Recent posts by ne0pets22 on Kongregate

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Topic: General Gaming / Sirlin is still making games!

He’s doing board games now, although he’s ported most of them to unity:

http://www.fantasystrike.com/game/index.php

When I brought up spreading the word with him, he said that he’s gonna bring his newer games to kongregate as well! They’re really good. I prefer Puzzle Strike myself, although Yomi is pretty nice too. They all use the same roster of characters, but it’s a different roster to Kongai.

 
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Topic: General Gaming / Cod isn't stupid, stop saying it is

It’s a better multiplayer game than pretty much every other modern-era fps out there. The campaign is horrendously and arbitrarily linear and sprinkled with set pieces, which look nice but mostly consist of pressing E on an objective to watch pretty explosions. There’s also the half-a-million games that look almost identical to cod, and the fact that new installments of cod don’t actually push gameplay much further than adding a few new guns over the last one.

Still better than a lot of the competition with it’s multiplayer mode. Not so much the micheal-bay esque campaign.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

Originally posted by racefan12:

I already addressed that—unless you’re seeing a different front page than I am, MMOs aren’t being shoved in your face.

Hum, it seems to be in a better state than it was when I first started campaigning against them. Here’s hoping this is a sign of improvement and recognition coughzyngastockscough that MMOs aren’t actually that strong of a revenue stream.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Adblock isn’t the way to solve it. Less intrusive advertising, and a better system of microtransactions is needed, akin to the shop in League of Legends. Nothing you can buy gives you an advantage that people who don’t pay money can’t get with a reasonable amount of effort, and the game is a system that can stand up for itself without a skinner-box feedback loop to power it. Kongai could have done that, but the crazy lag and clunkiness of the interface made it so much of a hassle that only the really hardcore competitive gamers stuck with it for the long haul. That, and they never actually plugged a revenue stream into the game.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

Originally posted by racefan12:

Long story short: If you don’t want to play MMOs, don’t play them. There’s a wealth of other games on the site.

Originally posted by ne0pets22:
Originally posted by racefan12:

1. At some point in time Kong had more new and interesting games than AG. It was long, long time ago, before both sites were flooded with MMO shit.

You act like the existence of MMOs is suddenly causing other games to be removed, like there’s some sort of limit to the number of games that can be on the site.

There isn’t. New, interesting, good non-MMO games are still coming out at the same rate as they always have. The fact that MMOs exist and get promoted heavily doesn’t change that.

They do displace the other games though. Most flash game sites actually have very similar rosters of games available. Kongregate’s original selling point was quality on the front page, as easy to access as they could make it. The black box and badges were supposed to be part of this goal, marking out the very best games, as determined by the staff. MMOs exist on every game site, and they’re just as bad on every game site, but Kongregate used to be the site that wouldn’t shove them in our faces.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

Originally posted by racefan12:

1. At some point in time Kong had more new and interesting games than AG. It was long, long time ago, before both sites were flooded with MMO shit.

You act like the existence of MMOs is suddenly causing other games to be removed, like there’s some sort of limit to the number of games that can be on the site.

There isn’t. New, interesting, good non-MMO games are still coming out at the same rate as they always have. The fact that MMOs exist and get promoted heavily doesn’t change that.

They do displace the other games though. Most flash game sites actually have very similar rosters of games available. Kongregate’s original selling point was quality on the front page, as easy to access as they could make it. The black box and badges were supposed to be part of this goal, marking out the very best games, as determined by the staff. MMOs exist on every game site, and they’re just as bad on every game site, but Kongregate used to be the site that wouldn’t shove them in our faces.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Originally posted by Pykrete:

I was gonna say they don’t like giving a buck but they’re quite happy to take them from MMO devs…

Or the advertisers. Don’t you love these great loud adverts before every game?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Originally posted by bjjdude:
Originally posted by Anubis579:

Hear hear! I agree with this petition. They are a nuisance!

>implying kong gives a buck

Sadly, they probably don’t. No response, like usual. No response from the Kong staff, it’s like they don’t even care.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

Originally posted by racefan12:

If a new flash game site cropped up with the same minimalist ideal that kongregate used to have, I would gladly jump ship in a heartbeat.

