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Topic: Bloons TD 5 / Watch out!

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

God is the Creator. And first.. you must believe.. and then you can see. Not see, and then you can believe.
Doesn’t work that way.

That’s rather convenient, isn’t it?

Edit: trying to format with an iphone sucks.

So let me have an atheist perspective for a minute. Because I was atheist for awhile, so it makes sense to me.

So let’s say that there is a God. No. Let’s say that I’m God. I’m the Creator of the earth, the ozone layer, the oxygen content on earth, I created you. I created your mom. I know what you look like naked, and I know what your soul looks like. I remember everything you have done, from the first time you have opened your eyes, to reading this message.

Oh.. what’s this you’re doing? You’re trying to see if I’m real? You want me to show my power so that you can believe in me?

Ha.

You are an ant. I don’t bind to your will. What’s that you’re thinking? I can hear it. I know what you’re going to think in 7 seconds. I know what you though 10 years, 7 months, 3 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 26 minutes, 12 seconds ago. Do you know? Of course you don’t. You’re just a human, in this universe that I created that you have NO idea how big it is. Or even close. Your tiny mind will never conceive everything I’ve created. Go ahead. Cling to your science. I made that as well. Did you really think you could disprove me when you discovered the law of gravity? Lol.

You can’t disprove me.

I will never bind to your will. You are so far beneath me. I created every cell in your body. Keep believing in coincidence, because everything happens because of My will. I take every family member you have ever seen, and I can give you more.

I made you. And I love you. But don’t think your actions and don’t have consequences. You see the effects of Me, but you do not know the cause. I do.

You do not question Me. You question yourself. Keep trying to disprove me with science. Guess what? I invented it. You humans are just discovering what I created billions of years ago.

You believe. Have faith, and then you will see Me. This game is My Game. Not yours.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

Yes, there is a God. And He really doesn’t care what you call him (Ra, Yahweh, Allah, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, The Tooth Fairy) as long as you really do believe that He/She is the Almighty. The Omega.

God is the Creator. And first.. you must believe.. and then you can see. Not see, and then you can believe.

Doesn’t work that way.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What happens after death

Why is everyone so concerned with the afterlife.. that we don’t pay attention to this life?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Biblical Literalism

Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:
Originally posted by noso1928:

I also don’t believe in hell, or Satan.

Yeah, except then how do you interpret the Book of Revelations?


The bible says something like: Lucifer (human soul) wanted to rule heaven and earth, and went against God. And the seven deadly sins were created. Well.. Satan is not one person in my belief, but many persons. I have been lazy, gluttonous, angry, jealous, etc etc etc down the line, and I’m sure all other humans have been at one point too. Jesus said we were all sinners. Now what happens to sinners? What’s the punishment?

My belief is.. we go to hell.. kind of.

Interesting perspective. I’ve wondered that myself sometimes. It’s a romantic notion, and one easily accepted, that “what goes around comes around”. I haven’t quite gotten to the point where I’ve reconciled it yet, though—I’m still trying to figure out how some evil people seem to prosper and live well/have pensions, while certain other people who have never really wronged someone in their life suffer and die.

But again, I have seen a lot of examples of people who sin (or misbehave, if you like), get what was coming to them after a period of time. It wasn’t always immediately apparent, and sometimes their misbehaviors hurt others in the process, but in the end the one they hurt worst was themselves.

Well.. Satan is not one person in my belief, but many persons. I have been lazy, gluttonous, angry, jealous, etc etc etc down the line, and I’m sure all other humans have been at one point too.

Fair enough. I feel like I’ve met him, a couple times. >:-(

That’s where we get in trouble. Judging. We can’t judge others, and we can’t even judge ourselves. God is the judge. You do not decide whether an action is evil or not. God does.

Let’s say you and I go to a baseball game.

My experience: “Oh I loved the game, I caught the homerun ball”.
Your experience: “It sucked, the floor was sticky, some guy spilled beer all over me, and I’m sweaty”.

