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Uber, you can’t acclaim that the universe was made by your imaginary friend, because back a while stupid christians like you thought that there’s nothing behind the sky, AND THE EARTH IS FLAT
Many reputable Christian scholars (earliest recordings being 500 AD) argued the Earth was spherical – after about the 8th century it was taken as fact that the Earth was a sphere, Christianity never contested that.
What you’re thinking of is the geocentric model – that the Earth is at the centre of the universe – which sparked the Galileo affair (where he was accused of/arrested for heresy for claiming the Earth orbited the Sun).
Some of the first scientists to disprove the geocentric model (which did not originate with any of the Abrahamic religions) were Muslim.
In addition to that, nowhere in the Bible does it say that Earth is the centre of the universe. The Qu’ran itself makes reference to multiple “worlds”. The shape of the Earth is not theologically significant, it is described as flat, circular, domed, a ‘canopy’, divided into quadrants etc. at various points in the Bible.
More importantly, at the time of the writing of the Old Testament (scholarly dates put it at about 5th-6th century BCE) basic observations would have easily justified ‘flat earth’ and geocentric theory.
Are you that dumb? Do you understand that in the dark ages of christianity the human knowledge became low dramatically, and your fucking religion think that knowledge is a sin?
The dark ages didn’t really have anything to do with Christianity ‘suppressing’ human knowledge.
First of all, most Medieval scholars prefer not to use the term ‘dark ages’ because it misrepresents that era of Medieval history. The reason the term ‘dark’ was applied was because Western European society was thrown into crisis as a result of the collapse of the Roman Empire. In addition to that, there are relatively few historical sources from that time (early Middle Ages) as a result of societal collapse.
That does not mean civilisation ended or scientific knowledge stopped – it means most of that knowledge was just forgotten because it was unaccounted for.
Most of the knowledge of the Dark Ages we have is the result of Christian scholarly writing – so you can thank them for that.
Also, you ignore the Islamic Golden Age which gave birth to huge developments in mathematics, medicine, astronomy, philosophy, economics etc. which heavily influenced the West. There are many scholarly/historical works which attribute the origins of the renaissance (and scientific revolution) in the West to the Islamic Golden Age (John Freely has two well written books on it, Jonathan Lyons has another – all worth reading).
Knowledge is a virtue in Christianity, it is praised throughout the Bible. Wisdom, one of the four cardinal virtues, is knowing how to use that knowledge.
And what about other religions, you moron? Every bastard from every religion thinks that he had been born in the right religion, or the true religion! So do you! But in fact, all of you are the same stupid shit with idiot imaginary friends and stupid arguments.
And how many scientific theories were there until we decided on the ‘right’ one?
Skim through “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” by Thomas Kuhn – his whole theory is that science is explained through “paradigm shifts” which are basically a complete revolution in worldview. Throughout history, the way we approach a scientific problem is totally revolutionised: we used to think of disease in terms of “miasma” (bad air/pollution – basically suggested all disease was airborne), but now we think of it in terms of germ theory.
But back when “miasma” was the standard scientific theory, everyone thought it was ‘right’. We used to think light traveled in waves, then in particles, and now we’ve settled on something in between.
Just because religions existed before Abrahamic tradition doesn’t mean Abrahamic tradition is wrong – just like preceding scientific theories don’t delegitimise all modern science.
Every time we were arguing about the religion and shit, I asked you every time about aliens. You never answered me. Answer now, moron! What are aliens for you? What does the bible says about aliens? How it’s possible to be aliens there while your imaginary friend never said something about them?
“[All] praise is [due] to Allah , Lord of the worlds -” – Surah 1:2
“World” plural; suggests more than one world.
“And of his signs is the creation of the heavens and earth and what He has dispersed throughout them of creatures” – Surah 42:29
If we assume “heavens” refers to everything beyond Earth, I guess it could be argued that God dispersed creatures (including intelligent life) beyond Earth too.
“It is Allah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof” – Surah 65:12
Suggests that there are at least 7 planets “like” Earth.
If you really wanted to draw it out, there is enough in the Qu’ran (and by extension, Abrahamic religions in general) to argue that life exists beyond our own.
But your argument would only make sense if aliens existed. So far, we’ve got no idea. Without empirical evidence we can’t say for certain. All you’re going by is the science of scale – that there’s so much out there that there HAS to be some kind of intelligent life. But until we find proof, it’s just as likely that we’re alone.
If you include life in general, like bacterial life – then the lines from the Qu’ran still apply.
“No tiny particle’s weight is hidden from the Lord on earth nor in heaven, not any thing smallest nor largest” Surah 10:61
There are a number of times where “tiny particle” is mentioned in the Qu’ran – some Muslim scholars have interpreted it to mean microscopic life. Once again, reference is made to “heaven” – and if we rely on the assumption that heaven refers to everything beyond Earth (including the “worlds” mentioned in the second line of the Holy Book), you have your answer there.
TL;DR – There are answers to all of your questions written above, if you choose not to read it you’re choosing ignorance over knowledge – even if that knowledge is something you don’t respect. Any form of ignorance is a weakness, and you do yourself a disservice by embracing that ignorance.
“A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.”