And then you’d stay there for a few years until that site either evolves as Kongregate has, or disappears entirely.

The old Kongregate isn’t coming back. It can’t come back, because that type of site can’t survive.

Can’t? The old Kong survived beautifully for a good few years until it got bought out by Gamestop. It can and has worked, and the mentality that you you can’t improve is the reason why sites like Newgrounds and Armorgames have been stuck the way they are, and why Kongregate is rapidly falling to their level.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

I raise my glass to that.

I didn’t mean that as a compliment to Kongregate. I meant that as a mark of shame to two sites that should really know better. If a new flash game site cropped up with the same minimalist ideal that kongregate used to have, I would gladly jump ship in a heartbeat.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Originally posted by racefan12:
Originally posted by Ruudiluca:

Dream World is driving me crazy…
I still need to kill another 500 monsters for the hard badge, and I only have 44 energy. Waiting for recharges is a pain.

Dream World is 2-3 times easier/shorter now than it was when it first got badges.

It was 100% better than awful! Now it’s only really bad!

That doesn’t justify the grind. It’s still terrible, even with all the new updates.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

inb4 maistlinRajere or Bobby start chucking around personal insults again.

I strongly doubt this is gonna get traction though. Kongregate’s come a long way from the early days when Greg would ask the community for badge ideas and images. Gamestop would probably shoot this down if anyone even dared bring it up to them.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Why I choose Kongregate.

I came and stayed for the black box on the front page that would always feature fun and high quality games. There was also the chat rooms, and Kongai, and the badges that usually marked out all the good games for me.

Nowadays, Kongregate’s lowering their standards considerably by spamming the sacred black box with sweepstakes and MMOs. The chat is nigh always dead now too. Hooray for quality. There’s trying to earn money, then there’s screwing up a good site to try and earn money. The only reason I haven’t left is because Newgrounds and armorgames are still worse.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Also, arbitrarily badging awful boring and buggy MMOs like clash of ninjas really doesn’t make me like Kongregate any more. I came here from newgrounds four years ago because of the curated badges and great community. The community around MMOs tend to be quite frankly quite awful mixes of 12 year olds and the socially inept, and the badges point towards the MMOs. Why.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Originally posted by 123aaa789:

DotD really isn’t difficult at all. It took me a week between getting the easy and medium back when those were released (didn’t touch any raids back then, so I had no progress towards the hard badge), and stopped at level 30, and then in the past 6 days I’ve gotten over half way through the necessary raid damage, and I really haven’t been doing much these past few days, so it’s really a two-week hard badge if played properly (like essentially every multiplayer game out there with a hard badge).


I have no problem with these kinds of games getting badges, since they’re some of the easiest hard badges out there. They require zero skill, and just a little bit of patience, so it helps to balance the load between having quicker, skill badges badges that can be played while waiting for energy to reload in these ones.

The problem isn’t that they’re easy. The problem is that they’re BORING. They’re boring, grindy badges that waste your time that you could have spent discovering another GOOD game. I used to be able to rely on badges to guide me to games that I would enjoy. Now I have to be wary to stumbling into a grindfest behind a badge, because nigh every crappy MMO gets a badge nowadays.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

But the Kong puts badges on bad mmos like clash of ninjas. There is literally no agency, meaningful gameplay or interaction to be had from that skinner box. And they don’t stop badging bad MMOs. Kong needs to stop giving MMOs preferential treatment; right now, any MMO with a pay-to-play system gets badged because it’s profitable to do so. MMOs as a category get such a high proportion of their games badged it’s ridiculous.

Also, to MaistlinRajere and Bobby; getting outraged and flippant doesn’t make you right. Just because you’ve seen this before doesn’t make you right. Kongregate needs to make money, but they don’t need to make money in a way that pisses off this much of the userbase. There is such a thing as making money from selling a good product. Bloons TD is probably the only example of this that I can see on Kongregate right now; the Kongregate premium games could have been this too if the rollout had been a tad faster.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by bobby71983:

No thanks Marv. This thread is appropriate for MMO lovers, haters, and anyone indifferent to it(that means everyone, by the way). Or are you scared of a contrary opinion?