Our experiences were vastly different. Yet.. we were sitting right next to eachother. You don’t know what other people perceive through their eyes. And neither do I. I can only hypothesize what someone experienced. Which in my opinion is a waste of time.. because I can’t read minds, and I’ll never see through your eyes.

Going to Hell: God vastly loves us, and he said he forgave all our sins, why would He send us to eternal fire and damnation if He loved us? He wouldn’t. But He will teach us lessons on earth.

About Satan: He’s not a real person. He exists only a story. The story was illustrating how men/women go against God in their heads.

That’s my belief.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Biblical Literalism

Everyone has a different intrepertation of the bible, and it’s not the job of any human/religion to say that they can’t believe a certain way. Why do we have so many different denominations of Christianity? Every person has a unique belief set, and who’s to say one person is wrong, and one person is right? No one. Believe whatever the fuck you want, it’s your life. No one should tell you what you can/can’t believe.

I believe:

Ra = Jesus Christ = God = Juno = Jupiter = Mars = Yahweh = Allah = The Holy Spirit

All the same God. Just different names. God = God and Human = Human

Mike = Steve = Jennifer = Courtney = Bill = Noso = Ted

There’s 4 different kinds of people:

Atheist: 100% Sure there is no God.
Agnostic: .01% – 99.9% sure there is a God.
Religous: 100% sure there is a God. Conform to a particular teaching about God.
Spiritual: 100% sure there is a God. Conform to no religious teaching about God. Takes bits & pieces they like from each religion.

I’m spiritual. And I read the bible differently than Christians. Just as Jantonaitis does.

I don’t believe in: “Being gay is an abomination”.. because Jesus said: “Love your neighbor”.

He didn’t say “Love your neighbors.. except the ones that happen to be homosexual”.

I also don’t believe in hell, or Satan. I think those are fear tactics used by the Christian Church (during the Crusade days) to scare people into conforming to Christianity. I’m not going to follow a religion because I’m scared. And I never will.

I think the story of Satan was not.. so literal.

I think there are two types of souls (spirits) in this world. God, and humans. I don’t believe in angels (I think it was confused humans that mistaked God as an angel), or demons, or Satan.

The bible says something like: Lucifer (human soul) wanted to rule heaven and earth, and went against God. And the seven deadly sins were created. Well.. Satan is not one person in my belief, but many persons. I have been lazy, gluttonous, angry, jealous, etc etc etc down the line, and I’m sure all other humans have been at one point too. Jesus said we were all sinners. Now what happens to sinners? What’s the punishment?

My belief is.. we go to hell.. kind of.

I think hell exists here on earth, and we all have experienced our own personal hell. I don’t think anyone dies to go to hell. Life just becomes very painful, and unpleasant. Now there are variations of hell I guess.. since I have had bad times.. then I have had BAD times.

I also believe in bad karma. You treat someone like shit, then someone else is going to treat you like shit down the line.

I think heaven exists on earth too. Same concept.

When we die, I think we go to the spiritual realm. (Coincides with earth)

I think God gives us a choice of being reincarnated, or we can hang out in the spiritual realm for as long as we like (ghosts).

I believe in a lot, but I don’t think God wanted us to fear him, or to count on our hands how many “rules” we break.

Like.. I’m not going to be in trouble if I go 15mph over the speed limit, I will with the government, but not with God. Now if I go slug someone in the face, I’ll have some bad karma coming my way. etc etc

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Poor Choice for Kongregate Advertisements?

You’ve seen that ad, of the scantily dressed cartoon woman on the FRONT page of Kongregate. Is this something that Kong wants on their front page for thousands of young people playing their free games?

If one of these persons mother’s walks in the room, how likely do you think that they will not be allowed back on Kongregate.com?

Just my 2 cents. I don’t think it’s a very wise business choice.

