</blockquote> I have the same problem. Go hydro power! (Even if I really don’t have any links or things like that to show why)</blockquote> Only real solution, especially in the US, is nuclear power and clean coal also I think we should be looking into geothermal power much more. Why? Let's look at the positives for 1. nuke and 2. coal first: 1) a. Nuclear power is cheap b. Its effiecent c. Mass energy d.Reactors produce little waste compared to how much energy they produce e.energy independent, we produce our own radioactive's f. great export--> export energy, make big money g. long lasting solution h. You need less power plants to provide power for x amount of people 2) a. US has one of (or the) largest deposits of coal in the world b. cheap c. it's immensely AVAILBLE to us _now_ c. advances in technology reduce pollution by a large amount d. lets us be energy independent e. did i mention cheap? Cheap to mine, cheap to burn, cheap to use and cheap to dispose f. provides jobs, guess what _many_ families rely on mining still g. export power 3. Geo a. consistent yeild of energy. The geothermal spot wouldn't be going anywhere and it stays pretty consistent heat wise b. low cost, our molten lava core does all the work for us c. good energy yeild d. doesn't pollute and is 'renewable' e. 24 hours a day 365 a year for many, many years f. low maintence and doesn't require too large of an external footprint, most of the pipes are underground Let's look at cons of I)Solar II)Hydro and III)wind/ocean I) a. High cost for low output b. depends heavily on weather c. high maintence d. COST, it's prohibitevly expensive. People are champoining solar panels for everyone and especially 3rd world countries. Let's look at the reality, last I checked the cheapest solar panel was 392 or so dollars (this was 2 years ago or so) and that panel was able to run a single 30 or 60 watt incandensent lightbulb a day, oh and let me add this was in a sunny spot of Africa... e.only works sun-up to sun-down (assuming that there is even enough sun to provide anything more than marginal output) f. large footprint, there is no such thing as a small or moderate sized panel... Unless your looking to charge a cellphone after leaving it out for 12hours... II)Hydro- a. not avaible everywhere b. pollutes and damages enviroment. Kills fish and disrupts thier stream. Also to make a large hydrodamn you have to be EXTREMELLY invasive to the enviroment. Have to flood large areas... c. Disrupts slit movement, basically hurts the soil for the rest of the area below the damn d. EXPENSIVE e.Can break and if there is a flash flood they can obliberate the area below it for miles. (It happened to us, 30% of my city was flooded, destroyed farm lands/roads and houses.) f. Dependent on movement of river and continuity of river. If the river moves your SoL if it dries up your SoL. III) Wind a. stupid b. low productivity (Meyers [a supermarkert chain] did a study to see how many latest-technology turbine it would need to power it's store, it found it was on upwards of 500 large turbine...) c. depends on wind d. not avaible everywhere e.large footprint and you cant just put them anywhere you know f. kills lot's and lot's of birds g. expensive IV) Ocean/mechanical movement- I don't know much about this I'll admit but I do know: a. not avaible everywhere b. depends on weather c. probablly takes large amounts of space to produce anything Basically it's like this, 'renewable energy' is somewhat of a joke. I think the best 'renewable' is geo but still even that is no where near as good as nuclear. Renewable energy is an important matter, our society and the future of our civilization requires energy and will be needing much more. We have to start looking beyond just oil, especially since we don't produce much here at home. Setting up 1000's of wind and solar plants is not only infeasible but a pipe dream. The cost is prohibitive and the benefits are small. We need large amounts of energy that are consistent and cheap. Without enough avaible energy not only would we stagnate but it would be our demise. <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/37573?page=1#posts-784161">Ferretferret</a>:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/9/topics/37573?page=1#posts-784154">SaintAjora</a>:</cite> While it is an interesting idea, I note that the video creator is unable to properly spell. It bothers me. I’ll watch the video when I can get past that annoyance.</blockquote> I have the same problem. Go hydro power! (Even if I really don’t have any links or things like that to show why)</blockquote> Only real solution, especially in the US, is nuclear power and clean coal also I think we should be looking into geothermal power much more. Why? Let’s look at the positives for 1. nuke and 2. coal first: 1) a. Nuclear power is cheap b. Its effiecent c. Mass energy d.Reactors produce little waste compared to how much energy they produce e.energy independent, we produce our own radioactive’s f. great export—> export energy, make big money g. long lasting solution h. You need less power plants to provide power for x amount of people 2) a. US has one of (or the) largest deposits of coal in the world b. cheap c. it’s immensely AVAILBLE to us now c. advances in technology reduce pollution by a large amount d. lets us be energy independent e. did i mention cheap? Cheap to mine, cheap to burn, cheap to use and cheap to dispose f. provides jobs, guess what many families rely on mining still g. export power 3. Geo a. consistent yeild of energy. The geothermal spot wouldn’t be going anywhere and it stays pretty consistent heat wise b. low cost, our molten lava core does all the work for us c. good energy yeild d. doesn’t pollute and is ‘renewable’ e. 24 hours a day 365 a year for many, many years f. low maintence and doesn’t require too large of an external footprint, most of the pipes are underground Let’s look at cons of I)Solar II)Hydro and III)wind/ocean I) a. High cost for low output b. depends heavily on weather c. high maintence d. COST, it’s prohibitevly expensive. People are champoining solar panels for everyone and especially 3rd world countries. Let’s look at the reality, last I checked the cheapest solar panel was 392 or so dollars (this was 2 years ago or so) and that panel was able to run a single 30 or 60 watt incandensent lightbulb a day, oh and let me add this was in a sunny spot of Africa… e.only works sun-up to sun-down (assuming that there is even enough sun to provide anything more than marginal output) f. large footprint, there is no such thing as a small or moderate sized panel… Unless your looking to charge a cellphone after leaving it out for 12hours… II)Hydro- a. not avaible everywhere b. pollutes and damages enviroment. Kills fish and disrupts thier stream. Also to make a large hydrodamn you have to be EXTREMELLY invasive to the enviroment. Have to flood large areas… c. Disrupts slit movement, basically hurts the soil for the rest of the area below the damn d. EXPENSIVE e.Can break and if there is a flash flood they can obliberate the area below it for miles. (It happened to us, 30% of my city was flooded, destroyed farm lands/roads and houses.) f. Dependent on movement of river and continuity of river. If the river moves your SoL if it dries up your SoL. III) Wind a. stupid b. low productivity (Meyers [a supermarkert chain] did a study to see how many latest-technology turbine it would need to power it’s store, it found it was on upwards of 500 large turbine…) c. depends on wind d. not avaible everywhere e.large footprint and you cant just put them anywhere you know f. kills lot’s and lot’s of birds g. expensive IV) Ocean/mechanical movement- I don’t know much about this I’ll admit but I do know: a. not avaible everywhere b. depends on weather c. probablly takes large amounts of space to produce anything Basically it’s like this, ‘renewable energy’ is somewhat of a joke. I think the best ‘renewable’ is geo but still even that is no where near as good as nuclear. Renewable energy is an important matter, our society and the future of our civilization requires energy and will be needing much more. We have to start looking beyond just oil, especially since we don’t produce much here at home. Setting up 1000’s of wind and solar plants is not only infeasible but a pipe dream. The cost is prohibitive and the benefits are small. We need large amounts of energy that are consistent and cheap. Without enough avaible energy not only would we stagnate but it would be our demise.