Yes, this thread should die. We have all long since brought anything new to this discussion. We are all just repeating yourselves now. Like any thread, when there is nothing left to talk about, it should be locked.

This thread shouldn’t die. It has not fulfilled it’s purpose yet, bad games are still getting achievements and front-page space solely because they are MMOs. Until this issue is put to rest entirely through either a compromise or those of us who don’t appreciate having sub-par games repeatedly advertised to us leaving kongregate, locking this thread is shutting down a conversation that needs to happen.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

While we’re talking about bad cash grabbers that get badges undeservedly, this website’s turning to gambling games now? I swear, kongregate is sinking lower and lower as time goes on.

And before anyone says anything about “you don’t have to play it” or whatever, Kong put them on the front page. They chose to put them on the front page.

And on top of that, there’s anti idle and ninja warz on the front page as well. At least anti-idle tries to make fun of it’s use of repetitive feedback loops, even if it does nothing to alleviate the problem.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Ok, seriously, what? Ninja wars on the front page? How come games like sonny didn’t get this treatment? How come bad games have infinite license for revival so long as they’re MMOs?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

What’s even worse is when actual games get dumped on because they have the multiplayer tag, because of the negative halo effect that the bad MMOs have on the genre in general. Remember platform racing? If it were released today, the multiplayer tag would have killed it before it even picked up half the players it has today.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

It will not make a difference.

I think the 1/5 haters are just significantly outmatched by the 5/5 fans. You might knock a rating down .1 or .2 at best, and it still get badged.

And then there’s the matter of the mysterious disappearing ratings on Miscrits.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate players need to learn what Pay-To-Win means

Not every game in a genre is bad. Among all the mindless samey tower defense games, there’s gemcraft and protecter. Among all the brown first person shooters big game producers are churning out is Halo 4, Serious Sam and Spec Ops: The Line. It’s possible to make a good game in the awful MMO genre, and Clout’s done it. You don’t judge a game by it’s genre, you judge it on it’s own merits.

Given that, I’m still not going to try out any of the new MMOs that come to this site for much the same reason why I don’t try out first person shooters. There is no variety, and they are almost uniformly bad. I get more enjoyment out of my time from checking out new platformers or strategy games because the garbage-to-value ratio is so much higher. Kongregate doesn’t help this issue by regularly badging and promoting awful MMOs and clogging up the recommended games section with them.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by DoomKnight1905:

ffs, mmos arent killing kongregate. they are indeed bringing more people into kongregate.

What kind of people? The 12 year olds who are entertained by that tripe? I came to kong for the community and the quality games. Not to have bad MMOs shoved in my face on the front page. Also, how are they bringing people into kongregate? Some poor sucker is actually looking for an MMO to kill his time and money?

Originally posted by markwinfield1:

Too many MMO’s, but variety is good!

Except there’s no variety. There’s only masses upon masses of cash-grabbing clones that try to suck your money out of your pockets every step that you take. Saying variety is good does not necessarily make it true.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate players need to learn what Pay-To-Win means

I really wouldn’t call it a cash grab. There are so many safety valves to stop the player from playing too long or spending massive amounts of money that you really can’t say it’s just a bid for your wallet. The cash-grabbing games will try to compel players to come back every day with non-gameplay features like daily chests. Energy refills can be bought with in-game money, which is already a massive improvement over the cash-grabbers. Usually, the option to keep playing would be for-pay only, purchasable only with a second tier of currency that you pay real money for – in Clout, they’re actually quite cheap. They actually behave like game mechanics too, with drawbacks to make using them an interesting risk. And throughout the game, I only see one button to pay real cash, and that one is metered per month. What kind of insane money grubber would want to limit the amount of money they can eke off you?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / MMOs Are Ruining Kongregate...

Originally posted by adv0catus:

Blame the fanbase of those games that blindly rate 5/5, not raw or greg, it’s not their fault.

Greg and Raw have to put in a conscious effort to make a badge. If they didn’t play through the game to make sure it was a good badge, they shouldn’t have made the badge at all. If they did play through the game and all there was to it was a skinner box, and they still gave it a badge, it’s kinda on them.