 
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Topic: Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM / User Support

Truly sad to see such a quality game, be ruined with taxes of energy, and money grubbing for 3 different types of currencies. I loved the original Yu-gi-oh card game, but tell me developers.. Why would I pay more for a shortened version of the game? This is ridiculous, I could buy a Jinzo off of e-bay for less than what it costs in game. Not .01 of my money is going towards this game.

Good game. Greedy developers, and you know deep down that it will be your demise.. soon.

I have NEVER seen a game try to grab as much money from the player as this game has.. and I have played hundreds of buy-to-win-fast games.

Don’t let your wishful thinking deceive your lust for riches gentlemen.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by noso1928:

No its not the same logic. Im using historical text, versus your fictional text.

Wait, when did the Bible become historical text?

Tenco, do you have anything to contribute? Or are you just here to say “Wat?” after everyone’s sentence on the opposing side? Seems like you have nothing relevant to bring to the conversation besides the semantics of the conversation itself.

Now, let me amuse you. Lets say the bible is false.

Because you can have only one extreme.

First you say the Bible is not 100% false, then you say it’s a fictional book. Make your mind up.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Was it a cult?

Well at first Christianity was kinda surpressed. I think. Historys a little confusing when you put in the growth of a religion.

Why did it have such a following? What was/is the motivation for this massive following? Or was it a different motive?

s really hard to try and argue with someone when it doesnt seem like they fully understand what they’re talking about is it?

And yes, Im purposefully making ambiguous whether or not Im referring to me or to you.

Do you understand it? You just quoted me saying how I didn’t understand it, then you went ahead and put the line right above that, that you didn’t understand it.

But anyway, the problem here is that Obama, unlike Jesus, does have very hard evidence for existing, and it would be safe to assume (as safe as it is to assume anything about the far future, that is) that people far into the future will still be able to find and use the same hard evidence we use to prove a persons existence.

Define hard evidence. Is the bible not hard evidence? You said 100% false was an extreme, so I assume you believe in parts of the bible. Which parts of the bible? Why those parts?

People in the future will know of Obamas existence because there is reliable video and photographic evidence, as well as the laws that he made in his reign of being president. We can look back on these documentations and use this as evidence as proof of Obamas existence.

Photoshop. Fake videos. How do we know it’s real?

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Because we have video evidence, we have the laws he passed, documented evidence. If all of this is lost, and our civilisation no-longer exists then yes it is fair to question if the guy ever existed.

Same thing. How can we determine whether or not the video evidence is real. Just like we “can’t” determine whether or not the Bible is real. Or what is says is real rather.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by noso1928:

Obama is the president. Correct? In 4013, people will begin to question his existence. Did this man really exist? Everyone is dead that saw him. How do we know he ever existed?

Because we have video evidence, we have the laws he passed, documented evidence. If all of this is lost, and our civilisation no-longer exists then yes it is fair to question if the guy ever existed.

What do we know today? What is tangible? What can we see? Well, we know the bible is tangible. We can go to a bookstore, pick it up, and read it.

If we are using the same evidence, then the dragons of Pern really exist. We can pick the books up, we can smell them, we can feel the pages. Surely this is concrete proof that the planet of Pern, its human and dragon inhabitants, is out there in the cosmos, and has ties to our own people. By the same token Tolkien’s elves are real. We know because we can pick one of his books up, smell the pages, feel how real they are, and know the elves are real, as are the orcs. That whole middle earth really tangibly exists somewhere, complete in every detail.

Same logic you’re using.

No it’s not the same logic. I’m using historical text, versus your fictional text. The authors even claimed they were fictional.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Worship of a given company’s products is one example of secular worshipping yes, but its not what I was referring to in that quoted paragraph. That was more the near-future concept of a sentient internet of things, and general self-aware networked computation. Artificial minds many thousands of times the power of a human mind today, or many human minds joined together via technology into a single, far greater consciousness with many bodies.

That type of thing.

I know :) I was just poking fun at Apple.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by noso1928:

Well, we know God exists.

We do?

Look at the bible, one of the most well documented pieces of fact. Ridiculed and critiqued by millions, yet not one hole punched through it.