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<blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href='/forums/1/topics/13?page=181#posts-955738'>indiasbull</a>:</cite> hey frnd i m using ur games for my site from last yr but today i join the community and find that topic . so my only suggestion is promote ur site in india as indian also love to play online game more then their old GF`S :P</blockquote> Nobody loves their old girlfriends! <blockquote><cite>Originally posted by <a href="/forums/1/topics/13?page=181#posts-955738">indiasbull</a>:</cite> hey frnd i m using ur games for my site from last yr but today i join the community and find that topic . so my only suggestion is promote ur site in india as indian also love to play online game more then their old GF`S :P</blockquote> Nobody loves their old girlfriends!

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Hello, Thanks for the great site, definitely one of the best out there for a quick time sink. Just an idea: It seems that those of us out of the US/Europe are have alot of trouble connecting and staying connected to the chat/achievements ( i am in latin america atm). It's constinently disconnecting and it seems MUCH more frequent since the update. Also it's ALOT less likey to reconnect. My browser is set up correctly as is my router/ports and firewall and my flash is fine, everything client side is ok. The kong-ware is missing a reconnect button, I think it auto-tries but it's hard to know what it's doing/what's going on and after a while it seems the auto-recconect just gives up. So maybe you could give it some thought to create a button to reconnect (and give a little more info on what's going wrong so that we can try to tweak some things! Becuase as it is it's impossible to even make a guess.) Or maybe a kong-lite, one where you have the option to just see achievements and all but with an option to completely close the chat (not just mute). Or maybe you could make it so that it stays connected ;)? Could you tell us what protocol it's using for chat and achievements? Anyways, thanks alot. P.s. Maybe this is not feasible but how about using IRC to update achievements and chat? Hello, Thanks for the great site, definitely one of the best out there for a quick time sink. Just an idea: It seems that those of us out of the US/Europe are have alot of trouble connecting and staying connected to the chat/achievements ( i am in latin america atm). It’s constinently disconnecting and it seems MUCH more frequent since the update. Also it’s ALOT less likey to reconnect. My browser is set up correctly as is my router/ports and firewall and my flash is fine, everything client side is ok. The kong-ware is missing a reconnect button, I think it auto-tries but it’s hard to know what it’s doing/what’s going on and after a while it seems the auto-recconect just gives up. So maybe you could give it some thought to create a button to reconnect (and give a little more info on what’s going wrong so that we can try to tweak some things! Becuase as it is it’s impossible to even make a guess.) Or maybe a kong-lite, one where you have the option to just see achievements and all but with an option to completely close the chat (not just mute). Or maybe you could make it so that it stays connected ;)? Could you tell us what protocol it’s using for chat and achievements? Anyways, thanks alot. P.s. Maybe this is not feasible but how about using IRC to update achievements and chat?

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2009-09-16T23:01:24-07:00

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