Are you being serious right now, because it’s kinda hard to tell.

Now a lot of this is “faith”, or is it?

Okay, yeah, you’re acting like you’re serious. Crap.

How many of tens of thousands of people saw Jesus?

WHo are all dead and we don’t actually have a whole lot of evidence of what existed or didn’t.

How many tens of thousands saw His miracles?

Well the only thing that seems to document that is the Bible, and it can’t be used as actual factual evidence. Not alone, at least.

It is up to you whether or not he is the Messiah, but nonetheless, these events did transpire.

Because the Bible said so, and because it said so it must be real, and because it’s real the Bible must be true, and because the Bible is true it must have happened.

You see the circular logic I’m getting at?

Can you look at the bible with a scientific mind? Rather than looking at it as a person who does not wish to comply with what it says?

Putting it in a scientific mind is exactly why people do not wish to comply with what it says. Well, that and different religious beliefs.

I am now putting your sencerity back into question.

I’ll give you this. Whether or not you “believe” the bible is fact or fiction, the bible has some very though provoking commandments.

So I assume that this doesn’t correlate to your previous paragraph?

One way to look at it (among many), is that it is not easy to follow the commandments it has lined out for us. And how to live our lives. A lot of us don’t want to be told how to live our lives, and I’ll be the first to admit, that I am one of them. I’d rather much live the life according to my wants, rather than someone else.

Okay, now I’m confused, if you believe that the Bible is pure fact (you seem to have said you believe that) why are you trying to defy something that could send you to Hell?

At the most basic and superficial level, the bible says “Do this or burn and suffer for all of eternity”. That’s pretty scary for some, and I imagine some have said, “If I just say it doesn’t exist, there is no fire, than I have nothing to fear”. Possibly for some atheist, this is the reason they choose to not “believe”. For others, it’s different.

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Okay, Imma take this as separate from the first three paragraphs and not actually argue against it.



Who’s to say it isn’t?


Vestigial structures, for one.

Obama is the president. Correct? In 4013, people will begin to question his existence. Did this man really exist? Everyone is dead that saw him. How do we know he ever existed?

Well, simply put, it isn’t 4013. It’s 2013, and we do know that Obama exists. Now you probably like what’s tangible. I’m just assuming. But I’m guessing I’m pretty close to accurate.

What do we know today? What is tangible? What can we see? Well, we know the bible is tangible. We can go to a bookstore, pick it up, and read it.

Now, let me amuse you. Let’s say the bible is false. All of it is garbage, made up, no one ever existed that was written about in that book. What is the motivation? Why would someone make this document up? Was it a cult? Why did it have such a following? What was/is the motivation for this massive following? Or was it a different motive?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Then you are forced to acknowledge that as our technology advances, we will wind up creating gods that are, well, gods as defined by their sheer capabilities. Very real, very tangible, and part of our society, but gods all the same. You will doubtless get some worshipping them, no matter what you do.

cough Apple cough

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

Well, we know God exists. Obviously. More specifically, Christianity.

Look at the bible, one of the most well documented pieces of fact. Ridiculed and critiqued by millions, yet not one hole punched through it. Now a lot of this is “faith”, or is it? How many of tens of thousands of people saw Jesus? How many tens of thousands saw His miracles? It is up to you whether or not he is the Messiah, but nonetheless, these events did transpire.

Can you look at the bible with a scientific mind? Rather than looking at it as a person who does not wish to comply with what it says?

I’ll give you this. Whether or not you “believe” the bible is fact or fiction, the bible has some very though provoking commandments. One way to look at it (among many), is that it is not easy to follow the commandments it has lined out for us. And how to live our lives. A lot of us don’t want to be told how to live our lives, and I’ll be the first to admit, that I am one of them. I’d rather much live the life according to my wants, rather than someone else.

At the most basic and superficial level, the bible says “Do this or burn and suffer for all of eternity”. That’s pretty scary for some, and I imagine some have said, “If I just say it doesn’t exist, there is no fire, than I have nothing to fear”. Possibly for some atheist, this is the reason they choose to not “believe”. For others, it’s different.

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:
Originally posted by MaTTyTL:

1. Lets start with a simple fact. The enitre universe is an extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY complex place and that everything works so perfectly together.

Complex yes, perfect nope. Already failed at establishing a so called simple fact as basis.

Who’s to say it isn’t? The definition of perfect varies from each man. If I asked you both to mow the same lawn perfectly, they would look different. Wouldn’t they?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Suicide

Originally posted by dd790:
Originally posted by noso1928:

Suicide should not be allowed. Just because one believes they are worthless, or dumb, or unattractive, or whatever reason they conjured up to believe them to the reason to kill themselves, does not mean it is true.

No one is a “jerk” or an “asshole”. We are all just people with the capacity to be a jerk or asshole. I wouldn’t take everything to heart.

What if the reason that has been ‘conjured up’ is that someone is in chronic and incurable pain, or faces a decline into a rehabilitating humiliating state.

Teenagers that get bullied are not the only people who consider suicide. The reasons you suggested are, as you say, temporary and not very good reasons for taking ones life, however they are not the only reasons and some reasons are much more understandable and reasonable

Very true, there are many reasons to take your own life. All of which are stupid. I just gave an example. Wanting to commit suicide is a mental disorder, and there is counseling for mental disorders.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Sexting That Big of a Deal?

Originally posted by TheAznSensation:
Do they really listen though?

Well, for a lot of people, not really.
But there has been statistical proof that educational programs somewhat benefit decision making.

I agree. I don’t want to paint everyone with the same stroke. People are free to make their own decisions. There are potential dangers for minors (as well as adults) of texting their junk to supposed strangers. I mean.. look at Brett Farve. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to decide. I think sexting is generally looked down upon by society, and is against social norms. But, if someone wants to partake in this risky behavior, nothing should be stopping them from doing so. People should however, be aware of the risks, they are in fact, taking, by sexting.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Sexting That Big of a Deal?

Originally posted by TheAznSensation:
If people want to text eachother, pictures of their junk, they should be allowed to.

They seem to be blissfully unaware of the possible consequences, however.
Which means “Should we inform them?” or “Should we prevent it?”

We can make the information readily available, and inform minors (Do they really listen though?). But other than that, I don’t see the problem.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Kill everything.

“Let me look at a few instances, then I’ll take that same paintbrush, and use it for all of humanity.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Sexting That Big of a Deal?

In it’s most general sense, no, sexting is not wrong. If people want to text eachother, pictures of their junk, they should be allowed to.

But as vikaTae said, there is a muddiness to the water of predators.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Suicide

Suicide should not be allowed. Just because one believes they are worthless, or dumb, or unattractive, or whatever reason they conjured up to believe them to the reason to kill themselves, does not mean it is true.

No one is a “jerk” or an “asshole”. We are all just people with the capacity to be a jerk or asshole. I wouldn’t take everything to heart.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Abortion

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:
Originally posted by noso1928:
Originally posted by Nelfie:

If she want to get an abortion then she should get one. It’s her body, her choice.

Wrong. You don’t have the right to murder anything just because you were irresponsible, something bad happened to you, easy convenience, etc.

It does not even know it exists yet if done early enough. What, exactly, is the issue?

A few issues.

Murder is wrong.
Just because something/someone cannot realize that they exist, does not mean you have the right to murder it.

Is a mentally retarded person capable of whether they exist? Probably not. It still does not give us the right to kill them.

Is that a sincere question? “What’s the issue”? This has been a topic of incredible debate, ever since it was legalized.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Abortion

Originally posted by Nelfie:

If she want to get an abortion then she should get one. It’s her body, her choice.

Wrong. You don’t have the right to murder anything just because you were irresponsible, something bad happened to you, easy convenience, etc.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are you Atheist?

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